Break the Glass Ceiling!

Hello, everyone. I'm Katie McManus, business strategist and coach. And I'm so excited to be here this evening with Nick Frick, who is an incredible career change coach. That's how I introduced you, right, Nick?

Love it.

Yeah. She's also a coactive coach. So if you don't know that about me, I'm a certified trained coactive coach. The style of coaching based in San Francisco Bay area, but worldwide. It's an incredible network of coaches and it's one of the reasons that Nick and I are in the same world. And I'm so excited to have you here tonight. How are you?

You good? Good. I am feeling a lot of ease knowing that you're in 85 and hot and I'm just like in San Francisco right now and not a part of that at all.

And just, I mean, for those of you watching, if you've seen me go live over the last couple weeks, like I'm on this screened in porch, literally the reason I'm here is because it's like my office is an attic. So it's like 105 up there. And it's also 90, 90% humidity right now on Cape Cod. And it is just. I mean, it's that weather where you go and take a shower because you're hot and you're sweaty and then you get out and you're still hot and sweaty. It's like you might as well not have not taken a shower. You're just as wet as out as you were when you were in the shower. It's so uncomfortable. So I'm very jealous of you in San Francisco.

Oh, yeah? Yeah. It's really bliss over here, being honest.

Oh, my God. Well, okay. So weather aside.

Yeah.

I want to talk about what it is that you do because it's so. It's so cool on one side. I mean, it's just like this incredible process that you take people through. But mainly it is so fucking needed right now because there's this mass resignation. People are changing jobs left, right, and center. They're realizing what doesn't work for them anymore, what they're no longer willing to compromise on. And they're going out and looking for something better. So what brought you to this? And I kind of know this, but I'm asking this because I want our people to see and hear what brought you to do this work. And also, what are you seeing right now?

Yeah, what brought me to this work? I mean, I've had this as a twinkle in my eye, I guess, since I was in college and transferred from being a pre vet and got to like organic chemistry and was like, absolutely not interested in science. I just wanted to pet animals and have my own business. So I switched from pre vet to family social science and it was like right in its infancy. And I had like really brilliant teachers and then kind of lost that thread for a while and got into a habit that a lot of us get into, which is like, find a job to make money. And so I had really good jobs. I actually had one job that was great on paper, but for me it was just like really suffocating. And I quit and moved to Peru to volunteer for a while, which was like one of the best ideas I've ever had. And I'm very risk tolerant. So when I say that, people kind of freak out sometimes. They're like, what do you mean? And I'm like, well, I didn't know any. Like, it was the only thing that made sense at the time. And it was in 2008 and it was right when the first recession hit. And I was like, oh, I'm in Peru. Instead of dealing with that. And so fast forward, I leave Peru, I come to San Francisco, I have crap jobs because I'm just trying to like pay rent in San Francisco. And my, I meet my husband, my boyfriend at the time, and we move to Boston and we end up getting married on our way. Like, as soon as we returned, we got married. And then I really was. I was working at Whole Foods. And I really loved part of my job, which was developing people, finding people that were passionate about the work. Because you can side note, like in an interview, you can always teach people technical skills. You can teach them how to do things, like teach them how to use resources, but you can't teach them to be excited about something. And so when you're, when I'm hiring, like, I got to make sure that they have like a sparkle about them that they're excited about this role, which is what I loved about that work. And so from working at Whole Foods, I left to get into tech because we had moved back to San Francisco and I was an office manager where it was not a good fit for me here in San Francisco. And I remembered that sparkle that I had of interviewing people. So I was like, oh, recruiting, recruiting, recruiting. And so I reached out to one of my co workers and asked her to send me all of her LinkedIn referrals, which is a huge tip. Like, if you're looking for a job, side note, ask the people that have that job to send you their inbound leads and say, I. I am not available for that, but, like, I have a friend who is. And that's really awesome. And that's how I got this role as a recruiter and then started moving into that and got into tech recruiting. And then. And then I had a baby, and that's when everything got really, really clear for me. People say that things get really clear when you have a kid, but not until I had a kid was I like, oh, shit, that. Yeah, like, I. If I'm not spending time with you, perfect baby, I want to be doing something that I really love. And during the pandemic, I decided that I was gonna try this because, like, a lot of us, we put off things that we really want to do because we don't think we're good enough. We're afraid to try new things. We're afraid to be visible. We're afraid to tackle all of the things that are involved in changing a piece of our life. And, whoa, where was I going with that? Right? And then if you don't, it just happens again. So if I take a job in two years, I just have the same conversation where I want to be a coach. I want to support people in the way that I was doing for free on calls in recruiting. I want to, like, do that really fully and show up doing that. And if I don't do it now, my husband was like, if you don't do this now, like, I don't want to talk about this again in two years.

