Dr. Paul Savage: Are You A Toxic Entrepreneur?

From signing 10,000 death certificates as an ER doctor to nearly becoming one himself, only at the age of 38. Dr. Paul Savage, who's our guest today on the show, he thought he knew medicine, but that wasn't until he discovered that there's an invisible threat affecting every single American and most people around the world. And also he broke this to me, this blew my mind, that today There are over 150,000 toxins in our environment. A lot of those actually are inside our homes, inside our offices. He actually said that one of the first symptoms that you see are diseases like cancer or Alzheimer's and these things that are happening a lot sooner in people's lives. But the thing is, he actually came out of retirement. This guy is an entrepreneur at heart. He's done, what, three startups now, and he actually came out of retirement to solve this problem. And he figured out a way to basically give an oil change to your body to reverse a lot of this stuff. And it's pretty mind blowing. The stats and the studies that are coming out that show that this is working are blowing a lot of people's minds. And it's really cool. So he talks about how the first thing you got to do is you need to actually make this thing not invisible. You need to test it, you need to get the data. That's actually what I'm doing right now. I'm waiting for my results. But he is giving you the opportunity to do the same. So his company, MD Lifespan, is awesome. I actually work closely with them, so I've got to learn a lot about what they do over the last year or so. And pretty soon I'll share my toxin test results. But he wanted to give you a really great opportunity to get a good chunk of money off on their toxin test and talk package. He's saying everyone's gotta get these data points on themselves, so you know what you're up against. In this world, that's very toxic and it's only getting worse. So again, us as entrepreneurs, we're always optimizing everything. You gotta optimize yourself. And, you know, I went a little longer right now because this means a lot to me. And I've learned how this can really change a lot of lives. And, you know, my family has been affected by cancers and early, you know, heart issues and things like that that have knocked a lot of my loved ones out of life way too early. So do this. This is why I love having Dr. Savage on. This is the second episode he's been on. I think it's about a year ago. So if you want to go learn even more about him, then go check it out on the podcast or over@hustleandfluidchart.com all right, enjoy the episode here with Dr. Paul Savage.

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Yeah, it has. Joe, thanks. Thanks for having me on again. It looked. I look forward to catching up and I look forward to talking to your entrepreneurs and giving them some really good sound advice.

You did the last time you left an impact for me. You know, we talked a little bit, I think, about microplastics then. Now it's become much more of a conversation. Just toxins in general, high performance. You know, how we actually are in control of our own being. And yeah, you are doing the work. You're on the front line. You've been on the front lines for a lot of years.

Three decades now.

Yeah.

So yelling for three decades about protect your health, protect your sleep, manage your stress, clean up your life, clean up your environment. You got to.

Well, let's take us back, because I doubt everyone's heard the first episode we did, which was great, and I recommend it. It'll be linked up, it'll be easy to find. But take me back to the ER doctor days where you were overwhelmed, you were stressed, you were smoking, you were doing all these things that I know you're not doing now. What was the moment that you had that shift, that change?

Well, you know, coming out of a small Midwestern town and into a big metropolis of Detroit was shock enough, but after having gone through medical school and I did my training at the world's largest trauma center in Detroit, and it was, you know, it's a war zone. I mean, to be honest, it was the 1980s. That's right. It was the mirror capital of the world. And that's where I got my training. And I went on to become the attending at night on some of the largest trauma centers in the world. In the course of 10 years, I signed 10,000 death certificates. It was an intense job, and I really didn't learn a lot of stress management techniques. So I was so into my job that I put everything else in second. I didn't work out because I worked the night shift. I would get home at 8am and I might have two or three cocktails to wind myself down. I smoked because I was stressed at work. By the time I finished the 10 years, I'd gone from £150 up to £267. My whole family dies by 65 from heart disease. So at that point, it was. I went to my doctors and he was like, you know, you're really unhealthy. I was like, yeah. He goes, I'm going to tell you, you're going to have a heart attack in the next seven years if you don't do something different. Forget about making 60, 65. You're never going to get close. And I really took that to heart. And I went, you know what? He's right. And he said the magic words that every doctor says, every patient, you need to eat better and get some exercise. I walked out of his place, and I realized in minutes I didn't know how to do that. I was never the sports guy. I was Always the book guy, you know, and I was always. And I never had problems with weight but in the 10 years I put on all that weight from all this stress and everything that was going on and not sleeping well and all these different things, I had a laundry list of medical problems. By the time I'm 38, including heart disease. 38 and seven different medicines. I was like, I gotta do something different. But I literally had to go back to school, I had to find a nutritionist, I had to find an exercise coach. Then, then I had to find some doctors who would actually educate me on what it means to be health and well like Andy Weil and Pam Smith and some of the people Ornish and Pritkins. I got taught by the best and I took all. And I'm a data aggregator so that's my whole entrepreneur. Everybody goes, what do you build? Anything that has to do with me using data to make something better. So I took all that information and my physiologic change in the year was incredible. I lost 70 pounds of fat, put on 30 pounds of muscles. But the most prominent thing was the lights came back on. And that's all I can tell you is up to that point I was living in a cycle like a hamster. And I'd get up and go to work, I'd do stuff, I'd come home, I'd be tired and go to bed, get up. And I really didn't give a crap about much of anything. It was just work and all work. And I really was unhappy and I was short tempered and I was angry and I didn't have any relationships that were really bonded to me because I was too much into my work. And through all this process then I got so much better. I went into the emergency room one day and said, I'm leaving, I'm giving you my notice. And I've a big high position. They're like, what are you going to go do? I said I'm going to go open a clinic for guys and teach guys how to get healthy. And they're like, insurance doesn't pay for that. I said no, they're going to pay cash. And like nobody will pay cash for that long. And that's the whole thing is I left in early 2000 and by 2006 I, I had 70 centers nationwide called Body Logic FD and I was treating guys and women, teaching them nutrition and exercise and hormone replacement and all the things that we knew about that time to get yourself healthy. And I had a great time building it. By the Time we got up to 70 centers. My business partner, who was my brother, didn't want to build a software system and we needed that to grow further. We just didn't have the technology at the point. This was 2007. So I ended up selling my shares to him and I went out and built a software company. Now, the interesting thing is in building all the 70 centers, I lost my health again. I got so into the work. I got so into the project, my exercise got pushed out of the way. I pretty much started eating on the fly again. And it wasn't very long until I'm up over £200, £230 again, and not feeling in great shape. And by the time I left Body Logic, Body Logic MD was named the company. By the time I left it, I spent about six months doing nothing except getting my bearings back to why did I slip up. And the answer is very, very easy. Mindfulness. I forgot to keep myself first. And my habit is to always put work first. And I know that's a lot of the guys and a lot of the women out there are doing the same thing. They forget there's an order to the universe. And whether you believe in a God or a higher power, let me tell you something. There's something bigger than you. And we can all agree that a community, something's bigger than you, above you. Then there's you, and then there's your family and friends, and then there's work and everything else. And if you don't keep that order in alignment, you're going to get sick. And that's what I did. I put work at the top of the list and then everything above me. So I got sick again. So I had to go back and reconstruct everything I did before. Luckily, the habits were there. I lost them, but they came back relatively simple. As soon as I realized what I was doing wrong and I got healthy again. And then I went out and built a software company and we had 6 million users. And I sold that off. Then I went out and built 27 centers more, and I sold those off. And then I retired at 60, feeling pretty damn good about myself, having done a lot in the world of medicine on proving vitamins work, getting steroids out of the steroid act, proving, you know, proving these lab tests for your GI system and the microbiome actually are functional. And you need to know what your gut is if you want to know what you are. And putting all of these things together with two university fellowship programs to teach other doctors how to do this, it Was an amazing trip. I thought, you know, I'm going to go retire into Brazil now. I'm going to lie in the sun and we're going to think of what to do next. That's kind of where the story starts.

