Before You WASTE Your Life, WATCH THIS To Find Fulfillment! | Lewis Howes & Mel Robbins

I think you gotta have a dream.

The School of Greatness.

Really?

Yeah.

Please welcome Lewis Howes. Oh, Lewis. I am so excited you're here.

Thank you for having me.

Oh, of course. It's about time since you've had me on your podcast four times. I've been dying to interview you.

I'm so grateful.

Thank you very much.

What do you want to get out of this interview? Because you are-- Whoever's listening, I want them to be inspired and impacted in a positive way to take action. and whatever it is in their life that they need support with. And so that's my intention. Support the people. The people listen, they love you more. That's what I want out of this.

Wait, say that again.

The people that listen to this, they love you more.

Me?

Yes.

That's your intention?

Yes, because then it means you did a great job of getting a lot out of this interview for them. So they're gonna love you more. and wanna share about you more. That's my intention.

Louis? That was a mic drop moment. And I haven't even asked you, so first of all, I gotta give everybody a takeaway, 'cause did you hear that? Like we're talking about your, we're talking about everything, your life story, like so much wisdom that you have to give to the world. And I wanna make sure everybody just picked up on something. That he walked in here not to shine a light on his book and how it would help you, but to actually shine the light back on me and to have me be successful.

That's kind of what I've been doing for 10 years, you know, with my show is just putting the spotlight on others. And I've found that when I'm shining on other people, it reflects back in positive ways. Sometimes it's unexpected, but just for your show specifically, I think it's Amazing how you've launched this show and it's served so many people. So that's why when you asked me what I want out of this, I was like, well, if you do a great job and making great content in this episode, then people are gonna love you more. They're gonna wanna share more and help you build your show bigger. So that's my intention.

Awesome. Okay. Well, my intention, my intention, because I always have like a very specific intention with every show. was to shine the brightest light I possibly could on you because you have spent so much of your success and time and energy lifting other people up. And you remind me in many ways of somebody I love more than anybody else in the world, and that's my husband, Chris. And one of the things that I love about you is you're this big, masculine, Super successful, professional athlete dude. You are also becoming a professional tango dancer.

Salsa, yeah, yeah.

Salsa, okay, tango salsa. I knew it was ended in a vowel. Latin dancing. His hips don't lie, people. And yet there's this incredible quiet softness, strength and vulnerability to you. And you often say a lot without saying much.

Thanks. Appreciate it.

You see that, guys? He's just staring at me right now with piercing eyes. Like, I am saying a lot at you, Mel.

I think it's interesting that you say that because I didn't feel like I had a lot to say when I was growing up because I felt very insecure in school. So I was always in the bottom of my grade all the way through middle school, high school. and it took me seven years to finish college and graduate. And I always had a tutor every semester. And in middle school, high school, I would be in the special needs classes. And a lot of times during recess, I would have to do extra tutoring. So when other kids were playing or having fun, or I'd have to do a short lunch break and then go right into reading class, because in eighth grade, I had a second grade reading level.

So I just-- Wait, hold on.

In eighth grade-- Eighth grade, they started testing me with everything. I went to a new school. and they essentially told my parents, like, we have to either hold him back or we need to get him tutors to get him caught up because he has a second grade reading level. So it was just very challenging for me to read a page of any book and comprehend it. It was just. It would take a long time to read it. And then by the time I'd finish it, it was almost like it was so long that I don't remember what I was reading that I'd have to go back and read the page over and over again. So I would get through a couple pages and what would seem like 30 to 45 minutes and kind of give up. My attention span would be short then. I would just be tired and like, I don't have the focus. That's why I started using my energy in sports. And when I, when I asked to speak aloud in class, specifically in high school, I just felt insecure because I knew I wasn't the smartest. I knew I was always in the bottom of my class because they used to rank us on our grade cards. So I would always be in the bottom four. And a lot of times I cheated my way through quizzes and tests and homework to just pass to stay like not in the bottom one, right?

Yeah.

And so we would get the grade cards, I don't know, every semester or whenever it was, every quarter. And I'd always see in the bottom four all through high school. So I just felt very unsure of myself academically. And so when they would ask to speak aloud, I just would always try to skip or like go to the restroom and I know that it was going to come to me. I tried to get out of actually speaking in front of people. 'cause I always thought people were making fun of me or laughing at me. And maybe they were sometimes or they weren't, but that was also my interpretation of not believing in myself academically. And so when I got into kind of like the business world and life of just being out there after sports, I didn't have the confidence to speak in front of people what I thought. And so I just said I'm gonna ask people questions. so that was in my 20s. I would be in rooms of like networking events and I started going to trade shows and conferences from like 25 to 30. And I was traveling around the country going to all these big kind of industry events to learn and network and meet people. And so often people would say, you're like the most interesting guy here. And I never said anything except for asked questions and would follow up. And I think when, when when you really are interested in other people, you become more interesting. And so I've, I kind of took that and ran with it for the last 10 years of my own show. I was just like, I'm gonna try to be as interested in others and good things come back.

Well, they certainly have.

Yeah.

I mean, when you talk about 100 million views every month on your YouTube channel, which is impacting and empowering people around the world or the 11 million plus people that Follow you online, the 500 million downloads. I'd say that's not bad for the bottom four of your school. And what's one of the reasons why I love your story? Because it's not like you were this heavy hitter in business, sold your company, and now you're gonna go out and tell everybody the secrets. You had to figure out what greatness meant for you, and you had to figure out how to be successful. in a world that was telling you that you weren't. And I wanna go back to really where your newest, I'm sure, New York Times bestseller starts, the Greatness Mindset. And it starts on the couch. And in order to bring as many people as possible into the tent in this conversation that we're gonna have, would you just put us at the scene of Lewis on the couch, what your life looked like, how old you were, what was going on.

This was September 2007. I just had surgery on my wrist, so you can kind of see the scar here still. And they took a bone out of my hip, put it in my wrist. So I was in a cast from my shoulder to my fingers. I couldn't use my thumb. It was kind of locked in this position.

Locked in like a cactus position? In the cactus?

You know the movie Rookie of the Year? This like, baseball kid player who has a broken arm and then gets the cast off and it's like super strength. It was kind of in this position like an L shape like this. I can move it around.

So now can I ask you a question? Yeah. So when you have your hand locked in a cast and a cactus arm position, do your fingers, are they numb all day your fingers?

Well, I can move it down. I can move it here and like here, you know, but I couldn't straighten my arm. And so there's this kind of big bulky thing here and it also just smells really bad.

You know, I don't know if you've.

Ever- Because it's lifting your armpit up. It smells really bad and it just gets dirty under there and you're sweaty and it's just not nice.

Yeah.

So during that time, it's, that's the end of August, so September, November, December, I'm on my sister's couch right before Christmas 2007, going into 2008. And I'm in denial at this time, because I'm thinking my body's gonna heal, I'm gonna go back and play football.

Like this thing's gonna come off.

