How To REPROGRAM Your Subconscious Mind To MANIFEST Your Dream Future! | Dr Joe Dispenza

The brain does not know the difference between the real life experience and what you're imagining. You start to install the neurological hardware to look like you already did it. The rehearsal process changes the brain to look like...

When someone's looking for abundance, it's never about the abundance. It's about the change they need to make for healing.

No, I'm using healing as an example.

Yes.

But let's use abundance as an example. When you understand that you cannot get abundant, when it's no longer about the game called abundance, it's about the game called change. What do I need to change? The more I change, the more I'll be abundant.

Yes.

So then it's no longer, why haven't, how come it hasn't happened? That's the old personality, separate from the experience still in lack asking that question.

Which is creating your current reality.

Which is reaffirming it, because that's the lens you're perceiving it through. Okay, so.

So we should be focusing more on what we need to change every moment as opposed to the abundance or the healing.

Well, the word meditation means become familiar with. Sit with yourself long enough and not turn on your cell phone, not scroll through your social media and do no TikTok, no emails, none of that stuff. Just sit and close your eyes and watch the thoughts that come up. That's the exact reason why you're not abundant. Watch what you want to do. when you're feeling lack to take away the lack and there's always something you would do to take it away. But sit with the lack and be curious on what's on the other side of it, right? Because the body's programmed into lack now subconsciously, right? So the emotion of lack drives our thoughts and drives our behaviors. So it makes sense then that if an emotion is a record of the past, then we're doing things habitually from the past. We're thinking in the past, right? So lower the volume to the emotion. Every time you notice lack comes up and just like breaking any addiction, there's gonna be cravings, right? So the body's going, Hey, Louis, it's been about two hours since you've eaten. You're so used to doing this. Yeah, you've been thinking lacking thoughts about 150,000 times a day and you're just gonna stop now. The body's gonna start influencing the mind saying, It's not gonna work. you're a loser, it didn't work before.

It'S too hard, everybody else... That's why it's so hard for people to lose weight or get in shape. You might try it for a few days and then the cravings or I'm.

Tired and I want to go default back into the old ways. Right, because why? Because the body which has been conditioned the mind, the body is the unconscious mind. So the body's got used to the familiar feeling. They don't even know it's lack, it's just how they feel. It's not guilt, so let me finish. Okay, so the hardest part about all of this is making a different choice. And the moment you decide to make a different choice, get ready, it's gonna feel uncomfortable. It's gonna feel unfamiliar. Your body's all of a sudden saying, Hey, Louis, why don't you start thinking those same exact thoughts, do the same things, make the same choices, demonstrate the same behaviors, have the same experiences. So you could feel that feeling of lack, complain again to somebody, call somebody up and say, How miserable your life is, right? And that's the known, right? So the body's always influencing the mind to return back to the familiar territory. your default. Okay. All right. So now the person says, okay, what thoughts do I not want? What would an abundant person think this way? The people in our work that have created... I had a guy come to our event. I love this guy. He healed himself. He tried to take his life three times. When he told me that when he came to our work, he didn't have $2 to rub together. He's worth hundreds of millions of dollars now. And he just keeps giving it away. His lesson was, and that wasn't the wealth, it was who he became. So it's the overcoming process. That is the becoming process.

Who did he become in that journey?

Exactly. He had to get beyond all of those thoughts of his past, all the mistakes he made, all the things he did wrong, all the money he owed there, all of that. He just had to no longer be that person any longer. But he did say, How would a wealthy person live? And when he created his wealth, what do you think the first thing he did?

Started giving?

Giving it away. Why? Because an abundant person doesn't have any lack. And he knows how to create more of it. And he's in the experiment. Well, what would happen if I keep giving it away? He keeps getting more. That's a good experiment to have. because he is actually living in that abundant state. He also had tremendous healings taking place because when you heal your heart, you heal your mind. I mean, it's just the way it is. We saw it so many times, right? So he healed his heart. He got an upgrade. He got an upgrade, right? So then the next fundamental question is, how would an abundant person think? Write it down, dude, and fire and wire those thoughts in your brain and install the hardware. Keep doing it with attention and intention. It becomes the new voice in your head. It becomes a software program. Then say, okay, how am I going to be in my life today? What would an abundant person, how would they behave? And before you reach for your cell phone and start scrolling through your social media, close your eyes and rehearse in your mind how that person would walk, how they would breathe, how they would smile, how they would greet people, how they would be on Zoom calls, how would they be in traffic, how would they be at dinner. and the act of closing your eyes and mentally rehearsing the act. If you're truly present, the brain does not know the difference between the real life experience and what you're imagining. In fact, just a little bit of time, you start to install the neurological hardware to look like you already did it. Now the brain is no longer a record of the past, it's primed for the future. Keep doing it, keep rehearsing. No different than playing an instrument, no different than learning how to dance, no different than learning how to act, or play a sport, Everybody's always rehearsing, right? The rehearsal process changes the brain to look like you've already done it, you've already experienced it. Now what's the essential part of that? The hardware is in place. Now all you gotta do is step into the footprint. Keep doing it, it becomes a software program. You start acting like an abundant person. Everything changes. Your energy changes, your mood changes, the way you walk, the way you breathe, your posture changes. You're out of the known, right? Yes. You gotta condition the body now emotionally into the future. Can't open your eyes in the morning until you are feeling worthy to receive. And if you can't feel worthy to receive, then if not now, when? If it takes you two hours to get there, ask me if it's worth 30 years of running trying to get what you need matter to matter. Okay, so then the person who wrestles with their lack, they're out of the bleachers and they're on the playing field. Here's what we learned. Here's what we learned. Let's go back to beliefs now. So remember, belief is just the thought you keep thinking over and over again. A belief is something that you keep thinking enough times that you hardwired in your brain and it becomes an automatic program. And we have beliefs about all kinds of things, money, relationships, God, whatever it is. It's all based on what we've been told or our past experiences, right? the boundaries of those beliefs or our emotions, right? So let's just say you got betrayed or somebody abused you or your father told you that money was bad and there's never enough of it or whatever. That's a story, okay? But somehow it left an impression on you. Remember that event very clearly and that's kind of rooted in who you are, right? Okay, so that emotion then is the boundary of our belief, okay? How you think and how you feel creates your state of being. If you take a thought and a feeling, a thought and a feeling, a thought and a feeling, a thought and a feeling, that's called an attitude. A series of good thoughts with a series of good feelings, you say, I have a good attitude today. You have a series of negative thoughts that are connected to a series of negative feelings. You say, I have a bad attitude today. So attitudes are just shortened states of being. Good attitude in the morning, bad attitude in the afternoon. If you take an attitude and attitude and attitude and you keep those up, and you string attitudes together, you create what's called a belief. And a belief is just an extended state of being. So if you keep thinking the same thought, you keep hardwiring it in the brain, you keep feeling the same feeling, you keep conditioning in your body, the redundancy of that cycle over and over again conditions the body to subconsciously become the mind of that belief. And all beliefs are subconscious states of being. Okay, take a belief, a belief, a belief, and you string them together, you form what's called a perception. And perceptions are just such extended states of being that we're unconscious. And so then we edit out reality. In fact, most people don't see things the way they are. They see things the way they are. And people are always filling in reality unconsciously based on their memory. They could be married to a person for 40 years and they don't see the person. They see the memory of the person. right? And there's research to prove this. Okay? So how do we change a belief or perception about ourselves or our lives? Okay, we've studied this. Okay, let's just say that lack is ingrained in there. You got the story. You lived on the streets. You lost everything. You got betrayed. Your business partner took everything, took your wife, took. You got the story in the half. Okay? Okay. You gotta start telling the new story of the future, right? You got to believe in that. future more than you have to believe in the past. So how do you do that? You only believe in the past when you feel the emotions of the past. The only time you're going to believe in the future is when you feel the emotions of the future. So in order for us to change a belief or perception about ourself and our lives, we have to make a decision with such firm intention that the amplitude of that decision carries a level of energy that's greater than the hardwired programs in your brain and the emotional conditioning in your body. And your body literally has to respond to your mind. That the choice that you're making to change in that moment becomes a moment in time that you never forget. Now here's the key.

Physically.

Physically. The stronger the emotion you feel when you make that choice, the more you'll remember the decision. Okay, so then how do we down regulate that old belief. If the trauma created emotional quotient of six or seven, then your decision to change your beliefs got to be a nine. You got to come out of your resting state and that moment has to define you. You could say, I know exactly where I was, the time and day it was, who I was with when I made my mind up to change. Because you created a long-term memory. Long-term memories are created from strong emotion. But the amplitude of that emotion is greater than the betrayal. Boom, the body starts responding to the mind. You're actually giving your body a taste of the future emotionally. So you brand your voice.

It's possible.

No, your body's actually getting the taste of that future event.

It's experiencing the future now.

Exactly. Big explosion in the quantum field. Big explosion. So the side effect of that is if you combine that clear intention with that elevated emotion, you're basically remembering your future and it looks no different than remembering your past. Think neurologically within the circuits of that memory and feel within the emotions of that new belief and watch your life begin to change because nothing changes in our life that we change. And when we change our energy, we change our life. So now the experiment all of a sudden is no longer based on it being hard or trying or wishing or wanting or hoping. That's what we do when we're lacking. or lack of separation. It's about change. So then when we finally realize in order for us to become abundant, we have to overcome the old personality. And that's 95% of who we are, right?

Yes.

So then the side effect of the beginning of this process is a lot of discomfort. It is a lot of discomfort because you're stepping outside the known into the unknown and now you can't predict. It's scary. No, no, you'd rather hold on to your your lack, the pain and suffering. Rather tell the story of that, at least it makes you feel something that's familiar. When you step outside and you're saying, I'm not going to complain about money any longer, I'm not going to complain about I don't have any, I'm not going to judge other people who do, I'm not going to say I can, I'm not worthy, it's never going to work, all those things got to go. I'm not going to feel lack, I'm not going to feel unworthy, I'm not going to feel separation, I'm not going to feel resentment. These are the things that are keeping my reality the same. Now it's no longer about abundance about who you become. So the overcoming process becomes the becoming process. And so many people come to this work, they want abundance, they want healing, they want a new relationship, they want a new career, they want the mystical, but really they want wholeness. They want healing, they want peace, they want wholeness.

Because they feel on whole.

Well, when you're in lack or in separation, you're not whole. Imagine feeling so much wholeness that's impossible to want. that's what we're working on with people. Then you can really enjoy a sunset. Then you can really enjoy a meal. Then you can really enjoy your friends. I talk to people that are very abundant. I mean in the billions abundant. And you know, so many of them say we are in misery.

We're not whole.

We're in agony because they can't enjoy life anymore. That's what they want. I mean people want abundance to be able to enjoy life. They want to be able to do whatever whatever they want with whoever they want as many times as they want, wherever they want. That's freedom, right? Or people want abundance. The sponsoring thought is really they want freedom, right? Or whatever their sponsoring thought would be, right? So then creating from the field instead of from matter to shorten the distance between cause and effect requires that clear intention with that elevated emotion, coherent brain and coherent heart. Tune into that energy and feel it with your brain and your heart. plenty of ways to do that. Examine your personality and examine your personal reality. Change your personality, change your personal reality. Don't make it be about abundance. Make it about becoming abundant by overcoming the person who's not abundant. The person who heals themself from a health condition who's no longer thinking the same way, no longer acting the same way, no longer feeling the same way. You ask them where that disease is when they stand on the stage in front of 1500 people or 3,000 people, and that's a four-minute mile. Everybody's leaning in. That's truth right on the stage. They say, Where is that? Where is the disease? What lives in the old person? Wow. I'm somebody else. That's like, that's, I don't even, that's not even a story. That's not even who I am any longer. So lo and behold, when we do our research, and people do this in seven days of going all in, At the end of seven days, their body looks like genetically, with all the metabolites, that they're literally in a different environment. Here's the weird part. They're in a ballroom. There's not a lot happening in a ballroom. What's happening in a ballroom? I've been to thousands of ballrooms. But the environment somehow looks like they're living in a very prosperous, very healthy, very loving, nurturing, very whole environment. Why? because they were signaling genes ahead of the environment. And if the environment signals the gene, okay, that's epigenetics. The end product of the experience and the environment is an emotion. If you feel the emotion before the experience, you're signaling the gene ahead of the environment. And genes make proteins. And proteins are responsible for the structure and the function of your body. Look at Jack, by the way.

I like that. Look at that muscle over here.

The expression of proteins is the expression of life. So you actually become abundant. You actually become that person. And people who are truly abundant have no problem with losing things. Every thought has a frequency. Every thought produces a chemical. So if you keep obsessing about your lack of finances, your lack of time, your lack of energy, lack, lack, lack, and those thoughts-- I don't have this.

I don't have this.

What are the chemicals you're feeding your body, you're taking thought, it's producing a frequency and that frequency in the form of chemistry is storing that thought emotionally right in your second center. You feel guilty, you feel unhappy. The moment you feel unhappy, then you generate more thoughts equal to that feeling which makes more chemicals and you keep taking energy from the brain and storing it in the body. If you react to people in your life and you feel anger, frustration, whether it's traffic, the news, whatever it is, Parents, parents, whatever. You're drawing from this field, this electromagnetic field, you're tapping that resource and you're making chemistry out of it and the field shrinks. So now, by doing that and living in survival, the body no longer is a magnet. So now you have very little energy in the brain. In fact, 5% of the energy is in the brain. Then 95% is stored in the body. Now the body's been conditioned Emotionally, so a lot of energy in the body, very little in the brain. So in our work, do we want.

Energy to be in the brain?

We want to move energy back up to the brain.

What does that do when we move the energy from the body to the brain or the heart?

Well, this is a great thing because once it makes it here, it's going up. Right? So we do these different meditations and these different techniques to draw that energy right up to the top of the head. Now, when this energy shakes loose, and it starts to move, the sympathetic nervous system switches on, and instead of releasing energy out like you're being chased by a predator or you're having an orgasm, that same energy is going up into the brain and the brain switches on and it goes into these very high, high frequencies called gamma brain wave patterns. Now the person has an arousal, but the arousal isn't fear. Not an orgasm.

Well, in the brain. an orgasm of the mind.

Yeah, exactly. It's energy that's being released into the brain, and you can only describe it as ecstasy or bliss. So the energy of guilt that was stored from thinking and feeling in the same way releases and it travels up to the brain and is going back. And when it reaches the brain, what happens? You get more energy in the brain and it begins to produce that external field. So you're beginning to create a field around your body.

You can imagine the future as opposed to staying in something In the past.

Well, once the energy is moved, you're going to feel pretty blessed in that moment. In fact.

So we can transfer guilt, shame, insecurities into bliss.

Oh my God. Yeah, we do it all the time.

Momentarily.

Oh my gosh. Yeah, we do it all the time. And the amazing thing is that that rush of energy that's moving into the brain is changing the brain's physiology and producing that field. Now you have energy. to heal. Now the body is a magnet again and as the energy moves up the spinal cord and it starts passing through the spinal nerves and there's a lot of dynamics going on in the body, that energy that was once stored in one of those energy centers that's released is energy to heal, energy to create a new future. You're replenishing your field and now the body becomes more of a magnet instead of an inert piece of metal with no charge. Right? So the person then who's reacting to whatever person or circumstance in their life, the stronger the emotion that they feel towards politics, towards the traffic, towards their girlfriend, towards their ex, whatever, the more they're paying attention to it. But where you place your attention is where you place your energy. So we also know that when... It's hard to create from a place.

Of putting attention towards negative energy.

Well, you're not creating. What you're doing is you're tying up your vital life force. You're giving your power away to that person or that circumstance that you could be using to create a new life with. So when a person's sitting in their meditation and I love doing this, we just had an event in Marco Island. I'm gonna take people further than where they normally go. I know they're gonna go, oh, I'm done with my meditation. No, you're not done. We're gonna take you to that point where that feeling is so in your face and you can't turn on your cell phone, you can't get up and walk away because a thousand people are not getting up and walking away and you're part of the community. you're sitting in the fire and you have one of two choices. You can let that brain run on programs and hardwired patterns and the arousal will drive your brain further out of balance or you'll practice the formula. And as you lower the volume to that emotion, you're gonna take your attention off that person or problem and guess what? Here comes energy back to you. You're taking your power back and now you're building your field that way. When that happens, energy starts to move up into the heart. Once it makes it to the heart, It's going to the brain. So we start seeing people there. Their hearts naturally open up. And all the things they thought they wanted when they came to the event, they no longer want because they feel like they have it. They don't need it anymore. Because they feel like they've got the feeling before the experience so that they feel so whole that they no longer want. And they're not looking for their future anymore. You only look for it when you feel lack. When your body is conditioned emotionally into the future, Why would you look for it when it feels like it's already happened? Now this is where it gets weird because now things start coming to you and you're no longer in need. When it comes to you, you go, oh here, take it, I don't want it. I just wanted to know that I could create it. People create a lot of wealth in our events. And the first thing a lot of people do is they say, I'm buying a cruise for you. I'm buying you your car. Oh mom, I'm getting you that house. Why do they do that? Because they're so excited. They feel so amazing and they're thinking, I could do this again. Why would a person in lack wouldn't give? A person who's abundant would give because they know how to create. So now the game changes. It's no longer about the self and you're doing it because that you know that you can create it. So then maintaining that state. When you're in love.

