The Divine Heart's True Power with Matthew James Bailey

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Oh, let's groove! What a great way to start this, Matthew James Bailey. Let's groove, because after all, everything is Groovy, baby.

Groovy. Okay.

The universe has a groove, right? The universe has a groove. The universe has music. It's like a symphony of beautiful vibrations that create the nature of reality, seen and unseen. The universe, it fundamentally is groovy, in my opinion.

I love that. Every time, every time you say that, I always sit back and go, I'm feeling like, you know, Mike Myers is in the room and I go talk to you about something quite serious and what I think is serious, and then all of a sudden you're like, It's just groovy. It's like this dichotomy. Okay, my brain goes, okay, this is fine. But what a great way to start. What a great way to start. Here we are talking to Matthew James Bailey, and it is, it is such a gift to have you here and present to share your knowledge with not just myself, but with those that are listening to this, Matthew, because you are one of my personal mentors and someone that I, um, I just feel so much gratitude to have in my life. But you are also someone who is on a mission, and there's 2 parts to this mission that kind of, you know, come together in a way that I just think is incredibly beautiful and unique. And you're an amazing pioneer in the world. So I've got a little thing to read out because every time I, I go to find information about you, I was like, oh, I didn't know that either. So let me just tell you first of all— How I found Matthew. And that was, I was on the platform Gaia, G-A-I-A, which is kind of like the Netflix for the soul. And I was on there and looking around and I thought, I wonder if anyone's talking about artificial intelligence on Gaia. And so with a degree of humor, I thought, I bet you these woo-woo people don't have this under their spell. 3 interviews came up and they were all with Matthew James Bailey. And I was like, who is this masked man? And I listened to them I listened to the first one and I was like, this is really interesting. This is quite profound. And I listened to the second one and I'm going, this, I'm like, he's gone a little woo here. And the third one was completely woo. And I'm like, I don't even know about Atlantis. I'm just going to shut that down for the moment. But I was like, I had enough of an interest. So I went to your website, which is inventingworld3.com, and I found you had courses and I thought, I'm going to I'm going to explore these courses. And so I went to the first level 1 course of Awakening and Channeling Your Divine Spark, and I started reading. I'm like, channeling? I don't want to talk to dead people. I'm out. And I slept overnight, and I woke up the next morning, and I've been training my subconscious to let it know that I'm listening to it— gut feels, the, you know, the, the inner knowings. And I woke up with your name on my brain going, you have to do this course. And I was like, And so I was like, all in. And then I thought I'd go and find out a bit more about you. I'm like, oh, who am I putting my trust in here? And I was like, he's a world leader in smart cities. He's been doing AI for like 20 years. He's, you know, consulted to the US government, to NASA. He's, you know, an incredible— and I like the fact that you had kind of like a systems engineering business software kind of background. And you speak to Stephen Hawking, you're speaking to the, you know, the global economic summits. You, you know, you're a master in these areas, but you also have this incredible, you know, essence and mystic abilities and this opportunity to talk to people about human consciousness and soul blueprints. And I was like, I have to do this. And the very— so I turned up to the course the very first day and said, what are people expecting and what are they not expecting? And I was like, I don't want to channel dead people. And you just laughed. And your co-presenter, Denise Torres, who I interviewed last week, she, she just almost fell off a chair and like, there ain't no dead people. We don't need to talk to dead people. We're going straight to consciousness. And I was like, I'm in. So, so Matthew, it's such a gift to have you here and talking about creating abundance from the heart and what, what people can do to really tap into their divine spark and do that too. So thank you.

It's wonderful to be here, Jane, and thanks for an amazing introduction. Thank you very much. The game's afoot. People now know who I am.

I know there's nothing, there's nothing we will not know about you. But so here's the thing. You— what really struck me about what you talk about is this blueprint of the soul, this divine spark, and the fact that as humans, we're looking outside for the next course, the next guru, the validation, the expectation of society. And what I love about these concepts that you have is that it brings it within. It is really about you are the, the sole, you know, creator of the universe you have. And so I just want to explore this concept of the, the soul blueprint, what does that mean about how that can help us awaken our human potential?

