Rewiring Your Brain for Wealth and Purpose! | H&F #649

What if I told you that your brain actually holds the key to any kind of breakthrough that you're trying to get through any ceiling you keep hitting in business, in life, whatever it is.

Today.

In this episode, I'm talking with Dr. Alok Trivedi. He goes by Dr. Rewire.

And you'll see because everything he does is definitely not conventional.

And you know, he's done the conventional work as a doctor, as a practitioner, hands on. He's worked with so many folks and.

We'Ll get into his background but.

But also we'll get into his approach. It's not conventional. He basically flips everything on its head and how he approaches people and how to shift your way of thinking in the way of your reality. Essentially, in literally minutes, he actually walks through how to do it on this episode so you can start tapping into your unlocked potential.

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Rewire after this episode. He's going to give you a lot of cool tips. Let's go.

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Let's get to the episode. Dr. Alok Trivedi, it's great to have you here, man. And I mean, the work that you've done just from my research is incredible. And I think it's flipping the whole concept of just how we're. Well, Dr. Rewire, you name that for a reason. So I want to learn about, you know, where you came from, which I know is in more the clinical setting. Right. Like, it's helping what you're serving 1200, I think, patients. It was a week. Per week. Yeah.

Well, as. Yes, per week.

Wow. But there was a flip there. So I'm like, I'm very curious of like, what was this epiphany that happened? And walk me through, you know, because you're all about human behavior and optimizing that. So I guess set the scene and then I would love to hear what that epiphany moment was.

Yeah. I think for me. So I've always asked the question, the one question I've always asked is, what controls that in the human body? And that's. That's probably a perfect place where we start the conversation. You know, I studied personal training and exercise, and then I went on into personal development, into physical therapy, and I struggled in physical therapy, ended up going to chiropractic school. Long story short, I figured that the muscles were controlled by the nerves and nerves are controlled by the brain, and then we'll control the brain. So I just kept on going down this path of continued exploration. And I was fortunate enough to build one of the largest practices in the country, if not the world at the time, and in it. But I just kept on finding what's with the root cause of someone's problem. Right. And I remember this case I had one time. Gentleman comes in on the 3rd of every month. Why every month? He comes in and says, you know what? I've got this, Doc. I got this back then. I got this back then. I said, why are you coming in the third of every month? He's like, I don't know. I said, when did it start? It started last night. What were you doing? I was talking with the wife and I said, what were you talking about? How we're going to make the mortgage payment. And I said, that's interesting. And I said, you know what? Today I'm not going to touch you. I'm not going to do anything with you. All I want to do today is I just want to ask you some questions, see if I can rebalance the brain.

Sure.

And I did. 80, 80% of his pain was gone in 10 minutes of asking questions. And then I went on to say he came back the next day and I asked him some more questions, cleared it, it was gone. Then I didn't see him for six months. And I said, what happened? Because I don't know, Doc. He goes, I haven't had any pain every. And money started to show up and income started show up. And all of a sudden in my clinic, I started seeing more patients. I started getting people saying, you know, do. Do the quest, do the brain thing that you do, Doc. I want to do that. I don't. I don't want to do the symptoms right. And long story short, so I continued doing that, started working with athletes, CEOs, celebrities, and all that space. And then I went through my own divorce. And in my divorce, I. Long story short, I tried to get. I was stuck with no money. I was doing intermittent fasting because it before it was a thing. I had no money. Like I had a lemon to eat. And I ended up basically figuring out the process to rewire. Long story short, I rewired. And I figured out that I had created a belief in my brain that you could have love or money, but not both.

Ah, yes.

And I went nine months without making any money, any revenue in my life. That night I figured it out, I rewired it, and then three days later, I made $175,000.

Two days later, after that, I rewired some more. I made $100,000. Two days later, I made 80,000. These are all in sales and deals. And I said, there's something to this thing that's even deeper and richer. And so I spent the better part of the next year, two years of my life, and still to this day, to be honest with you, continuing to rewire my brain. And at the same time, not only have I made more money, empowered my own life, freed myself from all these voices in my head, and made myself lose weight, stop drinking or minimize drinking, stop smoking, lost 50 pounds in the process and took charge and empowered of my life. I believe you can't have success and ful fulfillment. And there's a path to do it that created that science to be able to get there.

Wow. So that's a shift I mean, that is not the common approach for any kind of clinical healthcare, chiropractic, whatever you have, what have you. I mean, I know I've experienced back pain and, you know, gone to chiropractors and that whole thing, you know, upper back pain. Everybody has their own part. I feel like, yeah, something's held and it wasn't working. Like it would work a little bit, feel great, but it was like, why.

The hell is it still achy?

And I think I came to my own conclusions again. It was very emotionally tied somehow to a meaning, you know, belief said. And that's exactly what you found, it sounds like. And then replicated that beyond just yourself or someone else, you know?

Yeah, I wanted to create a system, right, Joe? I wanted to create a system that someone could literally. And I didn't do it for anybody else. I did for my own kids. Sure, right. I'd love to sit on this altruist human being that I want to better the world. I do. I do want to better the world. But you know what? I'm a dad first.