Yes.

When you're in love, in love.

In your body.

You are in love. Not in another relationship. No, you're not looking for it. You're not looking for it. You would be in lack. When you're in love, there's nothing to do. You're in love. You're the magnet. You are it. And so... You are love. Yes, so the events that come into your life would not only be just a reflection of a relationship with someone someone that you wanted to be intimate with, you would have meaningful, loving relationships that would enhance that feeling. And when it didn't, you would say, oh, you know what? I don't know. I don't know if this is right for me. You would trust that because you worked really hard to nurture this, to protect it, to grow it, to trust it again, to open up, right? It takes a lot to do this. We see men in our work I was on them this week. I never let up on those guys. Big macho guys. You want to know what courage is? Let's go. Let's open that heart. And when they start cracking open, I mean we see people heal from colon cancer and from angina and all just boom, there it is, there it's not. That's what's been stored all down here. Once they open this up and it moves, The body is transforming in that moment. The system is informing itself. Information is being restored back into the body. So when you get to that point where you, when you're in lack and separation, time gets really crazy because you want stuff to happen faster and it feels like it's taking forever. That's because you're in separation. When you're in love and you're in connected, you don't want the moment to end. I mean, I had three guys over for dinner last night, all these academics. I cooked a meal and a half for these guys, took out great wine. Why? I wanted them to be so caught up in the moment that they forgot. We made a new memory. We had a great experience. And life then is about experiencing it in love. I'm not going to be guilty of what I'm eating or judge what I'm eating. A five-cooked-a-great-meal, let's eat. because the guilt is worse than whatever it is you think is bad for you. So then, when you're feeling those elevated emotions and you're locked in love, then you see life through the lens of love and there's compassion. Like you could look at your greatest adversary, the person that threw you under the bus, and you've overcome yourself and you've done the work.

They've stolen from you, they've tried to talk bad about you behind your back.

Trashing on you. All that stuff. You'll look at them and you'll see a part of yourself that you used to be that you no longer are and you have nothing but understanding and compassion for like, wow, I feel for that person. They're hurting. They're struggling. I used to be like that, but you're no longer that. When you're that, then they push your buttons. When you're not- you're reactive to that. Because you're equal, but when you've overcome it, why would you do that? You would see them as somebody struggling just like you see a child who's throwing a tantrum just like other children.

Now here, I mean, I've got so many questions around this. this, but one thing quickly, how often do you find yourself in reaction mode when someone throws you under the bus? Whether it's someone honking at you in a car and you say, ah, this, how often do you get back to that place? And like, because we're, aren't we conditioned.

To kind of react and-- Dude, I react every day. I react, oh my God, I react every day. But the fundamental question is, how long are you gonna react? So, shortening the refractory period of your emotional reactions is that kind of intelligence where we're keeping ourselves out of the past. Justified, valid or not, the only person that that's affecting is you. And then you have to ask yourself, is it loving to me? Well, if you can't control that emotional reaction, then you're a junkie. You're on a bad trip and you're overdosing. But if you know that you're overdosing, you gotta get beyond your rational mind, 'cause you'll say, why are you this way? Oh, because I sh-- All right, by you doing that, is it making more of those chemicals? Yeah, why were you doing that? To make you feel more like it's justified. So then, this takes-- I excuse myself many times in one day.

Because you'll be, I'm in reaction mode, let me step outside.

I'm like, are you kidding me? What did they do? And then I'll be like, we're not gonna make a decision in this state. In this state. So give me a minute. Oh wow. I go, take a few breaths, get out of that state, remember my future, where I'm going. It's so much more important than the present moment. I just gotta condition my body into that future. And now it takes sometimes a Herculean effort, I have to tell you. You can ask my staff, I'll be in there 15, 20, 30 minutes. Sometimes I'll say, I worked, it took me an hour. But, to get back to a piece of this. In the expanse of all eternity, if I don't overcome that emotion, then I'm in my past, and that's karma, because that emotion's gonna drive my behaviors and thoughts, and I'm gonna be predictable. My past is gonna look, my future's gonna look a lot like my past. So, if I'm soulfully on the journey, then what matters the most, is being able to learn the skill of self-regulation. So in our events, when we see people that can do brain and heart coherence, they know the formula. I look at their brain scans and I'm like, Louis, great brain. Hey, you got, I see you can hold that heart coherence for 45 minutes. Great, now let's put you on a pole at 55 feet in the air. Let's get a heart rate monitor on you and let's see what you're gonna do up there. Do you wanna be able to self-regulate there? Because if you can there, It's not like I'm trying to give you an adrenaline rush. Actually, I'm trying to do the opposite. I want you to settle your brain and body back down, go against thousands of years of programming like fear and teach your body in that moment how to regulate. I guarantee you if you go a little further than what you did and you stay conscious instead of throwing in a program and rushing through it and trying to get it over with, you start breathing, you start getting back in your heart, you start getting centered, you work against those chemicals, I guarantee when you walk into your life, the moment you see something, you're going to catch on right away. You're going to catch yourself. Now that saves you a lot of energy and a lot of time. Because if you're able to change it then instead of four hours later where you're just gone.

Or you've already reacted.

And you've done things you say, I should have never done that. I should have never said that. That's what those emotions do. Because those emotions make us really primitive.

I know that healing can happen in an instant. So what's the thing that triggers that instant for someone to go from disbelief to belief and it actually transforming them in the physical body?

Yeah, we've studied this and there's no linear correlation because think about this. That woman is a pragmatist. She knew nothing. She wasn't spiritual in any way. She just read my books and then started practicing the meditations. Now, she was practicing those meditations for months before the event because she wanted to come and be fully prepared for it. Right? So from the outside, you see this one moment. But what you don't see is the number of times she worked in overcoming herself in getting beyond whoever she is and getting into that place where she's far enough outside familiar territory, neurologically, chemically, genetically, that all of a sudden she connects to this place. She connects. She starts connecting to that invisible field called the quantum field, and you can connect as your body. There's nothing physical to connect to there. You have to get beyond all your associations.

You know, it's interesting. I think I might have talked to you about this last time that I grew up in a religion called Christian Science that talked a lot about this. You know, it was embedded in my mind that I'm a spiritual being and that I can never be physically hurt. Like, I'm not a material body, that there are no accidents, that there's no injury, and it was always embedded in my mind that I can never be physically harmed or I can be instantly healed. And so my entire childhood, I had all these incredible healings quickly. And I witnessed it all the time from other people and everyone was always like, how is this possible? So I don't know if this is something I was practicing in a different way as a child, but it's always fun for me to come back around now, even though I don't practice that religion necessarily anymore or go to the church, I still believe the same Sure, fundamental principles that I hear you talking about in a more scientific way.

It's a good belief to have. And you program children like you program your children that the body has an innate capacity to heal. And all of a sudden, you're less reliant on something outside of you to make something go away inside of you. Whatever it is, shopping, video games, everybody's relying on their their outer world relationship to change their inner state. Problem is, is the moment you start feeling emptiness or lack, your brain is going to start to look for something outside of you to take it away. The problem is to fill the hole, yeah. Right, the problem is that normally the stimulation that's created from those outer things give the body a rush and so the receptor sites on the cells recalibrate. So you need more the next time to turn it on, right?

So now you buy the new fancy car and it's fun for...

The novelty wears off.

And then it's a week and then it's a day and you're like, it's never enough.

And that feeling never goes away. And so the only way that feeling is actually going to go away is when you start going inward, right? And so we've seen significant changes with people and having that belief should be tested. We should test our belief around that. And my lesson through all of this is that I'm starting to realize how conditioned we are into believing how limited we are. And as you start peeling those layers away and you break through those beliefs, those self-limiting thoughts and emotions, on the other side of that is where the miraculous happens. So you got to be willing to be in that place of discomfort long enough to reorganize order and begin to create more coherence. And then all of a sudden you get this recalibration that goes on in the brain and body. And then the extent of that is that the ultimate thing is you start to see feedback in your life, those synchronicities, those coincidences, those opportunities. You're scratching your head going, everything's falling into place. Hey, I'm in the right place at the right time.

Everything I think about just comes to me.

Because your energy is synchronized. Look, I mean, when you have coherence in the brain and heart, you have a laser of energy and it could read information much better. you're living in stress and your brain is shifting its attention from one person to another problem to another thing to another place to go. Each one of those things, there's an assignment of neurological networks in the brain. So the arousal of the stress hormones drives the brain into this high frequency and you're trying to control and predict everything in your life and those your brain circuits are firing like a lightning storm in the clouds when your brain's incoherent, you're incoherent and you don't have a signal. you don't have a Wi-Fi signal, you're not connected to the field. How could you connect to energy and information if your signal hasn't become orderly? So then when people synchronize their energy into coherence, they can synchronize to a possibility in the future. And the synchronicities that are feedback from the environment are just a reflection of your energy. And that's the universe saying, Follow the breadcrumbs. Do it again. Follow it again. Do it again. And now all of a sudden the person's not waking up in the morning like, oh, I gotta meditate now to create my future. They're kind of going like, I'm getting out of bed because I don't want the magic to end, right? They want to sustain that state so that the old reality that they've lived in begins to transform into something new. And because there's no longer a vibrational match, with everyone and everything in their past, present reality, there's a vibrational match to their future, and now their future is starting to give them signals.

What's more powerful than our thoughts or our emotions? And do our emotions change our thoughts, or do our thoughts change our emotions?

Yeah, the answer is yes. The answer is both. I mean, thoughts to me produce an electrical charge in the quantum field and feelings produce a magnetic charge in the quantum field.

Thoughts, wait, thoughts produce a what?

An electrical charge. Okay. And feelings produce a magnetic charge and how you think and how you feel broadcast an electromagnetic signature that influences every single atom in your life. The thought sends the signal out, now think about this, and the feeling draws the event back. So you could have the intent that you want wealth, you want health, you want success. That's your intent, that's your thought. But if you're waiting for the experience to happen to feel it, then you're not drawing the experience to you because you're not feeling the emotion. So then teaching people once again how to balance their thoughts and feelings because you can enter that cycle either place. Sometimes we do a meditation start opening our heart, we start elevating the body's energy and then those emotions can drive certain thoughts of your future. Other times you open your awareness, you create brain coherence, you have the vision of your future, you begin to emotionally experience it. However you want to jump on that cycle and then sustain it because the longer you're conscious of that energy, the more you're drawing your future to you. So then most people spend their lives, right? We live in this realm called space-time, three-dimensional reality, and you move your body through space in three-dimensional reality. It takes time. So everything, all your goals, all your dreams, all your visions, you're going to have to get your body up and drag it through space every day to pay off that home that's in your future, right? When you create from the field instead of from matter, when there's a vibrational match between your energy and something, and your thoughts and feelings are coherent. Now you are going to begin to collapse time and space or the experience is going to be drawn to you. Now you're the vortex to your destiny and now you don't have to go anywhere to get it because you're not playing by the rules of three dimensional reality. You're playing by the rules of energy and the quantum. So teaching people how to do this and getting better at it, then all of a sudden they're not forcing and controlling outcomes. In fact, they're trusting and surrendering to outcomes because they don't want to get in the way because the moment you start trying to predict when it's going to happen or how it's going to happen, you're overlaying a known over a place where there should be an unknown. Right? So teaching people how to do that means we have to lay down the very thing we used our whole life to get what we want. for something greater to occur. That transcendental moment is something that we're working on demystifying. You could be a gluten-free person, you could be a gluten-full person, you could drink wine, not drink wine, you could be rich, you could be poor, you could be any color, any shape, any size. In fact, you can't tell me you're too old to do this work. You can't tell me that. We've got elders in this work that we show you their brain scans and you'd be blown away. They know how to do it. You can't tell me you're too sick to do this work. We've got people that have reversed stage four cancer numerous times and yeah, it took a Herculean effort to do it, but they love themselves for it. You can't tell me that you're too out of shape or too overweight or too underweight. I've seen it in all shapes and sizes. You can't even tell me that you had a brutal past. People that have had very, very dismal pasts that free. They're happy people. You can't even tell me you never meditated before. In fact, our research shows that many people have never meditated before, have the most profound experiences because they're not trying to make anything happen. They're just following the instructions, right? And they don't have a habit of doing it. So we don't want to exclude anybody in the process. We want to include everybody. So it turns out that our events tend to draw a good portion of men because of the science. We have a lot of children now, teenagers that are coming, people in their 20s. We have a great community of elders. We have, in our events, sometimes 63 different cultures coming to countries coming to our events between 50 and 65. So we want to make it so inclusive that community becomes the side effect because with a community of like-minded, similar energy of people, everybody understands, they get one another. You know, communities tends to be the thing now that in terms of our social media and the feedback we're getting, everybody wants more community because you get a thousand people in an audience and their energy is synchronized. Now you're talking at something so much bigger. We're just going to measure this. I just talked to a researcher yesterday. We're going to measure a thousand people when they reach that synchronized moment when we know that the entire social coherence in the room is orderly. Then if you're producing an ambient coherent magnetic field in your heart and you're tuning into a thought or an intent and you got a thousand people doing that and your energy is going to start interfering and co-mingling with the person who's next to you. When that energy starts to synchronize, it's going to produce a bigger wave. The higher the amplitude, the higher the wave, the more energy there is. So now you have one mind and one heart and now when it comes to healing others and we've done the research on this now and we're collecting the data that we're teaching people how to administer a change in energy in a person that's laying there. Because it's not matter that emits a field. That's the wrong way to think about it. It's the field that creates matter. You change the field, you change matter. It's not your job to change the tumor. The tumor is the illusion. It's the pattern in the field that has to be changed. So once people start reversing this, then you start seeing tumors disappearing. You start seeing blind people seeing, deaf people hearing. You start seeing people with Parkinson's disease switch on. I mean, you start seeing stage four cancer is reversing because now you're swimming upstream. You're going to the headwaters and making that change. So pushing the envelope and then seeing that in a community, when a community is synchronized towards the second half of a week-long event, I mean, as I said before we started the Shel, I'm more surprised than anybody when we witness some of these things. It's crazy.

What is the... We talked about... I heard you say consciousness a couple of times. What's the difference between mindset and consciousness?

To me, consciousness is awareness. Awareness is paying attention and noticing. And so, 95% of who we are by the time we're 35 years old is a set of unconscious, automatic programs that we've just practiced so many times that we're not consciously thinking about those. So in order for you to change, to answer the initial question that you asked, the first step is you got to become conscious of your unconscious thoughts. And you got to start looking at those hardwired thoughts that you think every day that are just circuits that have been fired and wired together.

How do we do that? Should we write a list at the end of the day or what are the most common thoughts we had that day? How does someone become aware of that?

You don't have to do that. You just have to sit down, close your eyes and not move. And then you'll start seeing.

What am I thinking about right now?

Yeah, and all you want to do is observe the thought because when you begin to observe that thought, you're no longer the program now. You're the consciousness observing the program and you're starting to pull out of the program.

Thinking about the thinking.

Yeah, who's doing the thinking of the thinking? about the thinking. That's who you are when you're not the program. That's awareness, right? You got to become aware of how you speak, how you act, become so conscious, so aware of it that you won't go unconscious and let that thought or that behavior run you. You got to say, oh my God, this feeling that I've been living by for the last 20 years is actually guilt. I didn't know it was guilt because it just feels like me. And all of a sudden, as you start becoming conscious of it, you're beginning to objectify your subjective self. You're pulling out of those programs and nobody likes to do that because it's uncomfortable. They'd rather turn on their cell phone, start texting, get on the internet, watch TV to distract them from that moment and that is what they have to move through in order to get to their own personal freedom. So the first step is becoming conscious and meditation means to become familiar with. to become conscious of, to become so conscious of your unconscious self that you won't go unconscious to any thought, any behavior or emotion. And get ready because it takes a tremendous amount of energy to do that and awareness. To stay conscious. And so we fall from grace. Fine, you're awake, you got another day, let's go again.

How often do you fall?