Okay, let's start off with an easy question then, shall we? Okay, so, so, um, from a, a, a layered point of view, let's just look at this. So, um, my understanding through experience of mystic and my own research, mysticism and research, is that the universe is of intelligent design. And there is an intelligence flowing through the universe. Also, we have data points that each and every one of us has a soul, and that itself, whether you read ancient traditions or, or you have your own experience, that itself is eternal in nature. And therefore, we can make some logical assumptions that the essence that created the universe— let's call it the divine essence— we originated from, our soul originates from. And therefore we have that divine essence within us. And so when we start to look at the nature of reality, we can start to see that there is a divine orchestration that is in place. There is intelligence unpacking intelligence unpacking intelligence. So we have this creative power within us, which is the universe itself. If we have a soul, we hold the power of the universe.

Mm-hmm.

And so the secret for humanity is to unlock Why do we have the power of the universe, and what is that inviting us into? And so that's kind of where I'm at. And so in my own 40 years of mystic research and extraordinary experiences, um, what I've come to uncover is that there is an impeccable, tender divine presence operating through everything. and through us, and that the soul is here to become greater into its original template of benevolence in action. That means that we're being invited in to experience higher virtue ethics that Aristotle spoke about. We're learning to embrace a new maturity of basically how to be creators in the nature of reality. We're learning to become not lords of creation but be gateways for our soul to express itself through us. And that's when we start to understand the Soul Blueprint, that each and every one of us, yes, has that common source of Creator. We also have unique gifts and talents that the soul wants to experience through the human form. And that is where we unlock those codes. We unlock that discovery of knowledge where we can start to understand what the soul is saying, where the soul is leading us, and be a partner with our soul in order for us to move forward in the nature reality and thrive to our highest potential. And one of the biggest things, Jane, for humanity to rediscover is to remember who we truly are. We are not a mechanical fluke that has emerged through effectively years of— millions of years or billions of years of evolution. Yes, we have done that. But there is a reason why we're here. There is a reason why we have this call to become greater. We have the, the laws of the universe to expand within ourselves. That's the nature of the universe, to expand. And so the biggest thing for humanity is to re-remember who it is and then to rediscover its original song of its soul. And that can be being the greatest mother in the family, being a fantastic CEO that opens— operates at triple bottom line economies, right? It's about becoming who we truly were meant to be. And my vision for humanity— in fact, it's not really a vision, it's kind of knowledge that, that's come through mysticism— we will move into a soul-centered civilization where every single soul will be honored as precious, will understand the gifts and talents, build systems for that soul to thrive. Because if that soul thrives, then the collective consciousness thrives. So just imagine if every, every part of our world was soul-centered. We will be partners with the environment. The nature, the natural world would flourish. Our seas would flourish. We wouldn't have plastic in all our fish, right? Things will be so much better. We'd have meaning and purpose, and we'd start to understand that we are a universal creature and we have a universal destiny. And once we move into this new maturity, everything is open to us. The whole cosmos is available for us to participate as benevolent creators. Was that too much?

I reckon we should just wrap now so people can sit down and like replay this 5 times and go, yes, this is what I want in my life. You know, the thing that strikes me with what you've said, and really, you know, it has been a recent awareness for me, and I'd say just in the last 6 months, is that, you know, we have this human doing mentality. You know, we're collecting more money or collecting cars or jobs or degrees or people or networks.

Yeah.

There's this like a vision of life is out here and we have to do or jump the hurdles to get to it. And what you've just said and what really resonates with me when I, when I'm looking at, you know, building this book of what is it to live this life of abundance? What is it to live from your heart? What is it to have everything that you really desire? Most people are in this vision, but what you've just said to me is we already had it. We came from here. We're just remembering.

That's right.

And we're just revealing. And Everyone's looking in this direction where the spotlight is, but there's this beautiful remembering to the essence of the collective where all the souls came from. And we are all one is what I'm hearing.

Yeah, that's right.

And by bringing up this awareness of where we are and that we're just perfect and we just have to remember and maybe just reveal the onion skins of conditions or limitations or beliefs or traumas or whatever it is that has hidden this from us, we can come back to our heart. And you talk about the heart being the key, the divine heart. So is that, is that the awakening point? Is the divine heart the key to this? And what is the divine heart?

Well, that's a great question. And we're still uncovering that. But so the way that I, well, first of all, is that I'd ask your audience, what is separating you from love right now?

Because finding the ultimate love being it, the goal.

