Dr Joe Dispenza’s NEW Research: You Can Heal Your Body With Your Thoughts

Research says your nervous system can manufacture a pharmacy of chemicals that works 3 times better than any drug. You can do it so well that you can do it with your eyes open.

How? Dr. Joe Dispenza. He is a New York Times bestselling author, a researcher, and one of the most pioneering minds in the science of manifestation and human transformation.

I am in the business of studying how people change. About 5% of who we are is our conscious mind, and then the 95% that's been programmed because of certain habits and behaviors has been programmed subconsciously. So we use meditation as a tool to I teach people how to slow their brainwaves down so you can enter the operating system and rewrite the program.

Oh my goodness. Today he's here to break down the science behind how your mind can influence your ability to heal the body and so much more.

This is where it gets exciting. When we show our data to scientists, I love looking at their faces. I mean, we just had two great stories. Pancreatic cancer, complete remission. Gone. 9 out of 10 people that had PTSD no longer had it. We had 5 people step out of a wheelchair. Now here's the crazy part.

Oh my God.

We saw areas of the brain actually grow in real estate.

What does Simon mean need to do to activate their internal pharmacy to create pain relief right now.

We finally figured out a formula, and if you could follow that formula, you'll notice that you'll start changing.

So you can actually change your DNA?

The answer is absolutely yes.

Now, for all the skeptics that have a stressful life, that feel overwhelmed, overworked, but feel like meditation is not for them, Does meditation actually work? And if so, why?

Well, we use meditation for 3 things in the work that we do, because I am in the business of studying how people change, why we change, how we change, and why is it so difficult to change. And if I do change, will my life change? That's, that's kind of the experiment, right? So the first reason we use meditation is to become familiar with a personality that's hardwired, conditioned, habituated, uh, to break down that personality. So you have to become familiar with your thoughts and your beliefs, your behaviors and attitudes, and your emotional responses. That's become so familiar, so conscious, that you don't go unconscious and default back to the old personality, because then your life will stay the same. So then how do we begin to program new thoughts, right? How do I begin to think a thought with intention and attention, begin to install circuitry in the brain so it becomes the new voice in my head, right? And that's a belief. A belief is just the thought you keep thinking over and over again. What behaviors do I want to demonstrate that are healthier for me emotionally, physically, chemically, whatever? Could I rehearse how I'm going to behave with my co-workers, with my partner, with my ex, with my, you know, with my children? And could I begin to change my behaviors? And if I rehearse them in my mind, could I install circuitry to jump into, you know, prime the brain and use those circuits to behave in a different way and become familiar with those thoughts and behaviors? And then could I condition my body emotionally to a different emotion like love or gratitude and freedom or inspiration? Can I do it enough times that it becomes familiar to me? So we use meditations as a tool to go from the old self to the new self, to become so conscious of your unconscious programs that you don't go unconscious of them again, and then practice thinking, acting, and feeling over and over again until you become that new personality and begin to see that your life begins to change, right? So we use it for that reason. The second reason we use meditation, it really is around the idea of change. Like, what does it mean to truly change? You know, people know what they want to change. They know why they want to change, but they just don't know how to change, right? So, so to change is to be greater than your environment, you know, because every person, everything, every circumstance, every condition in your life, you have a neurological network for because you've experienced it, right? So we tend to see reality based on a memory. We tend to see reality based on past, right? And since every one of those people or things or experiences in your life has an emotion associated with it. The moment you see your coworker and feel judgmental, mm, makes sense then your environment then is controlling how you're feeling and how you're thinking. And if your environment is controlling your thoughts and emotions and ultimately your behaviors, then you're a victim to your environment. And now your personal reality is creating your personality instead of your personality creating your personal reality. So yet to truly change then, You got to think, act, and feel differently in the same life that you're living in order for your life to change. Right.

Well, you know, for someone watching or listening right now, I could, I could see them saying, well, actually, I don't want to change. I want everyone else to change around me. Like, why should I have to change? They're the one who's triggering me. They're the one who's abusing me. They're the one who's saying mean things. They're the one that cut me off. Like, everyone else should change around me. I'm fine. This is what I used to think. I was like, I don't like how everyone else is acting. 'You know, they should adapt to me. Why should I have to change?' Yeah. What would you say to that?

I would say that when the pain of your discomfort outweighs your fear of making a different choice and stepping into the unknown, you'll actually decide to change because you'll sooner or later realize that the person who's betrayed you 5 years ago has gone on and lived their life. And the only person that's being affected by your thought or your emotional response to that person is you. It's like, drinking poison, expecting the, the, the person to die. You know, we were sooner or later, we come to that point where no drug, no shopping spree, no sports car is gonna make that feeling go away. And this is really kind of the moment of truth, right? So, and there's nothing wrong with it. I, I just think that there comes a point in our life where we have to really decide, okay, maybe if I change, my life can change as a consequence of it.

But why do people have so much resistance to themselves changing? When they're always trying to make others change?

Because change is completely uncomfortable and it's so inconvenient. It's really inconvenient. It's never the right time. It's just never the right— there's always a lot of excuses. It's always someone else's fault. And I think that's the default, to live your life as a victim of your life instead of the creator of your life. And I think there's a big distinction between that, because if the environment is, you know, your response to your enemy, the only reason you see your enemy the way you see them is because of the experience you had with them. Or the experiences you had with them. Another person can interact with your enemy and have a completely different experience of them and see them through the lens of that experience, right?

Yeah, they could be the greatest person in the world to someone else.

Exactly. So our thoughts about our enemy and our emotional responses to our enemy, justified, valid or not, the only person it's affecting is me, right? And the stronger the emotion that I have to some person or some problem in my life, the more I pay attention to them. And where I place my attention is where I place my energy. So I'm giving my power away to change because of that person or that circumstance. And even if you said, "Lewis, why are you so upset? You say it's that person, that person in that circumstance is causing me to feel this way and think this way." Well, what you're really saying is my environment is controlling my thoughts and emotions and behaviors and I'm victim to it. And so usually it takes crisis when the pain of your discomfort outweighs your fear of the unknown or your fear of change. That's the moment people finally go, I got, I got to change, right? When no drug, nothing else is working, you're left with you, right? So we teach that to change is to think, act, and feel differently in the same environment. And if your body has been emotionally conditioned because you keep remembering the problems in your life and feeling the emotions associated with them, your body's being conditioned into the past and the body is being literally believing it's living in the past. If I run through the same habit every single day, thinking the same way, making the same choice, doing the same thing, creating the same experience and feel the same emotion over and over again, if I do that enough times, it becomes habituated, becomes more automatic. And that's when we lose our free will to change to a set of programs, right? So to change then is to be greater than the body as the mind, be greater than the habituations it's created, because a habit is when the body is the mind, and to be greater than those emotions that keep us responding and reacting. As if we're in the past, right?

What do you mean by that, when the body is the mind?

If you think about a problem in your life, the problem in your life is connected to certain people with certain conditions at certain times in certain places. The moment you remember the problem, you're thinking in the past, yes? But the thought, the memory is producing the emotion, and the emotion that you're feeling seems very real in the moment. Yes. But the body's so objective. It doesn't— it can't distinguish between the experience that's creating the emotion and the emotion that you're fabricating by thought alone. So the body, it's reliving the past, right? So you take that thought and the feeling, the image and the emotion, the stimulus and response, and you're going to condition the body into becoming the mind of that emotion. Now the body's believing it's living in the past 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, right? And many people wake up and start their day with their entire state of being in the past. They think about their problems, they feel the emotions, they get back into the familiar known self, right? So this is where it gets really interesting because the 5% of our conscious mind is working against 95% of what we've programmed subconsciously. So you could say, I'm happy, I'm happy, I'm healthy, I'm healthy, I'm free, I'm free, I'm abundant, I'm abundant. And your body's saying, no, you're not. You're miserable. You're in trouble. You're unhappy. And the thought never makes it to the body, right?

Why does it never make it to the body?

Because it's the mind and body are in opposition, right? The body can't accept the information of that thought. Because it's not feeling the feeling of that thought. It's feeling a different feeling. And the body is the mind of the past. Now, the person may forget about the problem or the past event in their conscious mind, but the body never forgets. Really? The information, the trauma is in the body now because the emotion is the signature chemically that's stored in the body. When you decide to change and you say, I want to get healthy, I want to get wealthy, I want to get free, the body says, you Listen, man, it means we got to get out of this misery. Interesting. Yeah, I'd rather stay in my suffering and my pain than take a chance on possibility because it's been trained. It's all it knows. That's all it knows is that safety to be there. The unknown is too dangerous. It would rather cling to their unhappiness than take a chance on possibility. And if you've done something so many times, complain, complain, complain, complain, complain, those neural pathways are going to forge really big trunks and it's going to be automatic. You could complain and you're going to make it look easy, you know, and it's not going to be hard for you to complain. And that's because your body has done it enough times that it knows how to do it better than your conscious mind. So it's automatic, right? So this is all really great when you're in the comfort zone, living the life that's, you know, familiar to you. But the moment you say, I want to change, right? The body, which has been conditioned by the mind, does not want to go to a new future because it can't feel the feelings of it. So The struggle in change is to be greater than the emotions that have been conditioned to the body and to be greater than the habituation to get up and check your cell phone or check your email, like, you know, all the stuff that we do. You can't be in the present moment when you're doing that. So it takes an enormous amount of energy, an enormous amount of awareness to be able to settle the body down because it'll do anything it can to unseat us. You're dying. You're going to have a heart attack. You know, I'm in pain. All the body's resisting. This movement. But what we discovered in the research that we do is that if you go past that point where you think you're done, and then you go past that point where you're sure you're done, and you go a little further than that, that's the moment the brain changes the most. And that's the moment the body changes the most because you're stretching it out of the known. You're stretching it into the unknown. Nothing dangerous happened and it starts to relax more into the unknown.