Cool.

And I want to give. I wanted to give my kids the blueprint of life, you know, not to go off of Brian Johnson and his blueprint. Like, what's the blueprint of the mind? Yeah, what's the blueprint of the mind? And I said, if I can teach my kids how to think, I've done my job as a dad. And in that process, I've had a chance of not only just create for my kids, but work with celebrities who help, you know, win more Emmys with Daymond, John, golfers, and all these cool people and cool stories that they come to me, they say I'm stuck, I can't get ahead.

Wow.

Help me unblock this. And things just open up. So that's kind of what I've been able to do.

That's. It's incredible, man. And that shift. Thanks for sharing that moment because I feel, I always feel like there's that moment where it's just like that aha moment and it was cool. That was with someone else. It wasn't just yourself, but you saw for externally this massive change happen and then you were able to replicate it. I believe it was an Olympian. If I'm not mistaken. You did this rewire in less than like four minutes or something. And I don't know if that story like curious if you could share a story like this maybe with that person or someone else that just shows how fast you can fly. Flip something, you know, maybe a deep held belief there's so many.

I mean, it literally can take me a minute to two minutes to three minutes to be able to rewire someone. The fastest I've ever done is I've taken a lady who had depression. Seven seconds later, she no longer had depression.

Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Seven seconds later. Because it's about rebalancing the brain, Right. So when you help get the brain to where it's supposed to be, we're able to function. The body is a beautiful mechanism. We just don't use it the way that it's designed to be used. Right. And so just like, I. I mean, I'm thinking of my friend now who's. He's got four Emmy awards. He was. Had two, was stuck, couldn't get any more. I rewired him in 10 minutes and unlocked the thing that was holding back and then went on to win two more Emmys. And I think he's running for another one year this year as well. So, like, you are that, like, there's a path to be able to create this as entrepreneurs and in this audience especially. Especially most people think you're. The problem is your failures. Right?

Yeah.

That's not the problem. The problem is the successes. You don't hit the lower limit, as Gay Hendricks used to say. There's an upper limit. That upper limit is based on the brain. It's based on dopamine. It's based on your. Your neurology. And then when we find that, we can actually govern that whole thing and control the whole mechanism.

Wow.

And it's a science. It's. I've created an actual science you can do that's not arbitrary anymore.

Yeah, well. And like you said, Gay Hendrix, the upper limit problem. Yeah. Remember that? Big leap and.

Yeah, right. Big leap. That's right.

Yeah. When you. When you start to think of it and frame it that way, you're like, holy. Yeah, I'm actually. You get confined to whatever that upper limit that we set for ourselves. If it's conscious or not, it's subconscious.

It is. Right. Then if we're just talking about Gay Hendrix, like, he talks about the upper limit, and then you fall. And then people call that limit. Okay. Let's just say it's 10 million in business. Right? Let's just say you get to 10 million. That's my upper limit. And then you fall back to 3 million, let's say. All right. And then, like, well, what happened? That 7 million dollar gap is the gap that now will cause you more anguish, pain, guilt, shame, resentment, frustration within Yourself that. And it's costing you literally $7 million a year not to fix the brain. Okay, it's costing you that. Yeah, but we think it's self sabotage. It's not self sabotage. It's understanding the upper limit. Because water seeks its own level. Your brain finds its own level that it matches your identity, your frequency, your nerves. All these things come together and say, this is the ideal level. So you'll sit at 3,3 million, and that's what you do. And then you get pissed off. Why can't I get to 10? Why can't I get to 10? And then we go through these cycles, we do it for three years and we get frustrated, then we get, we get stop setting goals. And by the seventh year we get the seven year itch and we want to get the hell out of the business.

We bring, you bring up goals. Because that was actually one of the things I have on my list, little topics here and I want to get your thoughts on goals. So like you have things like smart goals, you know that everyone's heard of that. A lot of. I read some stat that 97% of the Fortune 500 companies are use smart goals or at least somehow claim that. That's, that's the thing. But I think you've said it's traditional goal setting is just, it's, it's flawed. You know, there's, it's not correct. So I'd love to hear your stance on that and, and how that also relates to like dopamine, the actual chemicals inside of us and how that can just totally throw everything off.

Okay, so for the record, if anyone listens to this podcast, you took me down the neurology path here, so I'm going to geek out now, if that's all right.

Please, on you, I'll take it.