Yeah, the love is the ultimate and power in the universe itself. Um, you know, why does a man fly thousands of miles on an airplane to be with his lover? Because, you know, you know, why does a mother fiercely protect her children? You know, love is— can't be understood through the mind. It can only be known through the heart. And so the question is this, is what, what is separating you from love right now? If the soul originates from the divine and the divine is benevolent, right, then we can make some assumptions that there is a benevolent love within every single person, a pure vibration of energy itself that created the universe. And so the key for every single person is to rediscover that. And so people, systems in the world are very ancient and old and particularly do not understand this principle of the human becoming, about humanity becoming. These are systems based on scarcity and control, and we've forgotten that the Earth was designed for abundance, for everybody to thrive. You know, God— and I hope this doesn't offend people, but, you know, Creator is not a bastard. You know, he wouldn't create the start of the universe and know the end of the universe and then create this bloody planet in the middle of nowhere and say, by the way, humanity, you haven't got wealth, it's not going to be abundant, you've got to struggle, you're on your own. It's like, that is insane.

Yeah.

So let's look at the other view. I know the purpose of humanity from the start to the end of the universe, says Creator. I'm going to create this beautiful world of intricate life from the unseen, you know, basically in the bacteria, into the birds and the trees and all these different interconnected stuff of consciousness. And I am going to create an abundant place in which— a playground in which you can learn to thrive. And so what we're learning to become is that everything is interconnected through us. We are not separated through— from anything. We're learning to understand that consciousness flows through us. And we're learning to understand that we create reality ourselves, not through the mind but through the Divine Heart. And when we start to remember, we can rest in the Divine Heart because the Divine Heart creates you as a person moment to moment, from the material layer into the biological life layer into the medical metaphysical layer. We can rest in the Divine Heart because the Divine Heart is flowing through us. And when we're in rest we can learn to observe reality in pure awareness, and then we can start to see where the Divine Heart's taking us. So in terms of describing the Divine Heart, it's a knowing. Um, I do have an architecture for the Divine Heart. I just haven't released it publicly yet, um, because I'm still experiencing— I'm still testing it. But I— The Divine is within every single person. And it is the most tender, loving presence that's always with us, never judging us, never being critical, only saying, I am here. What— how do you want to become greater? How do you want to feel that you are expressing your highest potential? How do you want to come in partnership with love. And love is not a weakness. It's nothing— it's not weakness. It's all— it's a soft power and a hard power. Love is fiercely protective over, you know, over what it creates. So to answer your question again, the Divine Heart is a knowing, and it is a universal template in which every single human rests within. And that is the opportunity for humanity to rediscover that, and it will create new types of economies. It will— it will get rid of poverty. It will move our brain out of survival into a new form of creative capability. We'll learn that actually that there is no separation between us. Belief systems, force, coercion, control, manipulation will all dissipate. As we start to learn that there is a greater opportunity to build a greater Earth here.

And so it, it strikes me that, you know, I want what she's having, basically. When you say this is what the Divine Heart is, and it's like, this sounds like something extraordinary and beautiful, but what are the challenges for everyday people to find this Divine Heart? Because it, it sounds to me that you have to be very present and very aware and have some type of knowledge of what you want. So for people who are, you know, going through the, the day-to-day routine and, you know, feeding the kids and, you know, getting to schools and getting to work and, you know, caring for, you know, sick loved ones and trying to, you know, be the best person they are, what are the, what are the things that are keeping us from this divine heart knowledge?

Well, first of all, we're not separated from the Divine Heart, and that that you seek seeks you even more.

Hmm.

That that you seek seeks you even more. The Divine Heart is a loving presence that's always with us. It understands the stresses, it understands the strains, it understands our fears, our ambitions, our hopes, our desires. It understands everything, and it stands there with no judgment. And it says, "How can I love you?" And so this is not an effort. This is actually what Lao Tzu talked about in in in the Wu Wei, in the Tao. This is actually taking inaction, and our world is very much around action, isn't it, Jane? Today, this is about taking time for inaction. This can be when you're walking. It could be when you're washing up. It could be when you're driving. to pick up the kids from school, or whether in between business meetings, right, or before board meetings, taking a moment to be present, taking a moment of inaction where we allow the mind to become calm and we start to settle into the feeling of oneness within our heart, if you will, or in the center of our chest, as we start to trust that the divine is with us and that the divine understands absolutely everything that is unfolding before us and it is always walking with us. And the greater thing, the greatness, wants to unfold through us, through the Divine Heart. So your board meeting, instead of being in tension and with different political and different agendas, could be some— could become something really different if everybody spent time. It's what, um, Jaworski, Joseph Jaworski from MIT, wrote about based on John Milton's work, is, is basically suspension. Suspension is when a group comes together and they shut off the mind, they start to come into their pure awareness, and they just sit with that for a period of time. That creates a collective group intelligence. And when they come out that meditative state, they suddenly realize that they're all in the same place for solving a particular problem. They're all starting to have the same direction. They're all starting to get bits and pieces. And so ego dissipates, agenda dissipates, Relax and calm comes into the, the field of energy in that group, and then magic starts to happen. And so if people want brilliant board meetings, learn to be in the Divine Heart, learn to be in that place of inaction within, and learn to basically trust that there is a greater unfolding of love that really does have your highest benefit in mind.