Oh my gosh. I mean, how many times have I done it? Thousands. But I'm not going to give up because the moments in which I do connect or the moments that I do have that transcendental experience, what matters the most after it, when I have that transcendental moment, I look back at all of those difficult meditations, those difficult days, and those are the ones you remember. You don't remember the good meditations. You remember the ones where you came up against yourself and you went a little further. And you said, I'm gonna go a little further, I'm gonna go a little further. Or you had a rough day and you just went in and you just, at the end of the day, you surrender and you have the classic oh my God moment. There's no linear correlation. It's just whether you're willing to live in creation instead of living in survival. And so you get better at it. You know, we just get better at it. And for me, staying conscious and staying where and staying present is an art because you know when someone's present with you in your life because they're paying attention to you. You know when they're not present with you because they're not paying attention to you. So imagine this field of information, this intelligence that lives within you and I that's governing everything material in this world. It's a self-organizing intelligence. You have access to it so you better get present with it as well as you can get present with anything else. And just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That realm you can't experience with your senses, you can only experience with your awareness. So then people have to take their attention off their bodies and go from a somebody to a nobody. Take their attention off the people in their life that they identify with and go from a someone to a no one. Take their their attention off the things in their life, their cell phone, their computer, their car and go from something to nothing. Take their attention off where they sleep, where they work, where they're sitting and go from somewhere to nowhere. Take their attention off the predictable future and the familiar past and time and go from some time to no time. And now if you're taking all of your attention off of everything material in this three-dimensional reality, now there's only one other thing that's left and that means you're in awareness, you're conscious and now that is the bridge, that is the door to the quantum field and you can't enter the quantum field as a somebody. So if someone has spent their whole life working on having the perfect body or so much so they have so much attention on their pain where you place your attention is where you place your energy, it's going to take some work for them to take all of their attention off their body, right? Because they'll go, they'll do it and then they'll go back. Let's see if the pain's still there. Oh, the pain's still there. so it's a little bit of a waltz in the beginning, but as people start applying this, you start getting better at it. As an example, we have Bond University, a university in Australia on the Gold Coast. A senior researcher took a large majority of my brain scans, and they hadn't, she had them analyzed by her graduate students, and they statistically looked at everything. One of the most startling things for the research team team was our community's ability to get to that point where there's nobody, no one, no thing, no where, no time. I'm talking four seconds. I'm talking five seconds. I'm talking nine seconds. Just like, just give me a second. I know how to do this. They've practiced it enough times that the creative moment is when you get beyond yourself. When you dissociate from everything known in your material world. Turns out when you do that and you start changing your brain waves. Your brain waves slow down into alpha and theta. You're suppressing the memory bank of the known self that keeps you plugged into three-dimensional reality. When you quiet down this mechanism, now all of a sudden you start connecting to that field. And when you can stay conscious in those subconscious realms, when you can literally regulate and change brain waves, now you're in the operating system. where you can make those significant changes. So we now know that when people apply the formula and they do that properly, now they're walking through that door where they're ready to create from it. In other words, you can't create from the known. You can't create with your body. That's matter trying to change matter. And you can do it, it's just going to take a long time. But when you create from the field instead of from matter, there's a whole different set of dynamics that takes place. And why not push that envelope? to see, okay, if we've done this, we've done this, is it possible to do this? As an example, we do these wonderful healing circles where you see these dramatic instantaneous changes. So the person who's healed themselves of some health condition, when it comes time to heal somebody else, they're going to say, well, now I understand the science. I understand how this all works. I know how to get beyond myself. I know how to open my heart. They start piecing it all together. Let's take the formula to the next level. Now they witness a significant change in a person's body in real time, right there. So the next question is, okay, like this happened many times. As an example, the woman who was at the event in Mallorca, Spain, her brother had a massive stroke in Colombia and she went back to Colombia and he was in a coma for two weeks. She called up the healing circle and said, Hey, can we do a healing on my brother? Now, if you're playing by the rules of Newtonian physics, three-dimensional reality, you're gonna say, well, you need to be in front of the guy in order to heal him. But if you understand there's no separation in the quantum, that there's everything's connected when you're in that place, so wouldn't that be the next application of the formula? So they go over the science, they get it, Okay, we don't need we just need a picture of him and that's our coordinate and if we're in the field.

Sending a frequency to that coordinate.

Yeah, but you're not sending it anywhere because there's nowhere to send. There's no space and time. You're connecting to it. Exactly. That's a great, great way to say it. In one hour after that coherence healing, he comes back to consciousness. Now, that's the extension of where we're going. You see now Now we're progressing. A woman who was in one coherence healing group was a pediatric nurse in Children's Hospital in Seattle. And again, witnessed the amazing miracle after our event in Toronto. She comes back and there's a little, they call them friends, as a little guy failing. Doctors hit him with the paddles, they use all the drugs to bring him back, and they walk out of the room and they say, We lost him. She walks over, puts her hands right in the field, and this kid comes right back online. Doctors are like, what was that? And now, so we have a lot of our interest now is I want to get 50%. One out of two people were collecting the data in this coherence healings. When we're 50%, we're going to walk into a children's hospital, and we have three children's hospitals right now that are interested in us. We'll show them the data. We'll show them the results. We'll say, We don't want any money. We'll never even touch the kids. All we want to do is just change their lives. And when we're 50%, we're going to start doing it in children's hospitals. And we're gathering the data right now. That's pretty cool. Yeah.

What else would we want to do with it, right?

Exactly.

Amazing.

Do you have kids? I do. How old are your kids? My kids are in their 20s, yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, they're all older and on their way. What do they think about this work? Well, my oldest son, Well, first of all, my kids have grown up with this work. So you have to imagine like my oldest son coming back to one of my advanced workshops three years ago and my friend saying, Hey, is this your first advanced workshop? And he kind of glances over at him and says, I've been in the advanced workshop for 25 years. What are you talking about? So my oldest son is one of my team leaders. He's got a master's in engineering. He lives in Denver, in Boulder, Colorado. and he's passionate about the work. He met his fiance at one of my workshops and they're very, very similar. My daughter lives in London. She's got her master's in art at the Royal College of Art and she's probably the best creator I have ever met in my life. I mean, she's just wired. She knows how to do it and my youngest son is getting his degree in architecture at Cal Poly. And they're all at different stations in their understanding, but they understand the principles. And I've always said to them, if you can figure this out early on, the rest of your life is going to be magic, because you know what to do. And they're pretty wired for it now. And I've really worked in setting up conditions in their lives so that they can apply these principles from an early age. And now that they're older, I think that they understand how to do it.

I'm curious your thoughts on, I have two questions, one that just came to me. What is your, what do you think if you could predict the future about what is coming in terms of discoveries in this work that you're doing? in the next 10 years. What's possible for us to even go even farther than your seeing right now?

I think we'll have a very strong intervention in cancer.

Intervention in cancer.

Yeah, we'll have some really important data to show people that they can turn that around. We have too many case histories and we have too much really good data right now. I think we'll change a lot with people that have chronic pain and inflammation. we have great data to change anxiety and depression without any exogenous substance. PTSD, we have great results with that. Our coherence healings, where we're healing other people. Blind people are seeing, I mean deaf people are hearing, I mean people with paralyzed limbs are lifting their arms above their heads again. I mean this is after 10 years of being... That's great. So we, I mean I've seen, if you ask Joe this Spenza two years ago. Do you think you'd be seeing what you'd be seeing? That'd be like maybe once or twice. It's just, we had so many people step out of wheelchairs at our events. I mean, it happens.

It's happening over and over now.

Over and over again. It's just part of the collective consciousness. And I think more than anything else, collective networks of observers determine reality. And who controls the information? the right information controls reality. And so my job, my interest, is to give people the information to empower them to be the creator of their life and not be stuck in the program that they need someone or something or to make them happy or to change their state. I mean, people are doing it all the time now, and that's just who we are as human beings, right?

So when you say collective network, I'm curious, can a group of people influence healing in another person?

Yeah. Yeah.

Like if they're all in a certain.

State of emotional... Oh yeah, my answer is 100%.

Is it a thousand people?

No, no, just eight, seven, six people with one person.

And what would that group of people need to be thinking, feeling, being... Oh.

My God, you have to come to an event, bro. You have to come. It's just like hitting a golf ball. Just learn the formula and get really good at it. And we have people that are really, really good at it. They can master the stuff. They can hit a target. In fact, they have very little disbelief that they could do it, right?

So belief causes them to create.

Right. But what we discovered, it's not the number of people with the most amount of emotion, most amount of energy. You have a stadium full of people and that's very entropic energy. It's the collective network that's sending the greatest signal. That's bringing heart coherence. Now that's information, right? That's what seems to entrain matter. And it's learning how to send that.

Signal with the right energy. Yeah, and it's just training.

In seven days you go all in. I can tell you at the end of seven days you'll be different. I can tell you that.

I'm curious, I mean mental health seems to be, you mentioned kind of anxiety, depression and these different states that people could come in with, especially people with trauma from the past, whether it be ex-military special forces, people that see and maybe have to do certain things that they're not excited about and that has these traumas.

Prisoners.

Prisoners, yeah. Mental health just seems like something everyone's talking about with the rise of a lot of things, COVID, depression, social media, disconnection, all these different things.

What's your stance on technology?

Technology, yeah. Just the feeling connected but not connected, all these things. What's your thoughts on healing these mental health challenges or.

We have really, yeah, so we have really good data primarily for mental health conditions like PTSD, anxiety, depression, cyclic mood disorders, you know, OCD, things like that. But when it comes to psychosis, you know, we just stay away from that because it's a pathology at that point and, you know, people can come but they have to stay on their medications and they have to, you know, it's just a little bit different game.

But the people who have more depressed states more.

We have brain scan after brain scan to show that you could change that.

You can change it.

Really sure. So is this so like trauma? If you don't know, and again, I don't know everything.

Yes.

But what I do know is that when the brain starts functioning in a level of order or coherence, more neurons are recruited and bigger communities and that kind of holism that's created is so important. The other thing we realize is that when people really heal their heart, they heal their mind. There's no, I have no doubt about that. You cannot do one without the other. And when there's enough energy in the heart, and we've seen this, we've got the technology to see that when the heart starts working, when people start doing it properly, there's this low frequency in the heart that starts to rise. It's only indigenous to the heart because they have their attention on it. Where you place your attention is where you place your energy. they're filling the gas tank up and when it gets to a certain point, here comes the parasympathetic nervous system saying, get out of the stress response, get relaxed, and then all of a sudden you think that would be over. But it's not. Then the parasympathetic nervous system drops down and the sympathetic nervous system comes up and when the sympathetic nervous system comes up, now the person's relaxed and awake. Like they're really relaxed in their heart and they're really awake in their brain. That state is so much better than being stressed out and unconscious in a program, right? So turns out when you get to that state, when the heart starts informing the brain, it resets the baseline for the trauma that's stored in the brain, in the amygdala. It's informing the brain that the event is over because the emotion that they're feeling is dragging the body out of the past. right to the present. When they feel that glory, that really rich feeling where it's like, oh my God, this is something I haven't felt since I was nine years old or six years old. And it's this familiar feeling in their heart. The words many people use blows wide open. When they look back at their past, their trauma, the loss, the betrayal, the abuse, sexually, physically, emotionally, so many times the person doesn't want to change one thing.

Why is that?

Because it brought them to this moment. Now the moment is okay and all that's okay because I'm okay. And they look back at their betrayers and their abusers and they have nothing but compassion. They see the whole thing. They're seeing their past from a greater level of consciousness. So they reset the baseline and the event is over and there goes the endometriosis. There goes the suicidal tendencies. There goes the rashes. There goes the gum disease. Whatever it is. Just the body gets an upgrade. It's no longer believing it's in the same trauma 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year because they're living unconsciously or subconsciously in that emotional program, right? So then what happens to that person? They belong to the future now. They no longer belong to the past. And so it's almost like they don't even have to do much now. It's almost like they're happy for no reason. And they're okay with themselves. And when you're okay with yourself, you're okay with everybody. That's just the way it is, right? So there's one woman told a story how she had a lot of abuse in her life, a lot of abuse by a lot of family members. and she was in her meditation and she thought, I'm doing this all wrong. The amount of emotion just came out of nowhere and she was about ready to give up and then she thought about the nine months or year however long it was where she never missed a day of doing her meditation and she said it was just like it was such a horrible feeling that she didn't think she she could go any further. And then she just said, I'm just going to go one more time. And she just went right past it and then heart blew wide open. Literally reborn, literally a different person. Every biological condition that she had, every mental health condition, all the supplements, all the drugs, all that stuff, gone away. And so then the question is, what happens when the chemo isn't working? What happens when the radiation isn't working? What happens when the surgery didn't work? What happens when the ketogenic, gluten-free, vegan diet didn't work? What now? Right, what now? Because a cancer researcher on the stage with stage 4 sarcoma, she did all the drug trials.

She's a researcher.

Cancer research. And she had the cancer. Nothing was working. She did all the drug trials, all the chemo.

She tried the rare, rare, rare, everything.

The rare, rare gene, 1.001% of the population. She's a physician, she's a researcher. She made sense to her. No cancer anywhere, not in her bones any longer. I mean, out of the bones, I mean, it's insane. I mean, you ask any physician, if something metastasizes to the bones, you pretty much going to be with that for a long time. All of a sudden it's gone. Like, you know, so like again, those kind of things, those four minute miles give people permission to step into that same, same footprint. So what is the point? When all those other things aren't working and it only means one other thing, it's not going to work unless I change and nothing changes in my life until I change, right? And that's the thing that people start to understand. It wasn't about her healing. it was about her disbelief. It was about her emotions that she mismanaged her emotions under too much stress and she's like, oh my God, nobody's worth this. Like nobody is worth this. It's not loving to me. I gotta stop this. I understand now what I'm doing to my brain and my body by doing this. Big moment, right? And you look around and not a lot of other people are thinking this way, but you come to an event and everybody is, but out in the world, you know, it's just the The program is like, you need something out there. That didn't work. We have something else for you. So, that's a lot of taking our power back in those circumstances.

I'm curious your thoughts on this. I've never done this. I have tons of friends that have done this, ayahuasca and other types of medicines or plant medicines, I guess they call it. I've been invited a bunch of times. I know a bunch of people that do this. I've just never done it. And I'm curious what your thoughts are on plant medicines in terms of helping you heal or can it really help you or is it more a crutch or...

Here's my thought about it and it's a tightrope for me to walk this. I think that a lot of plant medicines fit into the same receptors, serotonin and melatonin and they tweak the brain to fire in a different way, which gives us an altered perception from outside of ourselves, which for a lot of people we need that.

Step away from where you are.

You're just seeing reality from a different dimension. You're not seeing it from you, you're seeing it from a different place. And for some people that journey is painful and it creates nausea and vomiting and some people kind of wind up getting really trapped and other people have really profound experiences, right? So if the person has the transcendental experience from the plant medicine, my most fundamental important question for them is what are you going to do with that? Is that going to change your lack? Is that going to change your life? If that insight somehow causes you to act on it because it changes your perception of the world, and it truly causes you to be whatever it is, whatever the experience is, to take that peace with you and use it in some way. That's great. But for many people, insight never changes behavior. You can understand that your father was overbearing. You can understand that Saturn is in the wrong house. All of that stuff, you could understand that there's a chemical imbalance in your brain, none of that. You could understand all kinds of things, but that won't really change your life. Really? It doesn't really change your life. There are people who have done 65 ayahuasca sessions because they have cancer and the cancer hasn't changed. My advice to them is to try something else. Right. Just come on. Come on. Let's make a different move here. My concern is that this is human nature. Everybody has this, you know, you take something and it makes pain go away. You take something and it gives you an altered perception of whatever. You notice that you got a change in your body, you remember what caused it, and so every time you feel that whatever, you remember to do that, right? So now you got a dependency on something outside of you, so on a.

Substance outside of you.

Yes, so right, right. So now you need that substance in order to take away the other feeling. not what this work is about. This work is about actually self-regulating and changing that feeling without anything outside of you, right? Does that create mystical experiences? Profound mystical experiences in our work? Do we have the data? Yeah, we have great data to suggest that those high gamma states, the person is having a full-on sensory experience without their senses. And the brain is not having a little bit of energy. It's not having a lot of energy. It's having a supernatural amount of energy, like more than you would ever require. record. Like the brain is way outside of normal, way outside of normal, like hundreds of standard deviations outside of normal in that state. So it's important then for us to realize that if we're using that substance to regulate our emotional state, I would say to that person, work on changing that emotional state before you take the substance and then take the substance and have a great trip.

There you go, yeah.

Have a fun trip, right?

What is the biggest fear you have moving forward?

I really don't really have a whole lot of fears in moving forward. I feel really good about my team. I feel really good about our research. I feel really good about the way we run events. I mean, I've always, you know, there's always growth pains, you know, and, you know, we outgrow things and we have to do things differently, you know, differently.

Do you have any personal fears?

I just want to stay healthy enough to be able to continue to do this. I'd love to get some people that I trust to be able to help me do some of this on the stage a little bit more. Sure, sure. And I really want to make this work not about me. I never want it to be about me. I want it to be about you. And I do really, I do my best to try to be the example of everything. everything that I teach.

Is your age out there public?

I think so.

How old are you now?

My body's 60 or so.

Your body's 60.

Yeah.

What's your mind?

Oh gosh, I think I have a pretty good young mind.

Your body's 60?

Yeah.

Holy cow, I didn't even connect with that when you just said that. That's amazing. You look incredible.

Thanks, bro.

I'm about, in a year I'm gonna be 40. if you could go back to when you were 40, 20 years ago.

Yeah.

Man, you look incredible at 60. That's amazing. Your energy, it's incredible. If you could go back to 40, which I'm gonna be in about a year.

Yeah.

And you can just give me some advice or you can go back and give your 40 year old self advice. What would you wish you knew and what decisions do you wish you would have taken for any area of life.

Whether it's flossing your teeth more or financially or emotionally. really would be to lighten up. Really? Yeah, just lighten up.

Were you too tight?

No, at 40 I was driven. I was driven and it was okay because I mean, I think being driven is really great. But then when I started to really want to experiment with creating from the field instead of from matter, if I decided to create something, then I went and did it, then I didn't let the creation happen because I got in there, I was driven. I was in the habit doing it. Do do do do do do. Right? So at 40, I just started to experiment with it a little bit more and I think I learned how to, I had to inhibit the need to kind of do it because on some level I doubted it was going to happen. Right? So at 40, I was just starting to experiment a little bit more with this. I mean, this is when I was, you know, getting interested in it. So I probably tell myself to lighten up and make it more playful. I mean, I'm really good when I'm goofy and silly and playful and curious. It's not really good when I'm like rigid and forcing. It's just not, it's just not me.