So you've graduated from College. I hadn't graduated yet. I left to go play arena football. I tried to make the NFL. Didn't make it. So I played an arena football for a season to try to get more practice than go to the NFL. My rookie season, I get injured. I dive for a football into the wall. It's indoor football. So imagine a hockey rink football. That's what it was. So I dove, I snapped my wrist in the wall. that was the second game of the season. So 14 more games I played with a broken wrist. I taped it up every game 'cause I was like, I don't wanna stop and get surgery now. I wanna play. I wanna wait a whole 'nother year to get game film to try to make my dreams come true in the NFL. So I just played through the pain and at the end, the surgeon was like, you probably should have done this before. Because every catch, every block, it was just like grinding the bone and disintegrating the bone in my wrist. There's a bunch of little bones in the wrist. one of them was just kind of like disintegrating. And so that's why he said we have to take a bone out of your hip. And I didn't know it would be almost more painful from the hip because there's no easy way to like sliver a little piece of bone out of body. They take like a sledgehammer and they just go away on your hip. So my whole body was black and blue from my armpit down to my knees on the side. 20 staples. I couldn't walk, just kind of bent over for six weeks. That hurt more than the wrist surgery. So that was a period of just healing and recovery physically before the Christmas time happened in 2008. Now I got my first... How old were you? I was 20, probably 23 at that time.

Okay.

I think going into 24 in that March coming up. And so this time I'm in the denial phase. I'm like, I'm going to heal, I'm going to be fine. My ego is so big that I'm like, I feel like I'm a superhuman. So I'm like, nothing can hurt me, mentality, like whatever, I can take the pain.

Let's tape it up and put me back out there. Wait, is that not the greatness mindset? No, nothing can hurt me. I can take the pain.

That's not it. Now you got me, I'm hooked. I want to know what this is. That's the ego mindset. Which gets certain results, but leaves you feeling very alone inside in a lot of ways. So I get, so I'm in denial. And then every six weeks I do a checkup with a doctor thinking they're going to take this off, I'm going to be fine. And they keep saying another six weeks, another six weeks, another six weeks. Well, it's supposed to be three months turns into six months with a cast on. So I'm not able to straighten my arm for six months. So by the time I actually get it off, I can't straighten my arm. The tendons, the muscle, it won't straighten all the way without a lot of pain in my elbow. So it takes about a year and a half just to, like, rehab my arm to be able to straighten this, let alone learn how to, like, use my wrist and function fully. So I went through a phase of, like, sadness, denial, depression. I don't know about depression, but it was just, like, extreme sadness. Okay. This identity that I had, I may not be able to do again. And it was kind of dwindling every day. I would try to strengthen my arm and realize I don't have the strength anymore. So when I. When I originally thought, like, I am.

Gotta be a professional athlete.

Yeah, I'm like, nothing can hurt me. I realized quickly, oh, things can hurt me and they can take away from my dreams in certain areas. So it was a period of, and right before this, my dad gets in an accident where he has a traumatic brain injury from a car accident. A car comes on top of his car on the road, goes through the windshield, and the bumper hits him in his head and splits his head open. They have to airlift him out of the car. They have to cut the car open, airlift him. He's in a coma for three months. This happens a year before I get injured. So for me, my dad had woken up after months in a coma in a hospital. He was physically alive but emotionally dead. So he wasn't able to really communicate. He just passed last year after 17 years.

But it was-- you- mean 17 years after the accident?

17 years after the accident, he just passed last year. But he had-- it was like he was gone. It's like he was physically there, but he wasn't my dad anymore. He was my dad, but I couldn't have a conversation with him because, I mean, you could speak to him, but I'd see him and he'd say, What's your name again? What sport did you used to play? Where'd you go to school again? That was the conversation every time I'd visit my dad. And he was at every football game. He was my biggest fan. And he loved to see me succeed. So it was, in some ways, if that didn't happen, if he didn't go through that near-death experience, I would not be where I'm at. Because I always had a backup plan with him. He had an insurance business that he was thriving in after 30 years. He struggled to get to a certain level and finally started to make money. Then he had this accident. And he was always like, you can go chase your dream and if you ever want to come work with me, you can come work with me. And you can take over the business one day if you want to and I'll train you up. So it was kind of always like a backup plan. He had to sell his business right after this accident within the year. 'cause he wasn't able to work anymore. He wasn't able to really function in that way anymore. And in a sense, that was the greatest thing that happened to me. Essentially losing my dad emotionally, losing the backup plan, 'cause I never thought I would ever make money on my own or be an entrepreneur or do anything that I'm doing. But that was a catalyst along with my accident, my injury, into saying, okay, I want to make something of myself and try this. So I'm on my sister's couch for a year and a half. in this phase of sadness about my dad, sadness about my identity, my injury. It's also 2008 was like a, it kind of felt like 2020 with the economic crisis. Right. And so I don't have a college degree yet. I'm trying to figure out how to get my degree and finish it while get a job, but no one's hiring people without degrees at that time. So it was just kind of like, what am I doing in this world? Why are these things happening?

Yeah.

One of those phases.

Yeah. And I think I just want to say that there's a lot of times in life where things happen and you can feel like that. Whether your marriage didn't work out and you never expected to be divorced, or you go all in on a business and it goes bankrupt, or you end up struggling with an addiction after surgery and painkillers. And so I think this moment is really important for us to unpack. And so I want to have you read a part of your book.

Okay.

So that highlighted section, I'd love for you to read because it takes us right back to the moment of what you were feeling when you were on that couch. And I want you to read it because it's so easy, Louis, for everybody to see how unbelievably successful you are and not realize that you started in the exact same place that so many people listening are in right now.

I felt like all I could do during those dark days was flip through TV reruns and infomercials with the remote as I felt my chance at greatness not just slipping away, but sprinting as fast as it could go. I didn't know what to think, how to feel, or how to process my own emotions. And on top of that, I hadn't even finished college at the time. I was financially, physically, emotionally, and spiritually broken. I wondered what to do next, and from my perspective, I was now very much alone, but I knew this couldn't be how the story of my life went. I knew there had to be more to my story. There had to be greatness inside of me, but I didn't know where or how to get started. Yet deep down, I knew I would eventually figure it all out.

So.

Obviously your book is a roadmap to that. But can you just talk to somebody who's like, yeah, like, how do you tap into that knowing that you are meant for greatness, especially when the hit the fan and your life feels like a disaster? Like, what would you say to somebody that's listening right now that just feels as lost as Lewis Circa 2008 was?