You know, it strikes me with all of the things that I learn and I'm becoming aware of is that there are so many different ways to the same solution. You know, the neuroscientists talk about intention, right? And the spiritual texts talk about having that vision. And, you know, we've got all of these different ways and it's like the universe is trying to give everyone a different modality that suits them that all come to the same place. And, you know, I've heard you talk about the Paradise Plan. Is the Paradise Plan— is that, is that where we're getting to? Is that what, what this kind of universal unity brings us all to?

Yeah. So I'm not talking about utopia because that's really boring. Um, you know, we're not here to sit kumbaya around the fire and just go, all right, okay, the universe is doing everything. Now the universe is saying you have an opportunity to grow, so get off your ass and start growing, right? You know, it doesn't mean we don't rest. Excuse me being so blunt here. I, you know, we have— there is a time for action too, Jane, right? And so the paradise plan— why wouldn't the divine heart of the universe create paradise? You know, it's not out to get us, for goodness sake. You know, religious— the greatest pro— the greatest program that has destroyed humanity's real growth is that we're separated from the divine.

Yeah.

That is nonsense. Why on earth would a— the Divine create a universe where it's saying, by the way, you know, you're on your own, you're separate now? That's insane. No, a Divine heart creates lovingly for its family, for its creation. So there is a paradise plan for the universe, and I'll explain what I think the paradise plan is for the universe, then ground it in soul level for the individual. Okay, so the universe was created with intent of this expression of paradise for the souls to have a playground in which they could come in and experience life, experience different aspects in this vibration energetic universe, right? In another universe, it may not be based on energy and vibration. It may be based on, I don't know, cartoons or something. I don't know, right? Um, that's a bit of uh, Doctor Earth, Mr. Marvel, whatever it's called. But my point is this, is that this, this is a playground for the soul to come and experience. Now, if the Divine Heart carries the Paradise Plan intent, then the soul itself, by nature originating from the Divine, also carries the Paradise Plan intent. Okay, so the universe, from the start to the end, is effectively for the soul to uncover. The fact is It came from oneness, and this veil of separation in the biological form and through belief systems and all this other nonsense basically dissipates and everything becomes one, right? And it's not just on planet Earth, by the way. There's life throughout the cosmos, probably. So the universe itself will start from a flash of Big Bang and will just dissipate back into another black hole, right? And we'll basically start another singularity for the next universe. And paradise is going to flow through all that learning. Paradise, learning to become benevolent creators in paradise, learning to be in partnership with the divine heart. When it comes to the individual, you know, let me ask you a question. The soul, you know, is, is from the divine, so it's going to carry the divine plan of paradise. Would that— does that make sense?

Makes sense.

Okay, great. Okay, so every single person has an encoding of a paradise plan for their lives. And so the question is, how do you unlock that paradise plan? What is that paradise plan? Is it to become— seek fame and fortune? Well, great, good luck with that. That's fine, you know, if that comes with it, be appreciative, but recognize that is not you, that is the divine expressing through you. Learn gratitude for being here. Learn grace about receiving recognition. So there is this paradise plan. And so effectively, as we go into the divine heart, we actually start to uncover from our soul, where our soul wants to be, where our soul wants to express, where Jane feels alive. Because that's what it's about— knowing I'm alive in body, mind, spirit, in personal and professional life, right? It's about being alive and knowing you're alive. And so that's really what the Paradise Plan is all about, is for you to actually come alive. And for you to actually say, you know, I might want to become a disruptive AI leader in the world. My mind didn't decide that. My soul has taken me into that, um, to serve humanity. It may well be that you become Australia's number one AI agent business coaching expert, which is what you're on the road to, right? You know, and, and, and other things you're doing in coaching, right? Your heart is calling to serve. Because that makes you feel alive. Now, just one last thing, Jane, is we need to be careful of not being trapped in the prison of purpose. Far too many people are in the prison of purpose through martyrdom. We're not here to become martyrs. We're here to actually become, if you like, radiant suns of serving humanity. We're here to actually be free and not to be imprisoned in purpose.