I want to celebrate that you had a husband who was so supportive, because that's scary as a partner, to see your. Your spouse, your partner go through this and like, well, shit, are they gonna be able to make their half of the money?

Yeah, right?

I mean, it's a finances set up in that way. You know, hopefully people, you know, have a little more flexibility with that. But I also want to stress, you know, that this happens like you. The universe will give you the same lesson over and over and over again until you learn it in relationships. It'll happen in jobs. It'll happen with your money story. It'll happen with your body story. Everything. You can go through, you know, seven different crash diets until you learn. Oh, crash diets don't work for me. They don't for anyone, by the way.

But anyways, you don't have to do that lesson again.

That's amazing. That's amazing. And I'm so happy you landed here. I'm so happy. Oh, my God. And I forgot my other question here. Oh, and who, like, who do you work with now? Like, what is the thing that you do?

Yeah, I am working mostly with women, and what I help them to do is figure out what they actually want to do. And so a lot of people come and they want to make a career transition. They. They don't like what they're doing. They don't like what they're up to. They're overworked, they're underpaid, they're underwhelmed. They're just, like, suffocating from boundaries that they might not even have been able to create at work, or they're working on the weekends, at nights, they're not taking lunches, and they just don't see a way out. And what I help them do is, like, pull themselves out of it first and then help them to gain clarity about what they actually want. Because as soon as we figure out what you want, I. One of my superpowers is I'm like this chaos slayer where I'm like, I take all these things that you love doing and what you've done and what you hate doing. And I'm like, this is what you love to do. Let's look for this and help them pull that. Like, pull that out of them to figure out what they want. Because as soon as I know what they want, then the strategy of the job search, the personal branding, the LinkedIn, the interviewing, the mindset just, like, falls into place. But if I. If we skip that, which is what most job seekers do, they skip the feminine part of the job search, which is like, the discovery and the clarity and the. The doing things and focusing on things that I actually like doing my strengths versus, like, diving straight into the masculine part, which is like, write a resume, do interviewing, negotiate. You're just like, I don't even know what I'm negotiating for. I don't even want this job. And then people get inundated with rejections, and then most of the time, they don't even want those jobs that they're being rejected from. Making sure that people are getting. I help people make sure they're getting rejected from jobs they actually want.

Right, right. I mean, that feels so much better. No, I'm laughing over here because when I first. I was talking about this, the client, too. When I first decided I wanted to coach and I quit my job, I was fine for like, a month. I was like, I got this. I'm going to do this. And I, like, was really busy, and I did a little stuff. Then I panicked. I'm like, shit, I need to go back and get a job. Like, I'm not money. And so I went, and I actually got to the very last stage with three different companies, and I got the same feedback from all three of them. They were like, we loved you. We thought you were so great. We thought you'd be such a great add to the team and you'd really fit in with our culture and the community. But we think you should be a coach. What I'm trying to do, but I need a job to pay the bills so that I can actually make it happen. But what I love about your process is that, like, when you were working at Whole Foods and you were interviewing people and that passion came across, you're actually digging in with your clients and figuring out where they already have passion. So it's not like they're going to an interview and trying to, like, fake it.

Right.

You know, women have to do too much anyway.