I'm very grateful that I had a voice inside of me that was keeping me going. And a lot of times when I was in elementary school, I used to say, I wish I was dead a lot. I would get in trouble, get sent to the principal's office, and I would say, I wish I was dead. I wish I were dead. I wish I were dead. And I don't know if anyone can relate to that feeling. I never felt suicidal, like I actually was going to do it, but I remember saying, essentially, why am I here? Am I enough? Am I lovable? Will I ever matter? That was like a thing that was just a constant theme inside of me. But there was a voice that was also like, just keep going. It was like, you got this, just keep going. So I'm really grateful that I was able to hear that voice, even though I was so distracted and the loudness of insecurity was crippling my mind. It was so loud and so overwhelming. that it felt like I was drowning emotionally. And so if someone feels that way now, what I would say is two things. Number one, like hold on to whatever voice that says, even if it's like a second a day that's like, keep going, like hold on to that voice, because that is the thing that has allowed me to overcome so much. And I wish I would have learned sooner what I talk about in the book, which is allowing myself to heal all the memories and pain from the past. And it really wasn't until I started that process 10 years ago of healing past memories where things started to unlock, where I started to feel free internally. And then externally, the things that I was accumulating or creating or developing was more meaningful because before 30, I was successful. I was accomplishing, accumulating, attracting, but it didn't feel enough. because I didn't feel enough. I didn't feel like I was worthy of receiving. I didn't feel like I was deserving of love because I didn't accept me. And it really wasn't until the last two years when I went even deeper into healing that I was like, I'm gonna go back into every painful memory of my past and create a new meaning from those memories. And I'm going to create a loving relationship with any shame or guilt or insecurity that I once had, and just have a new relationship with it. It doesn't mean it wasn't painful, it doesn't mean I wish things didn't happen, it doesn't mean I didn't do things I'm ashamed of, but creating a new relationship with it so it doesn't hurt me today. And those two things of listening to the kind of the voice inside of me telling me to keep going, and being on a journey of healing has given me such a sense of emotional freedom and peace that I never felt in my life. And it allows me to not abandon myself anymore. And I think for many years, I would abandon myself to fit in, to belong, to be accepted. And the more I would do that, I would feel shameful because I was doing things that I knew weren't in alignment with who I was or my highest self was. And so once I started to heal, I could stop abandoning myself, create barriers or boundaries in my emotions or my life so that I could stay in peace and be okay with disturbing things around me by standing my ground in certain situations. And that has been the biggest gift I've given myself because it has allowed me, someone was asking me on the phone when I was driving here, it's like, how did this book come about? I go, I had the idea for it for years, but I didn't have inner peace. I couldn't, I didn't have the energy to create it. and once I got clear on my inner peace, like this just came out and I'm already like just creating so much because I have clarity. And it wasn't until I was able to get full clarity and ownership of accepting who I am where I was able to start doing these things authentically. So it's been a journey.

So.

There is so much to unpack in what you just said. And I'm so happy you went deep. In the beginning. Because it's been a journey from being the 23 year old lost former professional football person to really realizing that chasing success got you so far, but you had to fix what felt broken on the inside.

Yeah, and you know, as a growing up, I wanted success. I thought the thought of success was like the answer, right? And that was maybe, I don't know why that came about, but it was always about how to be successful. And I achieved success on my terms, but I didn't feel fulfilled. And I didn't feel like it was enough. So then I would have to achieve more and more and more to fill something up where I didn't feel enough. And I think there's a difference between success and greatness, where success is more selfish about me and greatness is about we. It's going after your goals and dreams, but making it about impacting others in the process and them being celebrated and them accomplishing as well or improving as well. And it's much more rewarding that way. So I feel like I want to create more, but I'm also happy with where I'm at. And it's a sense of peace. It's like, yes, I'm always gonna be striving for more, at least in this season of life. Maybe when I'm 90, I'm just like, okay, I don't want more, I want less. and that'll be a different season. But for now, I want more. And I'm also just peaceful with where I am because I accept who I am. And I didn't know that that was the game, accepting yourself. It's accepting, but also saying you still get to improve, you still get to grow, you still get to transform, but also accepting and loving where you're at. Okay, so let me unpack this a.

Little bit because I think there's so much wisdom that you just drop like boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. And I also wanna say something. If you're sitting here going, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, hold on a second. I don't even know how we went from 23 year old broke, like on the sister's couch, lost for a year and a half, dad having this, to now all of a sudden this crazy successful business and podcast and millions of folks, like, how did he do that? And wait a minute, Lewis Howes, are you telling me this inner peace? Like, I need to pay my bills. Like, don't be talking to me about that. And so I wanna say a couple things. Yes, we will get to the story of how he went from the couch to building what he built. But there's something much bigger in terms of the master class that is being offered to you in this moment, where Lewis is going to save you the almost 13 years, was it? How long was it? Two decades or whatever of pain that he put himself through. to get to the wisdom and the greatness that he has unlocked in himself. Because I've known Lewis for five years. He is a different human being, a different human being than even just a year ago. And I think that it is possible, and Lewis will tell you this, to be a competitive and to compete at the highest levels, which he does.

Yeah, I still like to win. Oh, yes. But it's a win-win, you know?

Yes.

It's a different type of win.

And to be a calm, Cool and confident person because you have peace with yourself as you are doing those things.

And even just a comment on what you said about paying bills, I don't think you can have financial peace unless you have inner peace because there's so many people that you know that have lots of money who are overly stressed. And more money doesn't always solve every problem. It solves lots of problems. But it doesn't always solve the problem of accepting and loving yourself.

That's true. And I'm gonna add something to that, because both Lewis and I have been in moments of our life, and ironically it was during 2007 and 2008, where neither one of us were able to buy groceries. We did not have any savings. We did not have any income. We were relying on other people to help us get through. And the stress that you feel, When you cannot pay for your basic needs is a toxic level of stress that can consume you. But what I also want you to consider is the added stress and shame and mental beatdown that you add on top of that reality doesn't help you pay your bills either.

100%.

And so whether you are at a point where you've been wildly successful, but you're deeply unhappy, Or you're at a point where you're having trouble paying your bills, cultivating a sense of peace inside yourself, an assuredness that you can rely on yourself, a steadiness so that the world around you does not trip you up emotionally. That that is a superpower. That's part of this greatness mindset that you're talking about. And Lewis has been on this profound healing journey. And so I wanna go there.

The game is healing.

The game is healing.

The game is healing in order to, you know, create anything in my mind.

What does healing even mean, Louis?

I used to feel a lot of pain in my chest or tightness in my throat or disturbance in my stomach. I used to feel like I couldn't sleep at night because I was up for an hour and a half, like ruminating or thinking and stressed. I used to be very reactive. when my nervous system was triggered.

Yep.

I feel like that's the opposite of healing. Healing is learning how to overcome all those things. So your nervous system is in peace when there's chaos around you. It doesn't mean I'm not gonna feel triggered momentarily or feel like, oh, I don't like that or react to a thing or feel disturbed. But it's learning how to recognize it much faster and from a place of integrating healing and lessons, be able to respond differently when there's a disturbance, as opposed to based on a wound. So most of my life, I was just reacting, responding based on wounds that I was unaware of. Or maybe I was aware of them, but I was just like, this is who I am. Don't mess with me. You know? Oh, how many of us have heard that?

Yeah.

This is.

Don't try to change me. Don't mess with me. Like, this is who I am.

I'm fine. Right. You know, there's nothing wrong with me. Like, this, like, reaction. Can you give people a sense that don't know? You've wrote about this extensively in your New York Times bestseller, the Mask of Masculinity. And you talk about this on your podcast, but can you give people a sense of some of the things that needed healing? So I'm going to just point out one of them. So being in a classroom where you cannot do cognitively because of a learning Mm-. You and I both have dyslexia. Yours seems to be probably more profound than mine.

Even reading my own words, I trip up sometimes because I still have to practice, like reading slowly and with a cadence.