MD lifespan. That's where we're at now. And it said behind you. And then I've been doing some work with you. So I do know it quite well and it's fascinating. You know, when we first had that first conversation on this show, I didn't know as much. But now, and pretty soon I'll be, I'll be getting the toxin test done, which I know that's something that you offer as well. It's kind of like the starting point. Right. And we'll talk about that shortly. I don't want to, I don't want to leave there yet because I want to talk about setting the scene because it seemed like you had a shift. You, you know, and that laying on the beach out there in Brazil, feeling good, eating healthy food. Right. Toxin free food for the most part.

I'm sure, pretty much. And.

The nutrient value of the food in Brazil is twice as high as that in the United States. Wow. Because they don't use pesticides, they don't use herbicides. They sell, rotate and burn crops. They do all the right things to keep the ground healthy that we don't do in the United States. We just keep plowing it over and adding ammonia nitrate and basically we're depleted the soil. We. Which is why it's really the real quick story is when we bought our house and we bought it furnished, but the furnishing of the kitchen was only a pot and two forks. That's what we had in pot. So we went out to the store because nothing was open and we bought some chicken. We thought we're going to boil chicken, right? We just boiled the chicken. Just simple, best flavored chicken you've ever had. I mean, it was years before I'm like, holy. We're about looking at each other like, holy crap, this is so good.

Looks like a different color and everything, huh?

Well, I mean, it's just, you know, the fact is our eggs in Brazil are orange. On the inside here they're a pale yellow. It's true. The chicken there is juicy and it tastes like chicken here. It's kind of like dried cardboard. You get a chicken breast and it's like that doesn't have really any good flavor to it because we pack all these chickens together, we give them a whole bunch of antibiotic steroids yet in Brazil, they don't do any of that stuff. And so it's just the difference between the fruits, when you put them in your mouth and they explode and the fruits here, you put them. And it's obvious, but. And it happens with every traveler who leaves the United States. If you go to France or any of the European Union because they don't use any of the toxins and those in their food chain either, or South America almost entirely is out of that loop because they don't let Dupont, Dow, Monsanto, any of those guys in there. And you sit there and you eat the food and you just realize what a difference. Has it changed in the last 30 years in the United States? And food is your best medicine. If you don't have good quality food, you're not doing what you need to do to keep yourself healthy. I mean, that's the first line of therapy against everything bad.

Yeah, every day. And I can relate. I remember going, spending some time in Spain. Even Morocco had chicken there. Yeah, the eggs are all yellow. The chicken tastes completely different because it was farmed right there in Moroccan. The house and property had cut off and cooked. And it was amazing.

You can still get that quality food here that I say, but you have to know where to purchase it.

Absolutely.

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Yes, yes. That's what took you out of retirement. Not to burst the bubble here, but, you know, we have a toxin crisis and I've learned it a lot from you, but I mean, let's just flip on any kind of media at this point. It's being talked about big media, small media, all of the above. So tell me about. I read a stat and I think it was from you, but also I've checked it in other places, like 144,000 different toxins that are in our environment.

We're over 150,000 now in our environment. And we're over 200 billion tons of chemicals dumped in America alone every year.

Jeez. So what?

Taking that number for a minute. 200 billion tons.

2 billion tons.

200 billion tons of chemicals are used in the United States on a farmland every year.

And I think it was our last chat you talked about how it was like the middle of America, but it's expanding out and it's. That what you're speaking about.