But when people are act like childlike and they're playful and goofy and silly, what, what occurs in life when they come from that state versus a driven state? I think we make room for the unknown.

I think I, like, I don't, like, I don't, when I, I mean, you watch me at events, I get really, I'm tired and I'm super happy. Like, tired and happy for me is like the perfect formula. like if I'm tired and happy, I see weird things, I have weird experiences. I mean, I get a lot of weird stuff. So, I mean, because I think my brain waves are probably in theta, like I'm wide open, you know? But I think it's so important for people to be curious, like when I'm wondering, like I'm really wondering, like what would it be like to have this experience? And I really, really go down the rabbit hole with it. I love that, right? That's cool. And if I come to a certain point and I don't know what happens next, I'm gonna go look it up. I'm not gonna get on social media and say, Does anybody know anything about... I'm not gonna do that. Research, yeah. I'm gonna own it. I'm gonna own that content so that when I sit down to actually create that experience, I have enough information to believe it's possible, right? So I think when nothing is left to conjecture, When nothing's left to superstition, when nothing's left to dogma, and people know exactly what they're doing and why they're doing it, the how gets so instrumental. We assign meaning to it. Here's an example. You can take a person and put them in an ice bath. They know nothing about anything. They get an ice bath. In a minute, they're gonna be in hypothermia, and that ice bath is gonna be really bad for them.

Yes.

Take that same person, teach them a few things, have them assign meaning to it Make them look for the value in it. Put them back in the ice bath, turn on the prefrontal cortex, and the prefrontal cortex will silence all the circuits in the brain that say it's bad for you. And now you'll get value out of it. It's the same thing. It's the same exact thing. So assign meaning to the act of creation. I'm never going to stop learning about that because those are more tools, more raw materials. So I'm saying people, you want to be healthy, you want to be wealthy, Study. Get real. Get real with the process. So, you want to become a mystic? Study the mystics. I mean, read about them. Listen to what they're saying, right?

If you want to heal your body and your mind, then go study you and go to one of those guys.

No, no, no. Don't study me. Go watch the testimonials. Watch those people. I always say when they send me the testimonials, that's like, that's food for me. I always say, I call them up and I say, she's speaking the truth. And it's not coming from me. She's just telling the story. And I always say to people, don't ask her what meditation she did. It has nothing to do with it. It's how she changed, how he changed. He's talking about change. Like this guy is stepping out of a wheelchair in Cancun with ALS, some rare, weird condition. He was in a wheelchair, walked up to the stage at the end of the event, and I was backstage with him. He didn't say, How come I'm not all the way healed? He said, you know, I'm just starting to figure this thing love out. I think if I can feel deeply, it's going to be good for my body. It's going to be loving to my body. And I know that I can signal a gene if I do it. So he's like, he's in the, he owns a juice bar and he's like in the game. He's assigning meaning that if I can feel the emotion ahead of the experience, I'm signaling the gene ahead of the environment. I gotta get better at this feeling of love. I gotta get more into it. I gotta assign meaning to it. Now I'm gonna get greater value from it. I get it, right? And then the other thing, people come to a week-long event, they say, I don't think I'm changing. You know people who know those people? Yes.

Yeah, this doesn't work for me. You know what?

If you go all in, I can tell you that's not the truth. So you're crossing the river, but you don't see the evidence yet. why would you stop? It was like running a marathon, you're halfway through and you're gonna quit, right? You just keep, I can tell you there are dramatic biological changes that will happen if you go all in. Not in just a small percentage, and almost 100% of the people, like everybody who goes all in has profound metabolic changes. Go all in. For the most part, the brain is a reflection of everything that we know, right? So along with that is our relationship with money, and I feel like I have a really good relationship with money because I work on having a really good relationship with everything in my life.

Did you always have a good relationship with money?

I think so. I think so. I've never really lived in lack. That just wasn't part of it. Even when I went to college and I had to take out student loans and stuff, I always figured out a way to always be a little bit ahead of the curve. And so, let's back up and just look at how people form beliefs. Because most beliefs are created from past experiences. right? So children when they're in their early ages, their brainwaves are very slow. Like their brainwaves are in alpha when they're like 7 to 12, they're in theta when they're like 2 to 6 years old and they're in delta like when they're, you know, newborn to two years old. And so these brainwave states are states that were really suggestible to information.

So when we hear information, we believe it.

And we accept it, we believe it, we surrender to it as if it's the truth without analyzing it because there's no analytical facilities yet. The analytical mind starts around 12 or so, 7 to 12, and that analytical mind is actually what creates a barrier between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind.

So before 12, roughly, what we see, how we model our parents' behavior, all programming.

So it's all being programmed subconsciously, right? And so that's really, really important because if you heard money is the root of all evil, money is bad, only certain people are allowed to make money, you have to work hard to make money, this is how you got to do it. And that becomes the foundations subconsciously. Let's like recording an audio file. You just keep recording that audio file, it becomes a subconscious program, right? A lot of people have a relationship with money based on either what they've been told or what they've experienced in their outer environment. Then we gain information from our environment and the stronger the emotion we feel from experiences in our lives, the more altered we feel inside of us, the more the brain freezes a frame and takes a picture. That snapshot is called the memory.

Based on an emotion.

Based on an emotion. The emotion alters our internal state. So you're going along as Lewis feeling really good, and all of a sudden you have this trauma, you have this crisis, you have this shock, and all of a sudden you have this dramatic change in your internal state and your senses get heightened, and then you freeze the frame and you associate this internal state with whatever it is that's causing it.

And that's how we create long-term memories. Are painful memories more powerful? more powerful or beautiful memories more powerful?

They're both equal. They're both equal. But the problem is I think most people experience more the negative emotions. Those negative emotions really are derived from the hormones of stress. The alarm system, the emergency system, creates an arousal inwardly. That arousal is saying there's something dangerous in your outer environment. It could be a person, a circumstance, an accident, whatever and that change in emotional state causes you to remember the event. You gotta pay attention. You gotta stay really and narrow your focus on the cause. Think about people who have relationships with money from the past. All beliefs are based on past experiences. You have an experience where you lose money, you have an experience where money is taken away from you, you have an experience where you don't have enough, you're living in a place where there's not enough money or a family that's not enough money, then the emotion that most people are living by in a moment to moment basis is lack. Like I'm in lack of having something that I want. Now there's nothing wrong with that because the experience changes your emotional state. You freeze the frame, you take a picture. The problem is that's hardware. So we think neurologically within the circuits of that past experience and we feel chemically within the boundaries of that emotion which would say, for example, be lack. So now the person says... Before you.

Go on to the next thing, what happens to the body and the mind when it is in an environment of lack? Mentally or physically, I'm in lack. What is the body of the mind saying?

Yes, so the body is saying, I'm waiting for some external event to occur. I win the lottery, I marry the right guy, whatever it is. You're waiting for that event to occur. That experience produces an emotion. So the emotion then takes away the lack and so when we play the game in three-dimensional reality, the creation game in three-dimensional reality, we experience separation from everyone or everything because our our senses fool us into the illusion, the hallucination of separation. I'm here and you're there. I'm here and the door is over there. So I'm aware that I'm here at one point of consciousness and the door is over there, another point of consciousness. Okay, so in order for me to get from here to the door, I got to move my body and do something through space. I got to do something and everything in this three-dimensional reality is going to take time and energy. Right? So, okay, so then here's Here's Lewis right here. And then he says, okay, I want this experience in my future and your brain automatically predicts and projects how far in the future you think it's going to take.

Maybe it's a year, five years, ten years.

-30 years.

-Oh my gosh.

-Right? Because that's what it's going to take to pay off that house, right? So now, one point of consciousness, I'm here, the other point of consciousness is where I'm placing my dreams. So, separate from that experience. So then how do I get to that experience? In three-dimensional reality, you got to get up and you got to do something. You got to go to work, you got to drive to work, it takes energy, you got to fill your car with gas, you got to eat food, you got to work, you know, all this stuff, you got to sleep, you got to recover if there's stress. And now people are, in a sense, waiting for the experience that's 10 years down the road or 30 years down the road to happen. to take away the lack of them not having it. And unfortunately, many times when the experience finally occurs, they can't enjoy it because they're too exhausted, right? So then, so you play the game, you go to school, you study really hard, or you study on your own, you develop some skills, you make the right choices, you start saving money, you start learning from your mistakes, and then the game is how many things can you accumulate? And that accumulation then you associate with being wealthy or being abundant or being successful, right? And some people get really good at it, right? You can get really good at that. But for the most part though, when we create from three-dimensional reality, we're creating from lack and separation. In other words, you're driving down the road and see someone driving a car that all of a sudden you realize that you don't have. The moment you become aware that that person has that car and you don't have you're in lack of having it, right? So what the brain naturally does is it naturally creates you driving that car and you have an image of yourself driving that car and you start identifying, wow, that would be a greater experience for me to have. The problem is the distance between the thought of what you want and the experience of actually happening for most people is the concept called time, right? Between cause and effect, right? So some people develop the ability to manage themselves and manage their life, they've got certain skills and they can pay for it and they can get it very quickly. The problem is when the novelty of that experience wears off, you know, the car and they're no longer identifying with that and the feeling of emptiness and.

Lack comes back, they need to find something else.

They gotta go find something else. And so there's this game that goes on where you never have enough, right? And that's the lack game, right? So then if you think about people having the things they want in their life, when they create from lack and separation, it's the experience in three-dimensional reality that produces the emotion. And the emotion is saying, let's feel that experience this thing that you've been in lack and separation from and that emotion then takes away the lack or separation. But you've worked really hard to get it. Okay. Nothing wrong with that. Is there another way to do it? Yes. Okay. So the person who's living in lack is waiting for their wealth to feel abundant. They're waiting for their success to feel empowered. They're waiting for their healing to feel gratitude. They're waiting for their new relationship to feel love. They're waiting for the mystical experience to feel awe. That's the Newtonian model of reality of cause and effect. You know, waiting for that event to happen to take away this separation or lack. Nothing wrong with it. It's the way most people create. but what we've discovered is actually something else. The moment you feel gratitude, your healing begins. The moment you feel worthy and abundant, you're generating wealth. The moment you're empowered, you are moving towards your success. The moment you're in love with yourself and you're in love with life, you'll create an equal. The moment you are in awe of life, you're going to have a mystical experience. And so that's causing an effect, right? So then if you can teach people then how to create instead of from lack or separation, but create from wholeness and create from what we call the quantum field instead of three-dimensional reality.

What's the difference?

Okay, so the way you first of all, it takes knowledge. Okay? The quantum field is an invisible field of energy that exists beyond our senses. You can't see it, you can't smell it, you can't taste it, you can't hear it, you can't feel it. It exists beyond our experience of three-dimensional reality.

Would this be in our mind's consciousness or would this be in a different space?

Okay, let's look at that. So the answer to the question is how much of your waking day do you put your attention on matter, on the material world, and how much of your waking day are you aware of energy and frequency. For most people, they're unaware of the quantum field. And if you're unaware of it, it doesn't exist for you. Just like you have a nose, but if you're unaware of it, it doesn't exist for you. The moment you become aware of it, it exists. Well, the quantum field, you can ask, you can study all kinds of science, and they'll tell you there is this invisible field of frequency and energy that exists beyond the senses that tend to connect everything physical and material. In fact, everything physical and material is connected to this field. Okay? So how do you get there? Right? How do you get there? How do you get there? So we discovered that when you take all of your attention off your body and you are not paying attention to your emotions, your drives, your habits, if you could take all of your attention off of every element in your environment, your cell phone, your tablet, your computer, your car, your whatever it is, your bed. Take your attention away from everything, every place that you live, where you sleep, where you work and you're not thinking about time. You're not thinking about your schedule, where you need to be or what happened yesterday. You can relax into the present moment. There tends to be a dramatic change in the way the brain functions when people do this properly. We call it getting beyond yourself, but in a sense, you're dissociating from your three-dimensional reality. Why? Because if you're thinking about anything in your three-dimensional reality, that's where your attention is and that's where your energy is. Okay, so we kind of figured out this formula when people really become nobody, no one, no thing, nowhere, no time. We are pretty much all of a sudden outside the constraints of the Newtonian world of got to do something to get an outcome. And if you can teach people how to linger there without a name, without a face, without a profession, without a family, without a culture, without a past, without a disease, you teach them how to be in this place we call the unknown, right? And you teach them that from that place, that invisible field, is where everything material comes from. And if they could create coherence in their brain, you need a strong signal in the brain, the more coherent the the brain, the more stronger the signal.

What do you mean a strong signal?

Okay, let's see how I could say this. When most people, we look at, when we look at brains in real time and we're looking at people's, how their mind is working, when you're under stress, okay, stress is created by not being able to predict something that's going to happen in your life, the perception that something's going to get worse or you can't control something, right? So when that occurs, we switch on that primitive nervous system called the fight or flight nervous system and the brain goes into this very alarmed state called high beta. That means pay attention to the outer world. There's danger out there. So it's, but if it's not a predator and it's traffic or your co-worker or your ex, this is where it gets to be a problem because it becomes very maladaptive, right? So when we're in that state and the brain is that in that aroused state, we try to control and predict everything. So every person, every object, everything, every place, even your body, has a neurological network in your brain, right? So as the arousal happens, we start shifting our attention to all these elements, and like a lightning storm in the clouds, the brain starts firing very, very incoherently. And when the brain's incoherent, we're incoherent.

That's not a strong signal.

That's not, it's a static on the wire. disconnection. There is no signal. So when we're in that state, we're always really looking for the worst case scenario of what's going to happen because if you prepare for the worst, anything less happens a better chance of survival. So in this kind of aroused state, as we shift our attention to each one of these elements that are known in our environment, the brain starts compartmentalizing and firing out of order. that is what creates what's called autonomic dysregulation. That causes the brain and body to get really out of balance, right? So in that state, we're over-focused. You know, when you're stressed, you're over-focused on something, you can't stop thinking about it. Our research shows that when you do that, you actually make your brain worse because you're analyzing your problems within some disturbing emotion and that emotion is driving you further out of balance. You're actually knocking your brain and body out of balance by thought alone and you're driving it into these more roused states, right?

For someone that's been living like that for decades, that's their base state. How do they even realize how to get out of that?

They don't usually it takes crisis, right? It takes trauma.

Extreme breakdown.

A loss of death, a breakup, a divorce, a near bankruptcy, whatever it is. a disease, a diagnosis, whatever. Something where you just can't go on business as usual. Now it's time to really start looking.

They have to wake up.

Yeah. So let's get back to the concept of abundance here.

We need a strong signal in this field.

Right. So then, if you can teach people to do the exact opposite, go from putting all of their attention on everything physical and material in the world of separation, and instead of narrowing their focus on something material, ask them to broaden their focus and put it on nothing. I know that sounds kind of crazy, but when you put your attention on space and you divert your attention, the act of sensing without thinking actually starts to slow the brain waves down. Not only slow it down, but all of a sudden cause the brain to start reintegrating starts to synchronize, right? And so you see different compartments of the brain that we're firing out of order start to resonate. They start to communicate. They're all of a sudden synchronizing and what sinks in the brain kind of links in the brain. So when a person has their whole entire brain firing in rhythm, that's a very strong signal that you can send out into the field.

So when that signal is strong in that position, what can you create from that?

Okay, so but that's only one element.

Okay.

So then the clear intention tends to be a very important element that we have to have to get down and the more coherent the brain, the more clear the signal for that intention. So with intention and attention, we could actually make thought more real than anything else. Now what is that? You're saying what would it be like to be wealthy? What would it be like to be abundant? What would it be like to have all my needs what would it be like to have more than I need? What would I do if I had everything I ever wanted? The answer always is the same. You start giving stuff away. Because if an abundant person is truly abundant, why would they hold on? They would say, I'm not in lack. There's more for everybody. Turns out, though, that the signal sent out isn't enough. You've got to have to draw the experience back to you.

So send the signal out to...

It's coherent brain.

Financial freedom, all these different things.

Right, right, whatever that is for you, whatever that is for you.

Putting that out there with the signal with the intention and the attention.

Right.

And then how do you draw it?

So, so in the physical world, you got to go get it. You got to do something. This is the plane of demonstration. You got to go get it and when you're in lack until it occurs, right?

So, but I'm hearing you say there's a way to not chase but attract.

All right, so if you're creating from the field, instead of from matter, right? There's a very strong possibility that you'll shorten the distance between the thought of what you want and the experience of having it. And when there's a vibrational match between your energy and that future that you want to experience, now if you're creating from the field, you actually don't go anywhere to get it. You actually draw it to you. So here comes the synchronicities, the serendipities, the coincidences, the opportunities, and they come out of nowhere. And you say, I don't understand. I didn't do anything. Well, you changed your energy. And so then the other element is a coherent heart, right? And the heart has a magnetic signature. And the magnetic signature is what draws reality to us, right? so you combine that clear intention with coherent brain. Now here's the key. This takes practice. Yes. Because the person who's living in lack is usually unworthy, is usually insecure, is usually in their past, they're usually frustrated, they're usually impatient, they're usually resentful because nothing's changing out there because it's taking too long. Everything takes a lot of time when you matter to matter, right? So then if you teach them, okay, we know all about that. We know the story behind that. We know what your parents told you about money, all that other stuff. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. But now let's do something that would be really cool. Let's write down the feelings of how you would feel if that future happened and you're going to have to feel that to feeling before it occurs. So now, okay, what does an abundant person feel pretty much free, a lot.