So what was that like for me to pass the book to you?

I was even gonna say it. I was like, you know, this is like, I get to practice my insecurities all the time. I have to read on a teleprompter all the time. And I'm always like, Just take a deep breath and know that I just know that I'm not gonna be the best reader in the world and that's okay. And so I just say, you know, I accept myself when I stutter. I accept myself when I stumble. I accept myself when I have to redo a sentence over and over again because I wasn't able to see what's coming next and it just didn't sound right. It probably takes me twice as long to read my audiobook as you do, right?

And.

But I used to hate myself for that and beat myself up and now I accept and love myself. And when I do that, I notice I read a lot better. and I flow a lot better. And it's not perfect or anything, but I'm like, it's just I save a lot more time, I'm more relaxed. And as opposed to I used to beat myself up and be the biggest critic, now I'm just a positive self coach in those moments. I'm just like, oh, you got this. It's okay.

Can we unpack that for a minute? Because I think it's a really relatable example. So every one of us has something that we're self-conscious about or that we beat ourselves up about, whether it's our weight or like, something about our skin or our hair or our height or for you, you mentioned stuttering and stumbling and reading out loud or being slower at something. And you so beautifully talked about how you used to just beat the hell out of yourself. You hated that about yourself. How do you or how did you, Louis, learn to accept something you hated? How do you do that?

There's many different modalities of what worked for you? Of healing. And I feel like over the last 10 years, I was telling your husband Chris about this. I was like, because he was asking me about all these different things. And I was like, I feel like I've tried lots of different stuff because I got a lot of work to do. So I'm willing to dive in and take a look in the mirror and say, Tell me what to do and I'll try it. And I did workshops, emotional intelligence leadership training workshops 10 years ago that helped me unlock and open up about sexual trauma. that was kind of stage one. It was one of my biggest shames that I didn't want to talk about. I didn't want anyone to know about because if anyone knew that I've been sexually abused, I thought no one would ever love me. So it was a huge protection that I was shield, that I was putting up on myself to show people that I was strong, to show people that I was confident, to show people that I was. That no one could mess with me in sports or whatever it might be. and that supported me in accomplishing certain results, but hurt me in feeling loves and harmony and alignment within myself. And so it was exhausting. It's draining. It's an emotional train wreck because you're kind of living a double life. Inside, you know the truth. Outside, others don't know the truth about you. So you're hiding something.

And, you know, I want to point something out about this because we've been doing a whole series on trauma and nervous system repair. And you talked earlier about how your lived experience, even though you were super successful on the outside, is like not in the stomach, tightness in the chest, something in the throat. You don't even have to be conscious about the fact that you're hiding this thing. It's not like you're walking around thinking about the fact that you were a victim of sexual abuse. It's that it's stored in your body. So your body operates in a state all the time as if something bad's about to happen.

I wasn't even like aware that I wasn't telling people. I was just like, you know, trying to block it and cover it up constantly. But it was always in my mind. Like maybe every few days, the memory would come up in some way. It was just like a movie that was repeating on repeat. And When I did this first workshop, a lot of things started to happen in my life where I was having breakdowns, intimate relationship, business partnership, just life. I just felt like, man, stuff is breaking down all around me. Although I'm successful, why are all these things breaking down? I'm the common denominator. A friend of mine was like, I actually got in a fight on a basketball court. This was kind of the tipping point where I was the perfect storm. And a friend of mine who was there was like, I don't want to hang out with you anymore if you're gonna keep reacting in this way. Because I was the same fun-loving guy, but when I would get triggered, I was like, this reaction would come out of me.

Like, you get, like, super physical, like a linebacker or something.

I would just, like, try to defend myself energetically. But if someone was physically trying to attack me, which in a basketball game is kind of a, you know, Isn't.

That part of the game?

Yes, but I would take it so personally. So when it was a cheap elbow, I'd be like, turn around and be like, let's go, let's fight. so I didn't have the filter because I felt like someone was always trying to abuse me or take advantage of me.

Because they had.

Exactly. And so this was kind of the, the last thing that happened. I got in this fight, and my friend was like, hey, I don't want to hang out with you. I don't want to play basketball anymore with you if you're gonna react like this. And it was a tendency that was happening for many months, more and more.

Until this, like, fist fight came.

Fist fight. Fist fight. On a basketball court. On a pickup basketball court.

Yeah.

There was no Stakes on the line. It was just like a friendly game in the mean streets of Beverly Hills.

Yeah.

And how old were you? I was 10 years ago.

Yeah.

So how old are you now?

I'm 39.

39. So when you're 29 years old.

And I remember there was a police station right across the street. It was in West Hollywood. It was 10 minutes away from here.

And.

And I remember going home after this. Well, I remember seeing the guy's face when it was done. and being really scared of what I had done. Meaning, his face didn't look good. I'll just say that. And he. And I always had this rule that I'll never hit someone unless they hit me first. That was kind of like my thing. But I'll freaking get in someone's face, I'll talk trash, whatever. But I was like, I'll never hit someone unless they hit me first. He ended up headbutting me because we were, like, kind of in each other's faces, and he headbutts me, and then I kind of just go blank. and I turn into like the Incredible Hulk in that moment, like this guy hit me, there's no rules. And afterwards, I had so much adrenaline because I don't think I'd gotten in an actual fight since I was like 13, right? So I played football to get my aggression out, but then I no longer was able to hit people legally, right? And so this was a point where this happened and I remember going home and looking at myself in the mirror and being like, who are you? I did not recognize myself. And I was really kind of like shaking because I was like, what am I doing? Like, who am I? What are you, why are you reacting? I started to like ask myself this question and I remember thinking like, I have too much to lose now to allow my anger, my fears, my wounds to be in control.

Because I had built a business and.

I was like, what if someone, I don't know, what if someone had a knife or a gun or whatever? Or I injured myself in a worse way or I hurt someone else? What if something really bad happened? He was ending up fine, we were fine. But I remember thinking, oh, okay, this could really get out of control. And this was nothing. This was like a little incident and I was so reactive. So that's what got me down the path of saying, let me take a look in the mirror. I asked some friends for some suggestions on what I could do. I went to some workshops. The first workshop I went to got me to a vulnerable enough state to talk about sexual abuse for the first time.

Out loud?

Out loud. First time I spoke the words.

What was that like?