I mean, if we're talking about the pesticides, herbicides, it's. It started in the, in the Ohio Valley, right? Mississippi Valley, and now it's gone worldwide. If you're talking about the industrial chemicals like the pfas, that started on the coast and it's going inward. So it really depends on which toxin you're talking about, on how it got distributed through the United States. But you look at the statistics in the world, most polluted countries, the United States, China and the UAE are one, two and three last. We're dead last.

So what do we do about that? I mean, that's a loaded question, of course.

Well, I mean, what we have to do about that is get knowledge around so that people start understanding what Stephen Hawking said before he died. Stephen Hawking was interviewed about a month before he died and they asked him, why? What is the most existential threat to mankind? Is it AI? And he said no. He said climate change? No. Nuclear war? No. What is it? He goes, pollution and our stupidity to it. And the problem is we passed that milestone 10 years ago. In other words, he's right about 2015, things changed and the level of toxins in our environment came to be such a point that now everybody in America is toxic. Even the government will admit that when they talk about the forever chemicals. 99% of people have a forever chemical. That's a PFA. PFAs are things like things that make things nonstick and not greasy. But the problem is it's a chain of carbon atoms with a fluoride on the bottom. And the thing about you can't break it down, that's impossible to break. That's why it makes it so slippery. And once it's in you, you can't get rid of it. It's forever a chemical in you. And up to this point, even on the CDC website talking about pfas, they say there is no way to get them out. The best that you can do is avoid putting them in. But there's now 200,000 PFAs in our environment and that's gone up from 5,000 in the last four years.

Oh my gosh. So it's not slowing down, I would imagine.

Right. It's actually ramping up. And that's the problem is in the next 10 years we're going to double the toxicity of every American. Now we did a study in Chicago of 500 healthy people between the age of 45 and 70 and we measured their toxins, half women, half men, out of 100 of the most common toxins. Now get this, we can only measure 100 out of 150,000. Okay. So we're measuring one less than 1.1,000th of a percent of the. Of the whole thing. Yeah, and sorry, one tenth of a percent of the whole thing. And the average number of toxins in people 10 years ago was 3. The average number of toxins per person now is 13 out of 100 that they have in levels that are considered higher than optimum, you know, whatever, optimum zero.

These ranges have changed in the last 20 years because every time the government measures this scale, they up the numbers and now that becomes a normal range. But if we compare the numbers of today from 40 years ago, everybody is like super toxic. That's the part that I'm trying to get out to. The message to people is you don't know what toxins you have in you because you know what the first symptom of toxins are?

What is it?

Cancer. Alzheimer's, Heart attack is your first symptom is a disease.

Yeah. Bad one too. Yeah, and a bad one.

I mean it's like I have. That's why we're seeing the cancer in the 50 year olds that we've never seen before. And these cancer are highly aggressive out of the gate.

Is there a common type of cancer that you're seeing pop up earlier?

The gastric cancers are the ones that are. We started seeing the most now three years ago, the government put out a notice that we're starting to see gastric cancers, stomach, esophageal, colon, in people under the age of 50 that we'd never seen before. And they're much more aggressive. There were four cancers they listed. The next year they listed 17 cancers that are much. And this year they're going to be listing about 36 cancers and the number is going to keep going up because toxins are inducing every sort of cancer because toxins are by nature carcinogens.

It's almost like there's, I'm thinking of like entrepreneurs like us and the ones listening, watching. We optimize so much in our life. You, you know, and that's kind of where we like we get so sucked into. Let's, let's make it better or let's solve these problems. But this is an invisible threat that we are living in. We're consuming It. How do we. It's so hard to overlook this, but we just don't see it. So it's. I find it so difficult as well, you know, 100%.

I mean, 40 years ago we used to talk about hypertension being the silent killer because people didn't take their blood pressure. People really didn't know. Then we talked about diabetes being the silent killer because people had low grade because type 2 diabetes didn't exist 60 years ago. Really, it's been a phenomenon of the last 60 years which is probably also linked to the toxins as well. But then we talked about diabetes being the silent killer. But now we know people measure their blood sugar. So the common thread between an unknown threat becoming a known threat is measuring it. And that's what people aren't doing yet. They're not measuring their toxins. If they measured their toxins, then you can act.

So describe how things are measured because I know MD lifespan. You and your whole team, you have a test for this, the toxin test. I know you also have. I don't know if you even want. Let's describe it. But I also want to quickly just tell people, here's a way to go get it, but lay the scene. What is it? How does it work?

Toxin testing. You can test anything. You can test your saliva, your blood, your urine, your stool, your hair. It doesn't really matter which way you do it. Just make sure that you do a validated lab and you have Reputin. I can list a dozen different ones. Now we have a test that's listed on our website that gives you 109 different of the most common toxins of the whole spectrum. And we talk about PFAs and we're talking about heavy metals, mold, toxins, phthalates, phenols, volatile chemicals. You get the whole broad spectrum. They can do with a simple urine test at home. You get up, you pee in the cup, in the morning, you send the tube off. Four weeks later you get a report with 110 different toxins.

Got it? I mean, that's easy enough. So maybe, yeah, you're going to find out, I'm going to report back. I'll probably time it out. I'll either put it in this episode as an intro or splice it in something. I'll be sharing my results as well. As long as I'm not super frightened by them, I try to live well.