Let's not get into that. Yeah, that's exactly right. And that also reminded me, last week, I was talking to my husband after, like, a harder day when I had just gotten emails, and I had set really good boundaries over the weekend and got inundated with emails that made me feel like. Like, this was going to be more challenging than I anticipated. And I was like, so should I just get a job? This was last week. And he was like, absolutely not. We are not doing that. Like, we're not in that anymore. Like, you're. You're in this. It's going to be hard. That's it. Like, it's going to be hard sometimes. And you have to do it because it's like, there's nothing else I could possibly be doing right now. Right. Nothing lights me up as much as hearing women saying to me, like, this was more transformational than I ever anticipated. Like, I feel so confident in writing a cover letter. Like, who says that? Not me. And, like, I know exactly what I want now, and I know how to write my resume for it. I know how to interview for it. And I also know what's going to start happening to me when I start taking bigger risks than I used to take. Like, applying for jobs that I don't have, I've never had the title for before, or I don't know how to sell myself. Like, I remind them that it's expected that you're gonna get feedback from your mind, from your inner critic that's just like, yeah, what if you just did that thing before that you did? That was fine. Like, was it really that terrible? I mean, you can work on the weekends, whatever, or you don't need lunch. And just reminding them that, like, that's gonna continue happening for the rest of their lives. And right now, we just need, like, 20 seconds of courage to just, like, send in the new job resume or show up fully in an interview in an authentic way. That. And like you said, like, it becomes more authentic when you're leading with strengths and things you actually like to do rather than lying. And, like, one of the things that. Side note, this is a secret. I really am great at Excel spreadsheets. I had an amazing boss in. In my. In one of my first jobs who was, like, very meticulous about them. He taught me all the formulas. I know how to, like, make sure that it prints well if people needed to print it for some reason, and, like, everything. And I never want to do spreadsheets for someone else. And so I, like, don't put things on your resume that you never want to do. And I think people, like, feel obligated to do that because they did it in the past. It has to fill stuff. But, like, don't waste your time if you don't want to do things. Yeah.

You know, I call this the curse of being good. And it. I see it happen with salespeople a lot. You know, they're really. They're really good at building relationships. They're very community oriented. They love talking to people and helping. And because of that, they just happen to also be really good at making the sale because people see their genuineness come through and want to be in business with them. This is the trap that I was in when I was in sales. And it makes it very hard because in sales, you make a lot of money. Makes it very hard to switch to anything else that might be more on purpose with who you are, what your values are. That is such a great thing. Oh, my God.

Yeah. Well, the thing is, like, if you're really great at sales and you don't want to leave sales, maybe what you love about the sales isn't the role, it's the company. Maybe you need a different company that's more nurturing and has better boundaries about work, life, integration, or balance, whatever you feel like calling it. Like, there's always something that can shift as soon as you become aware that, like, it's not this anymore. Like, this isn't working. And then taking the time to figure out what you actually want so that you have the energy when you're in the interview to be who you want to be when you're there and, like, ask the right questions and you feel really prepared because, you know, it's something that you really want. And it's so much easier to interview for something that you really want.

Yeah, no, 100%. I mean, you're making me think of when I was working for sunevity, which went out of business. It was the worst company ever. But I worked with a career coach because I was so miserable there, and I couldn't figure it out. I was working in solar industry. I felt like, oh, I'm part of something good. But also, it was just an awful toxic culture. I'd come from Solar City, which is now Tesla, and this coach, like, literally just I. Working with him, I felt like I just, like, gained the courage to just quit. Yeah, it was so great because he gave me the courage not just quit, but to be honest with my boss, that I hated my job. And my boss was amazing there.

Like, Sid.

Sid was just incredible. If you ever get to work with him, anyone out there, he's incredible. And I always butcher his last name, so I'm not going to pronounce it here. But anyway, I said, listen, I'm not happy. I don't want to be here anymore. He's like, listen, I have to lay off three people. Do you want to be one of them?

Yes, please.

I would love to be fired. Thank you very much. And it just, like, you know, I was able to walk with, like, some money, and then it was perfect. And I was able to find the right fit after that, you know, got me to where I am now.

Totally. That's so funny, because I tried to do the same thing when I moved to Peru, but the layoffs happened, like, the week before. And I was like, so can I be a layoff person? And he was like, oh, what are you talking about?