So what I'm hearing you say, correct me if I'm wrong, You can't just think alone to change the body.

You need to go to also change the body and relax the body and the emotional state.

Yeah, emotional state.

And we can get to that in a second.

Yeah.

Well, think about it. The unknown is a dangerous place in survival, even if it's a healthy place. Yeah, but if it's unknown, the— the— we're, you know, we come pre-programmed with these— all this biology for survival, and you get a better chance of surviving if you run from the unknown, right? So it goes against the survival systems in the brain and body and the protective systems as well. So then if a person is sitting in meditation and start— they start thinking about their enemy, or they start thinking about their co-workers, or thinking about their cell phone, they're not in the present moment, right? Or what happened yesterday, or what's going to happen in the next 15 minutes. And this is the disentangling from the program. So If a person can catch themselves going unconscious, we discovered that the only way you actually become conscious, you know, conscious, is to catch yourself enough times going unconscious that you no longer go unconscious to, "I can't, it's too hard, I'll never change." You've confronted it enough times, you're aware of it enough times that that voice or that thought has no power over you any longer. And this is where people usually rather get up and turn the TV on, right, than sit in that discomfort. So when the body gets agitated, when the body gets impatient, when the body gets frustrated, when the body wants to get up and do something, it's programmed to do that, and you're sitting in a meditation and you notice you're getting agitated, instead of saying, I can't meditate, you bring that body right back into the present moment and you lower the volume to that emotion, you take your attention off that problem. That's the victory. That's the That's change right there. That's worth more than all the gold in the world.

That one moment.

That one moment. You're telling the body it's no longer the mind. And you're saying, I'm the mind now. And the body bucks and kicks like an unbridled stallion. It just doesn't want to do that. And all of a sudden it starts conjuring up thoughts, why you should leave and does all that stuff. And you catch yourself doing that. You bring your body back down into the present moment. Now you're executing a will that's greater than the program to do what we do that's familiar.

Because your thought or your mind is saying, think about this or something, get up, this is painful, this is annoying. When you're just thinking about something else to give you relief.

Right. And that's the relief from that, the unknown, right? And it's kind of interesting because this is the last point about why we use meditation around the idea of change, to be greater than the environment, to be greater than the body, and now to be greater than time. Because if you're feeling the same feelings and you're thinking thoughts that are memories from the past, that's familiar. That's the familiar past. If you're trying to anticipate what's going to happen and you can predict what a person's going to do, if it's predictable because because they're habituated, that's the known too. That's the predictable future. So the familiar past is the known and the predictable future is the known. There's only one place left where the unknown exists, and that's the present moment, right? And we got to labor for that present moment. And it takes a day or two to get beyond yourself. But the moment the person can finally relax into the unknown and they can relax into the present moment, there's a dramatic physiological shift that goes on. The field around the body starts to build. Why? Because if you're no longer putting your attention on your enemy and you're lowering the volume of that emotion over and over again, you're going to forget about them and you're going to call energy back to you. And now there's energy to heal. Now there's energy to create, right? And energy naturally moves out of these lower hormonal centers and naturally moves right into the heart. And a person can actually relax into the present moment by relaxing into their heart. If you can do that enough times, the heart all of a sudden tells the brain, hey, the past is over, the trauma is over, the betrayal is over, and it resets the baseline in the brain. So now the person is no longer interested in the past. The heart has actually taken the body out of the past into the present moment. Now the heart is the creative center. And what does it say? Lewis, dream. Dream of a new possibility. This is their imaginary state is where the brainwaves change. And all of a sudden you start thinking about possibilities you'll never have ever thought about before because you're feeling the emotion of that future. And because you can feel the emotion of that future, you can put your attention on it, right? And where you place your attention is where you place your energy. Keep making that thought and that feeling, that image and that emotion, that stimulus and response. And now you can condition the brain and body to look like The future has already happened. Now, this is where it gets exciting, because now the experiment continues. That means that if I've truly changed my state of being and I've conditioned my body emotionally into the future, I would no longer be looking for the event any longer. When's it going to happen? Because if I feel the emotion of my future, why would I look for it? This is when the synchronicities, the simultaneities, the synchronicities, the opportunities start to kind of come to you. Like, you're not going anywhere and working hard and doing a lot of things to get it. Somehow they're kind of coming to you in ways that you hadn't thought about or you expected. And that's kind of the wake-up call to say, Lewis, you're the creator of your life, you're not the victim of your life, right? So we use meditation to be greater than our body, to be greater than our environment, to be greater than time. And if you close your eyes and you disconnect from the outer world Play music to fill the space. You can't hear the coffee, you can't hear your kids, you can't hear the lawnmower next door. Your inner world is starting to become more real than your outer world. Yeah, you got to get past yourself in the beginning, but if you do that really well, if the change is to be greater than your environment, to be greater than your body and greater than time, we use meditation to take all of your attention off of your environment, all of your attention off your body, and all of your attention off of time. In the moment a person is no longer aware of their environment and the people and the objects and things and places, They're no longer aware of their body and they're no longer aware of time. They're no longer in the program. That is the moment they're liberated and there's a dramatic change that happens in the brain and body. So we labor for that moment called getting beyond yourself, right? Mm-hmm. Third thing we do meditation for is to get beyond the analytical mind. And what separates the conscious mind from the subconscious mind is the analytical mind. And about 5% of who we are is our conscious mind by the time we're in our late 30s. And then the 95% that's been programmed because of certain habits and behaviors or beliefs and perceptions and attitudes and emotion and reactions and emotional conditioning, that 95% has been programmed subconsciously. So we teach people how to slow their brainwaves down. Well, we figured out a way to teach them how to slow their brainwaves down and get out of the thinking, analytical, critical mind and get beyond it so you can enter the operating system where those programs exist and rewrite the program.

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Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with the analytical mind. I really love my analytical mind. I think you do too, because what the analytical mind is for is to weigh knowns against unknowns.

Strategizing.

Yeah, to kind of just go, okay, I know this, I want this, how am I gonna go from wanting this to having this, right? And the analytical mind tries to—

Possibilities.

Yeah, tries to figure things out. And I think it's good. Helps us to navigate in our world, right?

When does the analytical mind get in our way?

Yeah, that's a great question. So when you get stressed out, when you get anxious, when you get fearful, when you get angry, when you get agitated, when you get frustrated, when you feel pain, suffering, guilt, those kind of limited emotions start to drive the analytical mind to overanalyze and to overthink. And what we've discovered by looking at enough brains in action in real time that when we analyze our life within some disturbing emotion, we make our brains worse. Because the emotion is a record of the past. So you're thinking in the past, you're thinking in the box, there's no solution there. So every time you start thinking and overanalyzing, you're producing the chemistry to arouse your brain and body even more. And now you're in a loop, right? And that's kind of ruminating or whatever you want to call that, obsessing. Overfocusing. We tend to narrow our focus on something. Like when we're under stress, it's really important to put all of your attention on the cause, right? Because you got to be able to deal with it. But a lot of times those causes are fictitious, right? And so now we're overfocusing our attention on something, and the act of overfocusing our attention drives our brain further out of balance, right? We start revving it up into more aroused states. The answer will never be there because that person's They're thinking in the known. They're thinking in the box. If they say, okay, for the next 5 days, I'm just gonna follow the instructions. I'm just gonna change. And they stop. Our data shows that you can shut this thing off. We know how to do it so well. You can do it so well that you can do it with your eyes open. In other words, the critic in your mind that's saying it'll never happen, it's too hard, start tomorrow, all that stuff, that voice, is gone. Not only during the meditation, but when the person opens their eyes after a 7-day event, their brain is still in that present moment state, right? It's not trying to predict anything. It's called the default mode network in the brain. And the paper that you were talking about that we're super excited about, it was published in Nature Journal, it was Communications Biology. It's been super, super popular amongst the scientific community. Because we did fMRI studies on advanced meditators and novice meditators.

Is this the UC San Diego study or a different one?

Yeah, the UC San Diego study. So we were doing an event in San Diego and the university is right there. So we were taking participants, bringing them up to the fMRI lab, and we were getting a baseline. We had put them in the fMRI machine and we kind of looked at their brains before they started the event. And then we put them in a 7-day immersive experience. Of change and transformation. And at the end of the 7 days, we wanted to see how much their brains changed. And we had no idea that we would see these kind of dramatic changes in 7 days, which is really insane. But the default mode network in the brain, the brain's predictor, it's always trying to predict the future based on the past. And it's not like, you know, a great example of a predictive model is if I throw a ball, you don't react to it, you just predict where it's gonna go, right? And that's how we live our life. The brain is predicting just like that. It's a prediction machine. It's an anticipation machine. And when it's really busy trying to anticipate the future based on the past, it consumes an enormous amount of brain energy. Like it really consumes almost all the brain's energy, right? Because we have to be able to predict the next moment creates safety, right? And when you feel safe, then right, you can relax. So it turns out that most people's Default modes are on high gear. That's the voice and the chatter in their head that's always trying to get away from, you know, whatever, something important to them. So the default mode network and the salience network, which are two important networks in the brain, by the end of 7 days in both novice and advanced meditators were completely dialed down. And there's now, there's an enormous amount of energy left in the brain, right? Because if it's consuming that amount, it could be used for other things. The degree of change that took place in default mode network looks just like a person who's on psilocybin because psilocybin actually shuts the default mode network off in the brain. But the participants were doing that without taking any exogenous substances. In other words, by wrestling for the present moment and being uncompromising and working with catching themselves thinking certain thoughts, catching themselves feeling aroused and impatient and settling the body down and working like that and catching themselves going to predictable future and bringing themselves back to the present moment. The act of doing that sooner or later dialed that whole system way, way down to such a degree that the person looked like they were taking an exogenous substance.