The average number of toxins. The average number of toxins in the Chicagoland area was 13, with five of them being in the above 95 percentile and eight of them being in the 75 and percent and above this. So anything above 75% is where we start talking about you're in the upper percentiles of these level of toxins as compared to other Americans in the world or in the United States. But there's a difference also between looking at the various toxins because some toxins are worse than other toxins. The toxins that are carcinogens and the ones that cause oxidative stress and mitochondrial damage, they're by far the worst. But there's also ones that mess with your hormones. There's ones that burn cellular membranes. There's one that, you know, there's just a whole, that's what we call them toxins because they're bad. Now it's really important to understand that 20 years ago the toxicology world only talked about you had mercury toxic or you had PFA toxics or you had a mold toxin. They never talked about what was. There were some people back then that were calling about multi chemical sensitivities. Mcs. They were like, ah, that doesn't exist. Now it's here. Nobody has just one toxin anymore. Nobody, everybody has a dozen or more. And the problem is to get out one toxin you have to do this and get out another toxin, you have to do that and, and it's a long, laborious, drawn out procedure. And then you have to follow one type of treatment by another type of treatment. And that's what became overwhelming for everybody in the toxicology world is we have this multitoxic world now with people having multitoxins and understand. Let me give you a real quick example. Would you rather be attacked by a five foot or by a five foot guy or by 150,000 three foot guys?

150,000.

You rather have 153 guys? No. Come on.

No.

You can take out one guy, you're never going to take out 150,000.

Oh, that's what I meant. That's what I meant. Yeah, yeah.

And that's what we're dealing with today. We're not dealing with you having one toxin, we're dealing with you having a little bit of all of them. And that's what everybody has now. And that's what we call a toxic burden. We stop talking about mercury toxin and mold toxin. What we talk about people now is what's your toxic burden? Because a little bit of this and a little bit of this, a little bit of this, a little bit of that adds up to a lot of crap. And it all acts synergistically against your body.

Got it. Okay.

And there was never one way to take them all out until we came up with our protocol. And now we have them discovered and patented, and we're branching out. We came up with a protocol that virtually, safely, effectively, minimally, invasively and universally removes all toxins. So if you're afraid that you're going to get Alzheimer's because you have toxins or Parkinson's, we can get rid of them. If you're afraid your DNA is that you're going to get cancer and you're worried about your talk, we can get rid of them. I mean, we can do all these things. You got heart disease in your family, and you know that toxins and microplastics. Did you know that if you have microplastics in your arteries, which one out of two out of three guys do, your risk for heart disease goes up 450%.

I was actually going to bring up microplastics because I did not know that.

That'S a. Two thirds of men. Or is that everyone?

That's right. Three thirds of the 1 has microplastics in their artery, which is increasing their risk for heart disease by 450%.

And heart disease is the number one killer currently, correct?

Correct. Although the Alzheimer's and the cancers in the world are coming up fast because we're not seeing heart disease yet in the younger people. It will be coming because of the obesity and everything. But we are seeing Alzheimer's at a 400% increase in the group under 50. And we're seeing the cancers at a huge increase, especially the gastrointestinal cancers at a rapid rate that we can't even keep up with. Even though cancer therapies are prolonging people's lives, and we're getting better at treating them in people who are older. These cancers that are occurring in these younger people are not the same cancers. These are highly aggressive, stage four terminal cancers that are presenting. Terminal.

Yeah, yeah. There's no other way.

And this is the part that I tell everybody, go get your. I mean, this is the first time ever the United States government and ever dropped the age requirement for colonoscopies to 45. Yeah. Because we were missing so many people between the age of 45 and 50. And then they dropped mammograms to 40 because we're missing so many breast cancers because of all the BPA and all the other estrogen blockering hormones. I mean, this is people. And if people like, you know, autism here's another thing that they talk about all the time. Autism used to be 1 in 2500 kids back in 1960. It's now 1 in 36 kids today. And they're saying, that's because we're diagnosing it better. Bullshit. That's because the most susceptible person on the planet is the unborn child. You expose the unborn child. We know that on average, the unborn child is exposed to 270 chemicals and they have microplastics and their first poop, their meconium. So we know that these toxins get across the barrier on a child that's in the developmental stage.

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I don't know if surprise or anger is a better word. I get frustrated when I, when, when, when it's like, people, this is the data, and they're like, well, it's not the toxins. Well, what else could it be? Yeah, and the answer is, you know, until, but until recently, until we came up with the process of removing toxins, now we can actually start doing studies to see how prevalent the toxins are in causing this. Because to do a study, you got to do one of two things. Take two healthy groups and make one group toxin and watch them going forward, which is unethical. We're never going to do that. Right? Or take two groups that are toxin, make one toxin free, which we've never been able to do before until now, and then watch them go forward. Now we can start doing the studies on moving these things forward to show how dangerous the toxins are to every individual on every different plane.

This is just. It's a threat. It's an invisible threat. But it comes in many forms like you described. I mean, it's literally in every piece of our environment. I mean, and, and so remember, Joe.

Blood pressure used to be invisible threat. Diabetes used to be an invisible threat. It's invisible because we didn't measure it.

Yes. There wasn't data.

It's not an invisible threat. We can measure it now.

Good point.

We can tell you what your microplastics are, we can tell you what your heavy metals, what your, what your PFA is. We can tell you all this and then we can tell you how to keep yourself clean or if you need to, how to do plasmapheresis to get rid of this. Now, the one thing that our group did, and I'm working with 27 of the best national authorities on toxicology and functional medicine and apheresis. I got some of the most brilliant minds from Harvard and John Hopkins and from all of, and we're all working together on this project because we see the potential in this, we see the potential for the first time in our lifetime to reverse the toxic threat on people. And what we're noticing with our protocol, because our protocol is more than just plasma exchange. It's plasma exchange with avoidance and supplements and nutrients and other things that we have to do to optimize people's well being. And because of that, we can, for the first time, ever give people a chance to proceed forward without the risk that these chemicals are posing on everyone.

That's right. So in the first episode, I know we talked a lot about the avoidance side of toxins. That, that was a big one. And you could revisit that. I'm curious if you could just like, because there's the avoid inside, but that obviously doesn't do what's already inside of you, you know, And I want to then kind of turn the table and really go into what your plasma exchange protocol does. So let's start with the avoidant side, just high level.

