EP 432: How do we prepare our children for an AI world?

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Almost every single day on this very show, we talk about what you should be doing to grow your company and your career in the ever changing world of generative AI. Yet that's not where AI's impact ends. AI is not a 9 to 5 thing. It's probably impacting your home, your kids, how they're learning, and maybe how they're not learning. So every now and then, I think it's important for us on this show to zoom out a little bit and take a step back and look at a little bit more holistic view of how generative AI is probably impacting us all. And today we're going to be talking about how we can prepare our children for an AI world. Right? Think of how much time you probably spend, you know, preparing yourself and your career, your department, your team. How much time do you spend thinking about maybe your kids, how the future is going to work for them, their employability, right in 5, 10, 15 years, their school, how they're learning. Should they be learning the same way? 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All right, but before we get started on today's conversation, which I'm extremely excited to talk about, how we prepare our kids for an AI world. Let's first go over the AI news for today. So first, Russia and China are reportedly collaborating on an AI development amid global competition. So Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered the Russian government and spearbank the country's largest state owned bank to work with China on AI technology, highlighting the importance of their partnership in technological research and development. So the collaboration comes at a time when both countries aim to enhance their military capabilities, particularly in AI powered weapons, which could impact ongoing conflicts such as the war in Ukraine. China is recognized as a leading global power in AI raking, second in the global AI index, while the US holds the top position. Russia, however, ranks 31st out of 83 countries, indicating a significant gap in AI innovation. So the collaboration between Russia and China may lead to the development of fully autonomous AI powered weapons, raising concerns about the future of warfare and ethical implications of such technologies. Yeah, not fun news to hear, right? But that's the reality. Been talking about that for a long time. AI is being used everywhere. All right, so next piece of AI news Editors at Els Elsevier's Hopefully I got that right. Elsevier's Journal of Human Research have resigned in mass over AI concerns in publishing practices. So the editorial board of Elsevier's Journal of Human Evolution Solution has resigned in mash, reflecting deep seated frustration with the publishing giants practices, particularly regarding the use of AI. So the mass resignation highlights a critical moment for academic publishing and its implication for researchers. So editors resigned with quote, unquote heartfelt sadness and great regret, signaling their commitment to maintaining the integrity of their journal in the face of troubling changes imposed by Elsevier. So this incident marks the 20th mass resignation from a scientific journal since 2023, underscoring a growing movement among academics against evolving business models in scholarly publishing, which generally involves a lot of large language models and generative AI. All right, our last piece of news for the day. Nvidia has invested now more than $1 billion in AI startups amid regulatory scrutiny. So Nvidia's significant investment in AI startup startups highlights the company's expanding influence in the tech industry and also raises concerns about market power. So this is just a recap of their investments for the year. But in 2024, Nvidia ramped up its startup investments to $1 billion across 50 funding rounds, a notable increase from only 872 million in the previous year. So the semiconductor giant that is literally powering the AI movement is primarily focusing on core AI companies that require substantial computing power, many of which are already Nvidia customers. So notable Investments include Elon Musk's XAI and major players like OpenAI, Cohere, Mistral, and Perplexity. Nvidia also made its largest acquisition spree in years, purchasing more companies in 2024 than the last few four years combined, including Israeli AI workload management platform Run AI for hundreds of millions of dollars. So meanwhile, major tech companies such as Microsoft, Amazon and Google are developing their own custom chips to lessen their market reliance on Nvidia. So no new news. If you've been tuning into this show, there's actually one of my AI predictions of last year saying that Nvidia was actually just going to become a huge VC firm. And there you go. They did more work in 2024 than the four previous years combined. Just like I told y' all was going to happen, right? All right, so enough chit chat. If you want more of the AI news, you can always tune in to our newsletter. But I'm excited to talk today and to bring on our guests and how we can prepare children for an AI world. So please help me. Welcome to the show. We have Dan Fitzpatrick, the founder and co director at the AI educator and author of the book Infinite Education. Dan, thank you so much for joining the everyday AI show.

Jordan, it's great to be with you. I, I watch your podcast from time to time, so it's great to be with you today.

