The RV Journey: Patti Hunt's Bold Leap into Adventure

Life can completely change at a blink of an eye. Sometimes you can kind of expect it. Other times it just sideswipes you and you're just like, whoa, all right, new reality. That's exactly what's happened to Patty Hunt. A couple times she's going to explain what she did. Starting all the way back from the COVID era, she completely dove into the podcasting space with her husband and since then have blown up top 5% podcasts worldwide, attached to a massive brand, sponsors begging for her to accept them. She's gonna break down exactly how she did this. She's also gonna talk about another completely life changing event that happened to her earlier this year, sideswiped her and how she's brought herself back up and she's still in it. She's resilient as hell.

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Patty, we're doing this, and I'm so happy that you. It's been a long time in the making. I know that much. So I'm happy that you're here.

I am happy that I'm here, too. Thank you for having me.

Of course. Yeah. And this. I guess I'll go back because, you know, a lot has happened in, what, the last eight months, 10 months that we've known each other somewhere around there. And it started with the beginning of 2024 at Podfest. I gotta give a shout out.

Yeah, yeah.

Right. And we were at your masterclass, which was fantastic. We learned so much. We met you and instantly connected. Like, there was an instant connection.

Oh, I felt it with you, with dan and what, 30, 40 other people in that room. It was cool. And maybe we'll do it next year, this upcoming year at podfest. Tbd. I'm not gonna. But maybe. But I'm happy that we connected. And, you know, Jacob, producer of this show for a long time. I know. Has. Has started collaborating with you even further too. So.

Yes. I am so grateful. Yes. Jacob's taking care of all the background stuff for the RV Life podcast. I couldn't be more grateful to have that off my plate.

Well, that's. I don't blame him because that's why I have him around, too. And like, we both said, like, we just wish he was a little closer so we could, like, record in person videos, the whole nine. But here's what it is.

Right? Right.

We need a clone of Jacob. So somewhere.

Two.

Not a digital clone. Yeah, two. At least. Well, yeah, Patty. And, like, so you already mentioned RV Life, because that's. So the reason why we got connected is, of course, that. That mastermind, that event that we did in person, but it extended for multiple days. And then I know we've, you know, we kind of support each other all the way throughout here and there throughout. But RV Life, I want to talk about your podcast there because that. It's awesome. Right. When Jacob and I met you, we're like, for one, you. Patty and Dan is awesome people, fun people. We wanted to spend the whole event just hanging out and telling stories about RVing, because that's literally what you podcast about and have a whole media thing around. So I don't know where to start other than, like, what is it? Let's start there. And then, like, I want to get into the story of how the heck it's came to be.

So RV Life Podcast is a podcast that was started a little over a year and a half ago to talk all things in the RV community. And the goal has always been to inspire people. So we're, we educate, we entertain, and we explore all things RV lifestyle. And that has been people, places, experiences that, you know, we bring guests on to talk about those things to help the RV community.

And that's. And you're, you're living it, Are living it. I mean, like, literally what, recording all around the country, RVing, it's like raw and real. And that's what I really love about your style.

And it is. And it. And I always wanted to make sure it was that way because. So we do it as if it's live. There's no real editing. I tell my guests this is as if it's live. You say something, make a mistake, well, correct it. I'm not going back and changing things because I did. I wanted it to be raw and real and authentic and, and we traveled full time for over three years in our, in our rv. We had sold everything, hit the road. And you know, when you're, when you're doing a podcast in an rv, you've got sounds, you got noise, you've got guests on that have six month old babies that are talking through the whole thing. And we've had that happen, you know, the dogs barking and that all stays in there. So it's been incredible to go around the country, meet people and then have them on the podcast to share the knowledge that they have.

I think it's really cool because you're getting a bunch of people's perspectives in the journey of RVing. There's a lot of reasons why people even want to do it. So I think it's almost like a voyeuristic way a little bit. It's like, hey, this is a real.

Like peek into my life.

RVing or the story I have around it. And they said, so it comes across. I think it's cool.

Absolutely, yes. And we wanted to inspire. So again, my mission's always been to inspire people to fully live life. That has been my mission for 20 plus years.

And being in the RV and showing people what was going on. We did an episode where we said how to live in less than 400 square feet without killing each other.

As a married couple.