The most terrifying moment of my life, to be honest, because I never thought that this had happened to any other man. So you have to imagine if you think that what has happened to you has never happened to anyone else. then you think you are wrong, broken, and the worst human being alive. Now, that was my interpretation, right? And I got to a place during this workshop where it was a five-day experience and a lot of people were going through about, it's a leadership workshop, but we have to go into our past and mend things to clear on what we want for the future and then move towards the future, right? So it's kind of like a process, a journey of your personal life. to help you have more tools of leadership. And at one point during this workshop, people were opening up about different stuff. It was a vulnerable state at this time, but it was like after the third day. The trainer goes, okay, we've gone into these different past experiences, parents and this and that and breakups. We're not talking about the past anymore. We're moving on. We're going into what you want to create for the future. like, we're done, we're moving forward. But if there's anything you haven't shared, now is the time. Like, if there's anything you haven't shared from the past, now is the time. Or we're moving on and you're going to miss your moment. For whatever reason, that voice came back out and was like, okay. And during this time, I started to address all these different things from my childhood. My parents, you know, they probably should have never been married in the first place, but they went through a divorce eventually and just kind of the fear of their arguments and fights as a young child. That was stressful. My brother went to prison when I was eight for four and a half years. So I didn't have friends for four and a half years because in a small town, you know, the moms wouldn't let their kids hang out with me. So that was just a lonely time. And it was traumatic to go to a prison every weekend and watch your brother in a room full of convicts and their families. It was a traumatic experience. for the whole family, you know, being picked on in school and special needs classes and all these different things, breakups, heartbreak. I was like, okay, I've already addressed this stuff. I feel fine here. But what about this thing that I've been thinking about almost every day for 25 years? And whatever inside of me just said, you have to stand up. And I remember just, like, standing up and getting out of my seat and walking to the front of the room. And there's probably, I don't know, 30, 40 people in the room. We're kind of, like, in a semicircle, and I stand up. and this was interesting because I couldn't look anyone in the eyes. I stood up, I looked down at the carpet, went in front of the room, and just said, when I was five, I was sexually abused by the babysitter's son. And I went through the entire story of the entire event. It was almost like I was in the bathroom again, reliving it. And I shared this, but I could not look up because I was so ashamed of what I was saying. And I was just thinking to myself, man, everyone's laughing at me. Everyone's like, you know, thinking I'm a loser, everyone thinking I'm unlovable. All these things came up for me, and I was like, my life is over. Essentially what I was thinking. And I remember sharing this, staring down, like, walk through the whole thing. And somehow I was, like, semi-calm I was, like, standing there just maybe because I wasn't looking in anyone's eyes, but I was pretty calm and able to just get through it. I wasn't crying or anything. I was just getting through it. And then I went and sat down, and there was two women sitting on either side of me when I sat down. And I remember just looking at one of them and she's like weeping and the other one is like holding me, they're crying. Now, it's like 25 years of pain just kind of erupts and I start crying and they're holding me, they're all kind of like jumping and shaking like, you know, they're crying uncontrollably and I'm just like, I have to leave. So I run out of the room. he was in kind of a conference room of, like, a hotel, run out of the hotel to get some fresh air. And I'm in the back alley behind this hotel by LAX, and there's a wall. I kind of just put my hand against the wall, and I'm just, like, sobbing. And a few minutes later, I feel a touch on the back of my shoulder, and it's this guy who's bigger than me. He's probably in his late 50s, and he. turns me around, he's crying, he looks me in my eyes, he says, you,'re my hero. You're my hero, I will follow you anywhere. I vividly remember this. He goes, I have three kids, I've been married for 20 something years. My wife doesn't know, my kids don't know. This happened to me when I was 11. This happened to me multiple times. And I've lived with shame and doubt and insecurities my whole life. Thank you for being the first person to open up in front of me. You're gonna give me the courage now to go and tell my wife.

Wow.

All these men from the room started coming out. There was only two or three guys who had been sexually abused that told me that for the first time, by the way, they hadn't opened up either to anyone in their lives. And then other guys were just like, I've never heard anything like this. this happened to me, I feel really insecure about this in my life or this thing I'm ashamed of, right?

Right.

And it was so powerful because I was thinking, everyone's gonna make fun of me, but in fact it made them trust me and respect me more and love me more. The thing that was the scariest thing for me was actually the thing that brought me closer to people. And people could actually see me for the first time fully, at least in that regard. and it was, that was the start of 10 years of lots of different healing modalities, which I'm happy to talk about some of them, but it was, that was the start of processing the healing. The next step is integrating the healing, which is where all the work is.

Yeah, that's true. Well, we will get you back to go in and talk about all the modalities, but I want to just say that this is yet another one of those areas where you and I have a parallel path. Because I had a very similar thing happen to me when I was in the fourth grade and I buried it. And I knew in the back of my mind, somewhere in the back of my mind, that something had happened. And it wasn't until I was at a leadership seminar.

Really?

That was in the personal. No, well, what happened is somebody else shared. And they shared about how they had been molested and they had forgiven their parents and forgiven the babysitter, but they couldn't forgive their sister because while this was happening to them in the bathroom, similar to their story, their sister was watching TV.

Oh.

And as she said that, I had a very vivid memory of the moment that had happened to me in the middle of the night, and when I kind of rolled over, because I I was scared that this person was on top of me. The first person I saw was my brother, because he was sleeping on the bunk bed, like right across. And I thought, I don't want this person to hurt him. So I was just like quiet like a mouse. But it was the sibling connection. And it, like you, just flooded in. And I was like, I gotta share this. And for a minute, I questioned whether or not it had happened.

And it was a bad dream or was it a reality? Did I block it? Was it real?

Yes, but that voice, that knowing, that flood of emotion made me, like you, say, I just have to say it out loud.

And what happened when you said it out loud?

Oh, I just collapsed. Sobbing, same thing as you. So many people come up. I mean, it is such, unfortunately, a very common story, one in four women, one in six. Men have experienced something like that, but it's in the either the denying that it's real and questioning it, or the shame that you feel around it as if somehow it's your fault, or it somehow is damaging to you, and carrying that inside, which really is damaging. And so I think that it's an important, thank you first of all for sharing that story. and I think speaking the things that you hate or are ashamed of is a form of acceptance. Because if you keep this stuff silent, if you're unwilling to talk about it, it's going to continue to haunt you. And so, you know, you've been on this incredible journey of healing. What has it taught you about greatness?

You can't be great without having peace and without going on a healing journey in my mind. You can accomplish a lot, you can achieve a lot, you can get a lot of awards and make a lot of money. But I feel like if you feel like you don't still aren't enough, then you're not great. I don't think.

Because it's the enough, the thing that you're chasing is outside of you.

It is outside of you. And again, I was chasing them to feel better about myself, to feel like, okay, I matter and I have value. because I didn't believe I had value. And I think once you believe you have value, then you're creating from a space of love and win-win and service as opposed to I need to do this for me and look good and fill something up inside of me. You're doing it from a more healing journey place, and then you're able to give more. You're able to create in a better place. So a lot of my life was doing things to prove people wrong that I felt abused, abandoned, made fun of by. It's like, well, let me go make, create, succeed to prove people wrong. So when I would lose, I was a bad loser. Cause it was like, oh, I didn't prove them wrong. I lost. They were right. And so it was just a different energy of creation. It's the second most powerful fuel is the fuel of anger and not enoughness. you can go non-stop for years trying to prove your enoughness from that state. But it is exhausting energy. It's draining. It's like you feel like, oh, what was the point of this? So many times I accomplished things in sports, biggest dreams after 10 and 15 years of thinking about them, working hard and accomplishing it and feeling, like, so angry after I accomplished it, because I thought I would feel something different, and I still didn't feel good enough. So I was like, I need to go create more and accomplish more. And then I would do it and I was like, why am I still feeling alone inside? It's because I didn't have a good relationship with me internally. And once I started to shift that, I just feel such a good sense of peace. And because I have a meaningful mission that is not about me, it's about others as well.