This is what I love about the work you're doing and the research backing it. Because what I have here in front of me says that these brain scans from your retreats are now showing the same neural activity previously only documented with people taking these types of psychedelics.

Yes.

And so what is meditation actually doing to the brain that we previously didn't know that is making it feel like it's on psychedelics?

Yeah, well, we're super interested in that principle because we're seeing more and more people reach certain brainwave states where they have a transcendental experience. In other words, we're perceiving less than 1% of reality. We're basically looking at the rainbow, red, orange, yellow, blue, green, indigo, violet, the spectrum of light, visible light, and the whole electromagnetic spectrum. That's the only thing that we're perceiving that's bouncing off the most stable form of energy called matter, fooling us into this kind of illusion of this simulation, right?

This 3D world.

Right, this 3D world. So, there's probably more information in the immaterial than there is in the material. And the probability then that we're perceiving the truth of reality is zero. It's zero because our brain is not molded. It's not shaped. It's not, the circuits are not there to perceive anything else but the material world. And if you're living for generations untold in survival, when your hormones of stress and survival are switched on, we become materialists and we now are focused on the cause. So, If you're looking for food or if you're facing off with a predator, you got to run from one point to another point. All of your attention is on matter. So through generations, the brain has kind of edited out energy and frequency other than that frequency band of light. Right? So when people have these transcendental experiences, they're seeing beyond the veil of that very small percentage of reality and seeing more of the reality that exists. That's in the immaterial than in the material beyond our senses, right?

Before you go on there, for someone watching or listening right now who just thinks, "Come on, Dr. Joe, this is all— this is a little too much for me. Like, we live in the material world. I've got to go from point A to point B. It's taken me a decade to get to this stage in my career." You know, breakdowns happen, bad things happen. Like, we're all victims here. We're all victims to life circumstances, to the government, to our boss, to our spouse. We Is there really something else than matter?

Well, I think people who do psychedelics, I mean, I just don't believe you have to do psychedelics to have that experience.

For me, I have felt the healing power of allowing my heart to calm itself down and my mind to be in coherence with my heart the way you teach it in your retreats. And how it allows me to have more creative energy, more energy to be graceful and compassionate towards people than when maybe I used to be resistant and frustrated and angry, more capacity to respond differently. It doesn't mean I'm perfect all the time. I'm still, you know, a driven human being, but it's like it allows me to think a lot better.

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, yeah. I mean, but what happens when the surgery didn't work and the chemo didn't work and the radiation didn't work and the ketogenic diet didn't work and the vegan gluten-free organic diet, raw diet didn't work and all the other things didn't work?

You still have complications.

Yeah, because chronic life, the chronic health conditions require a lifestyle change and nothing changes in our life until we change, right? So the person who's gonna make a different choice and begin to do different things and create different experiences and feel different emotions and change the way they think and believe, those are the ones that are more probable than not basis are going to heal and change. And what our data shows that if you decide to make a change and immerse yourself in it for full on for 7 days, I could say this is what our data says. I'm not saying this.

That's what the research side says.

Research says your nervous system can manufacture a pharmacy of chemicals that works 3 times better than any drug. That's what our data shows. Wow.

3 times.

Yeah. So, so, so a great drug trial, right? A great drug study is about between 18 and 25%. Every now and then you get a drug where it's 30%, but 25% is a good measure. 1 out of 4 people where it works, it's effective, right?

30% of the time.

Yeah. 1 out of 4 people. Just make it simple.

Okay.

So in our, in our 7-day events, at the end of 7 days, just take this as an example. Everybody has their own genotype and genes make proteins. Your genotype's different than mine based on our culture, based on our ancestors, all of that, race, countries. But if genes make proteins and proteins are responsible for the structure and function of your body, at the end of 7 days, when we look at everybody with their own individual genotypes, at the end of 7 days, 80% of the population is expressing the same genes and making the same proteins. What does that mean? 80%. That means the flock, the tribe, the herd. There's an emergent consciousness that's happening when people think differently, when they act differently, and they feel differently. That's literally being reflected in their biology. 80%. If we do a study on advanced meditators and we take their plasma and we put it in the presence of different cancer cells, 84% of the people that are advanced meditators have factors in their blood that stop cancer from multiplying and moving. That's a very high percentage. It takes 70% of the mitochondrial function out of the cell. If we do a study on pain, right? 63 different diseases people come to our workshops for, 63 different chronic health conditions. What we see, It's unanimous across the board. At the end of 7 days, their pain levels are gone or diminished quite a bit independent of their disease. And they have more energy, right? They have less fatigue. So we said, okay, so what does that mean if they're having less pain, whether they have anxiety, depression, PTSD, cancer, MS, lupus, Parkinson's, doesn't matter. One intervention, not like Like, there's no one drug that works for all those, takes pain away for all those different diseases. One intervention is taking away pain in 63 different diseases. So we're sitting around talking with the scientists, and the next question is, is it possible, is it possible, independent of their health condition, that they're manufacturing their own endogenous opioids, their own natural pharmacy of morphines, their own natural pharmacy of pain relievers? Okay, now take a guess of what the percentage was. Remember, drug studies, 25%.

So of how many people coming after 7 days are creating their own endogenous opioids, their own natural, their own, their own pharmacy of anti-pain chemicals? I don't know, 70, 80, 90, 100%.

100% of the people, right?

So 100% of the people coming in after 7 days of meditation, the 100% of the people that we measured Then they all were—

in fact, one particular endogenous opioid called dynorphin was at such high quantities that we had to dilute, we had to dilute the substance to be able to measure it because that's the intelligence of the body. So when I say the nervous system can manufacture a pharmacy of chemicals that works 3 times better than any drug, at our very least, 3 times better would be 75%, right? But when we look at our community, it's when we're measuring different things, different factors, it's 80%, it's 84%, it's 95%, it's 100%. So the probability of that happening to you is very high. And we're not studying people that have been dedicating 40 years of their life to meditation or prayer. These are people that we've finally, through all of our research, figured out a formula. And if you could follow that formula, you'll notice that you'll start changing, right? And that's the important point.

I mean, this whole concept of the internal pharmacy to create pain relief, again, you're talking about the research that's revealed that the body has what you call this internal pharmacy. If someone has been on medication to minimize their pain or just manage their pain that they've had for years, or they have to take medication in order to have a sense of relief of the pain they're feeling in their body. What does someone need to do to activate their internal pharmacy without pain medication, external medication? Like, what does someone need to do at home to activate their internal pharmacy to create pain relief right now?

Yeah, if they don't have 7 days, let me say this, that I would never tell a person to come off their pain medication. What typically happens for most people is they feel so good that they realize they don't need it anymore.

They forget to take it.

Yeah, yeah. They forget to take it or they just outgrow it. They have something like— we hear testimonial after testimonial. A lot of people say just something switched on. Like, I just felt something, like I came back online, like I switched on. So first of all, the first step, of course, is that we've been programmed into something else. We've not been programmed into the understanding that your body has the innate capacity to to produce these, the pharmacology of chemicals that could heal you, right? It's not in our belief system. We've been conditioned into believing if you take some exogenous substance and the moment you take it and it takes away your pain, the moment you notice that that pain goes away, you remember what caused it. So the next time you feel that discomfort, the next time you feel that pain, your brain automatically craves that image to take away the pain. And so we become dependent on certain things.

We've also you know, tons of research of a placebo effect of people taking a sugar pill or some other neutral tablet for pain relief and it giving them that relief at the same time, even though it had none of the chemicals.

Yeah.

That were supposed to give that relief, correct?

No, this is 100% true. In fact, I wrote a book about it.

And you are the placebo, right?

And that— and it's kind of was— I was so mad at myself for so long because if you think about it, how can you give someone a sugar pill a saline injection, or perform some false sham surgery or procedure. And a certain percentage of those people will accept, believe, and surrender to the thought without any analysis that they're actually getting the real substance or treatment. And they begin to program their autonomic nervous system to manufacture a pharmacy of chemicals equal to the, to the, the substance they think they're taking. So Was it the inert substance that was healing them, or were they healing by thought alone? So my thing is, why do you need a placebo? If you understand the mechanisms of how that occurs, can you teach people actually how to do that on command? And the answer is yes. We've done research where we've taken people, they have no idea what the name of the gene, they could barely pronounce it. We show them the picture of these quaternary structures of these proteins that these genes make. Their critical analytical thinking mind has no idea how many amino acids they're made of, what the sequence of the amino acids are, has no idea the atomic weight, the structure. All they need is the name. If we get them in the right state of mind, in the right state of body, and the door between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind is wide open to information, would their intention to regulate that gene, to make that protein, Could they use intention and could intention serve as information to actually signal that gene? Okay, you ready? 100% of the people in the first study. Okay. In the second study was about 95%. They regulated the gene just from thought alone. By thought alone. So now think about this.