Just the two of us. Like, can I get fired? Can I get fired, please? But, yeah.

It's so funny you say that, that your coach gave you the courage to do that, because he didn't do that. You did that.

Right? But when you're working with the coach, you feel like that was the thing that made the difference for sure.

And why I say that is because. So a couple of my clients have quit their job as soon, like, in between them signing up to be a coach with me or to sign up with me and our first session, and so they're just like, oh, I just knew that you would be here to help me. Like, I didn't need to deal with that. Anymore. I'm like. I feel like I am like a safety net where it's like, I can breathe. Someone who knows how to go through this and can hold my hand and hold the ladder for me is here. And some of those people didn't even tell me, like, when they did it. I, like, heard through the grapevine from someone else, and they're just like, oh, yeah, I thought you knew. Or because we talked about it, like, I figured you knew. And one of the women was like, oh, yeah, I told my husband that I didn't tell you that I quit my job. And he was like, what do you mean you didn't tell her? Isn't that, like, what we're paying for?

That's so funny. That's so funny. Well, and I think that speaks to the connection they feel with you that, like, you must already have this connection and know. Yeah, right, right. Which is really.

Yeah, that's on my husband. I was like, I can't believe they're not telling me. And he's like, they don't think they need to tell you because you're. They're, like, in charge of their own lives, and you're reminding them of that and giving them the permission that you don't need to give them. Like, they're taking it and they're doing it. And so they're like, yeah, of course I'm doing it, Nicole. Yeah. Yeah. It's cool. It's cool to see.

Yeah. And.

Well.

And I. I mean, it's so easy to send people to you because the people that want to work with you that, like, are ready to work with you are the ones that have already decided they are not staying in their workplace. There's no question about it. They are looking for something else they want to switch.

Yeah. Yeah. And there are some people who are like a special grain of lovely Pacific Ocean sand that is like, I know that this isn't it, but I'm still okay with it because I've decided that this is okay. Like, I worked with one woman who was like, this fits into my life really well right now. I just got divorced. It makes sense that I'm in this very stable job, and it's not going to be good in a couple of months. So can we get a head start on that so that when it's. When I'm ready, we can do it fast, and that's really cool. So I get both. Like, the people who are, like.

The.

Ones who are like, I know how a career journey works. It never is the same. Like, Any day I could get fired. Any day I could get laid off or let go for whatever reason. Because we're all mostly at will employees. And so having that sense of, like, what do I do next? And, like, making sure that you're keeping track of the things that you do at your job so that when review time comes around, you have receipts for them. When review time comes around, you can also review if you want to work there anymore. Like, taking, like, making sure that it's still a good fit for them. Like, they're reviewing you. Why don't you review them also? Right. Are they still adding value to your career trajectory? Does this still make you feel aligned with your values, your core values, which shift depending on a different life stage? Right. And so just making sure that you are always saying yes to your job every single day, just like you would in, like, a marriage, it's like. Or in a relationship, like, do I want to stay here? Like, I made a joke on my Instagram a couple weeks ago about Lizzo's song and how she was like, if he don't love you anymore. Shoot, what's the lyric? I don't know. Oh, she's like, if you don't love you anymore, just walk your finance out the door. And I'm like, oh, if, like, you're spending 40 plus hours a week at a job and they don't appreciate you, like, walk your finance out the door. People like you wouldn't stay in a relationship that long. You barely even spend 40 hours a week with your partner or children. Like, it's really important that where you're giving your energy and time is also giving back to you in a way that feels good to you.

Yeah. Well, and here's the thing that we all like you and I know, and it takes some practice, like, it takes some jumping and like, letting the net arrive underneath you. To realize this is true is that things always work out because we are creative and more resourceful and we find a way to make it work.

Yeah.

You know, walking out the door and saying, guys, I'm done. No more. Thank you very much. Peace out. I'm like, taking my box of stuff home. There's always going to be, like, a better option that will arrive at the door.