And so... You talk about mission in this book.

And I think that's the foundation. It's like getting clear on a meaningful mission that is... How do you do that? I mean, I mean, you've got, you've.

Got the framework in here, but I'm thinking, Louis, about the person.

It depends on the season of your life. And again, if you were trying to pay your bills, you can't think about a meaningful mission. You got to think about protecting yourself, safety, and getting to a place of financial stability. Well, that's a meaningful mission, right? And that is a meaningful mission for this season, right? Okay. So when I was on my sister's couch, that's all I could think about was like, how can I make enough money to get off the couch? Great. and so that was the mission for that season. But once you complete that, you got to think about something bigger that includes others.

Right?

And so I was still including others in that by adding value to people in order to get money from them.

Right.

Essentially, I'm going to give you a service, I'm going to help you, and you're going to pay me.

Right.

So I'm helping them overcome a problem. And I was using my, my passion and my power to solve a problem. And that's what I started to do. And then I started to, once I once I overcame that mission or accomplished it, I was like, okay, now I can see a little bit further. Now what do I want to create?

And same thing happened with the School of Greatness. Yeah, so hold on, I just wanted to tell everybody. So Lewis basically, in looking for a job, figured out how LinkedIn worked. Exactly. And then realized, oh, whoa, I can teach other people how to use LinkedIn like a pro. And so he literally became wildly successful being an expert on monetizing and utilizing LinkedIn and one platform and tell everybody how you came up with the school for greatness idea.

So after, I don't know, four or five years of, of kind of teaching LinkedIn and then expanding it into just social media and marketing in general and courses and stuff like that, I realized, okay, I had enough money for maybe two years to live.

Oh, that's pretty Good, Louis.

When you're broke and poor, at least from my point of view.

The Holy Grail.

When you're broke and poor, from my point of view, I didn't spend anything. I was like, I just need to stack everything because I was in scarcity mode.

Yep.

So I wasn't like spending anything. So I had enough and I also didn't have a car. You know, I was living in like apartment that was only $495 a month. I was like living in the lowest amount I could. I was like taking trains places, not like lying anywhere.

I was like, how can I say this is Lewis the squirrel? Yes. Ordin his nuts, man.

Here we go.

That's right.

Put him in my back pocket. And. And once I realized, oh, I can actually, like, I'm surviving now, right? I'm thriving. I'm surviving. I got out of this kind of, like, scarcity mentality.

Yeah.

I was able to think beyond that. I was able to think beyond this, like, need to, like, just make money really quickly and. I realized I didn't want this anymore. This season of life, I was like, I don't want to do what I was doing in this business anymore. So I sold it to a business partner that I had, and I was like, okay, I've got about two years of cash if I don't make any money to survive.

Yep.

This is the exact moment when I got into the fight in the basketball court. I was going through a breakup in a relationship that I moved to LA for, and I was just having breakdowns in life. And so I was literally stuck in traffic in LA. a little over 10 years ago. Tuesday next week is my 10 year anniversary for my podcast.

No way.

Tuesday next week. So a little over 10 years ago, maybe 10 years and three months ago, I'm stuck in LA traffic. All this stuff had just happened. And I'm just thinking to myself, man, I don't have it all figured out. I thought I did. I thought my ego knew it was right. I thought I accomplished stuff and this and that. I was featured in the White House and all these other things. I was like, man, I should be the man, but I feel like a loser. And I was stuck in LA traffic. We were literally on the 405 and we were not moving. And all these people around me in cars stopped, were screaming and honking and flipping each other off. And I'm honking and I'm like, man, I'm stuck. We're stuck. Everyone's stuck. And I was just like, okay, huh. if people are stuck in traffic and they're taking them so long to get places, what if I could offer value and solve a problem for them to get unstuck? This was literally what I was going through. And I was like, I need the solution myself. And I just started hurting about. Hurting about podcasting. This was 20, like, 12. I just started to hear, like, just Whispers, you know, Whisper podcasting. What is this thing?

Right?

And I was like, I literally called two friends in the car. It was a long drive, things stuck. I called two friends. I go, I know you have a podcast. I just saw you launch. Who were they? Pat Flynn and my friend Derek Halpern. Okay. Called them both. And I go, tell me about the podcasting thing. And they were like, I love it. It's the coolest thing ever. The audience I'm connecting, the building, the relationship, it's the best thing ever. I don't make any money, but it's the best thing ever. And I was like, okay, cool. And I was like, man, I think I could do this because I had started to just interview people for myself, recording it for me, like business leaders and sports athletes and all these people for years leading up to that. That's how I got in kind of the LinkedIn space. I would network with people, I'd interview them, and I just was like, man, I've learned so much from these people which got me here in my business results. So let me take it a step farther. And they were both telling me like, well, you should just make it about like marketing and entrepreneurship because that's what you're doing.

Right.

I was like, ah, it just doesn't resonate with me. I feel like I'm supposed to do something more. They're like, well, don't go too broad because it probably won't work. Oh, you mean like greatness? Yeah. And I was like, and who are you? You're still just like getting started. You're like an internet marketer.

You don't have a big audience.

Like, you can't go too broad. You just beat somebody up on a basketball court. I know, right? Like, you're breaking down everywhere in your life. And I was just like, again, that voice kept saying, like, I just feel like this is what I want to step into, though. And even if it fails, I'm going to make it an experiment. I'm going to do it for one year, one episode a week for a year, and just see if I like it. So I discovered the mission by exploring something, by being curious and trying it. And I gave myself some parameters. I'm not going to try to make money again. At that time, I had money for two years. Some people may not have that luxury when they're figuring this out in terms of making money. You might have to make money really quickly. If I Needed to make money, I could have.

Well, you also don't have to go all in.

Exactly.

What I loved about what you said, did you hear what Louis said? Experiment. He gave himself permission to experiment with something for a year. Number two, he took the pressure off and said, I'm not going to make this experiment generate money. And so if you can, whether you're on the couch or you're working a job, if you can give yourself the grace of an experiment and take the pressure off of money, You now are walking in the footsteps of greatness here. And so you set out on this experiment. And you didn't know about how to do it. You have two friends that-- I had an iPhone that I used to record in the beginning.

I had no clue what I was doing. I was, you know, I was trying to do what I thought I was supposed to do. I was just, like, trying stuff. And it's funny, 'cause my assistant listened to the first episode, like, last week. She goes, I went back and listened to the first episode. She goes, you're a completely different person. And I'm like, because it was more about success, right? It was more about, like, achievement and winning and, like, results.

Oh, I have to go back and listen. I was like, you, Louis. We're gonna have to pop in a.

Little audio of Louis introducing. Exactly. Then after. Then I went to this Workshop a few months later.

Oh, one where you spoke for the.

First time about sexual abuse and all these things. And I actually. This is so funny. I actually learned the concept about. No one wins, you don't win unless everyone wins around you. You know, that was like, what? That concept didn't make sense to me as an athlete. I was like, no, there was one winner. Everyone else must lose, otherwise you're the loser, right? That was kind of like the mentality that I was trained with. It was the programming that I was conditioned to have. And this workshop taught me that you don't win unless everyone wins.