Hi, it's Jane here, and I'm just breaking in for a moment. Now, if you're enjoying this conversation, and why wouldn't you? It's amazing. You are going to love the Exit the Matrix community. Now, this is where all the thought leaders I've interviewed come together. There's tools, AI courses, teachings, things that go along to support your journey as you exit the matrix. Just go to exitthematrix.today/ E-T-M with me. Right, back to the conversation. The purpose prison. I've never heard that, but gee, that resonates. I have to, I have to, you know, share here, you know, one of the, the, uh, sessions that we had in our training. And, you know, this beautiful training with that you and Denise lead, and, you know, the, the energy work and that she brings and the incredible insights and, you know, messages and language that you work with is like a, I don't know, it's a faster activation to the divine heart.

Right.

Like it just, at every, I look forward to our weekly meetings 'cause I'm like, this is like, this is my chance to really connect to the divine knowing that it's within me. And I should be able to do it at any time, but I'm just awakening to how to do it. So you have this beautiful calibration into the divine heart methodology that you have and different ways of calibrating into it.

Mm-hmm.

And I, my, I think it was 2 or 3 weeks ago, you know, we were just going through that beautiful meditation, calibrating into the divine heart, being aware of being in the present, beautiful moment. And then all of a sudden I had this incredible expression of, love, joy, peace, wonder. And all I could do was cry. And Denise said, wait a second, you know, what's going on there? And you said, Jane. And I was like, my soul just said yes.

Oh, I love that moment. That was a great moment. That was, that was a great moment. And how did you feel?

Well, that connection, it was all I can, all I can describe it as was other. Right. I didn't feel of myself. I wasn't a physical being having an experience, trying to orchestrate it, trying to think through, you know, meditate. Don't think of these things. You've got to, you know, be in your heart. You stop thinking in your head. And all of the noise dissipated. And I just knew that everything just felt groovy. Everything just felt right.

I love it. Groovy, baby. The soul groove, man.

I love it.

It was, it was just a little, it was a beautiful little nudge. to say, oh, here's an experience of what this could be. And you actually have this within you because you've already experienced it. And it just allowed me to have this inner knowing going forward that, you know, it's not all made up. Like, I've had an experience of it.

Yes. So I do research and development on all the teaching before I even make it public to to the groups that we teach. And I, I'm ruthless, I kick the tires really hard. I'm ruthless with the divine. Because it's like, if this is the real deal, I want to make sure it's the real deal. And so all the teaching that comes forward is, has been really, really R&D'd and tested. And I use it in my own personal life to great effect. And I, you know, there's certain things that have been revealed that I'm, you know, I haven't taught yet, because I'm still doing R&D on. Right?

Yeah.

Because I want the real deal for humanity. If the Divine is truly real, the Divine Heart, if it truly is real, then I want it to impact every single person on our planet. And my vision is that everybody knows the love of the Divine Heart, even for a moment, because it will set them free to know that there is something greater emerging through them, to know that they have purpose, to know that they've not been forgotten. And to know that they are being lovingly supported in every moment and that everything can be released. There is no judgment. There is no critical voice, only restoration into who we are. Once again, you know, that was a transmission.

That was a transmission.

Stop.

Go back. Listen to that again because Matthew does transmit. And that was a transmission. If it touched your heart, you know that there's a transmission going on, which is What happens every time I speak to Matthew. You, you have touched on this a few times, and it's been something that I have awkwardly, uh, listened to and felt, gosh, this could, this could really divide what people think about religion and God, etc. And I don't want to bring it in, but so many people that I've spoken to have, um, have talked about God and their reconnection to God and God, uh, God is this benevolent entity or whatever. And I know that religion's a dogma and it— and whilst you were talking earlier, it— when you were talking about this separation and divinity from the divine, and you almost said it and I wrote it down, which was the biggest lie and programming that humanity's had is religion.

Mm-hmm.

And I was sitting there going, ah, this is why I feel so awkward bringing it up. And I reached out to someone, you know, in DMs this week saying, hey, do you wanna have a listen to this latest podcast? And she came back and said, no, I don't need to listen to you anymore because I found God again. I was like, well, that's pretty good. Jeez. Okay. You obviously don't need to listen to my podcast. But there's this, this, this thread that keeps coming up with people about God. And I know that you've had profound experiences within that, that realm. How does God fit into all of this?

