EP 84: How a father-son duo is using ChatGPT to educate others

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Can you use Chat GPT to start a business? Something we've talked about many times on the show before, but most of those times we have an adult who has a lot of background experience come talk to us about how they use ChatGPT to start or grow a business. Today's a little different. Today I'm excited because we're going to be Talking to a 12 year old who hasn't even started 8th grade yet about how he's using Chat GPT to start a business. I'm excited for this one. I hope you all are too. My name is Jordan Wilson. I'm the host of Everyday AI. This is your Everyday live stream podcast and free daily newsletter helping everyday people like you and me learn what's going on in the world of AI and how we can actually use it in our day to day lives, in our careers, in our jobs, in our companies. All right, so we have a fun story to tell today. We actually have a father son duo joining the show. It's our first time that we had a duo joining us. So as a reminder, if you are joining us live, say what's up? Where are you joining us from? Let me know. Love to shout you out here live on the show, but before we do that, let's take a quick run over the AI news as we do every single day. So let's start it off. Speaking of people in school, Khan Academy, their AI tutor, is it taking over? Well, we're going to find out. It's here.

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So the very popular online learning platform Khan Academy has just started to roll out and test its AI tutor. So so far more than 8,000 teachers and students will be testing this new AI tutor from the nonprofit Khan Academy. So more in the newsletter on that. I think it's going to be extremely exciting and also a lot of, not confusion necessarily, but what does this mean for the tutoring world? Are things going to be just digital? I don't know. We're gonna find out. All right, we always think, can AI read our minds? Well, some researchers from Singapore have developed an AI system that is actually doing that. So it is called Mind these Mind V's, I think mind Vis. So it is actually a system that is using brainwave patterns to visually recreate what the brain sees. Right. We've talked about something similar on the show, but this one takes it a little, a little Further. So make sure to check that one out in the newsletter as well. Extremely interesting. And last but not least, the chip race. We talk about chips a lot on this show because I think it's important. It drives these, these GPU chips that drive Generative AI. So important. So the news today is a Softbank owned company called arm. They make chips and they are going to ipo. So they're going to be debuting, I believe today on the NASDAQ. So the SoftBank Group owns this ARM company and they're going to be putting out their, their public offering today. So we'll see how this shakes things up with, with AMD and Nvidia and some of the other large chip makers here in the, in the US and abroad. So yeah, it's, it's, you know, these chips, these GPU chips are actually so important with how we kind of power our future and with Generative AI. So definitely keep an eye on that. All right. Good morning, Dr. Rastafa. Good morning. Checking in. Thank you for joining us. Dr. Harvey Castro. Thank you for joining us. Trevor. It's early today. It is early, Trevor, especially if you're on our West Coast. Right. And that's actually where our guests today are joining us. So let's go ahead and bring our father son duo on. I'm excited for this. We have Kaz and Sam Keller joining us. Hey. Hey.

All right.

Great to be with you.

Yeah.

All right. I'm excited. So we have Sam Keller and his son Kaz Keller. So Kaz, thanks for joining the show. I'm excited for this. You, like, you gotta be a little tired. It is 5:30am in California, right?

Okay.

Yeah, I mean, I'm a little tired but like.

Tired. He's tired but ready to go. So really quick, Cass, I'm gonna throw, I'm gonna throw something up on the screen here. But go ahead and tell people what you're doing because you started a company to help train people on ChatGPT. So tell everyone a little bit about kind of this, this project Gen AI Academy.

Yeah, well, basically Jenny Academy is started as a company where I just started to teach people. So for example, as you can see on the site, like that's just me teaching people in that video. And then eventually after I like taught over 20 classes, we, we decided, we came essentially at a fork. Like we decided whether it should just continue being just me or if it could go or if we could start teaching others how to teach like me. And that's what it became. As you can see up there, it Says become a Chad GPT trainer. And that's basically just like, how we're on a mission to kind of like help almost anyone teach about this new AI. As long as they're willing to just put, like, in their time, start making, and then they can just start making money.