You embody that, dude.

And it is about, thank you. And it's about, it doesn't mean, you know, winning could look differently for everyone around you, but there must be like a win-win experience. Otherwise, your win doesn't mean as much if others aren't improving and growing and succeeding in whatever it is they're doing as well, right? It doesn't mean it has to be equal winning or something like that. And that's why I was like, yeah, that's right. This podcast can't be about like, results, it should be about elevating others and about improvement and how we can all win together. And that's when it started to shift. And I started to like, be a little softer and be like, let's just get results, you know? And, and it was beautiful. So there's so much that happened in that first year of the experiment where I started to like, try something and it wasn't perfect the first hundred times. I just said, how can I make it better every time? How can I listen to the feedback and make it better every time? and how can I find my voice in this process? Even if I'm not comfortable sharing my voice, how do I find it by practicing it? And after the first year, I remember being like, man, I just really loved this and enjoyed it. And so 10 years later, here we are. I still love it, still enjoy it.

When you think back on literally probably thousands of people that you've interviewed, what's one interview that you reflect on the most?

I was gonna say Kobe because he was my favorite interview. But when you said this, there was an interview the first year that I had with a guy named Chris Lee, who is the actual coach and trainer of the workshop I went to when I opened up for the first time.

Really?

He had such a massive impact on me from that experience that I ended up hiring him as a coach for a couple of years just to like coach me personally. and I had him come on the show, and I had him put me through. Well, I guess he put me through it, but I asked him about, like, I was single at the time. I go, how do you find the dream, like, partner? And he put me through a guided meditation where he had me close my eyes, and he, like, walked me through a scenario and a scene of my future self. He said, I want you to imagine waking up. next to this person. I want you to imagine what they look like, what they sound like. I want you to imagine what you, when you open the windows, where you are in the world, what your view is. I want you to imagine the feeling, the experience you're having with this person. And the reason I'm talking about that is because I said to myself during that, my eyes were closed. I was like, I don't know if this was weird or not, but I was like, I wake up next to the woman of my dreams. And when I open my eyes, she looks at me and she's smiling at me every morning. And I remember saying that, I don't know why that came to me, but I was like, she looks at me, she's smiling at me because she's so grateful and happy that we're in this relationship together. And essentially eight years later, I'm in a relationship with a person that wakes up, that literally opens her eyes and looks at me and smiles. And this is no joke. It happens every day. She looks at me, she hugs me. Some days she wakes up crying. I'm not kidding because she's just a grateful human being, not just because of like, I'm in her life, but she's just a happy person. And I dreamt of this. And so for me, that was a powerful, powerful episode because I had two other relationships before her and after this conversation. those things didn't happen. And I realized that it only happened the moment I started to fully heal a lot of the emotional things that I still wasn't ready to face in intimacy. So I healed one element, but not all the other elements. And it wasn't until I literally there was a pain in my chest for still for years from other things, not the sexual abuse pain, because I could talk about that freely and be at peace. But in other things that I still wasn't willing to face, and it wasn't until I faced those things two years ago, there was a pain in my chest for many years that would come and go. It disintegrated after about five months of intensive therapy integration healing. It finally disintegrated in my chest, and I felt this ball of pain go throughout my body into, like, complete freedom. And it hasn't come back since.

Wow.

It took Five months of intense reflection, exercises, practicing of healing the nervous system to where that went away. That is literally a month or two later, I met her.

Wow.

And it's been a game changer ever since.

Have you talked publicly about what that thing was that you faced?

I just started, I haven't really talked about it publicly. I just started kind of telling people that, because I don't know if other people feel a pain in their chest. I don't know if you've ever felt like a ball that's kind of like this, not palpitations, but just kind of a nagging pain.

I think people feel that, I feel it more kind of like right above the stomach.

Yeah.

That's sort of where my, and I know when it's coming because it hits the ankles first and then this clenches.

Yep.

Like wobbly legs or something. No, like I feel literally that when I get triggered, I literally feel it start and it comes to your stomach. Yeah, but I think you want to know why. It's because that's how the person approached me.

Oh, wow. Yes. Yeah, I, because it was used to be the throat and the chest for me. I just feel like I couldn't speak.

Yeah.

And there was like a pain here and I was like, it wasn't like I felt like I was have a heart attack or anything like that, but it's just like a nagging pain.

Yeah.

And it would come and go and I couldn't figure out how to get rid of it or how to like eliminate it. And it just, I went to five months of intensive every week therapy, sometimes five, six hours on Saturdays. where I was just like, I'm a maniac on a mission to create peace, clarity and freedom. The first day I stepped into therapy with my coach, I call her an emotional coach, 'cause I think we should all have one. She said, what's your intention for starting this process? I said, I want peace, clarity and freedom. 'Cause I didn't feel like I had any of those.

Can I take a guess at what your biggest block was?

Sure.

It was an inability to even allow love in. Is that what it was?

I don't know if that's what it was. Maybe, but it was my inability to not abandon myself.

What does that mean for somebody who's never heard that term?

So it was my inability to not abandon myself in intimacy with one person, the person that I was choosing to be in a committed relationship with. 'Cause I wanted to abandon myself in other areas. I would stand up for those like.

No, I'm not gonna do that. Oh, for you like a nice guy.

Doormat type in relationships? I was more trying to buy peace. So whenever my relationship, the relationships in the past would try to, it would be upset at me. Yeah. You didn't do this. I'm sorry, okay, I'll go do it now. Yeah. Whenever there was disturbance emotionally, you were the environment, or they were screaming at me, or they were, cold shoulder or they want to speak to me. I was like, I don't like this feeling. And so I didn't know how to navigate my inner world when that would happen. I didn't know how to be peaceful under chaos emotionally. So I would do things to buy peace. I would say, okay, I'll stop doing this. Even though I don't want to stop doing something, I'll stop doing it to make you feel comfortable.

Yeah.

Okay, I'll give in here. Okay, I'll come home five hours early. Okay, I won't go on that trip because you don't feel comfortable with me going alone.

See, I don't think people understand how much men struggle with this. No, I mean it. This is why I said you remind me a tremendous amount in ways of Chris. Same thing. Like Jess would shut down and give in. Or give in and not capable of expressing what he needed because his experience as a kid was it didn't matter anyway.

Exactly. And a lot of times, you know, in general, a lot of men were never trained on how to navigate uncomfortable emotions through their highest selves. They would navigate it through their ego self, which is to defend, protect, and show that everything's okay. And that works in some cases, but not in every case. And I think I didn't have the tools, the training, the knowledge, the experience, the wisdom, on how to navigate stressful emotions in love, in an intimate, loving relationship. I could do it in business and sports and all that. It wasn't modeled for you. It wasn't modeled for you when you're little. Yeah, it was constant. It was a constant low level stress and like resentment from my parents of each other, which made me always like, what's going to happen? Right. And they loved me and I knew they loved me, but it was I knew they also didn't love each other.

Yeah.