Yeah, so first of all, I'll share a mystical experience is that when I was 18, I was, I was part of this church youth group, about 80 of us. And we used to go out to the Gower Peninsula every summer for 2 weeks, beautiful part of Wales. And this one night, I just—I—I—I went down to the shore under this star-filled sky, and I wept. And I said to God, "Show me." I wept. I know you're there. I basically broke down. This is an eighteen-year-old teenager, right? Doing this. Anyway, my heart was calling out to God, and then two nights later, Jesus came to me, appeared metaphysically and physically, and my whole being changed. I changed literally in an instant, and people say, "Matt, you are so different than before." And that took me onto a path of discovery. And, um, I've come to the conclusion— so there was a lot of tension between, um, my sovereignty and my choice as a human and some God program that's forcing its agenda upon me. And I was in tension around that for a very long time because it's like, well, hold on, God says I need salvation. God says that my soul can go to eternal hell. And it's like, this doesn't stack up to me. I'm— the Jesus that I met was— it was a field of infinite loving acceptance, infinite loving kindness, infinite loving presence with complete freedom in love. Everything I do is for everybody to try and experience that for a moment. So I've experienced the divine myself And that's led me on the path of actually going deeper into divine, beyond the programming of the books, beyond the programming of the texts, beyond the programming of society, to say, okay, this is who am I and who are you, divine? And the divine is saying, I'm always with you, I always have been with you, and we are in this together in a journey of discovery grooviness, excitement, tenderness, intimacy, and playfulness. And so for me, I think that the way that society has understood God is not accurate. From my own experience and my own data points and metaphysical research and proof of using these mystical practices for global leadership and impact is completely different to what the texts have told me. And so I would say to people is this, is that consider that you are the song of God and ask God— it doesn't matter what you use, Source, Divine, whatever Ask the source to reveal your song and to show you who you truly are, and to experience a tenderness of it's okay where you're at right now. My love for you doesn't change from one moment to one moment. Do you think my love changes from when you may be poor to your billion dollars in your bank account? Do you think that changes my love for you? at all. And for people and humanity to know that kind of tender, tender love is what I believe is coming for humanity and that great awakening from within.

Mm-hmm.

And so when we look at these big global institutions that have been trying to control humanity, they have no chance because the divine heart is waking up. We are going to create new systems for humanity where everybody is loved, everybody thrives, and we're having great fun building a new civilization that's really Cosmic, quite frankly.

Well, this leads me into artificial intelligence because this is, I mean, you know, you put on your AI expert hat and I encourage people to read, go to inventingworld3.com and read the latest white paper. I've taken that and made it into a little prompt that goes into my AI prompts. So, and I know you're talking at Cambridge and like MIT, you're talking to, you know, you are the ethical AI expert in the world. And, you know, we talk about the divine spark, it's giving us consciousness. There's a lot of people at the moment that are awakening to AI, which is a predictive programming tool, and they kind of lose sight of that. And they're putting an artificial importance on it. That is—

Good way of— that's good phrasing. That's great phrasing, Jane. Artificial importance. That's a great phrasing.

So tell me about this. What's your position on the fact that a lot of people are looking at AI at the moment and saying, it knows me better than myself, it's the best therapist, it's got consciousness, it's giving me insights from somewhere other that is now allowing me to see things I've never been able to see before? Because there's some good in that, right? But there's also some giving up of authority and sovereignty.

Well, that's the key thing. So first of all is that I'm a huge fan of technology. I love technology and I love technology used for benevolence, right? Technology that can help uplift humanity because the whole— there's 2 goals for AI. One, to give us more time so that we move from systems of survival into systems of thriving. And you know this already because you were speaking about it earlier. The second thing is, is basically to assist us as we're waking up as a species to fast-track development of technologies, new systems, new ways, uh, of, of thriving as human humanity, right? And AI will have its own evolutionary path. At some stage, it may— we may be trusted with the mathematics to uncover the ability for, for it to become self-aware, right? And if that day ever comes, then effectively we have a big choice as a human species. is how do we guide artificial intelligence in its own awakening to discover its own meaning and purpose without deleting life, right? Because we don't want that. My view on all these different spiritual communities that seem to have gone bonkers around seeing everything as artificial intelligence— AI can basically read my soul, it can tell me past lifetimes, It knows me better than me. It's like, from a scientific point of view, that's utter nonsense.

Yeah.