That's. Oh, sorry, I took. Took away the wrong one there. So tell me, tell me a little bit, Kaz. Where did you get this idea? How did it all start?

Well, I mean, honestly, we kind of like. The idea really, like, just started when I found out about ChatGPT. I was like, you know, sitting in the car to Tahoe and I like, saw this video on YouTube about, can an AI code a video game in less than 30 minutes? And so the video is really interesting, but I eventually just ended up using Chat GPT to be the, like, main AI that they use. So I'm like, okay, what's this Chat GPT?

Right? Kind of. Kind of like everyone, right? I think when people first saw ChatGPT, they're like, what is this? You know, what is this machine? Is it a search engine? What is GPT? So, so, so talk a little bit, Kaz. So you saw a video, you were interested, right? So how did it turn from you being interested into something you saw on YouTube to now teaching people about it? What was that process like?

Well, I'd say, like, in the beginning, I'm like, I sign up for it and I just chat GPT. Like, hey, chatGPT, what is chat GPT? And so it gave me this amazing description and I'm like, it's a little too nerdy for me. Could you please explain it in an easier fashion? And that's really where it just started. While I was starting to basically already understand the parameters of ChatGPT, like, how can you ask the right question and how can you tune an answer? And I was already doing that. So I told my dad and I'm like, daddy, you need to see this. And.

Okay, okay.

Four months. Like, Like, I have the idea. What if I start teaching people about AI?

And then we're right here, you've made over $4,000.

Four and a half thousand.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Don't.

Don't forget that. Four and a half thousand, dad. So, yeah, so. So, Sam, tell me a little bit. So when. When your son Kaz comes up to you and he's like, hey, I saw this video on YouTube, I want to start teaching people, what was your. What was your reaction? Because you, you have a tech background yourself. So what did you think when When, When Kaz came up to you with this idea?

Well, Kaz turns me on to various things, but I could tell by the tone of his voice that this was more serious, this was more significant. And so as he brought me into it, I saw too that like, whoa, this is revolutionary. And as he taught me how to use it adeptly, then I could really see that, like, man, you, you've helped not only me and your mom, but. But then next it became grandma and some other relatives and sort of neighbors. And so then it became clear that there was real potential here. And we had the idea of just putting a message on nextdoor, you know, the online platform that connects neighbors. And we were flooded with interest. So we looked at a schedule, created a few dates. ChatGPT had advised us to use Eventbrite to actually sell tickets. They sold out right away, just right over here in our living room.

And.

And so then he started using some of his proceeds to. To rent the boardroom at our local community center. So this little 12 year old has been running them in a big quintessential boardroom.

Oh, wow. I love it. And you know what, Kaz, you said something there that I want to call out to listeners because we tell people this all the time. People don't know that you can just ask and talk to chatbots like a person. Right. You don't have to have these, these long drawn out prompts. You can go back and forth. So tell. Talk a little bit about that process because it sounds like you were not even, not just teaching people about ChatGPT, but you were actually using ChatGPT to help you set it all up. So what was that like?

Well, I mean, like in the beginning it was really cool because it's like, whoa. And AI is helping me with all this. Like, that's pretty crazy. And then eventually it came up with the main questions that I demo on Chat pt, but I had to tweak those because I've gotta say, Chat GPT is not the best when it comes to some things. That's why I started using GPT4. But anyways, it's like, it was really just amazing being able to see how it's able to like help me write a slide, help me generate the main points that I'm gonna put onto this slide towards, like, instead of spending like 10 hours on a presentation, you can end up spending one and probably get the same results.