And so that was stressful. And so I didn't know how to be with a woman who was like, you can't do this, screaming at me, don't do this, I don't like when you do this, this is not okay, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Because what they are saying is you're not enough. And I don't accept you for who you are, Louis. So I didn't accept myself for who I was. I knew I wasn't enough, that's how I thought. So I said, I'm gonna do what's gonna make her feel like I'm enough for her.

Right.

And after a year, two years, three years of doing that and just giving in and giving in and giving in, you fully lose yourself.

Yes.

You lose all your you lose who you are. Then you get resentful, you get frustrated, you get angry. So I lack the emotional ability to say no. And if you don't love me and accept me and you want to walk away, that's okay. And I lack the emotional ability to just be okay with me walking away from something as well. And that's why when I met Martha, which you've met her a couple of.

Times now, she smiles at you all the time.

I had a fully different experience.

Because you were different.

Because I was completely different. And I just told her straight up, this is my values, this is who I am, and I'm never gonna abandon myself for anyone. You, this, that, it doesn't matter. I'm just never gonna abandon myself. That doesn't mean I'm not gonna be a flexible human being and supportive in all these other ways, but I'm not gonna give up who I am to please one human being because they're not happy with me.

Dude, if you could sum up the greatness mindset, I think you just did. There is this quote that goes viral all the time. I have no idea who said it first, but it's that thing that when you put all your energy into trying to keep the peace with others, you create a war inside yourself.

That's good.

That is just what you described, that tension in your chest, and so many of you listening, listen with it, or that pit in your stomach is the war that Lewis just described with yourself, because you're so much more focused and concerned with keeping the peace, making sure everybody else is okay. And until you invert that, and you focus on creating peace within yourself, that's it right there.

And this is the moment when it unlocks. I remember now exactly what happens when this, the pain went away because I was working on because I didn't feel free, right? And so for five months of therapy going in every week, I was committed. I was like, I'm gonna figure this out and I'll go as long as it takes.

You're like a truffle pig for healing. He's gonna root that thing out right there. I'm doing it, man. I'm not gonna stop until I healed. I love that about you.

And healing's a journey. not an event that happens overnight. There's an unlocking, there's an awareness moments, but then you've got a then PTSD occurs if you don't keep integrating it. So it's a constant. So what was that moment? So the moment was many, because every time I would meet my coach, she'd say, what's your intention? Peace, clarity, freedom. I didn't feel them. And so we were talking about what each one is. When do you do not feel peace? When do you not feel clear freedom? I was like, I've never felt free in my life. and a lot of it came down to modeling parents. They weren't free in their relationship. They both were resentful of being in the relationship. They both got married when they're 19. They didn't know any better. They had four kids. They were working their butts off just staying together. So I don't blame them, but they stayed together, not because they wanted to, because they didn't know how to navigate it as well. And so I saw them trapped. that was what it was for me. I saw them trapped, and I was afraid to be trapped because I didn't want to repeat the feeling of them being trapped and feeling miserable a lot of the time. And I was like, I don't want to create that in my life, but I didn't know how to stand up for myself. So that was the thing. And she just kept looking at me. It was kind of like a Goodwill hunting moment. She was like, you're not trapped. You're not trapped. You're not trapped. you're a free man. You're a free man. You're a free man. And I don't know what it was just like all the months of like the practicing, the integrating, the opening it back up where it just kind of like this like rush is like finally connected to me that I am a free man, that I am not trapped. She was like, you can walk away at any moment. You can walk away at any moment. You don't have to keep working in this relationship. Like, especially since you're not married, you don't have to walk. You can walk away at any moment.

But even if you are married, you can walk away.

And that was the thing. I was like, I'm so afraid to get married because I don't want to have the shame of getting divorced or the pain that happens after divorce that so many people go through.

Well, it's so interesting you were so focused on not feeling trapped that you actually trapped yourself.

100%. And it's so funny because I went to a prison almost every week for four and a half years and I watched men who were trapped behind bars. Some of them were emotionally free. Some of them were there, but I saw them free men. Like they were in a state of complete peace. Not all of them, but some of them had so much love in their hearts, were very kind and generous. They had their families around and they were free emotionally, but they just did something that put them in there. physically. And I realized for so long that I was trapped emotionally, but free physically, and I didn't know how to break free. And that was the thing where I was like, I'm just sick and tired of feeling this pain. I'm sick and tired of repeating the pattern where I'm the common denominator in all these relationships, choosing them, staying in them and not standing up for myself. So that was a massive game changer for me was investing in in emotional coaching, showing up consistently when I didn't want to, and doing the work. And I think a lot of us will get business coaches, career coaches, health coaches, but the emotional game is the game that most of us don't know how to master, and yet we won't invest in coaching or find support, and I just think it's so crucial.

Well, you write at the very end of your fantastic book, the Greatness mindset. You're talking about unlock the power of your mind and live your best life today. You have a huge section in this on healing.

A whole section is healing. I feel like you cannot be great.

I feel like the book is healing. I feel like it's not even unlock the power of your mind. It's literally unlock the power of your mind, body and spirit. Integrate at all.

Well, you know, everything's a Trojan horse.

Nobody's gonna pick up the healing book. So they're like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna buy the mindset book. But guys, Guys, if people understood the art of falling in love with yourself, the world would be a much better place. Louis, the world is a much better place because you're in it.

Thank you, Mel.

And I wanted to ask you, see.

If I can get you to make me read one more thing.

I am not going to make you read one more thing, especially now that I know that was a trigger for you.

No, I'm happy to give it to me. I get the practice.

That's fantastic. So, first of all, everybody, please go get the book. I'm not done asking Louis questions, but please, please, please support the man that has supported all of our greatness for the last 10 years. You will love this and it's the greatness mindset. And so I wanted to close by just saying, I want you to imagine that it's your last day on Earth. And you can only leave the world with three truths, three lessons that you want to impart on the world. What are they, Louis?

You are loved, you are worthy, and you matter. Again, if we understood that and embodied it and truly believed it, then life is just a much better place.

And what is your definition of greatness?

For me, it's going on a journey to discover your unique gifts and talents. And in that discovery, figuring out what your dreams are. And on the path of going after your dreams, making the maximum impact on the people around you. For me, that's greatness.

Wow. And you embody it, that's for sure.

Thank you.

You're welcome. Thank you for being a part of my life.

Thank you. Appreciate you.

Oh, man. Well, and you know, before I go, I just wanna make sure that you hear Lewis and I tell you something, which is, in case nobody else in your life tells you this today, I wanna tell you that I love you. And I know Lewis, you probably wanna say the same thing.

100%, yeah. I love you.

And I believe in you and your ability to take absolutely everything you heard today from Lewis and put it into practice in your own life. And not only develop the greatness mindset, but to go heal and to learn how to fall in love with yourself and use that transformation to change the world around you.

I love you, Louis. Love you too. Appreciate it, man. Thanks.

There's a lot of people that think it's selfish to put yourself first. or that you're arrogant if you're due. I'm here to tell you it is essential to your well-being, to your fulfillment, to your happiness, all of it. So if you're feeling resistance, you're either going to feel it because you already have a.