Well, I mean the avoidance side, real high level is filter your water, filter your air, clean your food, get rid of the chemicals and, and look at all your consumer products.

And we'll have links for you that people can go on to our website and download all these guidebooks. Because what we want to do is show you these simple steps for less than $5,000 if you did all of them, is going to clean up your environment incredibly well and prevent you and your kids and your loved ones from getting sick down the road.

Yes, that's good.

That's the big thing that we try to teach everyone. So the plasma exchange is something that is a little frightening for you because a lot of people haven't heard of it before. Sure. Plasma exchange is simply an oil change for humans. Now if you want to get old car Clean. That has been upkept for a while. You change the oil, put new oil in, run it around the block for a couple of weeks, take out the dirty oil again, put new oil and run it around the block a couple of weeks and keep doing this whole thing over and over to the oil starts running clean, correct?

Yep, yep, that's it.

Now, some of your younger kids may go, what do you mean, oil change? But that's how you do an oil change on a car. And that's what you do before you do anything else on an old car, is you just keep changing the oil to get it clean. That's exactly what plasmapheresis is. You come into the office, you're here for a couple hours. We put an IV in, just like a plasma donation. We separate the blood into the two components, the cells and the plasma, which is the liquid part. We throw the liquid part away, we give you a different liquid part called albumin, we give it back to you, and within 24 hours, you, your body, your cells, makes new, fresh, non toxic, non inflamed pure plasma. And we basically gave you an oil change. And then we let you go run around for about four weeks and then we bring you back and we do it again. And then we let you go out for about four weeks and you come back and we do it again. We do that three to five times, depending on how toxic you are. And that's what plasmapheresis is. It's been around for 50 years. It's used for 167 different disease states. People are like, why didn't I never hear about this before? Because it's not a primary therapy for anything. We use it for a third and fourth line therapy for things like Guillain Barre, which is a paralyzing that comes from a virus, or long Covid is the most common one, or autoimmune problems. That's most commonly what we use platinum exchange for. And also it's very important to realize when I'm talking about plasma exchange, I'm talking about plasma exchange with albumin, not with somebody else's plasma. So we're giving you a commercial product, we're not giving you a blood product.

And that's what I was going to ask is can you define what albumin is? I looked it up. I want to hear from, from you here.

Albumin is the most common protein that you have in your body and it's a carrier for a bunch of stuff because your body, your blood is water. And there's a lot of things that are fat that float around, and there's. They can hide inside albumin. So the albumin protects them so they can float through the river. But albumin also grabs toxins, and it wraps itself around them so that it doesn't interact with the body.

So it's also shielding it in a.

Way, what we call sequesters. It kind of hides it away and traps it.

Gotcha.

But it also directs it into fat cells and tells the toxins to get out of the way and hides them in different places, too. So albumin is an incredibly important protein to people. Now, the albumin that we use is commercial albumin. So if somebody had a plasma, but it's been stopped on and purified and radiated and everything killed, and all we're giving you back is essentially the human protein part. So that's also what we call osmotic. So it means it sucks in water and it keeps the vascular space open until you make enough plasma the next day that you replace. Like I said, Joe, this procedure is safe. Minimal side effects. Um, it's been around for 50 years. There's a machine, and people can go to our YouTube page or our LinkedIn page, and they can see the whole video of what the machine looks like and what the whole process is like, because, yeah, you know, you walk in and you hear this big whirling machine going on behind you. Like, wow, what's going on here? You know, your blood's leaving your body and getting clean and coming back in. But it's a real simple procedure. Matter of fact, I just had my fourth one done about two days ago. I got a little bruise here and a little tiny bruise here because I was the first patient two years ago that went through the process.

Wow.

I had 17 toxins above the 75 range. After three different plasma changes, plus our protocol, I was down to six. Six months later, I was down to four. A year later, I was down to three, and then this one. Two years I met two years now and down to two. But the two that were remaining were PFAs of Forever Chemicals, which don't come out short of plasma chains. So we're training some new nurses because we have six new centers coming going live, and so they're trained here in Chicago. And so I volunteered to be one of the dummy guinea pigs. We'll get you on that next time.

I would love to. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I'm like, I will be getting this treatment, so I'll report back that as well. And, I mean, I'm Just thinking of what this can do. We mentioned microplastics, you know, removing those from arteries. I mean, just. I can almost visualize that, you know, just the idea of microplastics and like, oh, this can actually remove them. So. But obviously there's way more toxins than just microplastics floating around there.

In all honesty, if you're. Hey, Dr. Savage. Name the top five toxins that you're afraid of. Microplastics are number one.

Okay.

They're linked to everything bad. They come in all different sizes. They go down to the DNA size, what we call nanoparticles. And so they're interfering with the DNA things. They're as particle size, so that they're causing inflammation. They act as invaders, so they're suppressing the immune system. I mean, they act on all sorts of different levels. On every single level. They're bad for your cells.

Yeah, yeah. And I'm sure there's many toxins within the microplastics themselves.

Yeah. Right now we can measure nine different microplastics, and there's thousands of different microplastics in the universe.

Gotcha. Yeah. I started to learn about this from you guys and working with you, Yen, and. And I had what idea? Living Aqua True. You know, they. I had one of the represent. Yeah, Helen from there, she was on.

The show, which is one of the ones we recommend. I remember, if you have an above the counter one, get Aqua True. Because it really does remove the vast majority of the toxins. And you. I get. I only drink out of stainless steel. You got your stainless steel, hard rubber top. This is Klean Kanteen.

Yep.