So what happens is when we set a goal, we set up dopamine pathways, and we sit and say, let's just use 10 million as a round number in this for this audience, right? Or even a million. If you think whatever you think is the right number, let's use 10. So you say, okay, I'm going to go hit a goal of 10 million in my business, I want to go after that. What do you got to do? What do you got to map that 0 to 10, wherever you're at, let's say it's at 2 million, 5 million, 7 million, that delta creates a dopamine spike. Now what's going to happen is this, is that if you don't hit 10 million on that goal, and you hit 9 million, you now have anger and frustration because now you're going to fall back down. Because if this dopamine goes up, the other side of dopamine is something called norepinephrine and epinephrine. And these are what's known as catecholamines, which are stress neurotransmitters. Okay? These are sympathetic to the body. They release cortisol, adrenal glands, burnout, fatigue in the body, exhaustion, high blood pressure, insulin resistance, pre diabetes. All this stuff comes from this. So when I say goal setting is flawed and antiquated, it is because we're not managing our emotions around the goal. So dopamine goes up and spikes. And then what happens is if we don't hit that goal, we crash. Bigger problem becomes, if you do hit.

The goal, the bigger problem.

The bigger problem comes if you do hit the goal.

Okay?

You hit that spike, and now all of a sudden, you now become addicted.

To that spike because you achieve that thing. You're like, okay, well, I can do.

Anything then I can do it again. Yeah, I can do it again. And so what we do is we set then bigger goals, and then we set bigger goals. I know the world says, you know what? Set goals so big that they'll scare you. Right? Complete nonsense. That is nothing but nonsense. If you set a goal that scares you, you now have to go through agony and pain to try and get there. The brain doesn't work towards agony and pain. The brain moves into pleasure. And what we've done in personal development and that for the last. And I've studied with the best. I've had 130 mentors over my career. And what we've said is that, you know, the fear you just got across on the other side of the fear. No, no, you don't. You're never going to live without fear. What you have to do is manage the fear that you have. So our brain is designed to say, you know what? I can set these goals, but I can actually set them on 10% trajectories, okay?

Manageable.

Manageable. So I use an example. How do you triple your business? Now, this is not my. This is not mine. This is a Jay Abraham thing, right? Jay Abraham, you increase 10% in one category in your new clients, 10% in your retention, and 10% in another category. Those are manageable tactics in business that your brain can sit and say, I can manage that, rather than the large number. And according to Jay Abraham, right? Like you can now triple your business because of that.

Sure. Leverage. And it has compounding effects throughout.

Completely correct. And now what we've done is we've managed the emotions. Dopamine stays regulated, and you don't create blood sugar imbalance, because if dopamine goes up, so does blood sugar. If dopamine crashes, so does your blood sugar. It follows the same trend. Right.

What's the. What's the health effects of that blood sugar? Just really quick.

Like, the more spikes we create in our blood sugar, the more insulin resistance we create over time. And insulin resistance leads to diabetes, so that leads to high blood pressure problem, sleeping, brain fog, can't get clarity. You wake up in the morning, I can't think. Like a lot of. And maybe your group doesn't. But a lot of entrepreneurs, like, man, I just need a drink to chill out. I need a. I need a tequila to call it a night. Like, we do all these things as suppressors to our body rather than understanding as an entrepreneur, we have to learn to manage.

We have to learn to manage our system. And. And so that being the case, we then create all this illness on the back end. Your adrenal fatigue kicks in, cortisol spikes. And cortisol is the hormone that in essence is the stress hormone.

Right?

It's stress. And so if we have stress, our body doesn't work.

It's like fight or flight. Right.

Always on. And chronic stress leads to chronic inflammation.

Which is the source of all disease.

All disease comes from.

Right?

Yeah, Right. And I'll say it to be politically correct in case anyone wants to, you know, social Media, me, it's 99 of it all comes from. Okay.

Right. But if we then look at it, then, then as entrepreneurs, and this is my, my goal to help entrepreneurs wake up to this is saying, hey, look, I got it. You have to have health. You have to have these five pillars of health that I talk about. You have to have an unshakable mind, you have to have an unshakable body, you have to have an unshakable diet, and then you have to have unshakable sleep, and you have to have unshakable wealth. But most of us are chasing this wealth game, losing our mind, losing our body, not knowing what to eat, to regulate it for ourselves, and we don't get the sleep that we need to recover.

So then how are you going to get any kind of wealth? How are you define that wealth? It could be the money or it could just be, what, fulfillment, you know, wholeness.

Break down the five pillars even more because I'm In I want to place, I don't know, maybe we could think of, like, when you're working with someone initially, you know, someone that is wide open on the cortisol, you know, they're chasing these goals. They've already had some pretty good achievements, but they're just, you know, they're in a slump and they're coming to you. Like, how do you approach them?

Well, first thing I do is I do a brain DNA test. Right. I've created the brain DNA test where we look at your actual DNA and we do a cheek swab, send in the cheek swab, and then from that cheek swab we're able to see seven SNPs that control the five neurotransmitters. Dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin, norepinephrine, epinephrine. And we're able to see how your body responds to these. So, for example, someone who's got a high or a low comp T gene variable is going to have a lot of dopamine in their system and a lot of serotonin in their brain. Joe is going to be ping, ping, ping, ping, ping, ping. They have like 40 tabs open on their computer and they can process it all, but then when it comes time to go to bed at night, they can't recover.

Ah, yeah, right.

