EP 8: Can Bing Chat now compete with ChatGPT?

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What are chat plugins and will they allow us to essentially clone ourselves? That's one of the things that we're going to be talking about today on Everyday AI. Your daily lives live show, podcast and newsletter that breaks down all of the newest trends, happenings, and everything that's going on in the AI scene and helping everyday people like you and me learn and leverage everything. What's going on? We have our. Our rotating co host, Brandon. Brandon, good to see you. How are you?

Nice to see you. How's everyone doing today? Hopefully anyone watching or listening to this later, hopefully having a good day.

Yeah.

Let's go.

Okay, so before we get into some of the big news, we're gonna. We're gonna play a little game. We're gonna play a little game, and if you are tuning in, I'd love to see a comment. We'll see if we can fool you. So we're gonna be talking a little bit like I talked about, about some of these different chat platforms. So most of us know chat GPT, but there's. There's others as well, which we're gonna talk about today. So. So Brandon and I are actually going to play one One truth, two Lies. You probably all played this. This game before. We're flipping it a little because we're. We're having these. These chats. These AI chats make up our lives. All right, so we're gonna. We're gonna say I'm quick. We're gonna see if me and Brandon can even stump ourselves. But if you have any guests, if you're watching this live, please put it in. So I'll go first. So again, two lies, one truth. I'm an amateur pumpkin artist and have won several Jack O Lantern carving competitions. I was a published author at age 15 for a poem that I thought was only okay. And then the last one is, I once led a group of tourists on an impromptu city tour around Chicago because the guide got sick. So before you guess, Brandon, go ahead and name off yours.

All right, so I accidentally boarded the wrong flight and ended up in Iceland instead of Mexico. I've appeared on TV three times, and I was once mistaken for celebrity and invited to a movie premiere.

Oh, so good. All right, go ahead and guess mine. Brandon. What's my. Well, what's my truth?

Oh, it's the third one. I feel like leading the group up. Yeah.

So wrong. The truth. Yeah, the truth is I was published for a poem that I thought was only. Okay, ask me about it on LinkedIn. I'll tell you. All right, your, your truth, Brandon. Ah, gosh, I should know this. Did you accidentally go to Iceland?

No.

Oh, gosh.

All right, which, which one? The truth was that I've been on TV three times.

Oh, okay. This. So, so, so a live show is, is, is nothing for you then? You're. You're.

It was. They just happen. Maybe it's a cheat. But all three was, were. Half were on the news. Like either interview, like being on the news. So.

All right, yeah, Brandon's. Brandon's got fame in his future. All right, so now we're going to run over the, the daily news. We're also going to do it a little different. We want to have some fun today. But before we go, everything, just a reminder, please go to your everyday AI.com subscribe to the newsletter. We're also speaking of chat because that's what we're talking about today. We are giving away two year long premium memberships in Chat GPT. You know, there is a free version which you probably know, but the, the premium version, more powerful. So go in super easy. Sign up for the newsletter and check it out. All right, Brandon, we're going to do some, some rapid fire news updates. So let's go. So the biggest one, Microsoft Bing Chat, huge update. So they're releasing plugin support apparently without a wait list for most people. So we'll see when that happens. And the new chat's going to include image and video results and something that's been missing. Chat history. Hot take. What do you think?

I think it's going to be huge. We'll get into it more later, but I do think it's going to be one of the best, if not the best option currently out there. I know ChatGPT is all the rave, but we'll kind of show you why I think that it's the, the bigger step forward.

Love that. Second big news piece of the day. The White House is promoting ethical AI, but to do so they are using a hacking exercise at the DEFCON security conference to probe generative AI. Brandon, what are your thoughts on that one?

Interesting. I don't know. It's, it's like contradicting itself and I'm sure to like the everyday person. You're like, what? Like that makes no sense. But yeah, I would like to kind of look into that a little more. Kind of see what came of that.

Yeah, yeah. We'll definitely have the newsletter. Speaking of something that's in the newsletter, we haven't talked about on the show, but I think it's worth talking about chegg. So the education company, their stock completely crashed earlier this week. I believe it went down 4, 40% because they said chat GPT was a huge threat to their business. Brandon, what does this mean for, for not just check, but other companies?

I mean this is huge. If you kind of caught this in our newsletter last week. So definitely sign up if you're. Or the other day. So definitely sign up if you're missing out on that. I think it's interesting because it, it easily can replace just all kinds of study materials, book materials, educational, you know, applications. And so this is bigger than just check. I mean it could be, you know, we've already kind of seen the end of like libraries, but next could it be the end of like ebooks and, and other things like that? Yeah, it could be interesting.