Of freedom, peace, excited, joyful, in love.

With life, grateful to be alive, abundant. Okay, now let's practice feeling those turns out when you're feeling those other emotions like resentment and impatience and frustration. you're stepping on the gas pedal, you're turning on the sympathetic nervous system, and you're stepping on the brake at the same time, which is angry, you're frustrated, but the fight-or-flight nervous system says, Run, fight, or hide, and you're sitting in a Zoom meeting and your neck is pulsating is because the heart is beating against the closed system, right? You're not using it in an adaptive way. So the heart starts firing out of order. It starts firing in coherently and incoherent waves cancel each other out. It's called destructive interference and then we stop trusting our future. Energy leaves the heart. Energy leaves the brain, energy leaves the heart and you can't get in touch with the feeling of your future because in survival, what's those hormones of stress, all those emotions, in survival it's not a time to create, right? It's time to run, fight and hide. Okay, so we've got to lay down the very thing we used our whole life to get what we want. the habit of doing it that way for something greater to occur. Okay.

And what happens if we create, try to create from survival emotions?

It just takes a long time. You'll just force it.

Little steps at a time.

You'll force it. You'll fight for it. You'll compete for it. You'll manipulate. You'll cheat. You'll lie. You'll do anything to get what you want because that's what matter does when it's trying to change matter. And everybody's playing that game, right? Everybody's trying to accumulate the most amount of things. Okay, so that's what abundance means to certain people. Get as many things as you can. Okay, you want that? Not a problem, but let's learn the formula of how to create, right? So then you'd have to feel those emotions before the experience occurred. And if you understood that you could dissociate all of your attention from this three-dimensional reality, and have no attention on anything known. And understand it's the field that creates matter, not matter that emits the field. And if you could get to that place and change your energy with a clear intention and elevated emotion, your heart starts beating in this beautiful rhythm like a drum. We've measured it so many times. And when that occurs, the next thing that happens, the heart informs the brain it's safe to create so the person relaxes into the present moment and then we see this like if you took a big sheet, you know, in a blanket and you went like that, the energy of the heart actually informs the brain to move into these beautiful elegant states of alpha brainwave patterns, coherent alpha and that's saying what's the next dream? What is it? What's the next opportunity you want to experience? That's a state of creation. So now you have a Wi-Fi signal you got a coherent brain, that's a directive, that's a signal out, and you got this coherent heart, that's what draws it to us, right? You combine those two and if there's a vibrational match between your energy and that potential in the quantum field and you're feeling abundant and whatever your brain associates with being abundant, that's your call, that's what the creative process is. This is the creative center. The brain frontal lobe actually says what would it be like to be creative or abundant? I don't know what it would be like to be abundant. Well then go read a few books on people who actually became abundant and realized it wasn't a glorious process. They failed miserably. They got betrayed. They learned a lot of lessons, but they persevered. And what are the qualities of that person that you could embody? That's the key, right? Because it's not about wealth. It's who you become. Right, because people think it's about their wealth, but it's the becoming process, it's the overcoming.

You attracted that, right?

Of course. So then you've got to turn the battleship around because most people say, I can't feel grateful for my wealth because it hasn't happened yet. That's the hypnosis, waiting for the experience to happen to feel grateful. Well, that's Newtonian, that's three-dimensional reality, that's cause and effect. In quantum, you've got to feel it in order for you to experience it. Okay? So this heart becomes like an amplifier and it sends that signal out and that frequency can carry the thought of your abundance. Suffering cannot carry the thought of your abundance. Lack cannot carry the thought of your abundance. It's a different frequency. We feel different feelings like suffering. We think different thoughts. So people can say I'm abundant, I'm abundant, I'm abundant, I'm abundant, all they want, but that thought is never making taking it to the body because it's stopping at the brainstem because the body's saying, I'm miserable, I'm unhappy, I'm in lack. So the affirmation doesn't work, right? Okay, so let's go one step further. Yes. So if you practice this and you actually understood, you know, well, we teach this pretty well, but if you learned it just like learning how to play handball or learning how to hit a golf ball, learning how to dance the salsa, if you just practice the formula, you got really good at it. If you're doing it properly then, what would be the outcome? The experiment of being abundant would be that you would have to feel that feeling. It's so good at doing it with your eyes closed. You got to do it with your eyes open. Now, why? Because if you're feeling the feelings of your emotions of your future, you're no longer looking for them. because you're in the future now. Your body is so objective that it's believing it's living in that reality where you are abundant. And as long as you feel that emotion, you're not separate from it any longer. You're no longer in lack. You're no longer looking for it to occur, say, why hasn't it happened yet? If you're feeling abundant, why would you look? Right? So then our job then is to be able to maintain that modified state of mind and body. So, okay, so does that mean like should check your bank account tomorrow and see if there's a half a million dollars in it? No. You keep tuning into that potential and then here come the synchronicities. What's that? That's feedback in your environment. The universe saying, Hey, Louis, whatever you're doing, all of a sudden, we are starting to create, right? And I think it's so important for people to remember that they're the creators of their lives instead of the victim of their lives, right? So the victim is saying, I'm feeling this way because that person or that circumstance or I don't have any money is causing me to feel this way. That's my relationship with money. What that really means is I'm using my lack to reaffirm my dependency, my addiction, my conditioning. That's my relationship with money is that I put my attention on money because I don't have it. So the relationship with money is of course built on lack. And so when they don't have it, they feel bad. And what they're really saying is my outer environment, my reality is actually controlling the way I feel and the way I think. So, Lewis, why are you in a good mood today? Things are going good. Why in a bad mood? Things are going bad today. So, this unconscious program of victimization is saying that we're allowing our environment to influence the way we feel and the way we think. Isn't that? Isn't that? what victimization is and the stronger the emotion we have to our lack, the more we put our attention on the fact that we don't have it. So then the person has forgotten that they're creating reality because what they're creating is lack and they're creating more of it. And then they try harder and they force harder and they control more. They're exhausted and their body's tired and they're breaking down. So the experiment then is let's try it another way. Let's create from the field instead of from matter. Get a coherent heart, get a coherent brain, relax in the heart and energy moves right in the brain. We've measured this a thousand times and all of a sudden the person moves into these beautiful, elegant brainwave states where they're super creative, right? So the longer you're conscious of that energy, the more you draw that future to you. So then what does the synchronicity mean? It means whatever you're doing inside of you is producing that effect outside of you. Pay attention to what you did. Keep doing it again. So generate a little bit more abundance. Just do it for an experiment. Now, when the synchronicity happens, do you think you feel suffering or do you think you feel a little excitement? You feel inspired, right? So then that synchronicity is saying, use this energy, use this feeling. It should be easier for you to feel this now and go back and do it again. Keep the experiment going. Then here comes the promotion. Here comes the email. Here comes the person you meet at the right right? Well, we have something happening here and then that becomes the momentum, right? So then we generate abundance. That's how we do it. And the relationship.

It doesn't just happen by accident. We generate it.

We generate abundance, right? So then if you have an hour meditation where you're tuning into your abundant future, but then you're spending the other 15 hours a day in lack, Don't expect anything to change. You defaulted. You're back to the old energy. And if you say it's that person or that circumstance or that bank account, I'm gonna say you're back to the unconscious program of being a victim. So then let's go a step further. If your personality creates your personal reality, and it does, and your personality is made up of how you think, how you act, and how you feel, then the present personality who's listening to this podcast has created the present personal reality called their life. Nothing big there, which means if you want to change your personal reality, you're going to have to change your personality. Nothing changes in your life until you change. So then 95% of who we are is on autopilot. It's programmed thoughts, hardwired thoughts, beliefs, perceptions, unconscious habits and behaviors. and really, really emotional responses that tend to be really knee-jerk and automatic, right? So if 95% of who we are is a set of unconscious programs, then the first step to change is becoming conscious of those unconscious thoughts. Now people think when they sit down to do the work and make their change that they're doing something wrong. No, those thoughts have to come up. I can, I'm not worthy, it's never going to work. But a person who's truly persevering towards their abundance realizes just because they have that thought doesn't mean it's true. They're curious on what's on the other side of that thought. Ah, well that's just the thought, right? And nerve cells that no longer fire together, no longer wire together. So you keep moving past that thought. It has less and less power over you, right? Now you have power over it or better yet, using your brain in the proper way instead of being a victim to your brain. If you complain about money, if you judge people who have it, if you rush when you're in lack, if you cheat when you don't have what you need, an abundant person doesn't do that. You got to look at that and say, I got to break these habits. Oh my God, if I truly want to be abundant, I can't act this way. Here's the big one. If I truly want to be a new personality that's in a new personal reality, I can't take lack with me. I can't take unworthiness. I can't take the story that goes along with it with my parents or my grandparents or my ex or whatever. That story has to end, right? I mean, if not now, when, right?

How do people end those stories?

Well, of course. Well, how many times do we have to forget until we stop forgetting and start remembering. That's the game, right? That's the game called change. How many times we have to go unconscious and default to that old personality when we catch ourselves and stop doing that and get conscious, that's the moment of change. So the problem is, is that most people wake up in the morning and they think, let me think of my problems, right? The brain is a record of the past, right? So they think about their problems, they don't have enough money and those problems are usually connected to certain people at certain places with certain objects and certain things.

What didn't work out or who screwed me over?

So the moment they wake up, the moment they remember those problems they're thinking in the past. So now they're firing and wiring the memory. They're keeping the memory of past alive in their mind. The problem is every one of those memories has an emotion associated with it because we've experienced so when they feel the lack, when they feel the unhappiness, when they feel the anxiety, now the body's in the past. Thoughts being the language of the brain, feelings being the language of the body, how we think and how we feel creates our state of being. But the conditioning process starts because conditioning only needs a thought and a feeling, a memory or an image and an emotion and a stimulus and a response and you're conditioning your body to become the mind of that emotion. And now the memory is not in the brain. Now the memory is buried subconsciously in the body. And the body becomes the mind of that emotion. So the body is living in lack. And it's believing.

It's like the body is. Is that through the nervous system or is that through?

Neurochemicals, everything. So the body's so objective that it does not know the difference between the real life experience that's creating the lack, and the emotion that you're creating by thought alone called lack. The body's believing it's living the same past experience every day. Why? Because the end product of an experience is an emotion. Well, if your life is changing but you're still feeling lack, don't expect anything that you won't even see it. You'll walk right past it. You're viewing your life through the lens of the past. Okay, so then a person realizes that all their friends making money and they're doing stuff and they're like, wow, I'm really feeling lack now. So then when it no longer becomes about your abundance and it becomes about your change, that's a valuable moment. When it's no longer about your healing, but it's about your change, I paid attention to a lot of people in the last couple years tell their story. The people who heal in this work from cancers and all kinds of chronic health conditions and Parkinson's and strokes and paralysis and all kinds of things. It's rare genetic disorders. It never was about when they really got in the game, it was never about their healing. It was about what do I need to change in order to heal? When the game goes like that, so then the person who's feeling lack on some level or another, It's not just in the mind, it's in the body. How do I create the person of my dreams that I want in my life? And I always say, take out a piece of paper, write down everything you want in that person, and then become it.

That's it.

Because so many people have so many interesting definitions about what they think love is, right? And so some people have it in terms of need. Some people have it in terms of sexuality. Some people have it in terms of control and dominance and success. And so those are different experiences that really don't lead to this concept called love. And so my theory in a relationship, I was in Australia for three weeks and I was doing this big book tour. And I was on all these television shows and all these radio shows. you know, I wanted to talk about, you know, the science of changing your mind, you know, the neuroplasticity, epigenetics, and every television show they were asking me about soul mates, how do you create, and I was just so tired by the end of this tour. I was at the establishment hotel in Sydney, and I was sitting with a CNN reporter and attractive woman, and she said, how come I can't create the relationship that I want? And I just was so over it. I just looked at her and I said, Let me ask you a question. Would you go out with you? Which is really the fundamental question. So I have a couple theories about relationships that I think are really important and I use the same exact principles with my life. First of all, I will never work in a relationship and I don't think anybody should work in a relationship. I think if you're working in a relationship, something is not clicking, something is not right. But if you bring your best and the person that you're with brings their best and you celebrate your life together, then there's constructive interference, there's growth, there's energy. If you're not at your best and you show up, more than likely you're going to pick someone or something apart and it's better that you remove yourself for a period of time and get back into your heart and present yourself at your best. And so if you're not there and you need a mirror or a reflection, then it's good to ask, am I missing something? Am I not seeing myself in some way? And then there's a healthy conversation when you invite it. But if you're not invited to contribute your opinion, then it's better off that you don't. So people always say, I want a loving relationship, but what they really want is happiness, really. So we do these meditations to create love in our lives. And it could be love in family relationships with your siblings, it could be with your parents, it could be with your friends, or it could be with a significant other. And so if thoughts are the electrical charge in the quantum field and feelings are the magnetic charge in the quantum field, and how you think and how you feel broadcasts an electromagnetic signature that influences every single atom in your life. The thought sends a signal out and the feeling is the magnetic field that draws the event back to you. So if you're not in a place where you're in love with life or in love with yourself or practicing diminishing your emotional reactions to certain people or conditions in your life and you're living in anger or hostility or judgment or fear and you want a loving relationship, there is no magnetic field for you to draw that to you. And in fact, if you say to me, well, it's that person or that circumstance that's caused me to feel this way, then I would say, I mean that person or that circumstance is controlling the way you feel and the way you think. And anything that controls the way we feel and the way we think, we are victims to, right? So most people are unconsciously responding to the conditions in their environment Experiencing emotions that are derived from the hormones of stress, those emotions cause us to feel separate from our dreams. They heighten our senses so if we can't see them, it doesn't exist. The threat or the danger puts us in emergency mode. And we can think positively about the relationship we want. We could send the signal out into the field. We could have pictures. We could remind ourselves of what it is. but if you're not drawing the experience back to you, because your response to the environment is actually weakening your organism, it's weakening your response, it's actually weakening the body, then you will be as a victim more vulnerable to the conditions in your environment, whether large or small. And I'm talking about microorganisms as well. So if you wanted a true relationship where it was fundamentally based on this concept called love. Now let's talk about that because we practice this a lot in the work that we do. If you could truly begin to practice trading those survival emotions every day for elevated emotions and you practiced opening your heart, it's a skill that has to take place where you move out of survival. So people say, well, I can't open my heart. I can't feel love. And I say, well, what do you practice feeling? Because whatever you practice feeling, you're feeling most of the time. And that feeling could be guilt, but you're so used to it, you wouldn't even know it's guilt. It just feels like you.

Are most people practicing a feeling or are they just reacting to how they feel?

Well, they're reacting to their external environment. What's happening? Or they're reacting to some stray thought in their mind and every thought produces a chemical. So if they have an unhappy thought, they feel unhappy. If they have a judgmental thought, it produces chemicals that makes you feel polarized, right?

So... How much does one thought change your chemical body?

That's an interesting question. So let's just... I'll put this on hold here. Yes, yes. So the stronger the emotions that we feel from the problems and conditions in our life, the more altered we feel inside of us. the more we pay attention to what's causing it outside of us. So if you have an event in your life, an experience in your life that has a strong emotional charge to it, and you don't feel like your normal self, you feel this alarm system switch on, you're going to narrow your focus on the cause and the brain's going to take a snapshot, and that's called a long-term memory, right? So then what people don't know is that every time they think about that event. They're producing the same chemistry in their brain and body as if the event was occurring.

In that moment.

In that moment. So the highly charged event is actually producing the emotion and the body is so objective that it doesn't know the difference between the real experience that's creating the emotion and the emotion that the person is fabricating by thought alone. The body's believing. It's so objective, it's believing it's in the same environmental experience. So the highly charged emotional events, some people think of their ex and the thought of that person... Makes them sick. Makes them feel out of balance.

So... One image, one thought in their mind makes them feel out of balance.

So all you need is an image and an emotion. A thought and a feeling, a stimulus and a response. and you're conditioning your body emotionally into the past. So now the memories, and this is just not in the brain now, it's in the body. Okay, so now that thought of that person is actually creating a response in the body that's consuming the body's energy for growth and repair, consuming the body's energy to create because in survival, it's not a time to create. In survival, it's time to run, fight, hide. So the problem is that it becomes a subconscious program. It's no longer a conscious process. It now is a subconscious process. So now the body has been conditioned into resentment, into unhappiness, into fear, anxiety, whatever it is. And so it's back to our concept of bringing love into your life. So you say to that person, okay, open your heart and they're going to say, Are you kidding me? I was injured. I was hurt. I'm not gonna do that. Let me see your cards first, right? And once I see your cards, then I'll open up a little bit. So we protect this, right? So now in that state of survival, the research shows that the long-term effects of those stress hormones are pushing the genetic buttons that are creating disease. The body can't live in emergency mode for that period of time. So in a sense, the person is making themselves sick by thought alone. The thoughts are making them sick, literally. So the problem is now the body is conditioned into the past and it's the mind. Now once the body- the body is the mind? The body becomes the mind emotionally. So now all of this energy is stored in the body and now the person now has to leave their unhappiness and step out into the unknown. They have to get out of the familiar feelings that has defined them. So they'll say, I can't really feel joy. I can't really feel love. And what they're really saying is, I've been conditioning my body emotionally so much into the past that I can't feel anything else other than what I know.