Right. And it won't get to the door to you until you say, no, no, I'm not. Because every time you wake up and you say yes to this thing, the universe, the creativity that you have, doesn't have an opportunity to do the problem solving it needs to do. If you're stuck in a job that you hate. And a lot of times people are stuck in jobs that they feel like they can never leave. And if the decision is to stay, you need to pay rent, you need to pay utilities, you have childcare to take care of. Like, that is absolutely a genuine reason to stay at a job and realize at that point that that's like, a decision for now and that it can change in the future and there's going to be possibilities in the future that that can lift that. And, like, acknowledging that accepting where you are right now is a perfect spot to be in, knowing that you're supposed to be there. And then when you need to change, your resourcefulness, your creativity will bring itself about and make everything fall into Place. No.

100%. We have a hello from Martin Carr. Hi, Martin. Welcome. You know, this reminds me of. Are you familiar with feng shui at all?

Oh, yeah.

Okay, cool. So, like, I love. I love the feng shui way of, like, inviting a partner, romantic partner into your life because it's like, okay, cool, look at your bedroom. Look at your bedroom. Is the other side of your bed? Is it made? Is it. Is it tidy? Like, is there space for a human there, right side table, like, in order? Someone, like, plug their phone in at night. Look at your closet. Is there space in the closet for someone to hang some things?

Oh, my God.

I remember this so vividly because when I first heard this, like, I looked over at my bed and it was like, the half that I slept, pile of clean clothes that I don't fold, I just let live there until I go through them all, wear them all again. Oh, God. Like, this feng shui, like, relationship stuff, right? Real challenge for me.

It's so true, especially with the romantic partner. And, like, people have, like, I remember having, like, a twin bed mattress on the floor or like a bed up against the wall. Like, that's not inviting.

And.

Hi, David.

Welcome to the conversation.

And it's so funny because this is like, a really random tangent, but when my husband and I first started dating, he had to move in very briefly because of a housing situation. And my closet was completely full of my clothes. And we got into our, like, one of our first arguments, and he was like. I was like, where? Why do you have so many clothes here? And he was like, I literally have no place to put them. Like, I didn't make space for him in the closet. There weren't any shelves extra. And I'm like, why are you putting all this stuff here? And he was like, I just Need a shelf or even a box, something.

Some container, like, substance to put it in. But this is what happens with the job search too. Is it like, and we've all been in that soul sucking job that, you know, takes up 50 hours of our day, and then we're ruminating about it for hours after the fact and on the weekends and talking to our friends.

About it and talking to our parents.

About it, and then we're watching Netflix and drinking too much wine and eating snacks, like, trying to, like, numb it all. Like, where in there do you have a time to take a deep breath and like, take inventory about what you want, what you don't want, and actually manifest that and go after it in the real world?

You don't.

You don't. So, I mean, I think it's. I love that your clients just quit. I love that they're just like, this is.

I love it. Yeah, some of them do. So a couple of them have. And a couple of them, like, it takes a while. Like, we stay in the clarity, the discovery section for a very long time, but as soon as they do it, they say, whoa, wish I would have quit sooner.

Yeah, I mean, it's. I mean, you and I both do work that lights us up.

Yeah.

It's like you said it, I. I'm with you. I could not imagine doing anything else, you know, and it's like, there's so much regret in spending time in careers that don't do that for you. Once you know what that's like.

No, once. Once you know that, live.

Live a life where you're doing work that really matters, that lights you up. Like, you look back at the years you spent in jobs that made you miserable. You're like, what the hell is I thinking?

Right? It's so true. Like, I'm so grateful I hired a career coach when I was in the middle of my Whole Foods journey, trying to just like, figure it out. And I actually hired a life coach first. And she was like, I think you actually need help specifically in your career. Let me give you a referral for that. So that was like the best thing to have available. That, yes, I needed support in my life, but, like, I needed someone who has expertise, mentorship, advising, consult, like consulting. Consulting. And then also that coaching piece, which is like pulling it out when it was already always available to me. Like, one of my life coach, Kate Hanley, she was like, she was messaging me on Instagram a couple days ago and she was like, it's really special when the things that kind of the Threads that start when you're working with your clients, like, years in the future. It, like, happens because I'm definitely certain I told her that I wanted to be a coach or some sort in, like, 2011 or something like that. And she's like, it's so great that you're finally, like, doing it, but it takes time. It takes time.