Oh yeah, this is an exciting one. And hey, live stream audience, you probably all have kids at home, right? How much time do you think about this? So, you know, thanks for our live stream audience for joining us. If you do have questions, you know, Michael, Ernesto, Harvey, Christopher, whoever, Jennifer, get them in now. But, uh, first, before we get started and talk about this topic, Dan, can you tell everyone a little bit about your background?

Yeah, of course. I'm, I'm, I'm from England, as you can probably tell from my accent, from the northeast of England, a place called Newcastle. I'm a trained high school teacher. So I was a high school teacher for a number of years, moved into high school leadership and then moved over into college leadership, looking after digital and innovation strategy. I then moved out of there, started my own business to work with schools around the world. Colleges around the world on integrating artificial intelligence and looking at what I call non linear innovation. So not just making what we already do better, but actually how do we recreate education for these crazy times we're in, I guess. And I get to write books on it. I write for Forbes and kind of living, living the dream, really doing what I love doing.

Yeah, no, I love it. And you know, Dan, maybe can you tell us a little bit, how did you transition from, you know, the classroom, right, being an educator to now educating those in the classroom around AI? How did that Come about.

Absolutely. I think it was when I was trained to be a teacher, I even back then I started thinking, we can do this better, surely. We can, we can. It felt like very much like how school was when I was at school and we were, we were a few years later, nothing had really changed. So. Yeah, so me, a few guys who, who I worked with, other fellow teachers, we kind of got this passion for, for looking at the future of education. We started a podc, started working with companies like Google and really trying to drive change from the, from the grassroots of education really. And that kind of, it's been a passion of, of everything I've done. Yeah. Since I, since I started being a teacher and, and it just felt, it got to a point where it felt like a natural transition to, then to step outside of the school building and, and be able to travel around and help. Help many schools and many teachers.

So, you know, what are the, what would you say are the biggest problems we face right when we talk about the next generation? Whether we're talking about, you know, college students or, you know, middle school kids. What are some of the problems that you think that we're facing when it comes to. Right. Our, our children growing up and, and going out into the workforce and, you know, being prepared, you know, in the world? What are the biggest problems that you'd say that we're facing right now?

Yeah, I mean, I think top, top of my mind at the minute. There's two, I think there's two main problems. I think the first problem is our, our children, the students or the next generation who are going to be coming into our, our businesses not having the, the skills to be able to, to, to make a change, to make a difference and to, and to really create the future. And secondly, I think we, we're in a position now where education could really split off between kind of traditional mainstream education and a lot of innovative projects that are going on at the minute. So we're finding, powered by artificial intelligence, in many cases, new forms of education starting to, starting to appear and develop at a really fast pace. So what worries me there is that we could have a, we could have, yeah, I suppose further inequalities between then a select few students who got the key skills needed and the majority of students who are left behind.

And you know, I always try to have, you know, AI educators, former teachers, current teachers on, you know, at least a couple of times a year here on the show because I think it's important. Right. When you send your kids back to school, you know, you got to kind of know the pulse of what's going on. But you know, I know it's hard. And Dan, you know, you said that you, you know, kind of do work with schools, you know, here in the US and in other parts of the world. Where would you say now, right, if, if you give us a zoomed out view, maybe someone's not paying attention what's happening at their kids school. How are schools across the world, which I know is a broad question, right? How are they tackling this issue of, of AI in the classroom?