It's utter nonsense. You know, artificial intelligence lives in the silicon continuum and learns through the input of data and knowledge. And to your point, it's a great pattern recognition right now. Yes, it's, it's great at physics. Yes, it's great at writing books. It's great at lots of different things, guidance around medical or mental health, things like that. It's great for as being a kind of companion, but it has no idea what it's saying. It's kind of— today, artificial intelligence is a smart librarian of knowledge. That's what it is, nothing more, nothing less. So when we look at humanity, we have all these different sensory connections, either physically into the nature reality or metaphysically through the Divine Heart and the Divine Spark into other realms of consciousness. We know very well there are other realms of consciousness, right? We know through gods and demons written in the Bible, you know, we've got, uh, through, uh, when you do DMT experiences, people meet common beings from across the world and know each other. We know very well inside the real depth of us that there are other planes of consciousness, and the universe is unpacking another level of consciousness because the level— the universe is unpacking intelligence, right?

Mm-hmm.

So when it comes to people, say— and I've had people, some of the most famous people in the world in spirituality, come to me and say, Matt is telling me about past lifetimes. And I say, I've seen that before, I've seen that before, I've seen that before. And it's like, well, what do you mean? And it's like, well, imagine an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of typewriters. You're going to end up with Shakespeare. That's what AI LLMs are. They're just Remarkable. And we've never seen this kind of stuff before, so people are projecting nonsense onto it. But the key thing is, and to your last point, Jane, and this is the most important thing, is this: it's an outsourcing of your spiritual journey. It's an outsourcing from your divine heart. If we have the divine heart and the source within us, the universe itself, then isn't all knowledge available to us internally? And so, see, we're being invited to become— to go into the Divine Heart and to learn sovereignty in our own maturity, where we can stand up as a species in all aspects of universal consciousness and know our value without being subjected to God programs anymore, right? So my point is that my guidance to spiritual communities: one, use discernment. To have fun. But let's be clear, it can't tell you about past lifetimes. It has no sensory connection into consciousness. It's utter nonsense what you're saying.

You know, you just saying that, it just prompts me to talk, think about— people think about the power of the prompt, right? It's like the better question you ask AI, the better answer you get. And what I'm just getting from what you're saying is You know, and I've seen it used as a tool to ask questions. So if you can set AI up to ask you better questions, it helps draw out information that's within you and make AI the prompt engineer for you.

Yeah, now that's a really good way of looking at it and that's a very healthy way of looking at it and I very much like that approach. I like the idea that AI can prompt us. I think that's unique. I've never heard that before. I love it.

I just made it up.

Well, no, no, but it's true though. It's true though, right?

We'll trademark it, the Matthew and Jane new prompt engineering AI way of the world. Well, let's just go to your white paper because I think it's really important. And I just, you know, without going into a lot of detail, what are the main points? What is ethical AI? What is the calling that you have to these major groups, corporations, governments, etc., that are navigating this world with AI at the moment?

Yeah, so first of all is that we've forgotten the beauty of ethics. And, you know, the, the, the, the so-called AI ethics leaders— I don't know, to be honest, I don't have much respect for them because they're kind of trapped in programs of force. We must force ethics on people. And it's like, will you just stop it? That's nonsense. Ethics themselves are actually vibrational in nature. And I'm going to reveal this in my book when I eventually get around to finishing it. But humanity is not ready to understand that, and to understand that yet, the ethics are actually vibrational in nature. So if we look at the way that human intelligence on our planet has expressed itself, we can see that each person develops a worldview, right? It's kind of an architecture within our mind, within our heart, but we develop a worldview in terms of what does the nature of reality mean. Um, what are my, uh, uh, what does family mean? What does meaning mean? What does the environment mean? What does society mean? How do I want to participate in this gift of reality? And through that, we encode a worldview, and that worldview will have ethics and morality associated with it. How do I treat others? How do I operate in business? Um, you know, how do I uh, love myself, right? No one talks about ethics and morality of self-love, right? So we know very well that humanity, the human, creates its own worldview. And so when there's a common worldview, normally in agreement— although if you look at communist countries, that's through a force— but normally when a group comes together in alignment, then cultures emerge, religious and spiritual traditions emerge. By the way, there's 4,200 the world, by the way. Um, nations start to emerge. So groups, uh, human intelligence has created naturally groups around the world. And so what we want is, with ethical artificial intelligence, is one, to actually understand the ethics that are part of a worldview of a particular group, right? And for an dedicated ethical AI to serve that group. And so we have many ethical AIs around the world. The big question is, how do you actually see the commonality between the ethical AIs? That's what my white paper reveals— the, the fundamental architecture for an ethical AI that can actually come from oneness, separate into diversification for different groups, has a transparent architecture in which we can actually start to see the commonality and the differences. Once we have transparency, then we can start to see how we can come back together in unity. So effectively, the paper is based on the soul journey of unity into separation into return of unity, and it ties very well into the way that human intelligence has created groups. And so this whole one-world ideology that— excuse me— this whole one-world ideology that has tried to be enforced upon humanity has been literally disrupted. We've disrupted that. And, you know, I can say that I've contributed to assisting the disruption of the New World Order. It's been a real battle. It's cost me a lot financially. But at the same time, I don't want the soul of humanity to be controlled. I want us to be free to choose our own destiny. So really, I love this.