Yeah. Well, the journey takes time to figure it out for yourself. And then, like, doing the training takes time. Then putting the business together takes time. Then figuring out your niche and all the little particles, they take an investment. And we're impatient as a species. We want things, like, right now. Right now.

Yeah. Yeah. It's so funny.

But you have. I want to. Because we're coming up on the half hour mark, and I know you have a group program that's coming up.

Yeah.

Everyone I know in my world, hello, People who are quitting their jobs wanting something better. I want you to pay attention to this part.

Yeah. So definitely pay attention to this part. I am very excited to be offering a group coaching program. And this is a way to have built in networking and practice networking in a safe space. Have the coaching that I have personal, like, in one, my private coaching in a group setting, so that you can see how it feels to, like, work with a coach. And then also you get all of my tools that I already use with my private clients. So resume templates, interviewing preparation templates, informational interview questions, like, all the pieces of the elusive job search puzzle are fit into this, into this group program. And it's really for women, actually, who are very interested in getting really clear on what they want so that they can finally have the job that they actually want and to have the courage to do it, have someone to support them, have the net underneath them. And I'm really, really excited. You know, I love private coaching, but, like, when I've done group coaching, like, group coaching is. Is where I get lit up. It's my favorite, favorite thing to do. I love connecting people. I love the challenge of making sure everyone in a virtual meeting feels connected. And. And I do a really good job of it. And so I'm super excited to be able to offer this now. And it's starting in August. It's actually on my husband's birthday. August 10th. Happy birthday.

I'll ignore you.

That was an accident. As a new business owner, that is serious. I was like, huh? I'm in charge of my schedule. Cool. Sorry, babe.

I do the same thing. I did it to my own birthday this year, so don't worry. I made my book due on my birthday and I blew past that deadline. My poor publisher. She's like, so when, when are we going to be done with this? And I'm like, oh God.

Oh my God. Welcome to the so good. So, yeah, it's, it's four weeks. The four Tuesdays, the four last Tuesdays in August at 4pm Pacific. And we're going to meet as a group. Every week has a lesson. Week one is career clarity and discovery. Week two is personal branding and interviewing. So your LinkedIn and what you even do say in an interview so that it's like, doesn't feel like you're a robot and also feels authentic. The jobs, like what to even do and how to reach out to people for jobs so that you get more inbound leads. Like, this would be a great fit for you. Like, that's the magic and then the mindset and sustainability around it. Because as you start doing things that you're not used to doing, we just got to move through it because it's going to happen. Like you're going to want, you're going to want to quit. You're going to want to quit the job search process because it is so big. There's so many moving parts.

Well, you know, I see this. So I host a bi weekly call for women Revenue for support for the members and get a lot of people who are in this process. And there's a special kind of burnout when it comes to doing a job search because you're not just sending out your resume and like crossing your fingers. You're actually going to interviews. You're talking to people, you're doing informational interviews. And then you get to a certain point in an interview process and then they say no. And it's devastating because you let yourself get excited for that one thing, you know, and then you feel like, oh God, it's like you have to climb the mountain and then you get flicked off and you end up right back at the bottom over and over and over again.

You have the best metaphors.

That's also my metaphor for like a sales month because you have to climb the mountain and then you get it. I'm going to be very open about recycling metaphors. Okay, so if people want to get in touch with you, should they just email you?

Yeah, they can just email me. Nicknickfrick.com and enrollment ends tomorrow, Thursday the 22nd. So sign up, please. You will not regret it, I promise. And if you're not a good fit, like if this is not the Right thing for you. You're a business owner. It doesn't make sense for you to look for a job. Think about people in your life who, you know, have been bored at their job, they've outgrown it. They don't feel like the flexibility or fulfillment in the role that, you know, is possible for them. These are the type of people who are really going to benefit from this type of work and I would really love to meet them and yeah, thank you, Katie.