As a married couple, as, you know, partners, whatever that looks like. It's not the simplest task. We went from a 3200 square foot house with a hot tub and a Pool and a walk in closet to less than 100 square feet of space. You've got to be able to transition, pivot, navigate that and enjoy, enjoy the journey. Enjoy. You know, sometimes it's messy, it's raining, and you're stuck inside. But really embracing that. We wanted to show people what it looks like and how to embrace that, how to get through the tough times when you're in the rv and how to enjoy journey along the way.

Enjoy the journey, enjoy the people you're with. Because yeah, there's. I can't imagine any other experience like tight, tight quarters and you're just, you're doing your thing. And from what I remember, one of the chats I had with, with you and Dan is, I believe you didn't have any RV experience. You didn't like. You didn't know what the world was at all. Right.

It all started during COVID We were almost a year into Covid. Dan's been in the entertainment industry for his entire life. So he always movies, tv, big, big stuff. Like he's done major movies, a nominated documentary.

Didn't work with Johnny Carson as well.

He's worked with so many people. Keep track. Yes, yes. He did some movies for M. Night Shyamalan, like the Sixth Sense. He worked, but he's done a lot. And so we were in Las Vegas and he had a show that was going to be on the Strip at Caesars, one of the Caesars properties. And with COVID they said, we're not opening back up for at least a year. And so he called me up to his office one day and he said, let's sell everything and buy an RV and go full time rv. And literally I laughed. Yeah, I thought he was kidding. And then I look up and I'm like, you are serious? And he said, yes. You know, what do we have? You know, we're sitting here, money's going out, nothing's coming in. Who knows how long it'll be shut down, let's just go. And I walked away. I thought it was nuts. And then we had conversation. What are we going to do on the road? I had been in an RV to that point a total of seven nights camping in a tent, two weekends. That was my experience. That was it.

Yeah.

And so it took about three months, which isn't long. We watched every YouTube video out there and I finally said, okay, what do we have to lose? And when we talked about, well, what are we going to do on the road? He said, well, we'll create video content to show people what there is to do, especially during that time. And that's what we did. And actually before we left Las Vegas, we got picked up from the CW in Las Vegas for a four episode series about what there was to do in Las Vegas. Yes. So it was like my sign. Okay, maybe people would enjoy this. And it was just really cool. We got to do all kinds of cool things, and it's on our YouTube channel. And so we got in the RV and took off and made all kinds of mistakes and we shared them, said, listen, this is a mistake we made. Don't do this. And we just had fun.

It's freaking awesome. And I love it because you're very transparent. I know there's the fact that you're not editing things out. I think it was either you or Dan said there was like a time where there was like a big gust of wind or something like blew Dan away. And. Yeah, I think it just, you know, it was with all the recording equipment, it's just like the show continues.

Absolutely, absolutely. And there have been times where things we've done, live podcast episodes where, you know, there's a live audience will be at like the Hershey RV show or the Tampa show, and something crazy happens. So now I'm trying to maintain everything that's going on. Something crazy is happening with Dan, and I've got to explain to the audience what, you know, to the podcast audience what is going on, because.

Sounds like chaos over there.

Yes, a little.

Yes. But it's fun.

It is. And that's so. I love the realism behind everything you guys do. And. Because before that, what, before RVing and all of that, you were a school teacher, correct? Like, totally different life.

Yeah, totally different life. I was actually a high school teacher for 20 years. Almost 20 years. And I used to. I tell this story a lot. I hated to speak in front of people, so speaking on camera, on a podcast in front of an audience was something I was never going to do. And I would tell people how back to school night, I had a team of teachers, so I'd make them do back to school night with me so I could hide behind. There's always that one person that wants to speak, so I would hide behind her. And so obviously I've had to learn and get over my fear. And I've spoken in front of audiences and obviously podcasts and video. And I look back and I'm still not sure how I got here from there.

I can relate. I mean, I was never the. The outspoken kid in school at all. It wasn't until like the end of high school, maybe even after when I was like, oh, yeah, I think it was playing in a band for me. It kind of like forced me in front of people. So, I mean, I'll do it, but the podcast helped, that's for sure.

Yeah. Well, the show itself, like, so tell me about, like, so when you guys started the show during COVID Great time to do it, by the way, because so many people, I'm sure the market was, like, flooded with interest in the show. Like, you had pretty quick success fast, right?