Not taking a pill, not taking medicine, not shooting.

So this is not for everybody. So for a person who really wants to understand this, there's a lot of learning that has to go on. And that's what we did with our paper. We wanted to make sure, and this is what I do with my workshops, I wanna challenge your current beliefs and you gotta reconceptualize certain things again, 'cause it's so much easier to forget it than to remember it, right? So it takes constant review and rehearsal and thinking about it. And that's what we do. We teach people information, they gotta teach it back to the person next to them. They gotta get it wired in the brain. They gotta understand the what and the why. So the how is instrumental, right? So they can assign meaning behind the act. So a person who truly wants to heal and change, and by the way, we've had so many people in the last 5 years never even make it to a week-long event, just grab a book and read it or do the online course, do the meditations and show up and not have Parkinson's disease or show up and not have cancer anymore, show up and not have a certain health condition or become abundant or whatever it was. So people are teaching themselves how to do it, but I would never I would never, ever ask a person to step into the experience without the knowledge first. I really think knowledge is the forerunner, right? And the more knowledge that we have and understand, the more we can assign meaning when it comes to doing something with it. So if a person really says, you know what, I saw the data, like if he's saying that, I went and looked up the article and it looks like they're actually making their own pharmacy of chemicals. If there are other people who are doing it, of all ages, of all races, of all sizes and shapes and cultures, all diets, I can do it too, right? And that's how a new consciousness is reflected in the collective, right? So a person who really wants to do this, they just need the knowledge and the information and the curiosity. We study the language of transformation and curiosity is the big one. When you come in curious, like I'm curious, like, I'm curious. And the curiosity leads to the challenge, right? Because now once you got it up there, now, you know, the challenge is that somehow you got to change and really nobody changes unless they're challenged, right? I mean, that's the way it is. So then there's the challenge of the wrestling of their old belief and the new belief. This is how change happens.

And it's painful.

It's painful. It's uncomfortable. It's painful. It takes a lot to get out of those programs, to disinvest out of those programs takes energy and awareness. But, but, but the act of doing that enough times, then all of a sudden causes the person really to no longer believe in that and start to believe in something else. Now, if you're constantly revising the model, experience is the greatest professor. Keep asking the person to go into the experience, have the experience, learn from the experience, evolve your experience, and over time you start feeling better. Now, we didn't say go make your own endogenous opioids. That was just the side effect of a person no longer tormenting themselves, blaming and feeling pain and feeling suffering. Maybe the body was relieved. The pain is the past, right? The body's out of the past and now it's liberated. It's free, right?

Can the body be in pain thinking about the future?

It does it all the time. I mean, when you're in stress, what do you do? Always we go to the worst-case scenario. We always go to the worst-case scenario because if you can prepare for the worst, If anything less happens, you had a better chance of living and surviving, right? And it's all about staying alive.

So I've heard you say a lot of the pain comes from the memory of the past and holding onto that memory of who hurt you or what went wrong or the shame you had around something you did to someone else, whatever it might be, or that accident I had or whatever it might be. But it's also pain is caused by thinking about the unknown of the future.

Absolutely. You could think about some worst-case scenario and fixate on that stream of consciousness to such a degree that your inner world becomes more real than your outer world, whatever that worst-case scenario is, and you'll actually feel the emotion of that future before it happens. You feel the anxiety, you feel the fear, you feel the worry, and the body's getting a rush of adrenaline. It's getting agitated, and you're conditioning the body to become the mind of fear. And that's how people have panic attacks. Do it enough times, it's so conditioned in the body, the body will have a panic attack without your conscious mind. Try as you may to control it with your conscious mind. You can't. You program this subconsciously, right? And so many people wind up suffering about and imagining a life that never really happens, but they're living it every day until something finally does happen, right?

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Yeah, yeah. Well, again, you know, it's the same thing with change, you know. People who say one day I'm going to change or I'll change tomorrow, they're on a program, right? So more than likely, the person hasn't just carved out the passion, but the ingredient that brings something to life, because we study this now, is really the excitement of that vision. You can have that vision, and if it's sterile without the excitement, there's no energy to move towards it. But nobody's going to create that excitement but you. I mean, no one's coming for you. No one's going to come for you and say that. And like a person who just says, oh my God, I saw a vision. Wow. Like, I am so excited. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. It's no longer have to.

It's happening.

They're already living in that future, right?

The thing is that if they keep it alive, What if you have excitement, but the fear is greater than the excitement?

Then you'll never change. Yeah. You'll never change.

So the fear has to be, like, there might be some anxiety or some worry, is this going to work?

It's a choice. It's just a choice. But when you make a choice to change and you have that decision and that decision carries an amplitude of energy that's greater than the hardwired programs in your brain and the emotional conditioning in your body, so that the body responds to a new mind. The choice that you make in that moment arouses the body to feel the emotion of that future before it happens. The stronger the emotion you feel, the more you remember that choice. In a sense, you're giving your body a sampling, a taste of the future emotionally. And so many people say, I can remember the moment I made up my mind to change. I can tell you exactly where I was, what time of day it was, who I was with. Because the event became a long-term memory, right? So the stronger the emotion we feel to some trauma in our life, the more we pay attention to it, the more we brand that in our brain and body as a long-term memory. Now, the person's doing that by thought alone. So if they can't come out of their resting state, then in a sense, it's not that they're lying to themselves. They're just— the body just knows they're not going to do it. And so the body can say, stay on the couch, watch one more round. Of Netflix, watch one more show.

Have some more ice cream.

Have a little more ice cream, yeah. Get to it tomorrow. You're doing great. But that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. But if a person truly wants to actualize their dream, they got to be possessed by it. I mean, to such a degree.

Possessed.

Possessed.

Possessed.

Possessed, like it's on their mind all the time. Not like I have to. It's just like, oh my God, I'm so excited about this. And I've seen people in our work create enormous abundance, the moment they locked in, they were just like, "Oh, I knew it." The body got it, right? The body was getting the taste of the future. And then all they had to do was keep that feeling going every day because it was that energy, that excitement that was driving them to get out of bed and make a different choice, even though they didn't want to. And when we make those choices in spite of those voices over and over again, the voices go away. And whether you're becoming a champion in handball or whether you're being a father or whatever it is that you make you really make up your mind to do, if you really make up your mind to do that, you got to make a different choice, a lot of different choices. And those choices lead to different behaviors. And that's how you change.

Let me ask you a question. If, you know, if you're able to coach me, use me as an example. I've had this dream. I've told you about this. I've had this dream to be an Olympian, to be an Olympic athlete playing with USA team handball in Los Angeles in less than 2.5 years away, right? And I've been, you know, clear about this dream for the last 18 years. Once I got into the sport, I moved to new cities, I went to different countries, I've traveled the world playing this sport. I've moved all my time and energy around making it happen to get on the USA National Team, staying on the team for a decade. Then life happened and I got off track for a few years. But now I've been back for the last few years, reorganizing my time and setting my life up in a way to get myself to the Olympics as an athlete in 2028. Now, I feel— I get goosebumps just thinking about it and saying it. I feel it in my body. I feel excited. I see myself on the bench, coming off the bench, scoring a goal. I see myself singing the national anthem in front of 30,000 people. I feel it. I feel like all the things that I've had to overcome to get there and the obstacles in my way that were just like I'm excited about these obstacles because it's just helping me grow into changing and developing into the person I need to be to make this thing happen. But I also know it's not guaranteed. Like, tomorrow's not guaranteed. I may not be here. Like, whatever reason, there might be a reason why I'm not on the team. I also have that understanding that you can set an intention for a big goal, a big dream. I want to hit this much in sales or make this much or have this type of thing, and you could feel it and it still may not happen or it may look different than what you originally envisioned, right? It may— maybe something better happens. Maybe it's like life happens in some other way. Could you coach me as an example for anyone else who has a big dream 2, 4, 10 years away that they're excited about? They're organizing their life, they're planning, they're taking the daily actions, they're letting go of the old self and stepping into that new self that actualizes that goal and dream. Could you coach me on the process if there's anything that might be limiting me from holding me back from creating this, is it even silly for me to say, well, maybe it won't happen? Like, even remove that thought. Should I let that go and say it's happening no matter what? Like, how should I be interpreting and thinking about this while I'm taking the actions, I'm doing the right steps, I'm embodying the emotion, I'm visualizing, I'm all those things I'm doing, but Is there anything I'm doing wrong?

Well, first of all, I think you're doing a lot of things right.

Okay, just kidding.

Just because just your body language in general and just your enthusiasm and theos, filled with God. The idea of that future is so amazing that you're experiencing it right now.

Yeah, I get chills when I think about that.

Yeah, that's exactly the body responding to the mind, right? And so I think it's really healthy. I think everything you're doing is really great. There's always that one catch of like, What if it isn't the truth? Like, what if I love this stuff and what if it doesn't work? It's a really tough one. I face that a lot too.

Really?

Yeah. But like, what's the alternative? The alternative is you're not gonna play small at this point.

I'm not.