Anger, resentment, pain, suffering.

Psychology calls those those normal human states of consciousness. Those are altered states of consciousness.

So normal states of consciousness are these kind of negative feelings?

No, I'm saying that those states of survival, people say anger, fear, those are normal things. Gotcha. No, those are in survival, those are altered states. The survival chemicals are actually knocking your brain and body out of balance. You're out of balance in that moment. And if you keep doing that, the imbalance is now the new balance. And now you're altered emotionally. So back to the concept of love. So the person can theoretically, intellectually, philosophically say, I want this type of person. She's got to be this way. He's got to look this way. He's got to be like this. And they're basically saying, I want something that represents all the things that I no longer want.

Right?

And so they're creating with their brain and mind, which is perfect. The problem is that if you can't feel the emotion of your future, your manifestation of love before it's made manifest, like people say, well, when my relationship happens, I find Mr. Right, then I'm gonna feel love. Waiting for the outer environment to change. to take away this feeling of anger, resentment, emptiness. But they forgot that they create reality. In other words, when it finally appears that I'm going to feel love, that's cause and effect. We're waiting for something to happen. If you're feeling the lack and the emptiness, then you're keeping your relationship at arm's length because you don't have the magnetic field to draw to you. So the emotions that come from these energy centers, the lower energy centers in our body, do have frequencies, there's chemistry involved, but they have a different agenda. So now we ask the person, can you teach your body emotionally what the future will feel like before it's made manifest? That means you can't wait for your relationship to feel love. You have to reverse that battleship and understand feeling love is going to be the magnet, and if you can hold the vision of your future, a clear intention with a coherent brain, organized signals into the field, and you could actually crack this thing open. And practice getting so present in the moment that you're not anticipating the next moment or trying to predict the future, and you're no longer romancing the emotions of your past. You can find that sweet spot of the generous present moment. The familiar past is the known emotionally. The predictable future is the habituation of autopilot, being unconscious and programs. Those are both knowns. There's only one place where the unknown exists. That's the present moment. So if you could work with your body to the point that it trusts you enough to feel so safe that you have conquered it in a certain way that it could actually relax into the present moment, and it's not worried about what's going to happen next or what's going on around you that you need to eat, you need to pee, you need to move. You got beyond all your drives and you're ready to create. That moment where you're present, if you could begin to work with your heart and start to breathe and start to practice feeling love. In the beginning it would feel foolish or gratitude. Why would I feel love if it hasn't happened? Well, that's because you've been hypnotized. into waiting for your world to change to feel the emotion from the experience. But according to the quantum model, your emotion ahead of the experience, when you combine that clear intention with the elevated emotion and you feel love, your body's so objective that it's actually believing it's living in that future in the present moment and your your body now is beginning to change. You are beginning to change your biology to reflect what you're about to experience in your future. So the stronger the love you feel, the more altered you feel inside of you, the more you're going to pay attention to that picture in your mind. Stimulus, response, memory, emotion, thought and feeling. But now you're remembering your future instead of remembering your past. And biologically it's actually the same.

How do we remembering your future as opposed to remembering your past?

Right, it's the same thing biologically.

The body experiences the same way by thinking and imagining something that hasn't happened yet, but it will happen. Okay, well and imagining something vividly from the past that happened sometimes our brains trick ourselves in thinking it happened a different way, doesn't it?

Yeah, but that's incidental. It's none of your business how it happened. In fact, it's not interpreted. Exactly, it's your perception, right? So then the stronger the emotion you feel from some outer experience in your life, the more altered you feel, the more the brain freezes the frame and takes a snapshot. Well, now you're freezing a frame in the outer environment. But if you're truly in the present moment and you know exactly what you want and you begin to teach your body emotions, start practicing opening that heart. It's amazing what happens. The moment that heart begins to open, We've measured this so many times, Louis, on a scan, on a real-time brain scan, when the heart moves into this kind of rhythm, when you're feeling frustration, when you're feeling impatient, when you're feeling resentment, you are stepping on the gas pedal and you're stepping on the brake at the same time and the heart is pumping against the closed system and it causes an erratic beat. It becomes incoherent. and energy literally leaves the heart. Now, you no longer believe in your future. You can't put your heart into your future. You can't trust the outcome because there's no energy there. It's being used and consumed somewhere else, so energy is leaving the brain as well. But once energy starts to move into the heart, we've seen this so many times, and it starts to beat in this rhythm, like banging a drum or dropping a pebble in water, pebble after pebble. The heart begins to create wave of energy right to the brain, like taking a big sheet and going like that. And then all of a sudden you see this wave and the brain gets this rush of energy and that change in brain wave patterns, that change, that wave is carrying information. And the person starts to get a very clear idea. They see their future very clearly. Now that energy is causing them to move into very coherent alpha brain wave patterns, which is the state of creation. This is when you no longer hear the voice in your head that's talking to you that you listen to and believe is the truth.

I'm not good enough.

Yeah, whatever that is. That's called the default mode. It suppresses the default mode network, and the next thing you know, you start seeing in pictures and images. You start dreaming, and that's the imagination. That's the creative state. So now you start naturally imagining the heart is. the creative center. We've got to put our heart into our future. It better be open and activated. So now when you start falling in love with your future, oxytocin is released in the brain and in the heart. Oxytocin signals nitric oxide. Nitric oxide signals another chemical called endothelial derived relaxing factor. And just like when your sexual organs get filled with blood because you're aroused, the same thing happens happens here as it would happen somewhere else and literally the arteries in the heart and lungs engorge and now your heart feels full and it's thumping in order and you're in the present moment. Now once that happens and it's beating in rhythm, the heart produces an external magnetic field up to three meters wide. Now in survival you're drawing from the field and turning into chemistry. When you get energy in the heart, it's causing a change in the brain and all of a sudden it's resetting the baseline for trauma. And now here you have a magnetic field. Now the heart is your magnet. It is the center of creation. And now that energy is frequency. And frequency carries information. And you can lay the thought of your new relationship on that energy because it's consistent with it. You cannot lay thought of your new relationship in need. That's a different energy. What do you mean in need? Well, if you're feeling needing someone to love me, that's a different frequency. That's a different energy.

What happens when you're in a need.

State as opposed to an attraction state? Well, you're in lack. So now you're trying, you're grasping, you're controlling, you're forcing, you're trying to predict, you're overthinking, overanalyzing, and that's how people live their relationships. So then if you are going to prepare your brain and body for a new relationship, then you would have to become love completely every day. And that signal then that you're sending out into the field can carry the thought of your health, your wealth, your relationship or whatever. But here's the cool part. When the heart is activated like that and you feel so whole, so in love with life, so satisfied in the moment, so exuberant that it's impossible to want. Now you're no longer in lack. Now you're so whole that you will magnetize wholeness in your life. The person who's the person that fits the mold energetically that would be the same as you and yet complement you so that the two can become one. Right? And then instead of in contrast, in union, you exchange information equal to that emotional state. In other words, people use each other to reaffirm their dependence on certain emotions. You have certain people you complain with about politics or whatever. They complain back about their lives and you use each other to reaffirm some type of belief or something. Belief about life. emotionally. You have emotional agreements on things. Well, that emotion is energy and energy is frequency and frequency carries information. So you share the same energy, you share the same information, but that's what people do in their lives. But now in a true loving relationship, when you're truly in your heart, then the question is what would love do in the relationship? And when your heart is open, it's no longer about you. It's about how I feel so amazing with you, I feel even more amazing, but without you, I'm still whole. And so now I'm no longer in need or lack. And so now when we get together and our fields interfere, when they start interfering, now the amplitude gets way higher. There's way more energy. And now, I mean, I'm all about all seven centers of the body lining up. All of them. And we're here in a body, let's enjoy it all. come from love. And so now your heart is so open that you can't do anything else but give. You feel so amazing. You're so happy with yourself, so happy with your life, so happy with what you have. You want other people to feel the same way. And you say, Here, take that. And when you give now, guess what happens? You release more oxytocin, more nitric oxide, and more of those chemicals that cause the the heart to swell even more. Then all of a sudden, your immune system gets stronger and all of a sudden, your body starts feeling better, you start having more energy, and now the constructive interference between two people that are coming together in wholeness and no longer dependence or lack or separation or need is a different game. So then what they do to protect to nurture, to grow, to evolve that love is one of the most important things that they have. Not because they're doing it out of obligation or because they're married or whatever. It's just they can't not do it. We see people, we had somebody scan the other day in our workshop in profoundly high amounts of gamma. She can do it on command. And there's an incredible arousal that takes place that goes along with these high brain frequencies that you can only describe as ecstasy or bliss. Now you're getting that ecstasy and bliss not from anyone or anything out there. No drug, no person, no football game, no shopping spree is doing that. It's somehow it's coming from within. Like what is that connection that you have And so one of the scientists said to this woman, how do you do that? You know what she said? I have difficulty not doing it. I can't not do it when I'm in a relationship. When I'm doing this, it's too good. So now that could be a constant feeling in your life. So now, what, love? Independent of anyone or anything, it's coming from within you. Okay? So think about this.

Whether you're in a relationship or single.

It doesn't matter. You're whole. Your love is not wavering, it's constant, right? So now imagine having this feeling. And when oxytocin is released, what most people don't know is that it seeps into the amygdala and there's certain survival emotions in the amygdala. Fear and anxiety, aggression and anger. pain and suffering. And it literally shuts the lights out in those circuits in the amygdala. And there's only one thing left, love and joy, right? So now this person is suppressing the survival centers, resetting the baseline of the past, how they perceive the past. And now the research on oxytocin shows that when you have just a slight, slight level of increase, and ours, our research shows our students are way outside of normal. That it's impossible to hold a grudge. You know why? Because the feeling feels so good. Why would you judge another person or why would you react to some condition and lose that feeling? You figure it out really fast. So this birth of unconditional love really says, I'm in love with myself, my connection to some divine intelligence within me. And because I'm so in love with life and with myself, I'm looking at life through the lens of love, which means I'm going to allow you to be whoever you want around me. I don't really... I'm not a reaction, no. I'm not a reaction because I've overcome my fear, I've overcome my anger, and now I'm ready for love. And now that relationship that you have, if you find that equal, That's a needle in the haystack because now it's a vibrational match. And so as long as you're evolving, as long as I'm evolving, as long as we're sharing the same ideals, as long as we're working together, as long as we have our independence, and as long as we come together and we bring our best, and I say to you, how was your day? What did you learn? Or let's start our day. So how are you going to be today? Come on, let's just support each other. So what are the programs you're going to stay away from? Are you going to rush? What did you do yesterday that you want to improve today? How can I support you? How can I love you in that? You want a text at noon? What do you need? And then how am I going to be? Tell me how you're going to vocalize it, articulate it so that now I understand your intention and I can support that's good. And so then when the person can articulate it, what are they doing? They're rehearsing in their minds who they're going to be. becoming conscious of their future. And then they have to work on staying conscious of their unconscious programs and by articulating that they're going to not let those thoughts slip by as well. So then now you have two people in evolution. It's no longer about all the other things. It's not about the money, it's not about the sex, it's not about the weight, it's not about the diet. Those are all things that are we already know. This is something else. this is a whole other level where when you exchange and evolve on this level, it's the most important thing because now you see that person as a mirror. Oh my God, she did amazing. I'm in love with her. I admire her. Wow, she's got it going on. She executed today. She got her behaviors to match her intentions and I want to celebrate Her, like wow, I'm in awe. That to me, you don't work on that. You work on you. Everybody works on themselves and then they bring their best. And if they're not at their best, excuse yourself and get back to your best. And if you tell me it's that person or that circumstance, we went back to the unconscious program of being a victim. Nothing wrong with that, nothing wrong with reacting. But the next question is how long?

I'm gonna stay in this mode.

Right, or do you want help getting out? Right, so I think that when you start feeling those elevated emotions and your energy is synchronized, right? And you got a Wi-Fi signal. You got a signal.

You're connected, you're 5G, you're connected.

And what are you connected in? In this sense of wholeness, this sense of love, this sense of joy, this satisfaction with yourself and your life. And when, I mean, I watch this, Louis. I mean, people come to our events for all kinds of reasons. Some people come for health, some people come for wealth, some people come for relationships. It's really funny and they show up, angry people, they're angry with themselves. When they're angry with themselves, they'll be impatient and angry with others. People who are unhappy with themselves will punish other people so that they can feel their unhappiness.

Or is it to get their anger out or is it why?

No, because that's who they are. That's the emotion that's driving their behaviors. People who are in love with themselves will find love in others. People who are happy with themselves will find something that they can connect with. They won't see all the flaws. They'll see some part of them that they want to enjoy. I mean, so if you're in a relationship and you've scrubbed the cupboard, and you've taken out all those skeletons and you've looked at them and you said, I don't want to bring this into my relationship. I don't want my insecurity to be there. I don't want my fear to be there. I don't want my judgment to be there. I don't want my emotions from other relationships to be there. So let me finish this. In other words, if you want love in your life and your future, then you better take care of your frustration because you can't bring that there. you gotta leave it. So then you may say to me, well, it's because that person and this emotion from 15 years ago, my ex, makes me feel frustrated. Let me tell you something. The only reason that you're thinking about your ex is because you're still in frustration. You overcome frustration. You'll look back at your ex and you'll be like, I wish them well. I'm not connected to my past any longer. So cleaning the cupboards and getting down to those thoughts that slip by people's awareness all the time, their behaviors. They complain, they make excuses, they say it'll never happen. What do they do? And the emotions that keep them connected to their past, they won't even see that person. They'll walk right past their future relationship. They'll never recognize that person because they're looking at their future through the neurology and the chemistry of their past. And the brain only learns by We only see reality based on pattern recognition. I memorize your face, now I know Lewis and if the pattern matches, I know. But if you're creating a future and you're not clear on that future and you want all these things but you haven't addressed all those circuits and behaviors and emotions and chemicals of the past, you won't recognize the pattern. You'll walk right past the relationship, you'll never see it. So I think that there's the preparation for the relationship, the overcoming and overcoming and overcoming and overcoming and overcoming and becoming all of a sudden now says, I am worthy. And the universe only gives us what we think we're worthy of receiving. So when you're worthy to receive, it's not going to be on match.com when you're looking at body parts and whatever else. This is gonna be like ka-ching, energy connection. Wow. Like that came out of nowhere because when you're in survival and you're in separation and you're in lack and you're forcing and controlling and trying to predict outcomes, you're matter trying to change matter. And of course it's going to take time for this to happen because you're creating a three-dimensional reality and everything in three-dimensional reality it takes time. But when you're creating from the heart with a coherent brain and a coherent heart, and you've got that 5G Wi-Fi signal, it's not like you go anywhere now. The experiences are coming to you. You're drawing the event to you. So we spend a lot of time bonding with our future emotionally. I have colleagues of mine who look at our data on oxytocin and they're like, Listen, oxytocin levels go up during, you know, when I'm in a relationship, the honeymoon stage of relationship, and monogamy is created because of those chemicals, or a female mammal is bonding with our offspring. That's exactly right. I want our people, our students, to bond and fall in love with our future just like they do with somebody else. And when you're bonded to your future, no person, no circumstance, no thing is going to remove you from it. if you fall from grace during the day, then the next question is what person, what circumstance caused me to disconnect from my love in the future and let me rehearse in my mind if I have that same circumstance how I'm going to overcome it. And now you're worthy of love. It's no longer the person or the event. It's just you're doing what it takes to stay in the emotion of your future. your body is aligned emotionally to that future. So great doing it with a meditation. That's easy. But now the real game is open your eyes. Open your eyes. Life is happening.

It's happening.