That's, that's, that, that's great. And we will segue into that here in a second. Last big news piece. You know, LinkedIn is turning 20. Wow. Crazy. But an article today in, let's see, I think it was in the Verge kind of talked about just their, their doubling down on of talked about before. But Brandon, what do you think that means both for professionals but also just for social media when a company as big as LinkedIn backed by Microsoft obviously says hey, we're, we're going all in on AI?

I mean I think it, it's big not only because of which social media platform is doubling down first. So being LinkedIn just showing, hey, this can be something that's needed in a professional career. But I think it'll allow us to kind of implement strategies and skills of AI in social media space and be able to hopefully have that trickle over to the platforms as well.

Yeah, so I think that's also a great transition. You know, kind of talking about Chegg, you know, an education company, you know, talking about Microsoft backing LinkedIn and also our first news story about this, the, the, the new Bing chat. I wanted to have a chat about chats with, with AI chats. You know, Brandon, you know, we talked on, you know, the first time that you were, you know, co hosting the show, but just remind everyone just kind of your experience, you AI and kind of also how your relationship, I guess with AI has changed since the very first time until, you know, today. Because I'm guessing you probably use it a little more today than you did when we first Started, you know, using this years ago, right?

Yeah, no, no, definitely yes. I have like a little bit, a little over like a year of experience using just general AI applications. Specifically with ChatGPT. It's been in the recent past 4ish 5 months, let's just say. Well, I mean, for more, more for, for me SEO writing purposes was the first time that I kind of used some form of, of AI to help me with just getting better pages and blogs and whatnot to rank higher on Google. And so more recently it's just been used in just everyday applications. Like if you're stumped on something, you need to figure out what you want to say next. You know, you just use Chat GPT to tell you, hey, do this. And just any, any kind of setting really, it applies everywhere. And so I think it kind of went for me. I was like, oh, this is a great SEO tool to, this is a great guy or for your career and for your everyday work and even just if you want to Google something. We kind of talked about that the other day, using it as just like a Google alternative. And so this is definitely that also ties into kind of the strength of Bing Chat. So that's something we'll get into. But I think that's how my kind of knowledge and application use of specifically Chat GPT but even other AI applications that we use daily, both everyday AI and accelerant. So that's something that I think is, you know, hopefully we can get into those in the future to have other ways we use those to kind of automate our processes.

Yeah, and I think it's worth both for us and for you listening to take a very brief look at chat and what does this mean and how is this different than the Internet and how now with this kind of new plugin support, is Microsoft Bing Chat going to be different than ChatGPT? So a very brief overview. So there's something called in LLM or a large, a large language model. So you know, Brandon, you know what, when you hear that, you know, a large language model, like, what does that even mean to you? Like, you know, I don't even fully understand it, but you know, when you hear large language model, like what does that translate in your head?

I don't know. I guess it just means like this, not peace, but I'm just going to say like piece of data that has like, you know, obviously a specific amount of knowledge that is able to like computate, you know, words to you as an example. So I, I mean obviously this is probably the most you know, boring explanation ever. But that's kind of just what I see it as. And so like obviously a model means that it's mocked after something so that, you know, that's important to understand. And obviously, you know, as I, we actually understand how it's based off of, you know, a certain period of knowledge which we'll get into. That's kind of what I, yeah, that's my basic attempt at trying to explain it. If I didn't know anything.

I think, I think that's really great. You know, even what you said there, a model is modeled after something and that's one of, you know, even as we've had these conversations on everyday AI and just, you know, in general I think that's one of the most misunderstood things, at least about chat GPT. I think there's a lot of frustrations when, when people are trying to get, you know, as an example, recent information and knowing what a large language model is is important because it is a model. And the thing that most people do not understand with ChatGPT is that model ends, it currently ends in September 2021. So if you want any information that's newer than 2021, it's not a good thing to use Chat GPT, at least out of the box. So you know, they are talking about plugins at ChatGPT as well, which is essentially when third party companies can build some functionality that seamlessly integrates with, with chat. But right now, except for very few developers, ChatGPT does not have that. So with this Microsoft came out today, they're saying like, hey, we are releasing plugins for Bing Chat. That's huge. And also saying there's not going to be a wait list and the general public should. Again it's only a couple hours old, so I'm sure we'll get more details. But the general public should be getting access to this soon, so that's huge. But the other thing to keep in mind about Microsoft, Bing Chat, it's connected to the Internet and that's huge. That's something that people also don't understand. So there's always different use cases for different chats. So we're not even going to get into it today. But there's bard. So that's Google's version which is actually not even based on GPT, which is the OpenAI, that's their model. So OpenAI, their product is ChatGPT and it uses GPT technology. So even Microsoft uses GPT technology. So Google's kind of on its own with its own large Language model. So Brandon, really quick just talk, talking about, you know, this Microsoft Bing Chat now and being able to get fresh data and data that's real, like real time, which, which has been available but then even with, you know, talking about in results now, image and video results that are coming very soon to, to, to Bing Chat. What does that mean? Just for the future of, of research, writing, just productivity. What do you think that means?