You're not. I'm all in. So I always ask myself, what is that point where everybody else stops? Wherever that point is, I'm gonna go past that point. Because if I can go past that point where everybody stops, I'm gonna have a lot of trust in myself, a lot of belief in myself, right? So, and your belief in yourself has to be earned, right? To earn that.

Yes, you have to stake it.

You can't, you can't. You got to show up enough times where you start feeling pretty worthy, right? And you know, there's limitations with talent and skill and all that, you know, all that stuff, age, all those things are factors. But if you're doing everything that you're doing the way you're doing it right now, I think it's also really healthy to be totally resolved if it doesn't happen. Because if you're resolved if it doesn't happen, then you could say That was a great ride. Like, yeah, I would never be this guy, right? And then of course, oh, as you said, I always leave that door open for like, okay, that didn't happen, but wow, this happened, and it happened in a way I'd never thought of, right? I never expected.

Some people might think about this and say, okay, you have to obsess about the goal, the dream, the outcome that you want to create, whether it's a year away or 10 years away. But if it doesn't happen and you're obsessed about it, are crushed, is like your life over. You know, some people may not be prepared for when it does.

Never over.

Yeah.

Yeah. It's never over.

So how do you in your mind have all the excitement, all the joy, all the anticipation, feel the feelings, think things, do the actions? But then is there also 1% of you saying, but this may not happen and that's okay?

Yeah.

Okay. So that's how you interpret it.

Yeah. But I mean, I mean, that is not a voice that I'm going to allow to dominate my mind.

So it's not going to be a 99% of the time.

Healthy voice that like Joe You're going to go as hard as you can. You're going to go all in. You're going to make something that you're going to enjoy doing.

Yes.

And your goal is realistic and you can get there and just keep going past that point where you normally stop. Put in a little extra time, work a little harder, feel good about it, and you may arrive and you may not. And if you don't, be okay with it. But we're focusing on this as an outcome.

So you have that thought as well sometimes.

Of course. But what's taken me the longest time is to try and to no longer try to control the outcome. And so we have to lay down the very thing we've done our whole life. To get what you want for something else to happen. And that's not that easy, right?

So what's the difference between trying to control the outcome and doing everything you can to create the outcome and also surrendering to what happens?

Yeah, I think it's— I think when you get to a point where you're satisfied with yourself, that's really— it's really easy to surrender.

And how do you know if you're satisfied or if that's the point where you usually stop and everyone stops and you need to know?

I mean, you know what that point is. You always know what that point is where you went, wow, I would have never pushed myself this hard today. I'm so glad I showed up. I'm really happy with my effort. Let me just review what I did well. I want to do that again. Catalog that in there. Rehearse it a few times and then go out and enjoy your day. And I think surrender is not something that you ever finish with. I think it's an ongoing process. My understanding of surrender today is very different than it was a year ago because it's an ongoing process of letting go, right?

What have you had to surrender to in your life recently?

No, I mean, it's always a constant process of trusting the unknown. Oh. And if I start getting in the way, especially if I'm in the creative process, and sometimes if I try to direct it, it doesn't always work for me. So I have to have— I have to be one foot in the real world and one foot in the quantum world. You know, I got to straddle both worlds.

So what does that look like? One foot in the real world and one foot in the quantum world?

Yeah. I mean, it's like you're going to get up and you're going to go to work. You're going to be kind to people. You're going to be, you're going to be caring. You're going to be in good spirits. You're going to do your absolute best. You know, you're going to do all the things that make you a great person. And, you know, you're going to— there's a lot of things you have to do in life. We're in a plane of demonstration. We do, right? But if you're creating in your meditations and you're creating from the field, you're trying to expedite the distance between the thought of what you want and the experience of having it. That's why we create from the field, right? So the synchronicities and the opportunities that start showing up should be working along with you stepping into that future. In other words, you're not gonna be a great handball player unless you show up for practice. That's true. I mean, I had friends in college that applied every year to be an astronaut. And I say to them, they're never gonna pick you. You don't know the first thing about aerospace. But they did it anyway 'cause they love doing it, right? So there's a reality, you know, there's a reality check here where You gotta work hard. That's the 3D world. You gotta still show up. You still gotta change diapers. You still gotta do things, right? Yeah. And that's the 3D world, but you do it with grace. You do it with respect. You do it with honor. You do it with dignity. You do it in a certain state and with love. And then you create from the field and that's where you're looking if the experiment, how much of the experiment you could actually prove to be true for yourself. Right? And that's the fun part. So nothing is ever lost, ever lost in that process, because a person who dedicates their life to something like that and goes all in and gets to a certain point and they make it, or they get to a certain point that's just shy of it, if the person is astute in life, they'll use that same thing to create something even greater in their life, greater than the dream that they had right there. And they'll expedite the outcome in a shorter amount of time. So in the light of all eternity, every religion says we're eternal except for maybe a few. Consciousness never dies because energy never does. You're going to be around a long time. So how many experiences could you have? So what's the rush? So I think what you're doing is there's a healthy, immersive way to do it. And just the resolve is with yourself. And the resolve is, I've given my absolute best. Gotcha. And if you resolve that way, you feel satisfied that way, somehow we let go of how it's gonna happen. And when we let go of how it's gonna happen, it happens in a new way. Again, sometimes it's really surprising, which it should be, right?

Yeah. And so do you ever have self-doubt then? Does the voices in your head, when you have some crazy big idea, do you ever say, "Maybe you've gone a little extra far on this one, Dr. Doria. What do you think? Okay, you've been able to create this, but that is just so unrealistic." Have you ever thought that?

Well, two things about that. In the work that we do in the events, I always want to be methodical. I want a person to heal themselves first. If they heal themselves, they can heal another person. If they heal another person, then there's other things. They can heal another person remotely, which we've seen. So these are new experiences that are new opportunities in the field that many people may not ever embrace. But I never want to stretch them to such a point where there's a big gap between their current understanding and this idea of something really amazing without filling that space with information and knowledge. I doubt when I don't have the substantial and important information enough to solidify that belief. 'Cause if I start doubting, then I'm either living in the emotion of the past, and if I am, I can't see that future because that future has a different emotion, right? So I gotta work my way back into that state. And let's not make this be about me because there have been hundreds, if not thousands, of people that have healed in this work and they've done their meditation sometimes 3 times a day. And why were they doing them 3 times a day? Because they started doubting again. And they started disbelieving again and they started feeling the emotions of doubt. And instead of staying there, they went back down and they changed their emotional state and they got up after that meditation believing in themselves and believing in their future again. And that is exactly the overcoming process that leads to the becoming process. So we're always going to come up against our disbelief. Our chronic disbelief will always be there. You'll know it'll be there the moment you make up your mind to change. It'll just go, okay, Lewis, here we go. I'm gonna show you a few of those that have been sitting in there. They've been keeping you in the known. You stepping out in the unknown, this can't happen and all of that. And those are the barriers that have people return back to the known. It feels right to them, right? But we should come across those beliefs because we can stop believing that and start believing in something else. I mean, And my belief, even in the last 5 years, in the last 2 years, has changed in what's possible for new things. Really? By far. Just, I, there are unbelievable things happening.

With new beliefs coming to you of what's possible, what have been the challenges, the old beliefs that have tried to get in your way personally?

I would probably say, if it happened once, could it happen again, right? I mean, we had, A couple people regrow organs and tissues. So that's not something— Organs? Yeah.

He regrew them?

Yeah, that were surgically removed. Wow. Well, that's not something that I like to say publicly.

Really?

Too many times. But, you know, it means that human body has the innate capacity to regenerate itself at any age if it's given the right information.

Wow.

That's not part of our programming, right? So, like, that's something— I had to watch that testimonial 50 times in a row. 'Cause it was going so against my belief, right? So I hope, I'm hoping there's always a belief that I come up against. If I'm truly in the game of evolution, there should be another belief that says I can't or that's not possible until someone does it. And if someone does it once, there's a footprint in consciousness that a person grows their thyroid back. It's not common that you go to your doctor They remove their thyroid and then they do the ultrasound and there's a thyroid there. You know, like it's just, it's unbelievable.

It's the 4-minute mile.

And a 4-minute mile, once it was broken, it was broken 2 weeks later and then 13 times.

Hundreds of times.

Thousands of times. Yeah, exactly. So that's the same thing with our people who create abundance, people who create changes in chronic serious stage 4 cancers and health conditions, blindness, deafness, whatever. They pop through a certain level of consciousness or unconsciousness And the collective is observing the person on the stage telling the story. And when they see the person telling the story and they don't look particularly fit or particularly young or dressed very well or buffed, or they just look like someone at Whole Foods, you know, just you would pass by, but they don't have Parkinson's disease anymore, or they don't need a colon bag anymore. They're living their life. So I think that is what causes the collective to see a possibility in reality And now it's amongst the collective's consciousness and the probability of it happening again is greater. So that's why we see some people when we're at events with, we had 5 people with Raynaud's syndrome at one event in Europe, where you lose the feeling in your fingers and they're sensitized to cold. 5 people at one event because one person stood up and healed, 4 other people healed. We had 5 people step out of a wheelchair in Denver. It's just not something you see. But when one person does it—

It's a belief.

Yeah. And the belief is not just an intellectual thing. There's the energy that goes with that belief. And that is the energy that's causing them to believe in that future. I always want my beliefs challenged. And because I think it's really healthy because I'm certainly, I'm aware of things that I would've never been aware of.

Yeah.

Than before.