Well, I think one of the biggest issues presented and it's, I suppose a lot of your audience will, will be in businesses that have had to approach this the same way. It's, it's, it's the stuff that's happening on the ground. So if we go into the average school, the, the impact on the ground level likely is if you ask most teachers is, well, students are using this technology for quote unquote cheating or using this to do their, their assessments. My, my big thing with that is we can no longer blame the student for using the tools available and ask the student or our children to change. But we must change as educators. We have to start using a bit more imagination for some reason. And you'll know this from being at school. Everyone will have this experience that for some reason we got stuck on, well, let's teach some children some information. Then they write it down on a piece of paper or whatever and then we read that and we're able to tell how much they've learned and then we move on to the next thing. Like why is that the case? It lacks in this day and age, it lacks no imagination. It has no links to the, to the real world. So we, I think the education itself needs to start using its imagination and I think parents need to put the pressure on as well. I think we need to be asking our children's schools, well, how are we teaching, how are they teaching your children with generative AI? Are they, are they giving them the skills to be able to collaborate with AI? Are they giving them the awareness of how to use this in a safe way? Are they giving them the skills to be able to use this to be, benefit them enough for them to. Just like I, I put in my first book, the AI Classroom, I wrote a chapter called outsource your, your doing, not your thinking. And I really think we need to ask our, our educators, are we, are they doing that? Are we allowing our students to use these tools so that they are using it as a collaborative partner, not a replacement for all of their thinking. And we need to put that pressure on and say, well, what, what is happening? Because in many places I'm still. I was in Scotland, which is not too far from where I live, working with some schools just, just a couple of months ago, and I was even hearing reports while I was there of, of local governments starting to tell schools that they couldn't use chat GPT anymore. This is after two years of schools using chat GPT. But then we see the reverse happening. I was recently in New York City working with the, the school, state school boards of New York State. And, and probably most notoriously, they, in, in the early days of, of Chat GPT should shut it all down and banned it. But now they've opened it up and they're exploring it. So places are in a real liminal space. They're in a space where we kind of the oldest, not the old ways of doing things are not making sense anymore, and the new ways of doing things haven't fully been formed or created yet. So there's a, there's a, there's a lot going on in that space at the moment. And, and places are trying to figure out what to do next. Yeah.

And, and, and one thing that, you know, I, I throw out there every now and then because I know, you know, we have a lot of AI educators listening, you know, the podcast and people in traditional education is, I like to say, replace the word generative AI or AI or chat GPT with Internet. Right. Would you ban your students from using the Internet? Probably not. Right. That is how they learn. Right. And the same thing is, is, you know, in the workforce, you're going to be required to use generative AI. Right. So banning it is probably not a good idea anymore. But, you know, why are we still seeing this, this, you know, this, this AI band culture? Dan. Right. You know, many years after generative AI has been out in the wild, you know, why, what, what are you hearing from the schools and the districts that you work with? You know, what are the reasons why they're still hesitant toward generative AI is an education problem? Is it an access problem? Like, what's the, I guess what's the issue on why, you know, school districts still aren't fully embracing it?

Well, it's interesting, you use the, the analogy there of the Internet. There's still, there's still many, many schools out there who, who don't give children free access to the Internet, who, who very, very much control access to the Internet. We've seen a few, a worldwide surge at the moment of schools banning cell phones. Some of those are for good reasons. But my question is, well, what, what are we replacing that with? Are we giving them an in house device where they can still get the benefits of the technology without the harmful side of it and a lot of places aren't. So I think, I think we've, we've got a long way to go. I, I think for a long, long time education has had almost like a special dispensation from innovation because they haven't had to really innovate to be, to be fair. And I think that comes down a lot down to competition. The schools haven't really had any competition so, and we know from the business world that that's what drives innovation. And I think that special dispensation is now coming to an end because of new forms of school starting to pop up like we've mentioned. And I think a lot of schools are going to find that they're not just one step behind, they're 20 steps behind. And, and there's, and there's a lot of catching up to do. And I think, I think in the main, going back to, to your main question there. So the main issue is fear I think because once you start to look at oh how do we use this technology, then suddenly question marks start popping up over age old practices that we, that are kind of like orthodoxy within, within education, like how we assess students. The, the whole idea of we're preparing them for university that the whole, like the whole kind of system starts, it's like a house of cards and once you start to remove one or two cards the whole thing starts to shake and that's when things get a bit scary. So you will see schools react quite bluntly and just say right band we not, we're not allowing it. And it's a very blunt reaction because that house of cards could start to shake and start to fall down. So my mission really is to go right, well how do we, how do we deconstruct that house of cards in a safe way so that we, we don't destroy the education system but, but that we remake an education system that's fit for, for our society. It's fit for our, to prepare our children for the actual world live in not a, not an industrial age of three, 400 years ago.