Open your eyes and be in the initiation of life and stay in that place and just know that your future is going to happen. So being able to activate the heart and breathe in there and get the body out of survival and start working with it like it feels safe enough to create once energy makes it here, you're going to get some really good ideas. You're gonna see things you never thought of seeing. You're gonna feel things you never thought you'd feel. And the images that you're creating, what are they doing? The thoughts that you're creating, they're making more of those chemicals. And now you're feeling more of the feeling of your future before it happens. You're giving your body a sampling, a taste of the future before it's happened. Keep doing that enough times and that feeling is gonna become very familiar to you. I think this is a time in history where not enough to know. This is a time in history to know how. And if you rewind the tape 10 years ago, information was the thing that stimulated thought, stimulated new ideas. And as we learn new things, we make new connections in our brains. So as we begin to add new stitches into that three-dimensional tapestry in our mind, we're beginning to cause our mind to function in new ways. But the key then is to apply to personalize it, to do something with it. And 10 years ago, when I got in front of an audience and talked about the application, nobody wanted to step outside that philosophical, theoretical, intellectual realm, right? Because when doing something means you're going to have to change something about yourself. Yeah, you're going to get uncomfortable, right? And I think we're in an age of information, and in an age of information, ignorance is a choice. and because of technology we have access to so much content and information creates awareness and awareness is consciousness and you can't have consciousness without energy. They work together. So there's an energetic change I think that's taking place in the world right now where people are so informed that old models, old paradigms are beginning to break down whether it's the medical model, the religious model, the education model, journalism, the economy, politics, it's all beginning to come to the surface because something else has to come out. I think that one of the things that people are realizing is that you don't have to be a Buddhist monk to do this or a nun with 40 years of devotion. You just got to understand the formula. Just like any skill or anything you learn, you got to go from thinking to doing to being. you got to take knowledge, you create the experience and if you keep doing it over and over again, you start getting a skill or you start getting wise about how to do it and you know that you know how to do it. Well, in the last 10 years, we have assembled a scientific team and let's see if you can really make significant brain changes. I don't want those changes to just be in your mind. I want them to be in your brain. I want to be able to see before and after pictures to say that person has a significant change after a traumatic brain injury or anxiety or depression or a cyclic mood disorder or a stroke. We want to see that there's been significant change. At the same time, let's measure your brain in real time and let's look to see what that transformation process looks like. And in the discovery Lewis of that process, We gained so much knowledge about what that transformational process looks like. In other words, I can tell you without a doubt that if you're analyzing your life right now within some disturbing emotion, that 100% of the time you're going to make your brain worse.

Think about your life.

If you're stuck in an emotion, like you're frustrated, you're angry, you're fearful, resentful, and your thinking within that emotional state. In other words, you can't think greater than how you feel. That means then you were thinking in the past because those emotions are a record or residue of the past. So we see people in the process of change that are analyzing in duality or polarity. That kind of drives the brain into higher states of arousal and further away from true change. change. So we've done thousands and thousands and thousands of brain scans and we now know that there's a formula to create greater brain coherence, greater brain efficiency, to make your brain work better and when your brain works better, you work better. At the same time, it requires a clear intention and an elevated emotion to begin to change your energy and to change your life. nobody changes until they change their energy, right? So then how do you get a person out of resentment, frustration into joy and freedom? If why would they feel grateful or joyful or free if the experience hasn't happened? So most people are spending the majority of their life waiting for something out there to take away their emptiness or pain or the resentment in here. Well, if they're waiting their whole life in separation or lack, and we create reality, then the lack is driving certain thoughts which is creating more separation and more lack. So teaching people then to begin to condition their body emotionally before the evidence takes place in their life is breaking a significant habit. So instead of living by cause and effect, now we're beginning to cause and effect. So the moment you start feeling whole and grateful, we now know your healing will begin at that moment. The moment you start feeling worthy and abundant, your wealth is coming. You're generating a certain amount of energy, a certain amount of wealth.

How does someone feel worthy though if they've always been told they're not worth it?

Yeah, well, so let me... Or that's.

The story they tell themselves.

Yeah.

I'm not worth it because she didn't say yes when I asked her on a date. Because he broke up with me because I got fired, because my parents left me. how am I worth it? When there's so much evidence or story around a negative thing.

Well, let's stop telling the story of your past and let's start telling the story of your future. And people who aren't defined by a vision of the future for the most part are left with memories of the past. Your brain is a record of the past. It's an artifact of everything you've learned and experienced in this moment. So, most people wake up in the morning and they start thinking about their problems. and those problems are memories that are tattooed in the brain that are associated to certain people and things at certain times and places. So the person wakes up clean slate, they start thinking about the problems they're thinking in the past. If you believe your thoughts have something to do with your destiny, well, there's a possibility that your past is going to be your future. Every one of those problems has an emotion associated with it. So then the moment you start recalling the problem, you start start feeling unhappy, now your body's in the past because thoughts are the language of the brain and feelings are the language of the body and how you think and how you feel creates a state of being. So people reaffirm their identity based on the past, right? And it turns out that the redundancy of doing that, conditioning only requires an image and an emotion. And most people are unconsciously their body into the familiar past, into the known. So now if you're in the familiar past and in the known, you're going to crave the predictable future. That's the known as well. And there's only one place where the unknown exists and that's the eternal present moment. That's the sweet spot of the generous present moment. So you've got to labor to get that person beyond the emotions that keep them tacked or anchored to the past. And yes, it takes an effort to do do that, but if you keep working with the formula, you'll reach that elegant moment where there's a liberation of energy. And now your body as the unconscious mind, the objective mind is not believing it's living in the same past experience 24 hours a day because you're liberating the body from that emotional state. So you ask the person, why are you so unhappy? Why are you so frustrated? Why are you so resentful? The moment you ask that, their brain is going to associate that emotion to a past event.

To a memory.

To a memory. That's because they have nothing to look forward to in their future. So if you're not being defined by a vision of the future, it just means to me that you're more in love with your past than you are with the future. So how do you teach people to believe in a future that they can't see or experience with their senses yet, but they've thought about enough times in their mind that their brain is literally changed to look like the event has already occurred. The latest research in neuroscience says that's absolutely possible. We know that. And how do you teach a person to select a new possibility in their future and begin to emotionally embrace that future before it's made manifest to such a degree that their body is their unconscious mind is believing it's living in that future reality in the present moment and they're signaling new genes and new ways ahead of the environment. Now, to their body begins to change to look like the event has already occurred. We've proven that that's possible. Now think about this.

So the more you think about your desired future, the joy, the gratitude.

The.

Feelings you want to have that are more positive, the more you think about it as a future thing happening, the more your body shifts now.

Exactly, so your body is believing it's living in that future reality in the present moment. Now think about this, the stronger the emotion you feel from some condition in your life, the more altered you feel inside of you, the more you narrow your focus on the cause and the brain freezes an image and takes a snapshot and that memory now is embossed in the brain. It's branded in there. So then people think neurologically within the circuits of those past experiences and they feel chemically within the boundaries of those emotions. And the stronger the betrayal, the stronger the trauma, the more the body's living in the past, right? So then, so how do you reverse that? So now, if you truly got passionate about a future, we've all done this, you get a wild idea in your mind and you start holding on to that vision and you're preoccupied with it, all of a sudden the thought in your mind becomes the experience and you start feeling the the energy of the future. Now, the stronger the emotion you feel from that vision, the more you're going to pay attention to the picture in your mind and now you're remembering your future.

And vice versa, the stronger you pay attention to the feeling of the past.

Pain, you're going to create the pain in this moment. Exactly. So then, so it requires a coherent brain and we now know that there's a formula for that and we've got beautiful research to show that people can do it. They just have to practice. and it requires a coherent heart because resentment, frustration, impatience creates a very incoherent heart. And when that heart becomes incoherent, you stop trusting yourself. There's no energy there. You stop trusting in your future. So then if there's physical evidence in your brain and body, physical evidence to look like the event has already occurred, it's quite possible you'll be thinking neurologically within the circuits of of your future and you'll begin to feel chemically within the boundaries of that emotion of your future and how you think and how you feel as your state of being. And now your state of being is living in the future instead of the past. Now, the moment you disconnect from the emotion of your future because traffic or some co-worker or your ex or whatever people come up with, now you're back to the energy of your past and now you're going to start looking for it, analyzing. Why hasn't it happened? Well, if you're feeling the emotion of your future, why would you look for it? Because you would feel like it already happened. And that is the place where the magic happens. So then you can't just do this, get up and then return back to your old state of being. You got to maintain that modified state.

Of mind and love.

That's practice. Well, let me finish.

If I punch you in the face right now, How do you make?

Well, of course, of course. I mean, we all take blows in our lives and we all react emotionally. But the question is, how long are you gonna react? So then, if you can't mediate and regulate your emotional reactions and those emotions linger for days, that's a mood. Years for some people. Mood and then months, temperament, years, personality trait. So then the person's personality is literally based on the past. But they don't know that because they're doing it over and over again. It becomes a subconscious program. So now, if it requires a coherent brain and a coherent heart, then we have to train people how to self-regulate. So we've done thousands and thousands of measurements. We've partnered with the HeartMath Institute to teach people how to create and sustain heart coherence.

How do we do it? -Well. -Besides going to your workshop, what's the simplified version?

I'm sure it takes more time than... -Well, it really doesn't. It really doesn't. It just requires getting still, closing your eyes, putting your attention on your heart, changing your breath so that you move into the present moment. And when you slow your breathing down, you slow your brain waves down. When you slow your brain waves down, now you're accessing your autonomic nervous system. So then you train a person how to open their heart and feel an elevated emotion. And it takes a little practice. And just like a flower that takes time to bloom, it takes a little bit of time. But if you work in trading the resentment, the frustration or the impatience for gratitude, appreciation and thankfulness, and you keep at it, they'll come a moment where that system switches on. And now you're feeling grateful for no reason at all. That's not a bad thing. thing because gratitude, the emotional signature of gratitude means something's happening to you, something has happened to you, you're receiving something or you just received something. So your body then, when you're feeling gratitude, is in the perfect state of receiving. So then that means then you'll accept, believe and surrender to the thoughts equal to the emotional state of gratitude. If you're living in resentment, you're living in fear, you're living in impatience, you could say, I'm healthy, I'm healthy, I'm healthy, I'm wealthy, I'm wealthy, I'm wealthy, and with all you want, and that.

Thought'S going to stop right at the.

Brainstem and never make its way to the body because the body... You're not feeling or because why? Because you're feeling resentment and that thought isn't... that thought is not consistent with the emotion of resentment. Resentment has a different set of thoughts, right? In other words, once you start opening your heart, it begins to move into coherence, it begins to produce a measurable magnetic field up to three meters wide. Now that's frequency, that's energy, and all that energy, that frequency carries information, carries an intent. So then when you're feeling gratitude and your heart is open, you're broadcasting energy and into the field. Now, a frequency. You lay the intent of the thought of your health or your wealth. That frequency can carry the thought of your wealth. It can carry the thought of your health. If you're suffering, you can't... Suffering does not carry... That energy does not carry the thought of your wealth. It carries a different set of thoughts. So then we're teaching people how to self-regulate. Because if you're going to believe in future that you're imagining with all of your heart, it better be open and activated. And you better know how to self-regulate and you have to know the moment you disconnect from the energy of your future because of some circumstance in your life and you lose that feeling, if you're practicing it on a daily basis with your eyes closed, then the next level is to be able to open your eyes and do it right in the moment and be able to self-regulate and change the the frustration from some experience in your life back to the energy of your future. Now, that requires great awareness and great effort. But if you have a community of people that are practicing this on a daily basis and they're connected to their future because that's where their mind is, they begin to want the future more than the emotions of the past. So we've done enough measurements now, Louis, to know that we can teach people how to do that and we have evidence that people can sustain it for 45 minutes to an hour. It's a skill now. They know that they know how to do it. So now they have brain coherence and heart coherence. Well, once the heart begins to become orderly and coherent, it acts as an amplifier and it drives energy to the brain. So now the brain is getting more energy once the heart is open and then you're thinking a different set of thoughts. and those thoughts produce different chemicals for you to feel more of that. And here comes nitric oxide from oxytocin, and then all of a sudden your heart literally starts to swell. It literally begins to open up. There's more energy going there, and now you're coming from a different level of mind. So then what about what happens to your immune system when you do that? Well, it turns out we've done an experiment. Just 10 minutes a day three times a day with 120 people trading resentment, frustration, fear, for gratitude, appreciation and thankfulness. Measuring their immune response, the chemical immunoglobulin A, your primary defense against bacteria and viruses, the best flu shot you'll ever get lives innately within you. Turns out when you're frustrated, when you're impatient, when you're fearful, the immune system dials down because you're in emergency It's not, all your energy is going for some threat in your outer world, there's no energy in your inner world for growth and repair. But how do you turn that around? So then as people begin to open their heart, can that chemical begin to elevate? Four days, 50% change in the 120 people. Their IGA levels went up 50% in four days. Your body's immune system is now up regulating genes that are making proteins and immunoglobulins and antibodies that you don't need a flu shot. In other words, your inner state is greater than your outer world. So then just by doing that, we now know that your immune system is going to get stronger by the same means. Take 120 people or 50 people and measure 7,500 gene regulations. In four days, two genes that suppress cancer growth and tumors are activated and upregulated. The genes that stimulate stem cells to go to damaged tissues and repair them, upregulated. The gene for oxidative balance is upregulated, anti-cancer, anti-aging, anti-heart disease, anti-stroke, anti-neurodegenerative, anti-inflammatory, anti-microbial. Your body's naturally doing this. The gene for neurogenesis, the growth of new neurons in response to novel experiences and learning. This is four days, the gene switches on. The gene for more balance in the pituitary and the pancreas, the gene for the microtubules of the cells, the little fibers that respond to energy and frequency. So in four days we now know that you can change your genetic destiny if you just practice the inner work. We have research to show that 60 days of meditation, five days a week will lengthen your life. The telomeres, the little shoestrings on the end of your DNA, get longer. That means your biological age is changing. So we have the evidence now to show people what's possible. We have brain scans that are so outside of normal that when normal scientists see them, they're blown away because the amount of energy that's in the brain during this transcendental moment is hundreds of times outside of normal. I mean, you can't make your brain do that. Something is happening to you and that person's having a transcendental moment. We now know that we can predict it and we now know that we can induce it. So then there's the evidence there. Then you take our community and you see people with stage four cancer, with Parkinson's disease, with Myasthenia Gravis, with lupus, with MS, with brain injuries, with rare genetic disorders, with vertigo, tinnitus, kidney failure, all kinds of health conditions come to a week-long event and then at the end of that event they make significant strides in getting beyond the emotions of the past. Now think about this. The science says that the environment signals the gene, that's epigenetics. The end product of an experience and the environment is an emotion. So as long as you're living by the same emotion every single day, you're signaling the same gene in the same way. And if that gene is related to a survival emotion, a stress hormone, then you're down regulating the gene and you're creating disease. So when the person trades that emotion and really breaks free from the chains of their past. And now they're feeling an elevated emotion. Well, now they're dialing down the gene for MS and they're up regulating the gene for health and balance. And so the person will, you'll say to them, where's the disease? Well, I'm not the same person. I'm not this. And the side effect of that is a transformation in healing. So. The funny thing about it is the person who has the healing is not talking about the healing, whether it's blind people seeing, deaf people hearing, we have crazy evidence now. What they're talking about is how amazing they feel because they're refreshed. They've got a new lease on life. And so now we have evidence in our research and that silences the critic to show that what's possible for people. And now we have evidence and testimony that we have evidence where people will stand on the stage and say, hey, I broke my back in three places. I haven't been able to stand up straight. I came into this event hunched over. I couldn't lay down. Now this guy's jumping around on the stage. He's laying on his back. He's touching his toes. He's. He's. You can tell. I mean, this is. He's. He's having this moment. We freed. We changed somebody. Someone with Parkinson's disease can't swallow, can't chew, can't blow her nose, can't stand up. One moment, one moment, the next thing you know, she's blowing her nose, chewing and swallowing. We changed her body, we changed her life, and we changed her future. And she doesn't look like a movie star, and she doesn't look like she's a vegetarian, and she doesn't look like she's buffed, she just looks like a normal person. Now the person in the audience who's watching that and looking at this person and seeing that they're no different than them. It just starts to cause them to think if someone else can do it, I can do it. So you see the person with the stage four cancer that got the, you know, the voodoo curse that they have three months to live. And now they have no evidence of cancer in their body, and they're standing on the stage telling that story, and somebody in the audience is checking her out, going, I have the same condition, and if she could do it, I'm gonna step right in that footprint, I'm gonna do it the way she did it, and all of a sudden you start seeing this change in the community in a week-long event because once there's a breakthrough, right? I mean, it's like a four-minute mile. It's in the field, you know? But it's not only in the field, you're seeing evidence in three-dimensional reality. And evidence is the loudest voice right now. And so people don't want to see talking heads, anybody can see on the internet, information is readily available. What they want to see is evidence. And so when you have evidence in the scientific realm and then you have evidence in a community of people, and you're not doing anything that's so extreme that excludes anybody, it's inclusive. And we're using science as the contemporary language of mysticism. It is science that's going to demystify the mystical. If I talk tradition, culture, religion, any of those things, spiritual principles, people are going to shut off. You're going to divide an audience. But science creates community. So by building a scientific model, I don't subscribe to any type of meditation because I look at the evidence of what we've gathered in let's see by applying this formula to what extent can we prove to human beings how powerful they really are? And I think that that has become something that has mystified me because when I see blind people seeing in our workshops, I have to tell you that I'm more surprised than anybody. I'm standing up there shaking my head and we have great evidence. One woman was a nurse. and one day she just wakes up and she's got a blind spot in her eye. She can't see in the lower left-hand quadrant of both eyes, 6 o'clock to 9 o'clock. She's a nurse, she goes to see her colleagues, they do a scan, stroke on the optic nerve, and now she's legally blind. She can't drive her car, car, she runs her own company, she can't run a company, she can't type, she can't use the computer, she's compromised in a big way. Now with a stroke, you have two weeks really, that's the window, and if nerve cells are going to come back online, it's going to be those first two weeks. If they don't come back, the prognosis is live with it. Whether you have paralysis or whatever, that if a stroke causes brain damage and usually two to three weeks, you don't see any much change. So they gave her the, you know, the prognosis. You have to learn to accommodate and live with it. And so she, she, she wasn't satisfied with that answer. And she goes to one of her dear friends who's a physician, and the physician says, go check out the Spenza guy. And she says, why don't you come with me? So they come to our event in Brighton in, in the UK.