I think a lot of people watching or listening, if they've seen your work on here or somewhere else before, they might believe or they might have experienced that meditation has worked for them and allowing them to get some pain relief. They've had some relief, maybe they've had a full healing. But for those maybe who are new watching, I don't know if a lot of people have the belief that meditation is something that can heal you. Alone, that there has to be something external that you take to help you relieve pain. But for those watching who have never meditated before, or even those who've watched who've meditated for themselves, is it possible to learn how to heal yourself and then heal others?

Yeah. The answer is yes. We see it all the time. We see it all the time.

But for someone Someone who's never thought that's possible unless they were some spiritual guru or Jesus or someone who's like been given the gift of the hand of God to heal people. Can regular everyday people learn how to heal someone else?

Yeah, the answer is absolutely yes.

How is that possible?

I know. Well, of course it takes knowledge and information. I mean, it takes a greater— you have to build a model based on science. You know, as an example, there is a field ask any quantum physicist, a theoretical physicist from Cambridge, anywhere, they'll tell you there's this invisible field. They'll tell you it's kind of like a liquid. You can't see it. And just like waves on the ocean, there are waves that move between us and those waves carry information and particles are just bundled up clusters of those waves interfering with each other. And if you look at the very, very, very, very anatomy of a particle, it's energy. So it's all energy. You're energy, I'm energy, but we're just, again, gravitationally organized energy, right? So if there's a field between us and information travels between us, can we jiggle that field? Can we create information in that field that could begin to change matter? And the data actually shows that it's not matter that's creating a field, it's the field that's creating matter. If you change the information in the field and if you change enough information in the field with brain and heart coherence, you're creating patterns of order that will slow down and change the destiny of matter. So once again, you don't start your 7-day advanced retreat with the understanding that you're going to do a healing on the first day. There's a lot of information that has to be built into our biology. There's a lot of experiences that have to take place, but the greatest changes that we see biologically across the chart when we look at our data is when people are healing other people. Both, listen, in the healers themselves and the healers as well as the healees. I mean, we've had numerous people that are involved in healing that have healed themselves from all kinds of health conditions. We can show video after video of people who have.

While they're putting the energy towards healing someone else who has a physical pain or some type of condition, and they're actually getting the same, if not greater, healing benefit by creating healing for somewhere else.

Yeah, exactly.

That's crazy.

It is crazy. But so, we have these machines that are in the ballroom that are called the random event generators, right? They're very sophisticated coin tosses, right? Mm-hmm. And—

50/50 coin toss.

50/50. 0, 1, 0, 1. It's quantum tunneling. Certain particles make it through, others don't. Well, they're stacked on top of each other and they're tossing a coin about 1,000 times a second, right?

A second.

Yeah, so the more you toss a coin, the more over time it's going to be 50-50, right? It's just going to be 50% heads, 50% tails. No one's in the room. You see this random 0, 1, 0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1, like that, but it's 50-50, right? It's random. Random means you can't predict it. Lewis Howes. So during the coherence healings, remember collective networks of observers determine reality. It's not the number of people. It's not the amount of energy. It's the most coherent signature.

It could be 2 people or just maybe thousands of—

Yeah, but you have 2000 people in a room. Everybody has brain coherence and heart coherence by the end of the event. That means they can jiggle the Jell-O really well. And when we do these coherence healings that we discover that when it's no longer about you and it's about somebody else, you're going to give way more than you've ever given before.

Oh my gosh.

And those machines that shoot zeros and ones all sudden go zero one zero one zero one one one one one one one 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1. They go right outside of normal. In other words, random events are no longer random and highly orderly. Okay, now here's the crazy part. Oh my God, it happens almost every single time we do coherence healing. So those, those random machines that are programmed, machines that are programmed in material, in the material world, throw 1s and 0s. Some external force is influencing that machine. So if we take that machine now We put 5 of them in the room or 4 of them in the room. We covered one in a Faraday cage, nickel and copper and lead so that no electromagnetism can get in there. That one machine behaves as if nobody's in the room while all the other ones are really— So we know that there's some field effect that's taking place. Now it goes a step further because we just published a paper in Explore Magazine just a couple, a month or so ago, 2 months ago. And what we discovered is that in all the other random event machines that are placed around the globe in different cities, the pulse that's being created in that room with a certain signature, when all those random ones are randomly inter— no longer in any relationship with each one from their own zeros and ones, at the exact moment we create the signature in the ballroom, all of those other machines mimic that signature in a very non-local way.

No way. Yeah.

Yeah.

So these are your machines that you place in different places, not just—

Yeah, so there's a non-local communication that's taking place globally in the Earth's field when collective networks of observers do something altruistic to give life to another person's life.

This is crazy.

Or love them into life, however you want to say it. And so then what we discovered biologically, which is super insane, is that when the person is administering the healing, like we do groups of about 6 or 8, right? And you have to get your heart coherent because a coherent heart produces a magnetic field. And when energy makes it to the heart, it goes to the brain. You gotta get a coherent brain, and then you place your hands into the field of that person. If that person's field is coherent, the patterns that are created from their hands are interfering with everybody else's fields and is creating more complex patterns of order. And you're changing the information in the field of the person laying there to a greater level of order. And the hologram, right, the tumor is the illusion. You're creating more, more order in the field. You should create more wholeness in three-dimensional reality. So during the coherence healings, The majority of people move out of heart coherence at a certain point. That's because their sympathetic nervous system is switching on and they're getting really aroused. And the arousal is not fear. The arousal is not pain. The arousal is not aggression. The arousal is ecstasy. So in the act of healing another person, they feel the energy. To do something unlimited, you got to feel pretty unlimited, right? And so the energy in the room is absolutely insane. And I've been at every healing. And I could walk out and the hair on my back of my neck when I walk out, the field in the room is so electrostatic that it feels like lightning is going to strike. And the more synchronized the group is, the more closer they are to a greater level of oneness or source, the shorter amount of time it takes place in three-dimensional reality. And we've seen people that have one experience And yeah, their body's completely changed. Yeah. Wow. They get an upgrade. So, is it possible? It's more than possible. We've seen it happen over and over again. It's so much to the point where it surprises me.

Now, the crazy thing is that someone watching or listening who doesn't believe in this, who doesn't believe in meditation or that thinks you need a pharmacy to heal yourself or whatever it might be, that you've demonstrated this many times over and over and lots of people continue to demonstrate this on their own. I've seen this. I've been at one of your retreats and I've seen this myself. And it's fascinating. But also you just feel empowered, you feel abundant, you feel alive, right? And it's hard to resist it. It's really hard to resist, to go against the feeling of energy. But some people might want— maybe watching or listening might say, okay, maybe I could see that as a possibility where you could rub your hands together and think and feel a certain way and put it over someone and maybe there'd be an energy field. That could help them feel a little bit more energy. Okay, maybe they could buy that. But is it possible with your thought to heal someone in a different location in the world?

Okay, so I'm going to, I'm going to answer these two questions. There's two questions in there. So I don't want to minimize the, the explanation that I gave for the coherence healings because it does take a little bit of training. Yes, it does take some knowledge. I talk about research that was done at Yale University. Talk about this kind of electric field that is now becoming part of biology, information biology. It's not woo-woo whales in space, it's the truth, right? So we have to build a model where a person's level of understanding is really clear enough that they understand that they could actually change information in the field with brain and heart coherence.

They need to know it analytically and then feel it with belief also.

And they've had to gone through a certain amount of training, right? We don't do this at the beginning of the event. We do it at the end when people are really super tuned, right? So, so we did an experiment, right? When COVID happened, people were— we couldn't do events, but people still wanted to heal. So a lot of these groups formed where they were doing remote coherence healings. Now, the quantum field is an invisible field of energy. You can't see it, you can't smell it, you can't taste it, you can't feel it, you can't see it. It's beyond our senses. That exists that is real. I know it's hard for people to imagine this. It is absolutely real. And because it is real, we could actually use it or interact with it, right? So if the quantum— everything is connected, there's no separation. Do you really need to be in the room to heal a person, or, or do you need just to coordinate? Do you need a picture? And that picture could be a target, right? And if you can get to that field, the thought of that person connects you to that person. And so we have probably close to 17 remote coherence healing groups from different countries around the world that do remote coherence healings. We did a study just recently on people with PTSD, and we had— we did a measurement to determine if they were clinically, you know, diagnosed with PTSD, and then they went through these remote coherence healings. Remember now, they're laying in their bedroom and there's 70 to 100 healers that are scattered around the world that just have a picture of them at the same time. Once again, they're not changing the person's body, they're changing information in their field. At the end of this study, the 3-month study, 9 out of 10 people that had PTSD no longer had it.

Come on.

9 out of 10, right? So, there's no pharmaceutical that works that well. And, I said to the researcher—

Were they also doing meditation on their own? No.

Nothing.

No other interventions?

No.

No medicine, no meditation, no—

Right, exactly.

Just other people healing from different coordinates to their energy, but them not also eating differently or sleeping differently or—

Nothing different. Really? Yeah. And, we have other metrics that we're analyzing right now. But, but I keep saying to the scientists, when in your adult life, when in your career did you ever think you would be studying the effects of remote coherence healings and they're working better than any drug or any, any, any therapy? And, and what does this mean? It means we are connected. We absolutely are connected because for that person, and we, we've done so much work with autistic syndrome.

Mm-hmm.