It was. And to this day, I'm still blown away by it. So I think within the first month, we got a message that said we were in the top 10% of all podcasts worldwide. And I couldn't believe it. And I went on, I googled and I was just blown away. And then a month or so later, we got a message that said we were in the top 5% of all podcasts worldwide. And I just. I was in total disbelief. And still to this day, when people ask and I say it, I. I hear myself saying it, but it's unbelievable. And what that says to me is people want to hear what we have to say. And that is my goal in doing it. I wanted the ability to have another platform to inspire people, to educate people, entertain people. And so that it. I'm. I'm excited about that. That people are listening.

Yeah. And that's the thing. I mean, the fact that you're showing up, you've been consistent. I think you're taking people on your journey. Like, that's the thing that I've always said about podcasting. It's like this one to one kind of connection that you can get with some, especially in the audio side. YouTube and video, it's a little different, but still you have that unique bond in a way where no one usually is listening with you or watching with you. You're like, I really know them. So when they find you at a RV show or a conference, they're. They're probably picking up what, like one of these places that you're at. Like, have you experienced that?

We. The. It's crazy. That is something that happens. I'm at an event for Integra. It's a class A RV company manufacturer. So we're at a private event, and the president of Freightliner, Freightliner, custom chassis, huge corporation, we're standing in line and I'm saying, well, this happened. And he said, yes, I know. And I said, well, this. I do this. Yes, I know. And everything I Said he knew because he had listened to every podcast episode and could repeat. So. So. And then, yeah, I have a good friend of mine, he's probably my biggest fan. He listens to every episode and there is nothing he misses. So there is nothing I can say that he.

Watch yourself.

I know. No, I have. I've become self conscious of what I'm saying because I share something silly like I shared one time that I use a journal. I journaled almost every day since I'm a teenager. And I books in these journals and. And I like to journal with a pencil. It's got to be a regular pencil. And I will get people that remember that one little thing and I. I can't even remember saying it, so it is kind of crazy.

Good thing or not. Are you left handed or right handed?

I'm right handed.

Oh, good for you. Yeah, I'm like journaling with the pencil would not work for me. It's just messy handed.

Messy.

Yeah, I like that. That's. That's impressive. By the way, journaling since you were a teenager, I mean, there's gotta be a lot of benefits for that alone. I mean, that could be a whole talk. Yes, it's like the trend now or.

Whatever, but yes, it is. And I think it's very. It's very beneficial. It's very. I will journal about feelings and nobody ever looks at it and someday I'll write a book and share what's in there. But it is. It is one of those big things when you know you're going through stuff especially.

Yeah, it's. I mean, you gotta unload the thoughts and no matter what's going on, happy, sad, whatever, ups and downs, it's just a. Another way to look at yourself. Right? The look at the inner. Inner thinkings or the. The cogs that are spinning for better or for worse. But that's cool because I know it aligns with your bigger mission as well to, you know, like to be your best self, to live full out and to experience life, which like, definitely I'm. I feel like that's everything you do. I mean, not only as a teacher. So thank you for doing that because that can't be an easy profession for some reasons. Obviously you don't need to name all.

But this whole pivot to RVing, it's like you're literally showing people a different way to live is. Is how I take it. This whole, like it's almost like a. A freedom that people desire. But I think maybe looky l. Most of the time, you know, and living through you vicariously, in a way.

And I hear that a lot. People, you know, we'll. We'll be in a restaurant and have our RV Life podcast shirt on. And they'll ask and they'll say, oh, I wish I could do that, or, I'm looking forward, someday I'll do that. And then I have people that are, you know, a little up there in age. When I retire, I'll do that. And, you know, I always try and tell people, go out, rent an RV for a weekend. You don't have to jump in and go full time. Don't wait. Don't wait till the. When I, you know, when I'm. When I'm done working, when I retire, when I this, when I. That. Because sometimes you don't have that opportunity. So I always say that to people, and people are so curious.

It's just amazing that people that come up to us and want to know about it.

Well, it's almost like you're giving them permission in a way, right? Like a. Permission to live.

It's like, yes, totally.

Is that. Does it feel like it a little bit?