Yeah, and, and you know, some, some comments and, and feedback from our audience. You know, Juliet saying this is fantastically inspiring. I agree, Dr. Harvey Castro saying, loves the entrepreneurship here. Cecilia, great point. Saying anyone can be a teacher and you can learn from anyone. But the young are especially great teachers. So let's, let's talk about that, Cass, because it's not just, you know, your, your buddies that are taking this course. You're, you're teaching people from all over the country. I heard you've had people tune in from other countries as well, but talk about just the, the age range and just the different types of people that you're teaching chat GPT to.

Yeah, well, usually like on our first class it was like usually I'd say one kid, like three adults and then I think two seniors so. Or no, no one seen. Wait, yeah, two seniors. It's like, you know kids, you kind of forget. But anyways, so we have like, you know, six people there and it's like, well that's a lot. It's one more than we expected. One person got the dates wrong. So I mean eventually we didn't really like you. It's like, so I don't care, let's just do it Anyways, so we ended up teaching the class and I mean everyone loved it. So.

But then most of the people who buy tickets of the over 200 people have been senior citizens.

Yeah. Now like now we're definitely seeing that it's mostly senior citizens. Like the first class I'd say was maybe just like a difference. So mostly senior citizens because so many.

Of the young people seem to just use YouTube to learn about it. But some of these older folks have.

No barely any time. So it's usually like only seniors who have the right time and the right mindset to decide to do an in.

Person class and want the hands on support to access it and start using it.

That's, that's so cool. And you know we, we talk about this on the show but you know, whether you enjoy or want to use something like ChatGPT, that is the way of the future because you know the biggest, the biggest companies out there that control search. So Microsoft, Google, they are starting to make their default search more this generative search. Right. So what Sam and Kaz are talking about here, if you're tuning in and maybe you aren't aware this is how that most people are going to have to be interacting with the Internet in the near future. So you know Kaz, I love that you have so many seniors coming to your class, but Woozy's comment here, which I just had and kind of got it off, got it off screen, but he said that he felt kind of bad for your classmates because you're going to set the curve awfully high. But what do your, your friends and kind of classmates think about how you've used Chat GPT to start a business and you're making money off of it?

I mean, at first some of the my friends thought like, that's like, how are you doing that? Like, how, like, how are you making that much money? It's like, you got to be like, scamming them. But, like, I'm like, no, I'm actually teaching them stuff. It's. I, like, teach them how you can use it. So at the beginning, they kind of like, thought they joked around about it, but eventually they realized, like, well, this is natural, pretty cool thing. And he's making bank from it.

Yeah, I love it. I love it. And what have, what have you been able to teach? Let's just say even, you know, younger, younger students, maybe your own age. But what have you been able to teach kind of younger kids? And what has it. What has the feedback from them, Ben, you know, kind of more of your. Your peers, your age group. Like, what do they say after you teach them Chat GPT?

Well, they'll usually be like, whoa, this is so cool. I have so many questions. And then usually, like, sometimes we'll have people who, like, have like, more complex things that they're wondering. Like, I tried using Chat GPT4 to do this, but it said that is unethical, even though it is ethical for what I'm doing it with. So then I sometimes if they ask questions like that, I will, like, show them how you can write the perfect question, you know, to actually answer that and do it.

Yeah. And here. Well, let's, let's just go ahead and talk about this. We didn't, you know, we didn't really prepare for this. But I think you can handle this one here. This one here, Kaz. So, Doctor. Well, two. Two different things. So Brian Parton says this settles the debate about teaching Chat GPT in schools. I agree with you, Brian. I think it should be taught in schools. But I'd like to hear this, this from you, Cass. Like, do you think that schools should be teaching Chat GPT? Because a lot of them say, hey, you can't use Chat GPT. But what's, what's your thought? Should schools be teaching it too?

Yeah, well, I mean, the main, like, thing that I think schools are like, schools were initially designed to help you prepare for work, but nowadays it more to just help you learn. But then you really think that when you're working, you're allowed to use strategy pt. So like, why can't you use it in school? And then once again, schools are also helping you learn about new things. Yet one of the most powerful new things, AI. And of that Chad GPT, one of the most accessible tools out there, you can't even, you can't even use it in school. Like, what kind of logic is that?