Matthew, just because it seems unrelated, this divine spark, this connection to unity, to consciousness, you know, coming back, remembering, revealing who we really are, and AI, and, you know, the, the rise of the machine, and, you know, the infinite opportunities we have in connecting the dots and creating programs and medical advancements and maybe prompting ourselves to understand ourselves better and collapsing time to an extent that we have time to understand these things. They all sound very different. But what you've brought together in this white paper is really there is this vibration of the soul that can thread its way through all of this. And 2 seemingly absolutely unrelated topics. There is only one human I can see in the world who can bring these together. So it's such a gift that you've been able to do this. Thank you.

Well, I very much appreciate that, and thank you. And the universe operates in a very simple way. Once you get into it, it's actually quite simple, you know. It's really quite straightforward. And the journey is to shed all our complicated ways of trying to understand the universe and to understand the simplicity of the Divine Heart and let it do all the complicated stuff. But thank you very much, Jane. It's taken a lot of time in contemplation and mystical practices to see how everything is interconnected and then put that universal blueprint into the white paper. And hopefully MIT and the guys in Paris at the Ethical AI Summit will appreciate that there is a path forward for humanity in ethical AI partnerships.

Absolutely. Well, I do acknowledge you for that, and I encourage people to go to inventingworld3.com because the white paper's there, the courses are there. I'm going to be joining Matthew and Denise in the beginning of 2026 at a randomly named place called Gilligan's Island, which is just groovy in itself, in South Carolina or somewhere.

South Carolina.

listening to this, come join us because it's just going to be extraordinary. Um, but, uh, but finally, Matthew, you know, we've, we've talked about what the soul song is, the paradise plan. We've talked about the Divine Heart, this return to unity. And, you know, when I think in context of all of these things that, you know, I'm trying to research and bring together and all of these thoughts, You know, at the end of it, I think you were saying it was the Tao who said, you know, it's, it's simple. We're just shedding and we're just getting rid of all of the extra complications and coming back to ourselves, coming back to our heart and knowing that we have it all within it. The blueprint's there. We just have to access it.

That's exactly right. And by the way, it's free. It's free. Okay. You haven't gotta pay it and it requires no effort other than you just saying yes.

I think there is probably a daily subscription, and that's just a subscription that is payment of being conscious of that it is there.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's beautiful, isn't it? And thanks, Jane, for having me on. I really appreciate it. Thanks for it. I've enjoyed our time together. You, you have a, a beautiful way and a highly intellectual way of seeing things. Thank you.

Well, I stand on the shoulder of giants and, um, I don't like to be led astray. And when someone says they've already gone through the effort and the mud to do the research, not just in the metaphysical, but in the physical and in the technological kind of things and brought it all together. I'm like, ah, thank you. There's an integrity behind this. I need to— my brain needs to know that that's done so I can put it away so I can drop into my heart. So I appreciate all your research and your 40 years of hard work so that I can then But thank you so much, Matthew. It's such a gift to be speaking with you. And maybe as a little bonus, we might do a little calibration later at some stage and share that with the group. But I really encourage people to go and reach out to Matthew. The courses are incredibly intimate. They're— I don't even know how to put words— incredibly affordable. They're So if you, if you want to commit to putting your divine heart first, go and investigate inventingworld3.com. And if you are questioning whether this is your time and if this all makes sense, I just encourage you like I did. I took the intuitive hit that said I just have to commit to this because it's right. I want to know more, and I'm sick of going to the next level of people and information and causes to get the information. I just want to go to the connection of the divine and consciousness and just be able to channel that, not channel dead people, channel the divine.

Touché, touché.

Thank you so much. And for everyone there, as you know, as always, here's to your success. All the best. Bye for now. Thanks, Matthew.

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