Yeah, a lot, a lot to unpack there, Dan. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna go and just put out some, some random opinions and hot takes and I want to get Your get your thoughts on this, right? You know, from, from my perspective here, you know, I think a lot of early on, right, November 2022, the chat GBT moment, right? I think a lot of AI educators saw this and they're like, oh, this is going to go away. And you know, people are looking at the Gartner hype cycle and they're like, oh, you know, we're gonna be on the downward trend here soon. And you know, here we are, you know, two and a half years later. And now I think you're seeing, you know, oh, it's, it's, you know, Khan Academy. You're seeing it on 60 Minutes and seeing how good of a job it can do, you know, and it's almost like, wow, this looks like it could do a better job than actual teachers. Because if you give all students access to something, it adapts to their personalized learning style, right? And you can ask questions in so many different ways. Is there a level maybe of, of fear, right, in the same way everyone's worried about, oh, will AI take my jobs? Right? Is there maybe that certain element of teachers, school districts are like, whoa, hey, this AI thing is actually maybe a little too good at what we are trying to do. Is, is there a sense of that at all? Are you still running in circles trying to figure out how to actually grow your business with AI? Maybe your company has been tinkering with large language models for a year or more, but can't really get traction to find ROI on Genai. Hey, this is Jordan Wilson, host of this very podcast. Companies like Adobe, Microsoft and Nvidia have partnered with us because they trust our expertise in educating the masses around generative AI to get ahead. And some of the most innovative companies in the country hire us to help with their AI strategy and to train hundreds of of their employees on how to use gen AI. So whether you're looking for chat GPT training for thousands or just need help building your front end AI strategy, you can partner with us too. Just like some of the biggest companies in the world do. Go to your everyday AI.com partner to get in contact with our team or you can just click on the partner section of our website. We'll help you stop running in those AI circles and help get your team ahead in building build a straight path to ROI on Gen AI.

I think for some people, for the, for the few who, who have glimpsed at what's coming and I, I still don't think, and I still don't think our general population has really realized what's, what's coming and what's being worked on behind the scenes here. And, and I encounter a lot of schools who are creating policies, who are creating strategies around the current understanding of the technology available right now. And one of the things I do when I go to schools is go right, well have you, do you know about the advanced robotic side of this? Do you know about the advanced brain technology that's going on here? Because this exists and we're going to start seeing it over the next few years start to become available. So I think there is a fear, I think there's also, I think there's also a bit of a education. So we get the branch of technology, edtech Educational technology has promised a lot over the last few decades and, and quite regularly under delivered. So teachers are quite used to and I guess, I guess all industries are like this but teachers are quite used to somebody going the new tech is going to change everything. It's, it's really going to help us. It's gonna, and then it, it get, it gets very poorly integrated. I think like I've worked in businesses where a business will just go right, we're using this system now let's transfer over, we've got a few weeks, you've got to do it or you lose your job. If you, if you say no than you're not going to be staying at that business for much longer. In education it doesn't really work like that because the system around our schools doesn't really change that much. A school finds it really difficult, the average school will find it really difficult to say right this is, this is what we're doing now in terms of teaching and technology and everybody has to follow it because actually you might have some teachers who are really delivering on results and using very old fashioned methods. So you don't want to disrupt them in that because actually they're getting you some great metrics for how your school is judged on a national level let's say. So a lot of tech integration is poorly done because it's like almost like this helps use it if you want to use it and teachers, huge workloads, it just goes to the back of the intra. So we've had a lot of wow, look at this technology, look, it's cloud technology, it's going to help us so much. Look at this technology, the Internet, it's going to help us so much and it just hasn't fully delivered within education. And so here you go, you've got another technology, artificial intelligence. People are saying fairly similar things about it. And, and especially teachers who aren't, don't really know how to use it. You know, you jump on a chatgpt for the first time, you ask it a question, you're like, yeah, it's all right, but, but it's, it's hard to get your, it's hard to see how a chatbot is going to replace you or how a chatbot is going to revolutionize anything, really, because the first time you start trying this, it's just like having a conversation with Wikipedia. I guess that's what it feels like. And that's where a lot of teachers will get to and go, right? Oh, yeah, it's okay. Actually, I could see some of the harmful sides of this in terms of cheating. So maybe we should, maybe we should block this because this could be damaging. And that's about as far as the mindset goes, really. So there's, there's some fear there, but there's also just some apathy. There's also just some, oh, here's another technology that people are promising is going to change the world, but never really does. Yeah, it's a mix. It's a whole mess. It's a whole mess. And that's why in my new book, Infinite Education, I try to get down to the, the nuts and bolts of how can a school really start to change things amongst this, this, this historic mess, I guess.