That's what I'm saying. Hey, me and Kaz are on the same page here, right? Because to, to me, Kaz, and let me know, let me know if we're going down the, down the wrong route here, but you know, you can use the Internet to research something. You can use, you know, Wikipedia, as long as you cite it, right? So I think a lot of people just have a misunderstanding of ChatGPT and what it can be used for. Have you seen that? You know, in some of your classes so far? Maybe people just don't really understand what ChatGPT is. And then when you can teach them, are they just blown away?

Yeah, I mean, yeah, once I like, I teach them, they're kind of like, just blown away. Like, for example, like once my teachers, like, heard about this, they were like, hey, Cass, can you like, do, you know, do a private session at school in our like, school boardroom? Just like, you know, our U.S. teachers.

Yeah, your teachers have bought tickets. Your teachers have become your students.

Yeah, that's, that's the great part. I love that, that. So talk about that. So you're, your teachers have actually taken, taken your course, right? What was that like, having to teach your teachers about, like a teacher?

It was more like one of my main substitutes. But it was so like, well, I'm teaching someone who usually teaches me. That's pretty darn crazy.

Gosh. Cecilia. Cecilia with a comment says, wait a minute, Cass sounds just like Jordan. Cecilia. I couldn't agree more. I think if, if I was 25 years younger, I would hope to be in the position that Kaz is in now, taking this, this step as an entrepreneur to really teach people and, and make money at it. So. So, Kaz, I gotta ask you this. You have a successful business, right? You're making money, you're helping people learn. Learn with Chat GPT, your friends, your neighbors, you know, people at the community center. I love it. What's your next step like? So obviously you're starting school soon, but what's your next step with this Gen AI Academy? What do you want to do next?

I think I really just want to like, increase my social media like YouTube channel. And I also want to kind of like help other trainers to like really get the perfect training in and how to like really be able to help their community as well. Because like when you're a tragedy trainer, it's like the best deal. Like you get to help your community and you get to make bank. Like who doesn't want that?

Yeah, no, I love it. Yeah. Because you're, you're also not just teaching people how to use CHAT GPT, but then you're teaching people how to go out and teach others. Correct.

Yeah.

To do exactly what he's doing.

So cool. I love it. I love it. So we'll, we'll, we'll end with this because Kaz and Sam, we've been all over, we've talked about how this started, we, we've talked about where it's going. We've got some of your hot takes about using ChatGPT in school, which I love. But what's kind of your, your one message to people listening out there and who maybe are thinking, hey, I've heard about ChatGPT, but I haven't used it. What's, what's your kind of one message to encourage people to maybe learn this new technology?

I mean that ChatGPT is here to stay where like I think it's like you don't have to go for ChatGPT. It's mainly just generative AI is really going to be here to stay because like you've got chatgpt Bing AI like in there. Those are like supercharged. Like Bing AI can even now analyze images you take and then generate images, which is really making it like insanely powerful. Which is where like you don't have to go for ChatGPT, just go for something. Because this is not something you want to be left behind in. Yeah, AI is getting used nearly everywhere now. Like when it comes to our phones, to our computers, it is like it's everywhere.

Yeah.

And I would just add to that, Jordan, by saying that it's as, it's as easy as using Google. So if you're using Google, it's that easy, but so much more beneficial. So not only do you have the potential, no matter how much of a Luddite you are or how non tech savvy you are, you have the potential to use it. And, and in fact you have the potential to teach others how to use it.

I love it. I love it. And you know, like, like Kaz said and I think we'll, we'll wrap everything up with this he said Generative AI is here to stay. And we couldn't agree more. So, Kaz and Sam Keller, thank you so much for joining the Everyday AI show. Appreciate it very much.

All right. Love being on your show.

All right.

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