Problem is that person's also waking up in the morning having a cup of java, Joe saying, you know what, I need this to wake up. No, no, no, that's a mistake for that person. Then what we've got to do is we've got to actually figure out, because everybody has a code. I like to send. Say you have to know your code.

Yeah.

Once you get your code, then you have to create a system that works for you to get that. Then you have to rewire that so that everything you're doing is matching your code. Then it makes sense. Another example, like someone like that, you know, like there's this big thing in the market, Right. It's for entrepreneurs. Don't totally contradict with this crap that's out there. Everyone, you know, in order to get healthy, everyone needs to cold plunge every day, right? That's right. That's just crap advice. That's crap.

Why would you say that's crap?

Because what happens is that when you're cold, plunging every day, and let's say your body makes too much dopamine, you have too much dopamine in the system as it is, you go in there, you spike your, your norepinephrine and dopamine levels that now stays in your system, that now creates cortisol response and stress response.

True. Okay. Yeah. The opposite of probably what you're.

Opposite of what you're trying to do. Yeah. So we have these blanket statements in health and biohacking that are just as dangerous as the, the abuse of medicine.

That. That's just not accurate.

How about the opposite? Because, you know, you have things like sauna, you know, and like, what would you say on that? Kind of the total opposite side of that spectrum.

I think, I think it's valuable. Right. But I think you've got to find out your code to make sure that you can do it, because. Absolutely. Do I have a sauna, I have a cold plunge. Absolutely I do. Right. I'm not saying it's not beneficial. I'll give you an example. I'm the perfect example of that.

Yeah.

So I have a cold plunge and I'm just like everyone else. I'm like, okay, you're going to be disciplined, be all you can be. You know, the, the whole, like, breakthrough walls, entrepreneurial crap that we say to ourselves.

Sure, yeah.

And then I went, did my own gene test and it said, in my gene test, it said, you know what? I don't process the cold that well.

Wow, that's gonna cause more stressors. Right?

That causes me stress. So now that causes me stress. So I go to that cold plunge at 45 degrees, six minutes a day, because that's what they've said on social media is healthy for me. Now all of a sudden, I go into this thing and I'm causing more stress on my body. Cortisol is going up, stress response is going up. Insulin goes up, blood pressure goes up. It doesn't go down.

Right.

So instead I said, you know what? Okay, I got it. This is a moderation game for me. So I go in, I turn it up to 52, 53 degrees, and then I go in for three minutes, two to three times a week.

I like that. Okay. Moderation. Look at that.

There's a moderation game.

No one's talking. I've never heard anybody say that. Like, how about we just go a little warmer? Just a little bit.

This is it.

Yeah.

Entrepreneurs have this. And our brains are designed to go for all or none.

That's right. Well, that's obviously, it's what the media is going to pick up anyway. Right. So it's all.

And that's what we look at and we say, okay, I got to go all in or none. And we, we listen to These people who are out there saying, we go all or none, and that's all we have to do. And that's not really accurate because our health and body is breaking down. And as entrepreneurs, we have to look at it. If we're the leaders of society, then we have to ask oursel a different question. How are we leading? We have to ask ourselves a different question. Are we being the part that you would want your child to be burned out, exhausted? Truth and you know what, not the crap that you put on your social media. The true answer is that you look inside of your head. Are you pumping yourself with TRT to make sales and get yourself through the day? Because that's a symptom that you're looking at. Why not raise your testosterone by getting your brain awake, inspired, getting yourself aligned, correctly, getting your body in the right optimal state and function a whole different level, rather than just injecting ourselves all day long. And I see this all day long and we're causing more illness than we are actually breeding health.

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So let's talk about TRT. It's a great one, right?

Cool.

And many of the males out there, we talk about this. You know, it's an epidemic across the world. That male TRT is low. Absolutely, it is. Let me ask you a question. What is also an epidemic in our society? Chronic stress. Chronic stress will drop your trt. Levels. As an entrepreneur, you're chronically under stress, and you are working, and you're burned out. You're tired, you're fatigued. Your brain. You don't know what the code is, because what happens. Let me bear with my science mind for a minute. Your brain creates these neurotransmitters. These neurotransmitters then communicate and create hormones. So the way that your brain creates neurotransmitters determines the hormones in your body.

Makes sense.

So if you're not inspired by the challenges you have, if you feel frustrated, burned out, tired, and you got to go to work, and work feels like a grind, and you got to grind it up more and more and more. You are burning out your testosterone.

Yes. Okay.

You are burning out your testosterone, breaking down your body, and instead of saying, okay, how do I rewire this so that's not burning me down, how do I. How do I build my own testosterone? Because you can. 100% can. But it's the way that you think and the way that your brain code is set up that's creating these imbalances and neurotransmitters that are causing you to burn out physically with this testosterone. And so it's. Is there a time for it? Absolutely. I'm not taking away from that. That's not my point. Is it being overly abused? In my opinion, it is.

Got it. How? I guess just to close the loop, because I'm sure people are wondering, and I am, too, how do you grow or build your own testosterone?