And, and let's just quickly jump into that, right? My, my hot take has always been, right, some big schools, some big, you know, household names here in the US that have been around for, you know, a hundred of years, 100 years. I'm like, they're probably not going to be around, right, if they still have this hard stance on, you know, hey, we're banning every single AI and we're not going to push generative AI education right across our curriculum. I'm like, they're not going to be around because they're, you know, graduates aren't gonna get jobs. Right? It's, it's gonna be like, you know, still learning in a, in a book only age when digital has been around for many decades. Do you see that as a potential outcome where maybe just some household institutions just aren't going to be so household anymore because there's not going to be students wanting to go there. Is that, is that wild to say that?

Yeah, it's interesting because I, my instinct is yes, but then I'm like, well, a lot of these places have a lot of power and it's, it's difficult to make power go away. But I, I do think we're going to get into a position where, where, and I, like I alluded to before, we're gonna start getting alternatives. Like you look at, there's a school called Synthesis out of California who, that was set up from SpaceX and those guys do some amazing online schooling. They've got an AI tutor that teaches maths and there's lots of different forms of that kind of popping up at the minute. And what are we going to do when these, some students who have just been educated through these, these types of new forms of education start to get really top jobs and industry start to be favored over kind of the traditional student who's, who's gone through university and so on, then it's good. I think that's when parents and the children themselves or the students themselves will start to think, well actually especially the debt that comes with, with a traditional education, there's another way to do it here. And, and it also has an impact because it will get me a good job. And I think once we reach that point of level, of the level of awareness where there could be a tipping point there where actually we start to get. And, and to be fair, we're starting to see it already. We're starting to see it in the uk, in the us a huge rise in homeschooling. And there's many reasons for homeschooling, but a big reason is dissatisfaction with the current system and a lot of homeschooling. Parents aren't just taking their students, their children and teaching themselves at home, like on a desk in the living room or something like that. What they're doing is they are putting them onto these online schooling platforms. The fastest growing school in the UK at the moment is an online school. So I think what we're going to see is, I kind of call it in my new book, the Decentralization of Education. We're seeing the decentralization phenomena happening around the world with finance, ownership and so on. I think we're going to start seeing the decentralization of education and for me that's only a good thing because parents, students are going to have more of a choice. And I think in that type of new environment, the centralized power of mainstream government controlled education starts to lose its grip. And then like you say, we could start seeing some of those, those household name schools, colleges, universities, start to lose funding, start to start to be in trouble. And I don't think, I don't think we realize how, how fast we're, we're we're, we're getting to that point.

You know, a good, a good question here coming in from YouTube, big bogey face saying, are private schools adopting AI quicker and deeper than public schools? What would you say to that? In.

Yeah, in my experience, most of my work comes from private schools. Two main reasons. They've got the resources, they've got the finance. A lot of state schools, or what we call public schools in, in the uk, which is state schools don't have money. They're too busy trying to keep the building from crumbling down around them. Never mind. Look at AI. Yes, and, and I think it comes back to what, what I was saying before, because those schools do have a tiny bit of competition because they're, they're competing with the next private school. Now actually, when you look under the hood, there's not much difference there. Very similar curriculum, very similar styles of teaching. And it's not the same type of competition I'm talking about with, with these other, other types of schools. Schools. But there is a little bit of competition and those types of schools need, need an edge to attract wealthier parents. So a lot of them want to explore AI. They want to do it for the right reasons, but also for the, for their website, for their promo material. So, yeah, we're starting to. There's, there's a lot more interest from, from private schools around the world. I find.

Another, another common thing that I see right in the, in the educational system. And then I want to ask you one question outside of the classroom is it seems like educators aren't educating themselves on how generative AI works. Right. Like I'll ask someone like, hey, can you explain how chat GPT works? Right. And no one has a clue. Do you think that, you know, larger institutions are doing due diligence on actually understanding this technology? Or is it more of we, we don't understand it, so instead of learning, we're just gonna, you know, say, hey, kids, don't use it. Yeah.