We've healed so many children, so many kids with really serious health conditions. And the payoff, Lewis, is getting on the Zoom call. They do this once a month and somebody tells their story. And when you see a mother who's weeping in tears saying, I can't believe my daughter smiling now and she held my hand in the shower and my son is no longer defecating every night when he goes to sleep. He's sleeping through the night. He's taking naps. He wants to make friends. He's no longer having emotional outbursts. He greeted and hugged his dad when he walked in. And she's weeping in joy. The greatest form of gratitude we'll ever experience is when we receive somebody else's gratitude, right? Yeah. And so here's a woman who's authentically grateful because you changed her child's life. The experience of doing that for the people who are the healers, they don't need a sports car. They don't need a wardrobe. There's no feeling like that, right? And this is kind of where the switch happens, right? Because these people, I've had so many opportunities to speak with them. They say, no, no, you don't understand. Like, I get so much out of this. Like, I could have had the worst day in the world and it comes time to heal another person. I can just forget about all of that. It's about somebody else. And they move closer to love, you know? And, and The experience produced— the experience of healing another person, knowing someone in the tribe's life was changed and their family's life was changed and their parents' life was changed and their friends and their school, everybody changes because one person changes. That's why they do it. They do it for that. And they could be anonymous. They don't really care. They want to be the healer. They're doing that because they know that that and seeing a person's life change is another experience in the quantum that brings us closer to the truth.

And I think for someone watching or listening that might think this is crazy just thinking about it.

It is crazy.

Right? Maybe they think it is or they say, "Ah, it's not. Show me the proof or show me the evidence." I bet there's a lot of people that have done something good for a stranger that have helped out at an orphanage or a soup kitchen or done community service that felt better after they did that act of service. And they actually felt like, "Oh, my pain, I don't feel as much pain just by helping another person." by giving and contributing to others, you don't have to be healing other people, but by doing that act, you feel better in general, right? So I think people can understand that, that they've all done something good for someone else and felt better. And I think if you talk to a lot of people who pray for others that are not in that room, and whether it's their whole community or their church says we need to pray for this person who's in the hospital and the whole community is thinking about and putting prayer and healing thought and energy towards that person and bringing them some relief, you hear people saying, "Wow, I just started feeling better." Sure.

And what's the difference?

Exactly.

I mean, what is the difference? I mean, what is prayer anyway? Isn't that making thought more real than anything else? And isn't like— and we don't pray in desperation. Because if you're going to love another person into life, you got to be in love with life. That's what's— that's the energy that's going to— they need. That's why it's sometimes really hard to heal people that we love in our life because we're so attached, right? We can't get beyond their pain to be able to change our state to reach that level that has an effect.

So if someone, you know, if someone is imagining this scenario where, okay, after 7 days, you're really— you're learning the science, you're learning the art of meditation to heal yourself. And then there's an energetic field. I understand this principle of the quantum field and there's energy that you can't see. And so if there's a group of people putting loving healing energy over someone else, okay, maybe I could see a world where this, this works, but that's because you're next to someone and the energy from your body is radiating into the energy of their body and helping them. Like I'm just thinking of a skeptic, but if you're not close to someone, and they're thousands of miles away. How do you transmute that energy from your thought to your body? You're not close to that person to actually influence the energy around them. How does that influence the invisible world of energy around the human being thousands of miles away with just a thought and an intention of love and healing alone?

Yeah, we have to revise our model. They can't— you can't use the Newtonian model, the classical model of physics. Where there's action-reaction, where things bump together. The quantum is not that way. There's no separation in the quantum. This is not something you get overnight. This is something that you constantly have to think about, constantly have to study. If it is all connected in the quantum, the thought is the experience. Consciousness and energy are one. There's no separation in the quantum. The thought of the person connects you to them immediately. And there's no separation.

No matter where they are in the world.

They could be on the moon.

They could be in outer space.

They did the aspect experiment. It took two photons or electrons, they had them bond and relate, and then they shot them to opposite ends of the universe, and they annihilated one at the exact same time that they annihilated this one. This one disappeared, exact same time. Now think about that. If it was a one gazillionth of a millisecond less, it still would mean something would have to travel through time, and that fastest it could travel is the speed of light, right? So I think traveling faster than the speed of light, That's material turns to energy equals mc². The rules change in the quantum. It's not the same rules here. So if they're disappearing at the same time, it means they're not separate. There's no separation in this field. There's holism here. Everything's related. Everything's connected. And it takes a constant revision of the model. And once the model starts making sense by you understanding it through experience, the more adept that you become. The people that heal that are part of these groups, they have very little doubt at this point. They don't have a doubt. They've seen too many people that they've worked on and healed change. And I was just watching someone talk about someone, the moment they did the coherence healing on this kid who was in a coma, came out of the coma, like right during the healing. Really? That happens more than once. Yeah. So, and you're seeing children with autism look, I mean, have a complete reversal in their condition. We're interested in demystifying the process, but it doesn't take away from the fact that the process still works. Crazy, right? And so for the person who has doubt, I would never want to force this down their throat. I would just want to have a conversation just to speculate, is it possible? Now, if it happens once, all right, It happens twice, coincidence. You start seeing it happen hundreds of times, there's a law that's starting to happen. So with our fMRI studies, when it was so revealing to the scientific community to see that default mode network shut off in the brain, the brain's predictor, the brain's anticipation driving a consumer of energy shut off in the brain to such a degree that when the person finished the 7-day event and they opened their eyes, they still were in that state. And that state is relaxed in the heart and awake in the brain. Relaxed and awake instead of stressed out and unconscious and living in a program. And you can get so good at doing it with your eyes closed, you can do it with your eyes open. And that's when you're less reactive, more tolerant, more patient, more kind, more giving, because nothing in your outer environment is worth you losing this feeling. And you start to figure that out. So We saw areas of the brain in 7 days actually grow in real estate, like the volume of the brain actually got larger. And so not only making new connections, but making new neurons, right?

Matter of the brain grew.

Yes.

Oh my gosh.

So in 7 days with advanced meditators. So then we were like, okay, if there's new circuitry in there and there's new neurons in their brain, is there factors in the blood, these, these endogenous chemicals that are like fertilizer, you know, neurotrophic factors that grow nerve cells. Turns out that they were manufacturing the very pharmacy of chemicals that causes neurons to grow and sprout in the brain, right? So it's in the blood. There's information in the blood that wasn't there at the beginning of the 7 days. It's now there at the end of 7 days. That's pro-life, that's pro-growth, that's flourishing in the brain. Many times the brain becomes very siloed, modulated, compartmentalized. As we shift our attention from one person to another person, to another problem, to another thing, to another place, each one of those neural networks are assigned to that person or that object or thing. And as we age, they tend to stop communicating with networks next to each other. They kind of fire on their own. And when we're under stress and we're shifting our attention that quickly, those networks begin to fire really asynchronously out of order. That's called brain incoherence. When the brain's incoherent, we're incoherent, right? And so that's when the person's over-focusing. So in our research, after the fMRI studies, we've known this because of our other studies, but what we saw was a massive suppression of these compartmentalizations that were taking place in the brain, and the brain was synchronized. It was working in a more holistic state. In other words, the whole entire brain was working in unison instead of divided. All those networks that were no longer talking to each other were now more whole and more talking to each other. And there was a greater level of order taking place in the brain. And what syncs in the brain links in the brain. Now, when a person reaches the state where the default mode network is dialed way down, salience is dialed way down, and they're in this state where there's a greater level of resonance and consciousness in the brain, We discovered that that is the exact state that happens right before the person has a transcendental or mystical experience. The brain has to be coherent to receive information that's beyond our senses, right? So as compartmentalization goes down and modulation goes down and there's more brain wholeness that takes place, a person is going to then begin to interact with information that's not part of their normal circuitry in three-dimensional reality. And that's when they have that that mystical experience. And that's why the brain looks like a lot of times it's on psilocybin because they're having a transcendental moment that has nothing to do with three-dimensional reality. So if the brain now is no longer using all of its energy to be in the default system, where does that energy go? We look down at the cell and the cells are processing energy at a way more efficient level. The cell itself is going from using a wood, a piece of wood in a fireplace to rocket fuel. And the cells now have more energy for what?

Creation.

Growth and repair. Yeah. Growth and repair. Healing. Healing, exactly. And what you see when that information makes it to the cell, at the same time, there's a massive deconstruction taking place in the cell. And at the same exact time, a massive reconstruction taking place in the cell. So the cell is transmuting and changing because the cell is no longer getting the same information. And so why is this important? It's super important because if people really want to understand that they can change, if they really want to understand that they have a pharmacy of chemicals that they can begin to manufacture by thought alone.

Yes.

The reason that we're doing these research studies is to prove to people that it is possible. So Give you an example. Like there's a, there's a thing called an L metric and it kind of determines like how popular an article is, right? How many news stations cover it, how many times it's posted or whatever. So a good L metric is like 20, a really good L metric. Ours was 167 for this research, this research article. A good, a good article gets about 600 to 900 you know, observations or downloads or accesses, we were up at over 130,000. Wow. Because it's such revolutionary information.

People still doubting it in the scientific community when they've seen this paper and the research that shows case after case and study after study within this?