So you set goals that are strategic, that are truly inspirational to you, that really mean the most to you. Right now, in the entrepreneurial market, everything is about an exit. Everyone's talking about exit. There's so much money in private equity. Okay, good. What does that mean? You know, truthfully, what I found is that people who exit their companies come to me most depressed than ever before.

That's a very common thing. I was just doing another show earlier yesterday. Same exact thing. Never met someone who's made it rich, wealthy, whatever, and super happy. You know, it's. It's just. Or if there are. There are very few. Few and far between.

You know what I found over the years, in all the cases, all the experience? What I found is an inspired entrepreneur builds a business that they never want to sell. Dan Sullivan talks about this.

That's right. Y.

Right. And I. I believe Dan Sullivan is the OG of OGs in business consulting.

I mean, he's what, in his 80s now? So he's still rocking.

I've never been. I just read his books and just watched some of his interviews. I've never been a client of his over any of that capacity. But I think just that mindset when I heard that, I said, this guy gets it.

It's true. Yeah, he does.

Really. And so you build a business that you never want to sell, but you build it in the way that you can sell. So that's where you create the system behind it. But you build it because you love to serve people. And when you serve people, you'll get up every morning with a value of what you do. You'll have an inspiration to wake up and get up and do something in the world. But if you say, you know what, I did all this for money, I've not found many people that actually truly sit and say, you know what? My number one value is money. Because once they get money, then they'll lead the path of debauchery and they'll find ways to destroy and lose that money.

And then the cycle continues or probably is way worse. Yeah.

Now they felt, they say, well, you know what, I've got money. So I'm not, I'm not stressed that way. But they got no fulfillment, no joy, no, no inspiration in the game. And that's why I say you can have success and fulfillment. There is a path to having both, for sure.

Got it. Well, so, and this goes back to the five pillars of health that you speak about. And I feel like you correct me if I'm wrong, there's probably not a sequence to it, maybe you have one. But I feel like, yes, if there's an imbalance in wealth, you know, that could lead to other imbalances, maybe mind, body, sleep, whatever it might be. But I'm curious if you could just break down how you think about the pillars of health. And so we can all kind of grasp it for sure, right?

Sleep is essentially important. But here's what I found. I come from a mind first approach to healthcare, okay. Because the brain controls every single cell, tissue and organ in the body and how we think controls every cell, tissue, organ in the body. They have shown, they have shown proof and data. And I've done this experiment myself. Go to the gym and do bicep curls and take yourself to the last rep, maybe doing 10, you know, the 10th rep, get super angry and think of something super negative that pisses you off. That 10th, 11th rep is going to become super hard. It's going to be hard to finish that rep. Now think about the thing that you love and inspire that you want to do the most. You'll get two or three more reps out of yourself in that. Because your brain will move towards what it is you really want if it inspires you.

Interesting. Okay.

It's really interesting.

Yeah.

What we have to do is I say get the mind clear first. Right? Rewire the brain. Get yourself. Know who you are, know your values, know your identity, know why you're doing what you do. And link everything in your life, every emotion, everything to that mind. Because once the mind gets calm, then the body gets clear. Now you reduce the cortisol. Now you reduce the. The blood sugar problem. Now you get rolling hills, as our. My friend Jay Breck said. You get proper rolling hills, sure. But then spikes in blood sugar, right?

Yeah, yeah.

Then you say, okay, now what do I eat? Then you gotta look at, okay, now we gotta control the diet so we don't spike these blood sugars. And then, then once those things come into place, sleep falls itself right in.

Makes sense. Because your body's gonna want it and so it's gonna fit with it. Yeah, exactly.

And then watch your wealth explode. Watch your wealth explode at that point. But I will say that if, you know, if you're listening to this and saying, you know what, doc, that makes sense. But you know what? I'm just trying to figure out how to pay my bills. I'm trying to get through the day. I get it. I completely get it. Right. And I've been there. So I empathize with you. But at the same token, what I'm saying is that what you've got to do is learn to kind of mix both of them into the game. Don't neglect the health while you're trying to build wealth until you can fully sit and say, you know what? I can spend the first three, four, five hours of my day. Day in my own state to go work four to six hours if you want to, and then come back and spend time with the family. I think if you structure your day that way. I like the way Ed Mylett sometimes explained. I think I heard him say this one time, he said, you structure. He structures his day in threes and chunks of three. I kind of like that. I kind of like that. That idea. I get up in the morning, 6 o', clock, 6 to 10 is my time. Yeah, that's my time. That's my workout. That's my training. That's my rewiring. That's my reading. That's. That's me. That's my learning time. So I spend four hours there. And then I go, okay, 10 o', clock, I'll do my first meeting. And I work till about four, right? Ten to four, six hours.

Yeah.