And we have a triple filter reverse osmosis here in the office. I have one at home. I have one in Brazil, and that's all. And I go everywhere with my water. I don't drink water. Because water is your number one toxin.

Number one. Wow.

Then the food is next, and then your environment, air in your house is third. And people don't realize, but the air inside your office and the air inside your home is 500 times, 500% worse than the air outside.

Is that just because cycling through all the different things that's passing through machines?

Partly because we use chemicals in the house and they stay on the floor and the walls, and then they slowly seep off into the air. The other part is every fabric has chemicals like phthalates, and they just slowly stink up the air around you too. Then there's the mold and mold spores and mold seeds, and they just circulate. They there's everything in your house. You close up your house, you crank up the heat, and now you're in a sweat box with chemicals. You're literally sucking them into your body with all the heat and the way that you're increasing the surface, you know, the surface tension and the absorption of your skin by dilating all the veins. And you're just, and you're breathing it in, it's all respiratory, you're swallowing it, it's going through your gut. And I tell people all the time, if you're going to do anything and you can't afford much, buy a HEPA filter for your bedroom because at least that's eight hours of your day in one room that you're going to be in. So that's if you're only can afford a HEPA for one room. Put it in your bedrooms, you got two, you can afford to put the other one in your office.

I need to get one.

Whenever you can. Open the doors, open the doors, open the windows and air it out. Because the air outside is safer than the air inside.

That's a great takeaway right there. I'm going to go buy a couple more filters, HEPA filters. I actually moved mine from my room to my infant at the time. She's a one year old now. I'm like, okay, got to give you the fresh air. Yeah.

So let me give you the real exciting news of what we're doing. We got some really good developments in the last two months.

Cool. Hit me.

We've now taken the plasma procedure because we don't do just plasma change. We teach people avoidance, we have supplements, we have different medications that makes it 200% better than just plasma exchange alone. And we have the data. It's going to be published here where very shortly in a peer reviewed major journal. We're looking at probably next month that we have three articles coming out on heavy metal, microplastics, environmental toxins.

Whoa.

But what our group did is, okay, now we got the toxins out. We know it causes Alzheimer's, we know it causes brain dysfunction, neurodegenerative disease. Why don't we take some patients and why don't we take the toxins out and then why don't we start doing some regenerative therapies afterwards. Here's how it works. All of these neurodegenerative diseases are basically a fight, a battle that's going on inside, let's say the brain over toxins versus your immune system, with your brain cells being the damaged collateral. But as long as the battle's going on and the fire is raging, the healing can't take place. The foresters don't go in to plant the trees when the trees are on fire. That's why all you get is this degeneration. We've known from a study in 2020 on Alzheimer's that. That they gave people TPE with Alzheimer's, and 62% of them did not progress in their disease for over a year. It basically stalled the progression of Alzheimer's. We don't even have a drug that does that at this point. But they do have it with a serial plasma exchange. So we base our protocol on that, plus the supplements and neuropeptides and other things that regenerate the cells afterwards. And we've had six patients so far that we've improved their Memory score over 40%.

Memory score.

Wow. So literally, their cognition. We do it by what's called the CNS vital sign. It's a validated test where we measure your cognition, your verbal memory, your visual memory, your motor skills, all these different things. And we've seen a 40% improvement in neurocognition, flexibility, executive function, and memory.

Wow. So if we're talking about, like, just entrepreneurs listening, I mean, this is like, total performance.

Not only do we know that taking the toxins out will slow the progression and onset of the disease early in the disease, we appear to have the ability to remove these toxins, turn off the fire, repair the cells, and we're a year out. And our gentleman who's a year out just did his anesthetic score and with an 18% further improvement in his medical in his memory score. Now, this is observational data, but we have this for cognitive decline. We've taken six patients with early cancer markers. We reverted all of them to negative within three treatments. We've taken people who have HIV, and their CD4 counts are falling under 400 on medications, and we've been able to increase their CD4 counts to 700 by just doing plasma exchange. So we've taken people with early heart disease or not, sorry, advanced heart disease, who are maxed out on their medicine and still progressing because of inflammation and oxidation. We've been able to neutralize that and show regression in the soft plaque. So not only can we stop the progression and the threat of toxins early on, it looks, and it appears from our observational data that we can actually reverse the damage once we turn the toxins off. Now, disclaimer. This is all observational data on our patients. And we are, however, the great news, we've just been approved for our research arm. It's a irb, non for profit. So we have a company being set up where people can. Well, people will come and donate. We have, we need about $3 million to prove that we can reverse early cognitive decline, which we know we can do.

Oh yeah.

We need $2.7 million to prove we can remove toxins from all the moms before they get pregnant with their kids.

Yep. Yep.

We need $2.6 million to prove that we can get taxes out of everybody at every stage. I mean, it's the amount of money needed to look at these disease states for the first time and go, we have a solution here. It's going to cost a couple million dollars. We're very excited because we have a lot of people looking to contribute tax free dollars to this research arm. The data is compelling. We have a data research company that published all of our data out of the University of Chicago. It was an off branch of them. I don't test the data, it goes to them. They do all of our analysis, they do all their paper writing. They've been studying Alzheimer's and heart disease for 40 years. They have said publicly that they've never seen changes that we've been showing in the last two years in the area of heart disease and Alzheimer's. We have a neurologist from Jacksonville who's very well known with a very prestigious football team who said he's never seen these kind of reversals in his patients. We got a cardio. We have three different cardiologists that are saying they've never seen changes like this. And what we're doing is that the people with end stage cardiovascular disease, we have HIV doctors who said they'd never seen anybody like this, where we've increased their CD four counts, doubled it within about four months and a year later these people are still at these levels. We have an obstetrics doctor who has publicly said she is absolutely certain we remove the toxins from mom, you're going to have a toxin free baby. Which, what does that mean? Maybe it means less autism rate, less adhd, less spectrum disease. We all think that this is, we think we're on to something huge here. Because if the toxins are the cause of chronic inflammation, and they are, once you remove them, you turn off chronic inflammation, you turn off chronic inflammatory diseases, which is everything.