Yeah, no, I mean, I want to be very transparent with my audience. I've had a couple people on interviews this week, you and Karen Strauss. And I don't put anyone in front of my people who I don't believe offers an incredible service that I have vetted and really, truly believe in. And so I'm so excited you're able to join me tonight. And yeah, and if anyone does join Nick's thing, I would love to hear about it. I would love to hear what the process is like and the results you got because that's always so much fun to hear about. Nick, what are you doing this weekend?

Taking my daughter to swim lessons, which is my favorite thing to do ever now. And she's almost 2. Oh, my God. And she, she is just the best. And she's like basically my husband as a miniature person. Like, she needs a child, a new challenge every single day. She needs like new things. Like we saw her on the video, like trying to climb out of her crib. And that's like going to be very dangerous when that happens. Both because she will fall, but also she'll just be like free in her bedroom. And so that same evening, that same evening we, we saw her on the video, my husband came out and he's like, is it bad that I taught her how to climb out? And I was like, yeah.

Why did he do that?

He's really into. He's very interested in her, in her becoming a climber and so any option of like him. She didn't. He doesn't. She can't do it yet. But he wanted to make sure that she knew how to get out safely if she does climb out.

Yeah, yeah.

A two year old really knows how to get out of things safely. So I'm spending most of my time with her and I'll probably hike up. We just moved into a new neighborhood that has a nice little hill called Bernal Heights. And I'll probably take a hike up there. And we will probably, just so you know, because we did promise our fans, we go every Monday night to Taqueria vallarta for lunch.

Oh, my God. You have to take pictures. Can you take pictures and just text them to me, please?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just whatever you get.

Whatever. Yeah. We go there every Monday.

If other people get other things to you, do you mind, like, taking a picture of their stuff, too, and just.

Sending it to me? This is what Mexican food, like, looks like in San Francisco. This is tacos.

Oh, my God. I hate, like, Mexican food. And, like, good, like, different Asian cuisines. Like, that is what I miss. In Massachusetts. There are some parts, but they're really far away. I've tried making stuff myself. It does not turn out well.

You know, it's just the best thing about Boston was this ramen place called Yumi Wokutari, and they had two. Have you had it?

No, I haven't. I haven't had good ramen. I haven't had ramen at all since the pandemic. I haven't. There is one Mexican place on Cape Cod. It's about a half hour away. When I go to get my dog, take my dog to training classes because, you know, I just got a puppy.

Oh, yeah. That's so cute.

Oh, my God, Luna, She's. She's learning lots of things.

Oh, I love that name so much. She.

It's Luna Lovegood, officially from Harry Potter.

Yeah.

But anyway, there's this burrito place, and I will literally go with her. And because I can't have her with me, like, I, like, go to the window and I get the burrito, and I will sit in my car and just crush. Crush a whole burrito.

And it's.

It's good by Massachusetts standard, but it is nowhere near what we have.

Absolutely not. And this place, though, if you go to Boston, it's in Porter Square, it's called Yumi Wokatari, and they have two options. Ramen with two, three pieces of pork or five pieces of pork. And you got to get extra garlic. My mouth is watering thinking about it, and I can't eat anymore because I don't eat gluten, and it's just impossible for me to eat. And I'm like, oh, that's why I felt like crap after I ate it. But while I was eating, it was so good. Like, we had a friend come to Boston when we were living there, and she was like, the only thing I really want to do ever is just like, take a flight, get that ramen, and come home. Really? Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. And also, I'm going to be in San Francisco the week of September 3rd. The week. So we have to get together. Sorry. Just talking about food and making social plans and taking really uncomfortable pictures of other people's food. Anyway, let's wrap it up here, then we can talk about this offline.

Classic. Classic.

Nick, thank you so much for joining me this evening. And I'm so excited for your group program. I know it's just going to change so many lives.

I'm so excited. Thank you. Thank you so much, Katie.

Yeah. Thank you. And thank you, everyone, for tuning in. I'm Katie McManus, business strategist and coach. Have a good night. I will see you tomorrow and on Friday. Bye.