I don't think people really understand what it takes to run these studies. I mean, it's a lot. Most studies take about 7 years to publish. We're publishing studies in 2 years, which is insane. Wow. Because we have a community of people that are like, draw my blood, take my gene, just scrape my genes. I'll sure tell me what to do. You'll put a heart monitor on me. Sure, here's my microbiome. I'll spit here, whatever you need. So we have a huge database, the largest database in the world right now on meditation. So once again, I'm doing all of this to demystify how that person stands on the stage and says, I don't have cancer anymore. I don't have it. There's not any cancer in my body. And they've never meditated before. What happened? So we're using science as a means to show people what's possible.

Yeah. I want people to, who are asking about these studies, I want them to go, I think you have them published on your site or they can have access on your site.

Yeah. All the articles that we've published are there.

So, drjodispensa.com, uh, if you guys want that information, or we'll try to find those on there and link them up in this episode in the show notes as well. So you can see all these studies, which I think people should go see them. They should be skeptical and go see them. And when they see the results, hopefully it unlocks new belief. It's showing you, oh, this is the new 4-minute mile, right?

Right. And the balance really is we have great, great It's human testimony. Really great story. I mean, we just had two great stories of transformation in San Diego. We had one at our last event that was just unbelievable. Pancreatic cancer, complete remission. Gone, like in a one-month period of time. It was really insane. That's evidence. And there's nothing like a good story, right? And so the person who's telling that story is telling the truth. And I look out at the audience when that person's on the stage and everybody's leaning in.

Oh, yeah.

They're like, who is this and how did it happen? Right? So you got evidence in human testimony and you have evidence really in our scientific research and evidence is the loudest voice, right? And now we're discovering like crazy stuff we never expected to discover. Like in our last observation, we started looking at diabetics, right? People who are insulin dependent. And the function of insulin is to take sugar outta the bloodstream and get it into the cell for energy, right? And people who have diabetes, either they're not making the insulin or their insulin isn't working well enough to be able to deposit it into the cells. So we started looking at diabetics in our, in our, in our 7-day events. And what we discovered is that they were taking sugar out of the body, was taking sugar out of the blood and putting into the cells, but their insulin levels weren't changing. So what does that mean? That means that the body is manufacturing something new.

Interesting.

A new pharmacy of chemicals that's acting just like insulin, even though they're not producing insulin, that's doing exactly what insulin should do and taking the, the glucose and putting it in the cell without actually changing insulin. So we, we're discovering all kinds of factors, you know, that, that are antiviral, anti-cancer, anti-pain, you know, pro-neurogenic. Our breast milk studies are insane.

Wow.

We can tell you without a doubt that women who meditate, the information that they're giving that child is telling the child, no cancer and you'll heal fast. Wow. You'll heal fast. That's what the information in the breast milk of a mother who's connected or who's actually doing the work is giving to the child. The first information the child is getting is you won't get cancer. And there's a group of anti-carcinogenic chemicals and very, very pro-healing chemicals, pro-life, pro-growth chemicals. And the breast milk when they started looks nothing like the breast milk when they ended. When they ended, it's a completely different set of factors in the breast milk.

Oh man.

It's all information, right? It's all information.

Every time you come on here, I'm always amazed and inspired because—

I'm inspired too. And I am amazed because I can't, I keep telling the scientists, I can't believe it's the truth. I can't believe it.

Have you ever had any of these scientists who are in drug study work stop working in drug study and just focus all on meditation, or they have to make money still?

No, I think, you know, a couple great things are happening. Um, we are, we are having such great conversations with scientists, um, because, you know, this is not for everybody, you know, and I had to make a choice somewhere in my own personal career where the person who's not going to like me is not going to like me anyway. So why would I want to try to do that? But the people who are interested and people who really want to understand and really want to learn, there's a growing interest. And so when we show our data to scientists, I love looking at their faces because they're like, was this a 1-year study? Is this seeing these epigenetic changes? Their bodies look like they're living in a whole new life, a whole new environment. They've been in a ballroom for 7 days. Are you kidding me? 7 days or what?

What?

All these thousands of factors that are upregulated in their blood that weren't there before. What did you— what did you know? They're— you— they're— it's unbelievable. But you, you can't deny the science, right? It's so obvious. Now, of course, we could always do— we were always working on making our studies more and more bulletproof. You know, we have to do controls more because Everybody will say, "Oh, it's a vacation experience." Our data actually shows that vacations— we studied people who come to our events that are on vacation, that their gene expression gets worse. And, for some people in our event, especially novice meditators, at the end of 7 days, they get a year of their life back. They change their genetic destiny. It's really insane because we have, once again, all the technology to not just look at a few markers. We're talking about the most sophisticated machines to determine, you know, longevity and biological age. So again, when you sit down to do the work, then all of this evidence increases the what and the why for you. And if you're doing it when you understand the what and the why, you assign meaning to the act. And when you do that, you switch on your prefrontal cortex. Cortex, and that's the boss in the brain. And it wants an outcome. And that's called intention, right? So when people get that kind of wired in there and they're doing it for abundance, they're doing it for love, they're doing it for the greatest ideal of themselves, they're doing it for wholeness and healing. All those people that healed in our work, you can ask them, they'll tell you, I wasn't doing my meditation to heal. I was doing my meditation to change. And when I change, I heal. Yes. And there's a The language of transformation we studied is so interesting because when a person truly heals, there's a sense of temporality. Like, I'm not that unhappy guy any longer. I'm not that guy. I'm someone else. The disease belongs to him. Like, I'm a completely different person. Like, they've crossed the river of change, you know? And a lot of times when they hit that moment where they connect to something great because it goes curiosity, challenge, connection, connecting to their heart, connecting to the field, connecting to the work, connecting to a greater understanding, connecting to themself. There's a moment where it's all integrated and it's all connected. And the connection is both— it's always described as feeling it or felt it. And if you feel something and you had an experience, right? And the experience tends— that feeling tends to be divided into two categories. One, very somatic, like every single cell, every fiber, every atom in my body was oscillating like I got plugged into a light socket, or the top of my head blew off, my heart turned on like an engine, lightning bolts were shooting out my hands. These are— it's very somatic, right? And then the other side of that feel, it is very emotional, like I never felt love I've never felt love in my life, ever in my life like this love. And I realized it was within me the whole time. It's always been there. I've just been unaware of it. Right. So that event, when it's both somatic and emotional, changes biology. And there's sometimes there's an instantaneous upgrade, biological upgrade that goes on in the body because the brain is processing a very high gamma, gamma frequency. And that, that gamma frequency is touching every single cell of the body. It's happening in the autonomic nervous system. And the information that's being sent to the cells is new information. The body's being lifted by energy, right? And a lot of times there's the eczema, now it's gone. You know, there's the Parkinson's, now it's gone. You know, there's the PTSD, now it's gone. The body has moved right out of the past into the present moment.

If people are listening and they're still skeptic, grab a copy of Dr. Joe's book, listen to one of his meditations to get started. Get started there and start practicing the 10 to 15-minute morning or evening routines that you have, which are extremely powerful. You can just get started with a few minutes a day. If you feel like this makes a lot of sense, I want more, go to a 7-day retreat. They sell out pretty quickly. They're usually sold out months in advance. So, I recommend going to drjodispensa.com, getting on the newsletter so you can be updated the next time there is a 7-day or 5-day retreat and get on the waitlist, get ready and start training and preparing yourself to believe that the new you is available and the old you doesn't have to be the current you anymore by listening to this episode again, by going through your book, by going through the online courses that he has as well. To set yourself up for new possibilities. That's what I would encourage people to do. And, and there's been a lot of people who've listened to these interviews in the past on here who've gone to your events that say they're life-changing. So I want to make sure that everyone at least listens to a meditation of yours, checks out a book, or gets on your newsletter at drjodispensa.com and follows your content on social media as well, Dr. Joe Dispenza. So this is my final question, and I want to acknowledge you again for constantly showing up and being of service because I feel like every time that we connect, there's so much good healing that happens in the world. And I want to continue to be of service to people. I want to continue to be of service to you and your message. And I want to continue to help my community or new communities coming in of this message. And I think the first time I had you on here was 8 years ago, maybe 9 years ago. Maybe it's almost a decade, like 2017, 2018, somewhere around there. And the reason why I love continuing to have you back on every year is because I continue to remember the future of my possibilities and remember what's possible. And it's a constant reminder of letting go of the old self and stepping into the new self. And so I want to acknowledge you again for constantly showing up. But there's a lot of things that you've shared on this show and at your events over the years. Your personality is your personal reality. Remember, the future is something that people have tattooed on their arm after listening to you on here to remind themselves to think about the future and not the past. If you could only share 3 of these sayings that you use a lot, and that's all you could share, 3 sayings, and you have lots of them, what would they be for people right now in the current state of the world? What are those 3 sayings?

I would probably start off by saying that we are creators. Mm-hmm. We are, and with that, that we are divine. I think that's the first one. And I think that takes, once again, a revision of how we've been conditioned or programmed to believe something differently. And I also think that The power that made the body heals the body. And that power is available to any human being. And I think the most important thing is experience is the greatest professor. And go out and try it out for yourself. Prove to yourself that you're the creator of your life. Just try it out as an experiment. See if I change, will my life change?

Dr. Joe Dispenza, appreciate you. My man.

You've now gone from, oh, I'm anxious, And instead of saying, yes, you've got a disease of anxiety, which, well, now what? You've taken that out the equation and said, okay, you're anxious. Let's do this work. Let's find out what's going on. Let's see what we can do. Let's empower you to now use this anxiety as information and find out where the source is and how can we reconceptualize