I mean it's huge. Again, like we said, it's limited to chat. GBT is limited to September 2021 and that's if you have chat GT GPT model 4 selected because I know by default it's 3.5. So that's another thing too, as a side note, for anyone who's using that, make sure to switch it A four. So I think it's big just because again, you can write about something that happened five hours ago. Like if it's on the Internet, you can write about it, you can find it. And so it's going to give way more, not only personalized and better results for whoever's looking for that knowledge, whatever it may be, but it's going to be more accurate too. So you know, it's for so many purposes. I'm thinking from my perspective, even just like an SEO perspective, it's going to write a lot more accurate content and it can probably pull from some of the top like articles as an example. And so we're going to get some things that are ranking already high on Google, but it has so many applications to any kind of position or career.

Yeah, and if you are watching this live, apologies if you're on the listening on the podcast, but I'm going to try to explain it to you. So on my screen here on the everyday AI live stream, I have an example of a prompt and a response in Chat GPT. So, you know, kind of going along with what we talked about earlier. I'm asking what's going on in the stock market this week and specifically I want to know what happened with Chegg's stock price. So with Chat GPT and this is with the newest model, which is called GPT, it's saying, I'm sorry, as an AI language model, I don't have real time information, you know, blah blah, blah. If you've used Chat GPT you probably see that response a lot. But it's essentially saying, I don't know, I'm not up to date. You know, this is like this is before or this is more recent than September 2021. Okay, so now I'M switching over to this, the result from Bing Chat. So you'll see it's completely different, the exact same prompt. And I'm getting just a fantastic summary here. So you know, Bing Chat says here's a brief summary of what has been going on in the stock market this week. And it's not just talking about like macro, it's talking about micro as well. So it's giving a big overview of what's happening in, in the Dow Jones, in the S P, in the nasdaq, what's happening that week. It's also saying like why it's still volatile. Right? The stock market's been very volatile. And then we have down there that the, the Chegg stock, you know, it's the, the impact that it had this week with, with this news. So I think that's just such a small but a powerful example and, and how so many people maybe aren't using Chat GPT correctly. I, I think that depending on what you want to know, you definitely have to, you know, use the, the right model. Brandon, so, so, so what do you think just even looking at this example, you know, what are your thoughts?

Yeah, again I think the way I start to see it and look at is like open AI Chat GPT maybe can be used for more of like, I don't want to say creative writing purposes, but maybe more like stylized writing or if you're writing like a landing page for your, your website and you just want to add that little bit of like character to it that maybe you can't get to. Whereas any type of chat that has the ability to connect to Google or Bing in this case can definitely be used for more recent news, to be able to write recent blog articles, you know, anything really. And so that's kind of how I see it personally and maybe that's something that other people can try to approach it with as well.

Yeah, well, I think regardless it's going to be interesting. This news from Microsoft today, I think it's huge. You know, I think OpenAI is going to continue to be the leader in this space, you know, the 100 million users and I think whatever it was five days for ChatGPT, which is, it is mind boggling. But I think that this news from Microsoft and the improvements in their chat in Bing Chat, it's going to at least start to level the playing field. So we went a little bit over today. So thank you for tuning in, thank you for listening on the podcast, the newsletter, everything. Let us know what you think. What does this mean? Is Bing chat now going to be a competitor are we going to which we didn't even get into. The functionality of these plug, it is astounding. You know, at times you will kind of feel like you're able to clone yourself with some of the functionalities that these plugins are going to bring. So again, thank you for, for tuning in as we go a little bit in depth today on this, these, these different chats. So please continue to tune in every single day to Everyday AI. We thank you for joining in.

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