Bad inflammation is horrible. Yeah, that is the thing. And you can do as much as you can with food and you should, but when you're talking about if you.

Don'T get the toxins out, you don't turn off the fire. This is what we've known for a long time. I can give you supplements, antioxidants, and anti inflammatories which negate the inflammation and the oxidation, but it doesn't take care of the fact that the toxins are there causing the damage.

Oh, man. Yeah.

The only way to do that is to get the toxins out, and then the inflammation and oxidation go away.

Anyway, I can see. I was going to ask you, hey, do you have any, you know, big transformation, you know, things that we. You just gave me about 20 or 30. I don't know how many that was. And I'm so excited about the nonprofit side of testing because I think that's going to help get the word out. And if anyone listening, watching, I mean, go reach out to MD lifespan.com. and if you want to get involved, I'm just saying this on your phone.

Well, I'll point them to the not for Profit. That's a separate organization that's managing the donation and the research funding. I don't have anything to do with it. I'm the guy that they paid to do the plasma exchange. But we're doing it. We're doing it at. Not profit at this point because we just want our physicians. Like I said, we're opening six new centers in the next two months. We have 20 centers that we're doing in this, this whole year. And our whole group has dedicated themselves to make sure we're a public benefit corporation. By the way, that's how serious we are about serving the public. We will not make a profit. We will serve the public. This is so many doctors in so many centers. We don't want to make a profit. We want to show that we can make an impact for the first time in our life on the greatest existential threat to mankind, which is the toxin. So I have just a group of doctors who are real.

Excited and thrilled to be able to say we're part of something here that nobody's ever been, that nobody's ever seen before.

Oh, yeah. Well, and this is why. I mean, partially self. I just want to see you on more podcasts. I want to see you on more media because of what you're about talking, talking about. And I'm just going to say it right here because, you know, if you. If this is landing with anyone listening, because I know a lot of you are watching, have your own media. And this isn't something that's just a. You know this is a medical topic, or this is like, why does he have him on this entrepreneurial business show? It's we're humans.

Three of the top mold doctors in the country now recommend MD lifespan for their patients who have mold toxicity.

Good. Good.

I mean, so it's like. And these are the people that for years were told, it's not real. You don't have it. You're just tired. You're just malingering. And I used to be one of those docs. Thirty years ago, they used to tell these people, yeah, this is bullshit. And now I look at all these patients, I've seen them for 30 years, and I realized how wrong we were to classify them. And whether it's mold toxicity or people with chronic Lymes or people with chronic infections, the problem with those, most of the people like, with HIV patients is, is their immune system has been so crippled by the toxins that they can't mount the proper defense. And there's plenty of research out there to show this is true. There was a study where they gave people arsenic, and then 90 days later, 90% were better. They gave them Lyme. 90 days later, 90% were Better. They gave them Lyme and then arsenic. 90 days, 90% were Better. But then they gave them arsenic and then Lyme, and 90 days later, 90% of them are sick with chronic fatigue.

Whoa.

Because once the arsenic knocks out the immune system and then you give them an infection, that's the setup for chronic fatigue. And you won't get people out of chronic fatigue, infectious chronic fatigue, by just treating the Lyme. You gotta treat the toxin first because that's what came first.

Ah, okay. And I'm sure that's the storyline for all these toxins, you know, is for.

All these toxins, the toxins come first, and then people get an immune suppressant. The toxins come first, and then they get cancer. The toxin comes first, then they get neurodegenerative. Here's the magic sentence. Toxins take you out where your DNA is the weakest.

Yep.

So if your family history is cancer, that's what the toxins are going to do for you. If your family history is Alzheimer's, that's what the toxins are going to do for you. If your family history is heart disease, that's what Dr. They're going to expedite. Cause that's what chronic inflammation does.

That's right.

The expression of that disease in you.

I gotcha. Yeah. Cause there's, you know, in my family and also my wife's family, There are a couple markers that. And after working or as you know, as we've been working together, and I keep listening and thinking and learning, I'm like, we both need this, you know, the plasma exchange. And I mean, there's just so many other folks that just have no clue this is even possible.

Honestly, Joe, you may or may not need plasma exchange. It depends on what your toxic level and what your DNA is. But you don't know unless you measure.

There you go.

That's the point. I mean, just like you might need diabetic medicine or diabetic therapy, you might or might not need medicine for your blood pressure or different. You don't know until you measure it. The message, I want to make sure all the entrepreneurs here, for everybody who cares about their family, loved one and every about them is go get your toxins tested. I don't care where. You can come to our website. We have a very comprehensive test. Plus it involves 30 minutes with one of our doctors, not staff members, not nurse. You get our doctors to talk to you for 30 minutes about what that means for you.

Got it?

But you don't know until you measure.

So everybody go measure yourselves. I'm getting mine done. I'll report back. And I know there's a little special deal that your team is working on as well.

Well, yeah, always for your team. Always for your team. They're going to be a code. They'll be 100% off or $100 off that, whatever that code is. My team works great with you. Yeah.

Thank you. Yeah. And it's either shown on the screen, probably there, and it'll be linked up, it'll be easy to find. So jump on that. There might even be a limit, who knows? But either way, Savage and the crew are hooking you up. Now, I'm curious, what's the bigger vision of what you can tell us with MD lifespan? Because obviously it plucked you out of retirement. It's only becoming more of a thing. It's in the media. What's driving you, let's say, for the next decade? If you feel like that's.