Unless I'm actually doing a seminar or something like that. Right. Then it's a total different game. So I'll work six hours in there. And then four o', clock, I'm like, I'm done. I'm done. I go back to the gym. So I do two workouts a day and I go back to the gym in that and I'll do a. I'll do like a little like cardio. So I'm gonna get the body blood moving, get my steps in. And then five o', clock it's like, all right, son's got a soccer game or some activity, family dinner. And then I do. I'm going to say something that every entrepreneur is going to sit and say, no, you can't. I like to sit at the end of the day and watch a little tv.

How dare you.

I know.

I like to do it. I watch Modern Family and Life in pieces and I love it.

Modern Family is awesome. Yeah. I was going to ask you. Okay. What are you watching? Yeah, even better.

Okay.

Modern Family. Yeah, love it. So I have a couple things that came to mind as you're walking through this. So obviously the five pillars of health is sequential, starting with the mind, at least in the way you say it. And I fully believe that's true as well. A couple things that come to mind and I want to ask you about some of the specifics to keep those rolling hills going, as Gary Brackett says. Yeah, like breath work for me, I found all the way from Wim Hof, which is pretty aggressive to things that are more intentional but can still get very similar results.

I'll go into push ups like Wim Hof says, you know, do 40, whatever, you know, inhale, exhales, and then, you know, do the whole routine and then start just like cranking as many push ups as you can. And I'm sure with even a more positive mental picture of whatever you're going for. But I've always found I could do way more, you know, like a good extra 10, maybe more. And I'm sure that relates to. Because you're clearing your mind, you're, you're settling the brain or, sorry, the body and the brain through the breath work. So, like, would a mechanism like that be helpful or is that something that you use yourself?

Yeah, I love breath work. I completely love breath work. Right. I'm an Indian guy, so like breath work and yoga is like, that's what we grew up with. So I'm totally in for. And I think oxy. And Gary is so dead on the money when he says presence of oxygen is the absence of disease. He's dead on the money. The rewiring work we do is about bringing oxygen to cells that need it. Right. And when he saw me rewire someone, he's like, doc, how did you do that? He's like, he's seen me do it. If you go to my Instagram, you'll see his testimony. He's like, I've never seen anything like that. And Gary's great, and he's right with that. What we've got to do is put and push more oxygen. So breath work is helping oxygen get to the system. Absolutely. Now I will. You know, Wim Hof has so many studies that I've done on him and that are. That are completely wild as story and testimony.

Injected E. Coli and all that.

Yeah, all this stuff. Absolutely ridiculous. Right. So I'm not going to say anything against it, because I can't speak to that. But I will go back to my roots and say breath work in the Eastern world has been. Been around for millennia, centuries. And what has been taught, what I've learned is that if you're doing the deep, aggressive breath and you're doing that heavy breath, sure, it's stimulating the sympathetic nervous system. Right. The short inhalation is about your sympathetic nervous system, and the exhalation is about your parasympathetic, which is your relaxed part of the nervous system. So fight or flight, when you take in and when you exhale, it's about relaxing and basically rest and digest. And what I've always taught, I've taught my patients for almost 25 years now, is take a deep breath in for seven, hold it for seven, and release it for seven.

Okay? Every. Even. Everything's even.

Even it out. Because what you do is that you activate the sympathetic nervous system. You now put that oxygen. That oxygen now forces itself into cells, and then you relax for seven, and then you get the carbon dioxide and that out of the system, and the body gets rid of that and it resets itself. What we want is the optimized state is not more or less. It's balanced.

Yes.

Systematic. It's unshakable. Unshakable is balanced. And so breath work, I call it unshakable breath work.

Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah, I got to check into that. I love it. And I found, as I eased down, because I Was all about the WIM HOF for a while and I'm sure it's partially marketing, it's great. But it introduced me and I know a lot of others to breath work and things like you said in the eastern way of being and everything. Like I have a bunch of Indian friends and I've no breath work's been around forever. Yoga, these very intentional all the way back to the whole inflammation. Ayurveda, it's all tied in together.

Yeah, it's all tied in. You know I've been, I, I'm, I'm a geek when it comes to health. My, you know, my family and everyone knows like what do I study? I study health.

Sure.

I pretend like I'm an entrepreneur, like maybe a lot of your audience, but I'm really a doctor. Like I love healing. Like and I have a business in Italy. Right. So that like that's what I do. But at the end of the day I'm a doctor. So I studied Ayurveda, I've studied functional medicine, studied all of these things to create. Look at what, what I don't know that there's a best system. What I've said is that how do we take all of these systems and make it the best for you? You see what I'm saying?

All the way back to the brain DNA test, which makes.

All the way back to the brain DNA test. If someone has. So someone who has high amounts of MAOA or looks really low amounts of MAOA is going to be known as a warrior gene.

Yes.

Right. So what do they need that you give them more pump up of oxygen, fired them up with more oxygen. They're going to be more awake. That's going to make their dopamine go higher, serotonin is going to go higher and they're going to go and say I'm unstoppable to everything. But then they're going to crash. That person at night is going to sit and say I am drained. And they go all or none. All or none. There's no grounding middle space for that person.

Or is there like is there another approach? Like what would you.

There's got to be. Yeah, there is.

Of course there is. Right?