Yes. Because listen, people in the RV world will say, did people think I was crazy when I did it? I'm sure they did. I didn't even my family, because I expected them to think I was crazy, but I just jumped in and did it. I mean, I'm not usually that impulsive to go from the idea. And three months later, getting in the rv, selling, we sold everything and jumped in with both feet. That's not usually me, but I think that Covid put a spotlight on live. You know, get out there, do what you're going to do. And I just thought, if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. And we'll get a house, we'll get an apartment. You know, we'll figure it out from there.

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There's so many backup plans and I feel like cuz to be honest, I'm guilty of saying like there's some of this stuff with my wife and I, you know, like we've talked about like it'd be cool to do an RV thing and all that. We've done little stints. Not usually in an RV though, usually in our own car and doing it that way. But to your point, it's like what's stopping you from at least renting something, Going out for what, like a couple weeks? I don't know, like what would you recommend to like have someone start?

Yeah, I think it really depends going out in a car if that works. You know, there's something to be said for being in a car. Pulling. We lived in Las Vegas, so going up into the mountains in Las Vegas, pulling the car over and looking at the stars like you've never seen them before. It could be an evening, just take those little steps and people that'll say, what kind of RV should I go full time? That's such an individual thing. Try it, try it. It's a very different kind of vacation or trip than going to a hotel, flying somewhere, being in a hotel. Listen, I love the hotels, I love the room service, don't get me wrong. But being in an RV and being able to pick up and go somewhere and you know, for people to be able to get a taste of that, they could go into a campground and rent a cabin. There's all different types of rentals that you could do without driving it there. There are a lot of campgrounds that have RVs that are set up that you can rent the RV. That's good experience that way. So there's so many different options. Just. Just start somewhere.

Is it on Airbnb now? Like, I know some people set up these kind of RVs that are just sitting in a spot, but yeah, I wonder. I don't know. I haven't thought of that. But I like the idea of like, hey, it's all pretty set up for you.

Yes, yes. And. And that's something to check if somebody's going to rent it. Make sure you know what's there. Because some cabins, you have to bring sheets and stuff if you're flying in, that doesn't work. If you're driving, it works a little better. But there's so much for some people having a tent. You know, you could rent the tent and the sleeping bag and things like that. I quickly learned that a tent was not my thing. No, no, not so much. I like the running water and electricity.

A shower.

A shower. Yes, a shower.

That's my wife as well. Like, I loved camping with friends back in the day, even doing some backpacking. But there is a point where you're like, a shower or nice bed would just be nice, you know, and not wind blowing or whatever elements.

My, my big secret is I need to be able to plug my cappuccino machine in.

Now we're talking.

That's, you know, my idea of camping. Cappuccino machine.

It's true. Yeah. I mean, the one. The kind of road trip that my wife and I did, we actually did bring the biggest appliance was our espresso machine. And we're like, well, we're going to be. It was in an Airbnb, but we sure as hell did use that while we were popping around different places. Yes, it works.

Absolutely. Absolutely. And again, there's no one thing for everybody. For some. For me to say, oh, definitely go out, sell everything, go full time. No, there's no one scenario for everybody. Take baby steps. If it's. I mean, not to say it didn't scare me to death, this idea of getting in an RV and going. It did. But some people need those small steps and getting out and just start somewhere, do something.

Well, I want to go really fast to the business side of a podcast because I think that's the part that most people struggle with. And I feel like you, like right when we met you and I say we because Jacob. Jacob and I were like, A duo at podfest. And. And yeah, is. We just had so many chats with y', all, you and Dan, and the business side, like, it was just cool. How to hear the back end of how you did this, Like, RV Life being a brand that already existed. And then here you are with a podcast that can totally correct me if I'm wrong, but you tapped into the brand. They already had an audience. And then here you are. Yeah. With like, you have like, you're just selling like crazy, all these sponsorships and all these things.

Yes.

Pretty sweet.

Yeah. And again, it was very surreal. Dan had said we were already doing the YouTube channel. We were traveling. He said, let's start a podcast. And my thought was I didn't want to take something else on from scratch. And not a month later, the people from RV Life came to us and said, we want to do a podcast. You guys would be great hosts. Let's partner. And from there we created, you know, an agreement and they brought on RV Life brought us the first sponsor. And then after that, because I'm at shows and I'm talking to people, connecting, and people would say, how's the podcast? They would ask for the number. So what are the download numbers? And then I have to explain that the numbers don't really mean anything because there's nothing for them to compare. It's not like YouTube channel. You could see subscribers and stuff like that. So I'd say, but we are in the top 5% of all podcasts worldwide. And so the.