I'll be. I'll be honest. This is not my first startup. This is my third. I expect to be here about another two years before we're taken over by somebody bigger cats. I'm not going to be able to carry this as an individual or my team to where it needs to go. Where does it need to go? It needs to end up in traditional medicine so that every obstetrics doctor has an ATRIS center for the women who need it. Every cardiologist has an a free center for their heart patients who need it. Every neurologist has an APRI center for all of their cognitive issue patients who need it. Not everybody needs plasma exchange. But if you have high toxin levels and a significant DNA or you have high toxins levels and you're already showing inflammation oxidation or worse yet you have high toxin levels and you're already showing the symptoms of a disease, you probably need plasma change. Because we don't have that much time to mess around, we have to reverse that before it goes further. So our goal and all the doctors that we're working with and we're into 170 some odd doctors at this point, with 26 of them as advisors, is we all are going to be taking all this research, all of our effort to change people's lives so that we can show that we can put this into a process that becomes more affordable, we can do it quicker, we can do it better, we can do it faster, we can do it cheaper so that the people that need this, Medicare is going to pay for it. Because the government put us into this problem. The government need, we need to as a population because we're all responsible for not electing the right people to keep us out of this problem. So we need to take care of the people who we put into danger. And that means we think we probably can get this whole process down considerable amount.

Awesome.

But we're going to need, but we're going to, but we're going to need numbers and we're going to need population to change. So why do I know this can happen? Because in 2000 I was behind the group of doctors that was working on testosterone to get it out of the Anti Steroid act into the hand of guys who had low testosterone, which we did successfully, but we did it because the public was behind us. That's what changed everything. Awareness is the whole key here. Talking to your population, your entrepreneurs, getting them so they're talking to their employees, their cohorts so we can all start working together with, with acknowledging that we have a problem. And as Stephen Hawkins said, we passed that milestone 10 years ago in 2015 and so we're already behind everybody's toxic. And if you're not taking care of this problem today, I promise you it will take care of you tomorrow. And not in the way you want.

But it's true. Yeah. And this is the, if you look.

At the statistics just in the cancer from 2 to 17 to 30, it's escalating up next year it's going to be higher. We don't have a lot of time moving forward here before this becomes overwhelming in America.

Yeah. Wow. Okay, well, so here's the thing. I'm going to, I'm going to ask you one more question, but I want to direct people definitely go to MD lifespan.com because there are, you know, and of course I have the links below and all that. But your website has a ton of information. You know, you can see that there's a cool video actually on the whole oil change concept as well and so many other things that you guys do. So go check that out. And I want to ask you, is there a question that I have not asked you during this chat here or the previous one that you feel like is the most crucial for people to really understand about this whole toxin crisis, something that we might have missed here?

No, I think you've done real good. I think a couple of the myths I always talk about is number one, nobody has just one. Everybody has a lot. So it's not like I have mold toxins. Sure you do, but plus you have other things. So we need to get out of this. I had this toxin and that toxin for the people who know it and understand we're all multi, we're all multi chemicals at this point. Number two, if you don't know your numbers, you don't know the danger and that's the step that everybody has to do. Number three, even if you don't know your numbers, go protect yourself, spend the time. It's not a lot of hard reading we give you directed like the Aquatrue the rain saw. We will tell you these are the ones we know from consumer report or from our clinical trials that work in providing protection for you and your loved ones. Do that now no matter where you are.

Got it.

And finally the last one is if you got questions, go to the website, schedule a call, talk to one of our docs. We're there for you. There's no charge for the call. We just want to be able to provide to the consumer, to our friends, to other entrepreneurs. The answer is that they really need to understand we're a very data based, organization oriented company. We believe in the numbers, but we believe in the numbers to help people.

Dr. Paul Savage, I'm so happy that you've come out of retirement and you've done this whole startup. I know it's not easy and you know, I've worked with a crew and I know you guys are busted busting ass all the time. I mean, everybody is.

The thing is, when I had this. When the universe gave me this idea.

Yeah.

It's not like I had a choice, Joe.

No.

I mean, I sat there and realized that, oh, my God, I know how to get rid of the toxins. I know how to get rid of. And that was something we've been struggling with for 30 years. And suddenly I knew the answer. And it's like, yeah, I'm just going to pretend I didn't have that thought and go on living. It's like, it wasn't going to happen that way. Seriously, it was. I went to my husband, said, hey, we got to do this. He's like, yep. Then I called my marketing woman and I said, hey. She goes, I'm on board. And I called my tech person. I'm on board. Called my finance people. They're like, can you do this? I said, I'm absolutely. I mean, I've been sure on the other stuff I've done. I've never been so sure as I am on this project.

Wow.

The timeliness, the effectiveness. We have done nothing but exceed our expectations every step of the way. We are on the right track. We have a solution that we can provide to people. We just need to get further down the road with the research, with the numbers. We need the support of the government. We need support of entrepreneurs everywhere. But the best thing I want you to do is just increase the awareness. That's what we need.

Yeah, you'll get it. You are getting it. And I think you're riding the wave at the right time where people are starting to be open to the concept as well. And inserting yourself in there as a complete game changer. I mean, that's how it's been ever since I've learned about it more and more. So there you go. I'll urge everyone again. Follow. Follow the path. We've already shouted out a bunch of times, and it's up to you. It's your choice. Right? So. All right. Dr. Paul, I appreciate you so much. I'm happy we did this again. And I'm likely. Do it again because all these updates, man.

Do. Do your. Do your test. Do your test.

I will. I'm reporting.

Revealing. Be revealing. Thanks.

All right. Thank.

You. Ra.