Yeah.

I'm saying but like the way that they live now. Of course.

Yeah, that's the now way. Okay, gotcha.

Yeah. But then we would rewire their brain to be able to regulate that number one. Then I get breath work into it. I would not have them do crazy heavy lifting all the time. Light low rep lifting would Be a completely different answer for them. Instead of saying, you know what, let me go pump up. You know, ever the max reps. All I can do. You know what? If I take you doing 25 reps at a lower, you're going to burn out that dopamine, you're going to burn out that serotonin with an excess in your body.

Interesting. Okay. And that probably, like you said, you work out twice a day. A lot of people aren't even working out once, but work out, y' all do something. But, you know, like, you could have a whole different workout. I'm assuming in the morning. Maybe that's more of a pump up, a raise up, and then one in the evening or later in the day to, I'm assuming, depending on who you are. You know, maybe that's the more calm, mindful way of working out. Whatever that looks like.

Absolutely.

Cool.

Absolutely.

I like depending on you.

Right. Like it's. We are in an era obviously now with brain test or excuse me, with personalized medicine being so on the front forefront.

Yeah.

We now have to create a personalized psychology. We can't just say we, we follow. All humans function the same way. That's just not true.

Yeah, that's not true at all. And I mean immediately, because I do a lot of stuff in AI and now, you know, we all have access to pretty much all the information.

Whenever.

Are you leveraging AI or at least the idea of like, okay, we have all these results now. How do we make you the absolute best? I'm just, you know, with the studies and everything that you know about in your own practice.

I don't, I'm not in practice English. I don't. I don't have a brick and mortar. I got rid of my brick and mortar about 10 years ago because I was more of an educator. I want to teach people at aluminum 11. If I figured if I was in practice, I'd get lost and I couldn't get out there. So. But nonetheless, the question was, is that, is there an AI use we do? So I have an app called the LT Mind app.

Okay.

Programmed it where you talk into the app and it gives you voice recording. It uses your voice to analyze your emotional state. And then from that, I've programmed it to rewire your brain so you will literally, if you're stuck, you're frustrated. I tell my clients in the morning, just download the app, rewire your brain in the morning, rewire it at night, watch your HRV go up, watch your blood pressure go down, and watch your Heart rate go down. Watch your sleep get better. Your REM sleep will go up. Nice sleep. When I go to bed, I've got. I go to bed at 9:45. I wake up at 5:45, clockwork every single day. It doesn't. I mean, I get up to use the bathroom because I drink so much water at the same time. But I don't have that issue. Not to say I didn't, but the more I calm the mind, the better sleep I got.

That's REM and hrv. You mentioned that. Like, I know that goes back to breath work, even in, hold out. That's a direct HRV correlation right there. Chill out your heart and. Yeah, variability.

That's all controlled by the brain.

Yes. Yeah, yeah. When I learned about that, that, like, with what you're saying, I'm like, duh. Everything goes downstream from that point on.

It's completely downstream. So, yeah, what I always wanted to get to was the core, core source of it. That's why the brain DNA is the core source of how all of this works. So you look at your HRV and say, okay, I'm trying to lower my hrv. You do breath work. Okay, and that's great. Is there something up here that we need to add? Maybe. Maybe this person's got this, this gene and they need more tryptophan and they need more serotonin in their body to regulate. So we. You got to look at it and say, okay, let's put more meat, let's put more turkey in this person's diet to get an outcome versus maybe more fish, maybe more mercury. You want to put more tryptophan, more turkey in their diet. That's going to help build more serotonin for themselves. They're going to sleep better because of that night.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm gonna be taking this test for one, the brain rewire or the. Sorry, the brain DNA test. Because that is absolutely. It's funny. Cause I work with another doctor. I just had him on, Dr. Paul Savage, who's all about, you know, essentially figuring out toxins, taking toxins out of your body. So I have a toxin test sitting on my counter right now to take Petey cup and go do that. Well, this is like, we all need to be doing these markers because it's. It's not, I think, like what he said. It's not a mystery until you get data behind it. And you need to get the data on yourself and then you. And you can do something about it. That's exactly what you're Saying here.

It's exactly what I'm saying. I think the tests that are out there, amazing, like, mold toxicity, all that stuff is huge. I can't say that I do it enough to be very honest with you. It's something I need to add more to my protocol, but it's something that I definitely need to think more about, and I don't, as much as I probably want to start thinking about those things.

Well, there's a lot of new stuff coming. Yeah, I'm in. Like, I'm learning all about the toxin stuff, and, yeah, working directly with the doctor, I get firsthand. Okay. This is frightening, but, yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. So if you haven't listened to that episode, y', all, it's already released, so go check out Dr. Savage. But I'm gonna listen to it too.

You should.

Yeah, you'll love it, man. But. So let's.

Let's wrap it up here.

I mean, I have so many other questions, but I give them a next best step because, you know, we're all approaching this from different angles, different beliefs. So where should say, they start? I'm assuming the. The brain DNA test. So I think.