Self, it's old itself. The advertisers came out of the woodwork. I was telling people, no. I was like, sorry, we don't have space. I was also deciding what. Who I wanted to partner with, what was authentic. For me, it wasn't just selling that stuff space. It was just somebody that. A product or service, a person that I truly believed in and wanted to partner with in that way. And so all of our. My ads now are live read because I could truly talk about the product or service.

That's a big tip right there. Big tip. Right?

Right. So it's just, again, it's the authentic. It's the real connection. And, and people seem to. I. I was just on a call with the team about moving forward with the podcast for next year. And actually Jacob said, well, you only have like two or three ads, right? And I said, no, there's five of them now. Jacob listens to everything, but because of the way I do, it doesn't, I guess, doesn't seem like an ad, which Was my. That was totally. My plan is to not be like, here's the ad.

Now you just kind of work it in, naturally.

Work it in.

I think it's great. And especially because you're picking and choosing things that are relevant, things that are true to the audience and you. So, yeah, I wanted to. I wanted to share the whole, like, business side of it because I thought it was awesome. And I mean, there's so many shows out there, and I know a lot of y' all listening have a podcast, and, you know, it's. It's okay to attach to someone else's audience or a brand and then figure out how to provide value that way. And, yeah, they might introduce you to the sponsor, the partner, affiliate, partner, whatever. It might be in a way that you couldn't maybe do yourself, or it's, like, kind of running uphill if you tried to do it yourself.

And the one thing I think I'd say to your audience, because I know, like, when we started the YouTube channel, we'd see these YouTube channels that were so successful, we wanted the secret sauce. We wanted to be able to do it. We wanted to jump to the big success of YouTube and all the money you make in YouTube and not so much. It doesn't happen that easily. I think that people going into the podcast, my opinion, my suggestion would be, don't go into it thinking you're going to make money, because it is a long road. And I just had somebody say to me, I just started my podcast. I have 20 episodes. What do you recommend? And I said, make sure what you're doing is something you love. If you're not loving the episode, the person you're talking to, don't do it. And that's, I think, the biggest suggestion I could tell people. That's what I did. I went into it. I really enjoy this. I enjoy this topic. Let's do it. And if not, I don't do it.

So, yeah, I think it's great advice, because the thing with podcasting, it takes time. It's not an overnight thing, and it's consistency. The only way to do that and actually genuinely show up with your true self is to be interested in it. Have a good time. Should be fun. I mean, let's. It should be a good time.

Yes.

We get to choose.

You know, like, well, on that point, I mean, I want to. I want to go to, like, the new endeavor that you're now in, the middle of, which, I mean, goes back to resiliency, you know, living full out, continuing what you Love. And I don't know, you've had some big shifts this year, and it's. It's wild. I can't even describe it. But, yeah, you're reinventing yourself in the business and all that stuff right now.

It's big shifts is a way to put it. So just so your audience has a background. Dan and I have been together for almost 20 years. We just had our 13th anniversary, and last year he was having medical issues. In March of this past year, he had had some strokes that was, you know, created a huge problem. And in April, he was hospitalized. And I was told in April that he is cognitively impaired and he would need nursing home care and would never get better. And so, you know, horrifying, shocking as anybody can imagine. And it's like you said in that. And I've grieved and I've gone through the grieving process, and I'm still going through it. And I have, thankfully, a very supportive family and friends and counselors and a slew of people that have helped me through it. And I think in any challenge that anybody faces, there is always something to come out of it that could be beneficial. First of all, the challenges have made me stronger. I have had to, you know, thinking, oh, my goodness, I'm not going to be able to do this on my own. Well, I had to pick myself up and do it on my own. So I've had to shift business, all the business, you know, all the background stuff you go through when you lose somebody because basically been a loss because, no, I choose to move on. And in all of this, I hope people realize again, life changed in a blink of an eye for us. I will never forget standing in the hall of the hospital and Dan's best friend holding me by my arm, saying, you need to take care of yourself. He's not going to get better. He's not going to come out of this. That's something you never forget. And so to then again, grieve, because that's part of the process. Definitely. I've done more crying than I could even count. But then there's, okay, it's time to pick myself up and go on. And that's what Dan would have wanted.