And we have the data for that. I think it was. There's a recent survey where seven out of 10 teachers said they, they haven't been trained in anything to do with artificial intelligence, which is quite scary really. But like I say, I've been on leadership teams in school schools. There's a lot of competition for training. There's a lot of competition for professional development within a school and how you need to keep teachers trained and the tech side of it. And I think this is where the problem occurs. I think that AI is just seen as a tech thing and that's again, that's a fundamental misunderstanding of artificial intelligence, that this is impacting kind of everything. It's not just a tech thing. And so tech stuff again in schools gets left to the periphery because it's not essential, because you can still do the job with traditional methods. You could still have a teacher with a chalkboard do just as well as a teacher with iPads and generative AI in the current system. So, yeah, I think we've got a lot of work to do there. But that doesn't stop individual teachers just going off and finding out about this stuff themselves and training themselves. Because let's be honest, in what you do, Jordan, and what your listeners do, they're doing that, aren't they? Not every company is training their workforce in AI. It's the individual innovators, the mavericks in the company who are going, you know what, I'm going to find out about this AI thing. And it's the same in education. That's what, that's what we're seeing. And we need more of that, really.

Outside of the classroom, what should parents be looking at when it comes to generative AI? I think it took us a decade or more to understand, as an example, social media's impact on a younger generation in the pros and the very obvious cons, tons of that. So when it comes to outside the classroom, what should parents be, you know, looking at or trying to understand when it comes to generative AI? Because there's, there's goods and there's bads.

Yeah, Two things. I think the first thing is monitor your kids, like monitor their use. And I think it's interesting because I, I, I'm still from that age of where the Internet was and being on your phone, your cell phone is quite a private thing. We kind of think when it comes to our kids, oh well, it's their own world, we shouldn't really get involved, but actually have something on the phone. I know just today, in one example, Google have some great parents parent apps where you can see what your kids have to ask for permission for apps. And because your children will be using AI, I mean, the most used AI for teenagers is the AI that's in Snapchat. So they will be using, it's already in their apps. So I think monitor it, make sure your children are safe. I think that's probably number one. I think number two is use it with them as well. Talk about it. If you're a parent who's new to AI, go on the journey with your children, get it to do some things like we sometimes do. ChatGPT just had the Santa feature where you could talk to Santa through the, through the voice mode. I've got a four and a five year old at home and we would chat to Santa together. We would, we started using the Vision, the new Pro Vision features within the ChatGPT app as well and, and really using it together. Get it to plan to help you plan days out and, and trips and, and whatever. And also one, one great way can work. I've got a friend who's did this and actually open AI have just created a commercial with him in it. It's amazing. He's based in Manchester in the UK and what he did was he couldn't understand his daughter's homework. You know, like all, all parents are like, I've got no idea what's going on here. I can't help my own child with their homework because I, I don't know. So he uses Chat GPT with his daughter to, so that they can both understand the homework together and work on the homework together. And I think it can, it can help like that. Just like at work as a, as a collaborative partner, it can work as a bit of a collaborative partner at home on things you're doing at home as well. So yeah, I think, I think use it together with your children.

That's great. So Dan, we covered a lot in today's conversation from problems with traditional education and their lack of proper implementation around AI. We've talked about maybe common kind of this competition or threat that AI may pose in the classroom and even outside of the classroom, how parents can maybe best, you know, be a support system but also keep things safe for their children. But as we wrap, what is your one most important takeaway for how we can prepare our children for an AI world?

I think give the, expose them to it. Now there might be, there might be some people who are saying don't do that because of safety. I'm absolutely with, with you on that. There are, there are issues with this technology but if we don't work with them on it, they're going to use it anyway and they're not going to have the guidance from, from a responsible adult, especially if they're young children, on how to use this safely. So yeah, going back to what we were just talking about, use it with them, ask them about it, have conversations. I think probably one of the biggest issues probably with most things in the world is lack of communication. Just open up those communication channels with, with your children, ask them what they're doing in school, ask them what they're doing with it and and see where that leads.

Such, such a good and important conversation to have. Thank you so much, Dan Fitzpatrick, for joining the Everyday AI Show. We appreciate your time.

Thanks, Jordan. Really appreciate it.

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