So if you asked me six months or a year ago, I would have gave you a whole bunch of protocols to do.

Right.

But my research has shown me that that's a mistake. My research has shown me that the first thing you should do is get your code. Get your specific code. Then let's talk about. Okay, the next piece of that code is your value code, your psychological code. But the first piece is, let's get your genetic code to understand how to process these things. Because when you process, then you know how to navigate all these pieces. Maybe you. Maybe you're an entrepreneur. Like, it's so crazy. Like, maybe you're an entrepreneur that is demotivated, burned out, fatigued, and tired. You're blaming testosterone in your body, but the problem is the gene upstream.

And that's controlling it. But you're taking this testosterone and then taking all the side effects that are coming along. Potential side effects. Right. I know someone will argue with me. Well, it's more. Study this and that. It's great for its brain health. I get all of that. I'm not saying no to that. I'm just from the. The. The vantage point. Can you create it on your own? Yes. I know this because my dad is 73 years old, and he's got an 830 testosterone.

O. Holy moly.

Yeah. And I'm like, dude, you. You want to pass Some of that over here, right. I'm sitting at 790, so I'm not far behind. But I don't take any of that stuff. It's, it's. And so you think you gotta ask yourself the question, like, how do you do it? You gotta get the code first. I think that's the most important. I really do. I really believe that in the heart of arts, get that. Then everything else becomes customized to you.

Where do they go to get it?

You just go to Dr. Rewire test. Go to Dr. Rewire test. Or if you go to Instagram, it's on, it's on the page. You can just kind of buy it from there, whatever. It's really simple. Too easy. Just do a cheek swab, get it in five to seven days, you'll have the answers to you, what you want. And you know, then you can take the supplements, lifestyle changes that are there for you if you want, then if you want more implementation, then you can kind of do more implementation. Or if you want to work more directly with me, you can do that to whatever way works best for you, but you don't have to. But the whole point is, know that. So you know how to implement these tools in your life?

Absolutely. Yeah. So I'll link everything in the show, Notes, description, make it easy for everybody to find. And I'm so fascinated. I love this stuff, man. And, and the fact that science, I mean, it's just, we're all getting smarter, but the fact that we have people like yourself who are now getting data that probably no one's ever thought about to even get, maybe had the ability to get, and now we can run it through some really smart systems and we all have our individual protocol, which is not as sexy as like, hey, let's all go cold plunge.

It's not good for everyone's marketing. I get that right for these. But I, you know, I'm not a data guy, believe it or not. I'm not a gross mass AI data. That's. I'm, I'm a doctor that wants to help people live the best life that they can. That's what, that's, that's my intention. That's my heart. That's what I do. And I want people to have their, the right things for themselves, to be able to do that, because I want that for my kids and myself. I'm my own patient first.

I love it. I like to say, okay, I lied. There's one other question that just come and comes to my mind is like, what's. What do you struggle with any of these techniques? Because I read what you have, like 92 or more, about 120, 120 different tools.

Ways I can rewire the brain now.

So is there something that you personally still struggle with that you're grappling for whatever reason?

It's a good question. I think I sometimes still with my own DNA, I think I get caught up in the entrepreneurial game.

So is that more external or internal?

It becomes external. And I get reminded and I have to go back to that as a practice to remind myself to really govern that. Because the thing is, is that if you don't govern it, it will take you over.

That's right.

Right. And. But, you know, I. I sometimes do get caught up in, all right, let's go do this. And. And then I. Then I need to look at it and I have to work on that continuously to sit and say, ah, hold on. And my daily practices that I have help me get there. But then, you know what? I'm like everybody else. I can go to a seminar, I can see this guy do this exit, and I can see this. Like, maybe I can do that. Then I'm like, is it what I really want? Am I willing to trade my life and what I have now for that as an outcome? And I don't know that's the answer, but I have to bring myself down. That is something I struggle with.

That's cool. Thanks for being open. I know it's a very common one. I struggle with it here, like when I have awesome folks like yourself, like, oh, wow, I gotta go deeper, doing whatever. It could be a shiny. You know, we're all dealing with it, really. In this age, even more so social media, AI, whatever we're learning.

I'll tell you the habit that I struggle with the most. Yeah. Is social media in the morning.

There you go.

Social media in the morning is my. Is my crutch. And I have to cognizantly, like, really sit and say, okay, you know.

I'm.

Gonna leave my phone outside, I'm gonna read my book. I'm stop and read my book. I'm gonna think. And. But we get into this habit and it's just like. And I noticed the days that I do social media in the morning, I'm more hyperactive.

Ah, you're switching. Yeah. Without thinking. And that hits. Yeah, completely. A lot of folks can relate. Yeah. I have my own vices. But hey, thank you for sharing. This is. This is really awesome. I love the chat. And again, I'll link everything. Go take your test. Y' all go learn more. I'm gonna go to Instagram, talk about social media, and look at some of these transformations you've been doing.

So absolutely happy to help. Thank you for having me. Appreciate it.

You got it.

J.