I have a, you know, I. I now have a bigger mission to inspire people to live life fully. It's not a. When I get to 60 or 65. He turned 65 in June. He's not like that old. So, you know, the message I want to get out is go out, live life. If you have a dream, you Want to go to the Albuquerque balloons? He has to stop just saying I want to go Plan. Make plans for it might not be this year, but plan for it for the next year. Start putting the money away. Start figuring out date. Start. Start somewhere with something.

It does change in a blink of an eye. I mean, everything. No one knows what's going to happen. And I mean, I, like, I lost my dad very early, well, five years ago. But, you know, it was on out of the blue. I mean, his case, it was suicide, so I didn't see that coming, of course. And I had all these other plans of things I wanted to do with him, for instance. And I'm sure we all have a story like that of. It's like the what ifs almost. And it's like, this can drive us mad, you know? And I mean, I love. Thank you for sharing, by the way. And I mean, Dan's such an awesome, cool dude, too. I mean, like, genuinely. And I kept saying to Jacob even before, you know, I think we told you to. It was like, just want to keep hanging with you guys the whole event.

Pretty sure we said that with you guys. I felt like I was being a stalker.

Okay.

We had such a great time. And you know that you talked about the possibility of the podcast for the following year and doing your mastermind. It was like I said to Jacob, I said, absolutely. You guys have to, like, there's no question. You've got.

You're in my head. I guess we have to.

Yes, yes. But also to your point, and again, probably a conversation for another time. Mental health is something that is huge, and I think it plays a part whether somebody's sick and has a stroke or commits suicide. And it's something that I hope at some point to be able to go down that road and help in some way. But that's. That's a big one. That's. That's help.

You're doing it already. And that's where putting yourself out there on the podcast and. And showing the realism, the real sides of what you do. And so I feel like RV is equal freedom. You know, it's like it expands you in different ways. And of course, I'm not speaking from experience, but I know a lot of people. Like one of the old partners of mine, Randy, he lived in an RV for a long time, and he was talking about how it's always. It's changed his life massively, and just the different experiences you can't even predict. And. And to your point, I mean, like, live life fully, like, do you see, where do you see people hanging up the most? And. And I'm curious of just like, you know, putting it out there. I think we've heard it, but it's like, how do you actually just go do it? And I guess you. You said, rent an rv, go plan some stuff, but, like, are there some common things that people maybe from your listeners that just, like, hold them back from actually just doing the thing?

And I think with it's. It's almost an analogy for anything you want to do. You look at this great big, massive. How am I going to do this? What about getting gas? What about dumping tanks? How do I know what kind of rv? Like, so you make it this huge mountain. And the way I see it and the way I used to teach people is when you're looking up that huge staircase, if you look at the top and you're carrying and you're tired and you look at the top, it is dreadful. But all you have to do is look down at that first step and take one step. That's all you have to do. And it's the same thing for breaking something down. Like, okay, let me go rv. No, just break it down to one step. What do you want to do? I want to go see the stars. I want to sit by a lake and enjoy the water running by. I want to climb a mountain. Pick one thing to do and just get started, because that's what holds people back. They never just take that one step, think about that one step, and get started on the journey. Sometimes it's just sharing with the person that you're with, because a lot of times people go, you know, as a couple or partners or whatever, share. Hey, this sounds crazy, but I'm thinking about this RV thing.

I like that.

Yeah, There are RV shows. The Hershey RV show is takes place in September, and the Florida RV show in Tampa is in January. It's a great place to start and talk to people and, you know, get information, be with people who have done it or are thinking about doing it. And that's a great way to take that one little step. It's baby steps.

Baby steps. That's it. And I'm thinking, like, now back to journaling, because, I mean, you've been basically a lifetime journaler. Like, is there. Do you feel like that could be a tool that can help you? Like, have you used that as a tool to just, like, bust through your own mental stuff? Or do you have any maybe frameworks that you go to that that can help?

Absolutely. And I've Gone through a lot of.

Personal development. I've, you know, done therapy, I've had mentors, I have coaches now that surround me. It's all about exploring, you know, me, what holds me back, why I was so afraid to get in front of people when I was a teacher. I've done a lot of that and that's what's in the journals. I like journaling and I used to do this with my kids in high school. So I worked with at risk youth and I was mentors. I mentored them, I was trained and I mentor them. And I love that part of it. And so what I'd have them do is I would give them a booklet and say, and I recommend this for anybody. Start writing. Set a timer for one minute. Don't stop writing. Keep going. Keep writing for that minute. Increase it as you go on. Don't worry about spelling, don't worry about how it looks, don't worry about punctuation. Just keep writing. And if you get to a point where you think to yourself, I don't know what's right, just write, I don't know what's right, and just keep going. You could increase that. I've done that for 15 or 20 minutes. Timer went off and kept going. And then in it sometimes you'll say, okay, here's where the hang up is. Here's where the problem is. Here's where what, what is really bothering me. Because usually what you think is bothering you, that car pulls out in front of you and you're screaming like a lunatic. It wasn't the car that pulled out in front of you. It was all the stuff that's happened that's built, that's filled your cup up. The car pulled out in front of you, your cup is now overflowing. So I think writing is definitely a powerful way to, you know, unload that full cup. For sure.

Yeah. I'm have a journal next to me and I hate to say I have not been consistent for a while. I was very consistent.

But I'm going to say don't. Because one of the things I think happens is when somebody talks about let's journal or somebody talks about meditating, any of those things, they have this pressure on them that I haven't done it for a week now. You feel bad, don't. Do you? If you feel like picking up that journal and writing, right. If it sits there for a month, that's okay too. Because sometimes, like I know there are some people that'll talk things into a, you know, record it. They don't like to write or they'll type it out or, you know, they'll sit quietly and think about things. Whatever works for you. Again, I don't put people in a box. I don't think there should be any pressure of. Oh, you didn't journal today. No. Just let that stuff go. Let it go.

Thank you.

Yes. New or free, you are forgiven.

Thank you. And you listening, Watching. Same goes to y'. All.

Yeah.

Because I think it's a pretty common thing. So. Yeah. Free. Live life to the fullest. I mean, to wrap it up, I mean, I'm just. This has been fun and I'm happy we did this, Patty. And throughout this whole journey. And you might have already said it, but, like, is there something that you've taken away that's kind of like, that's gonna also help you carry on? You know, like, you did this big pivot from school to doing the podcast and videos and then, you know, with a partner with Dan along the side. And now Dan is not with you on that. Like, what have you learned that is going to keep you going further for a long, long time?

Dan and I did everything together. Everything. Literally. We went to Costco together. I would, if I was getting on a meeting or doing a podcast like this, I would ask him, you know, like, what should I do? Blah, blah. What I've learned is I can do it on my own. I'm strong enough, I'm capable. I need help. I need to ask for help. It's okay not to know how to do everything. It's okay to depend on people, but I can do it. That's the big thing that I learned here.

Awesome. That's, it's, it's great. And I'll just say, like, I'm in a mastermind locally here, high level mastermind, very big businesses. And there was one gentleman, won't name him. He's actually been on my show. But like he said, I'm actually asking for help for the first time in, like, I think something, something like 20 years. He's like, I'm just not used to it and it's scary as hell. And I think a lot of business owners, a lot of entrepreneurs, self starters, have that same mindset.

Goes to mental health too. You know, like people that might feel like I could figure it out. I'm prideful or whatever the story, it doesn't matter, but ask for help.

Absolutely. Yes. You. You it is. I have people thank. I am so grateful to people. I have family, I have friends and people that are what can I do to support you? Truly mean it. And that asking for help. And then I asked for help and I had somebody that helped me start my new business name, start my business, get my ain number, the bank. Yes, you have to ask for help because it doesn't make you weak or less than or not capable. Everybody needs support and help for sure.

Love it. Patty, I appreciate you so much. And again, thanks for being open, sharing and I, I know it's true from your heart, from your experiences and sending love to Dan too. So thank you.

Thank you.

So pass that on.

Yes, I will. And thank you. I appreciate you. I love the podcast, I love what you're doing and thank you for having me.

Very welcome.

Sam.