Was it within the two weeks or was this later? Do you know?

Oh, no, this is. year later. Wow. This is a year later.

And so it's supposed to be irreversible at that point.

And so she comes to the event and then she comes to the event for two reasons. To listen to this, to learn how to live with her handicap. That's the extent of what's possible. And have more peace. Yeah. And then create a non-profit to help people. Those were her two things. So somewhere in the middle of the event, or it occurs to her that she could actually possibly heal her eyes. So she goes for it. She lays down after one of the meditations we lay down at the end and all of a sudden in her head she starts feeling this heat and this crackling sensation. Now, you have one of two options when something like this happens.

You get scared.

It's the unknown. You contract. Your brain goes into high beta and you disconnect.

Something's wrong, I'm hurting something.

I'm having another stroke, whatever. Or you surrender and relax into it.

Yeah, you go in.

And she let go and she had the most incredible experience. She laid there for the longest time, opened her eyes and she said it was like the lights came back on. She said I could see completely. We sent her for a scan. The Monday morning after that week-long event, the scan that had the the left lower quadrant on both eyes from 6 o'clock to 9 o'clock was black. The post scan, there isn't one black spot anywhere on her eyes. Wow.

Because she had already done a scan a year prior.

Yeah, yeah, she had the scan. So we'll give you the evidence. But that is not natural. Wow. That's not normal. But how do you explain that in conventional science? The truth is, is that we have incredibly powerful innate qualities for regeneration and healing once you hit that button. So then she stands in the audience and gives her testimony. Other people are going to begin to realize that they can heal from a stroke, and that's exactly what's happening. A collective consciousness is happening. We're uncovering some really powerful truths for people to really embrace. I keep telling the scientists, I can't believe this is the truth. I tell them that, like, I can't believe this is the truth. We have the evidence right there that you could make your brain work better in four days. You can make your heart work better in four days. You can make your immune system 50% stronger in four days. You could regulate eight different genes in four days that are all promoting neurogenesis and stem cell production and and oxidative balance, all kinds of wonderful things, cellular structures enhanced. All of this stuff is really cool because if you don't know that that's.

Possible.

Then it doesn't exist for you. If you're unconscious to the fact that you could heal yourself, you'll make the same choices you always do. So, I'm challenged in my own way at a different level to do my best to do the right, make the right choices all the time. And sometimes those choices, I can't rely on anybody else but me to make those choices because nobody else knows what it's like to be me than me. Even my closest friends think they know me, but when it comes down to making the choice, It's a lonely moment, right? Because I'm doing my best to try to preserve this work and to inspire people to apply it in their lives as many ways as I can. So a lot of times I get discouraged like, oh my God, another challenge, another challenge. But I think when I'm truly in the right zone, I think the only way that we actually can grow in our lives is to be challenged, right? So I think that the greater the greater we evolve or the greater we become, I think the greater the challenges. So I have my own set of challenges that I have to really retreat from my life. I've spent a lot of time alone and I remember that vision and I have to get beyond all those other things that say, wow, my God, this might be a good time for you to quit. Really? Or this is a good time for you to say, wow, this is getting pretty intense.

What would you say is the biggest challenge? Is it the internal conversation about just...

No, it's just a lot of moving parts. We have a big team. We run events for thousands of people. We have staff, we have volunteers, we have scientists, we have papers. I mean, we have growth, we have websites, social media, we have...

It's just a lot of moving parts.

Yeah, a lot of moving parts. And so, I think for me personally, I guess I could say this is that what I love to do more than anything else is to create. The meditations that I develop and the things that I think about in the music that we work on creating, all that stuff, we've got to create science. I know now what music works. I know what words work. I know the rhythm. I know the cadence. I know the mathematics of music that works really well. That stuff is the fun. stuff. That's where I want to be in the studio and with the sound and making the right meditations for people to. But I'm running, you know, I'm running a lot. I'm doing a lot of things over here. So the balance in my life to be able to make time for myself and the people that I love and keep that private and keep that special and at the same time interface with the world and provide them the tools to make measurable changes in their lives. You come up against a lot of challenges in that process.

What do you think will be the biggest challenge you face over the next few years? Either personally, professionally, spiritually.

Physically. I think. Yeah, no, I just really just think it's my balance. I mean, we run a week-long event.

Once a month.

Yeah, but we're going six, five in the morning till till seven, eight at night. But it doesn't matter to me because that's the easy part. Being in an event is like a spiritual rave. I mean, our events are like nothing you'll ever see.

I've had so many people go, that listen to our interviews, and they go, and they're just like, it's incredible you have to come.

So this year, you're not allowed to come.

I'm sneaking in, I'm breaking through security. You can't tell me anything.

Disguising myself. But I mean, I have a lot of challenges. I have a lot of challenges just like anybody. I'm no different than you. I react, of course, and the question I have for myself is how long are you going to do that for? How long are you going to keep that up? Well, you know better. So defaulting and remembering, I think, is such a great thing for us to do. So I work on that.

So you might default to a reaction for you give yourself what, an hour or two hours?

No, well, I try. you know, I try to keep it under 10-15 minutes. Well, of course, sometimes it's easier than others, just like anything else.

What's the biggest trigger for you? I'm curious. What's the thing that gives you a default reaction that you're like, I know I need to improve that.

I think the thing that I care the most about is really just keeping this work as pure as possible. I think I care a lot about that.

Do people try to not try to muck it up or something?

Well, there's always There's always variations of it, you know? So, I guess if I was really honest, I would want to say that I would want to keep it as pure as possible. That's what I work on.

How do you keep it pure? What's pure mean?

Well, just in its original version, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Your morning and evening meditation is incredible.

I don't know if people- well, that's a great example of metacognition. That's a great example of reminding yourself of who you want to be and who you no longer want to be. And then check in at the end of the day, you say, I had a whole lifetime today. How'd I do?

Incredible.

Yeah.

In your evening meditation, I listen in the morning one and the evening often. And the evening one, you have this thing where it's like, how did I show up? Did I show up as my best version of myself? And did I do things I said I was going to do? And it's a beautiful reminder to have having accountability.

Accountability is one of the three things that creates excellence. Accountability is basically owning what you say you're going to do or what you're asked to do. The other element of course is competence. You've got to be really good at it. If it takes you your whole life to get good at it, get good at it. If you have a vision or a mission that's bigger than you and you put those three things together, you have a lot of excellence in an individual.

Vision bigger than you.

You've got to be able to master your craft. you gotta, you gotta be really accountable and responsible for yourself. You gotta own yourself and you gotta have that vision and you gotta keep that vision alive. And that's heading in a vision. Purpose mission is ongoing. You could have a mission to be healthy. You could have a mission to be wealthy. You could have a mission. You could have a purpose to be, you know, to gain knowledge. There's never an end, right? So it's a direction. The goals we set up along the line of our vision is just to remind us that we're still on of course, right? And if we're not arriving at those goals, then we've lost our vision.

Do you feel like each individual should have a vision statement for their personal or professional life? Or just have an idea of a.

Vision in your mind? No, I think it's really important for us to be curious. I mean, I'm the best when I wonder. Like I say, I always say, Joe Dispenza, what do you know? Sit down, don't turn your phone on, shut it off. Answer the question. What do you know? Like, what do you really believe you create reality at what point do you stop believing? that, you know? I mean, I really, I want to know, I want to think that through all the way because I think the more we understand what we're doing and why we're doing it, I think the how gets easier, right? So I spend a lot of time reviewing knowledge and information and thinking about ways to teach it better or easier for people that make it more practical or simple. I can tell you there's such a quickening going on in our culture right now. People are so ready to really embrace this information. They've had it doing another way in other ways. And so taking that time to really think and contemplate is such an important process because when it gets stale and it gets routine and it gets boring, you just forgot what you were doing and why you're doing it. And sign it back up and relearn it. You get down to the basics again.

What was the biggest discovery you found in the last last five to ten years based on practicing, trying, learning, research. What was the thing that was like, wow, this is a new thing or a thing I thought that was gonna work and it's actually working?

Yeah. Wow. I don't know if we have enough time for that, but we have the research that we're doing right now, Louis. I'll give you an example, like a drug study. You know, when you do a drug study, it's about 18-25% correlative cause and effect, right? Our studies are 75% cause and effect. There's no pharmaceutical that looks anything like our studies. And the amount of wonderful metabolites that are being created in people's bodies.

What is a metabolite?

It's like a cell is releasing information. What is the information? The cell is saying, I'm in growth or I'm in trouble, I'm in emergency, I'm in disease, right? So, in seven days at a week-long event, we discovered that people make thousands of different metabolites to show that their body is in a very different environment, very healthy environment.

Then when they walked in.

From the beginning. Yeah, and then they walked dramatic changes. And I keep saying to the scientists, where are those chemicals coming from?

Where are they coming from?

They're certainly not coming from some pill that you're taking. It's coming from within us. Our nervous system is the greatest pharmacy in the world. I mean, you take blood from an advanced meditator that hits a certain brainwave state. We capture that moment of connection. There's information in their blood that causes them to be immune to viruses, any virus, you take the blood of the advanced meditator and you subject it to a uterine cancer cell and 70% of the energy is diminished in the cancer cell. Lights are out. That shuts it down. What do cancer cells want to do? They want to move and they want to multiply. So if you take away energy, they can't move, they can't multiply. It's exactly what we're seeing in our testimonials. You take the blood of an advanced meditator and you're subject to a neuron. It down-regulates the gene for Alzheimer's. There's wholeness. There's information in the chemistry of their blood that's not coming from anywhere out there. Their eyes are closed. The music's playing in the background. They're not eating. They're not sitting. They're sitting still.

They're not being massaged. They're not having liquid Right, they're not.

Sending injections, no IVs, no. They're making strong compounds in their body.

From within.

From within.

Is that from thought into brain, into heart, body?

How does that... No, back to our original conversation about putting our attention on matter and putting our attention on energy. Well, a quantum field, right, is, you know, you look at reality, it's a particle in the wave, right? particle is matter, the wave is energy. Okay, so it's a scientific fact that we perceive less than 1% of reality. As a matter of fact, the mathematics say it's 100% that we perceive less than 1% of reality. So don't exclude yourself from that as well. So we're missing out on a lot, right?

So our perceptions, our faculties, are only perceiving 1% of what's actually real.

That's exactly right. Yeah, it's amazing.

So our sight, our taste, our smell, our hearing, our touch, only 1% of our reality of what's actually.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. So we're missing out on a lot.

So even if we could get to 2% or 3%, it'd be a whole new world.

Called enlightenment. So then what we teach people to do is take their attention off the particle, off matter, and put it on energy. And you can experience that energy with your senses. so you're gonna experience it with your awareness. Okay, so what happens? Okay, person changes their brain waves from high beta, that aroused state we talked about earlier, they start sensing space, their brain waves slow down to alpha. Why? Because when you're sensing, you're not analyzing and thinking. If you're not analyzing and thinking, you're not in beta. So you start dropping down and the brain switches to alpha. And in alpha, your inner world tends to be more real than your outer world. Alpha is a creative state. In beta, the voice in your head is always talking to you. Do this, do that. That's default. In alpha, the voice goes away and you see more in images and pictures. You're dreaming. You're remembering stuff and it's more imagery. It's an imaginary state. When we see people move into that state, they don't just move into any kind of alpha. They move into that coherent alpha. Now the whole brain is in cadence. It's sending out very strong signals, right? If you can get a person dialed down into theta where they're completely relaxed, the body is so relaxed that it's resting in a light sleep. Yes. And they're still awake and they're conscious. The door between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind is wide open to information. In fact, theta is a hypnotic state. So when you're being hypnotized, you're suggestible to whatever somebody's telling you. right? But if you're in a meditation and you're suggestible to information but your eyes are closed, there's music playing in the background, you're disconnected from your environment, there's only one other place information can come from and that's frequency. Frequency carries information. Wi-Fi signals, radio waves, TV waves, they're all carrying information and that antenna decodes it.

Okay. Which is kind of crazy when you think about it. You know, 10 years ago, if you'd have said, hey, you're gonna have a a physical device and you can see someone in across the world. We'd have been like, what?

How is this even possible? So Star Trek, right?

It's crazy, right?

So that's exactly what the brain does. It transduces frequency into very profound experiences internally. And when that happens, the person is suggestible to information. The more coherent their brain and heart is, the more there's a resonance between the unified field, which is an orderly field, there's order, and the order in their brain and the brain can decode frequency, and all of a sudden the person goes into these brilliant, brilliant states of high gamma, not a little gamma, not a lot of gamma.

What happens when we're in a high state of gamma?

They're in a very aroused state. They're seriously aroused. No, the arousal is not fear, the arousal is not pain, and the arousal is not aggression. the arousal is ecstasy. The person is feeling a very familiar, unfamiliar feeling where they feel like they forgot something that they knew all their entire life. They start connecting to energy and there's no word. People say bliss, ecstasy, more love than I could ever explain. I'm so grateful. Ascension, whatever that is. And we actually can induce that state, we can predict it and we can replicate it. And the scans look exactly the same. And it's not the thinking brain that is in that aroused state. The lights are out there. They're in theta, they're in shut down. It's the limbic brain, the seat of the autonomic nervous system that's sending such fast, coherent information to every single cell in the body. And it's energy that's touching the cell and the person feels like they're electric. They feel like there's an awakening that takes place. Now, what comes with that? many times is a biological upgrade. Energy starts to inform matter. There's a tumor, now it's gone. There's the Parkinson's, now it's gone. There's the eczema, now it's gone.

You see this all the time.

Yeah, it's kind of wild. Yeah, yeah. So what we're doing is we're drawing the blood from people that have that experience right after they have that experience. Really? And 24 hours later, and we're finding the most incredible incredible things in that blood. That's what I keep saying. Where is that, where is that, where's that, all those chemicals coming from? Where are all those, it's happening from a medicine. It's so cool. It's coming from within us, right? So, the data that we have, we did the largest microbiome study in the world, actually. We did a thousand people and we had measured human microbiome. There's more cells that that live in your body than the cells that make up your body and they have dramatic influences on so many different functions in our body. And in just our preliminary studies, we saw the microbiome that's associated with cancer growth dramatically reduced. We saw the microbiome that's associated with inflammation dramatically reduced. We found the microbiome that causes a person to be resistant from treatment for cancer, significantly reduced. Like you're just finding all this crazy stuff.

When these scientists are seeing this data that they're working with the people that come into your events and they're seeing this massive reduction.

They were all skeptics, by the way. Yeah.

And what do they say when they see the results? Okay.

Are they like-- no, no, no. In the beginning, they were running the tests. the same tests over and over again expecting to get a different result. And I said to them, you,'re changing your belief. You're doing that right now. You're changing a belief right now. They're looking and seeing, oh my god, cells are not behaving the way they should in this plasma.

Let's run it again.

Let's run it again. Let's do it another way. Let's do it and they tried all different ways and they're like, oh my god, this this is incredible. We've never seen anything like this before. Again, why is that important? The testimony of the person who stands on the stage and says, I didn't have $2 to rub together and now I'm worth hundreds of millions of dollars. The person who says I was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer, it was in my bones, it was in my liver, it was in my lungs, it was in my pelvic organs. This is not a drop of cancer in her blood. And this happens all the time. It's the four-minute mile. It's the person in the audience who's looking at truth. That person's the example of truth. Truth is right in front of them and the story is not glamorous. They got worse before they got better. They lost things. The doctors told them they were going to die. I mean, they had every reason they gave up on themselves. And, man, when you hear those stories, I mean, the whole audience is in tears. Invariably, somebody in the room is looking at them and saying, if he can do it, I can do it.

Yes.

Invariably, when we put up that data, the scientists put it up, I always say, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying this. The data is saying that. People see that data, they're so encouraged. It's the truth. That's the truth. Like, wow, we are greater than we think. We're more powerful than we know. We're more unlimited than we could ever dream, right? And we're just starting to push that envelope a little bit. And we have never been disappointed. We do these experiments with random event generators, right?

With what?

A random event generator.

Random event generator.

Like, so it's a sophisticated coin toss. And you toss a coin, you keep tossing it, The more you toss it, the more it's going to be 50-50. 50% heads, 50% tails. The more you toss it, it's going to be the 50% average. So this programmed machine flips a coin a thousand times in one second. We get a collective network of observers, a collective consciousness of people that are all resonating at the same frequency. We teach them how to do that. And the moment they go into a certain state, Random events are no longer random and they become very intentional. In other words, they're influencing a machine that's programmed to go 50-50 to behave in a very different way. Their energy is somehow altering the mechanism of a machine over and over again. So then, okay, so something's happening where random events are no longer random. They're becoming more intentional and the collective network of observers that have brain and heart coherence somehow can produce measurable effects in reality. Okay, so then we said, that it happened every time. Let's take cells and let's program these bacterial cells to either make a red protein or a green protein. And it's a 50-50 shot too. And of course, if you look at a colony of bacteria, you see this kind of brownish color. And if you get really close, there's red ones and there's green ones. and it's usually 50-50. You get a whole group of people together and I tell them to focus on green. And all of a sudden the colony of cells switch over to... Come on. Wow. So again, if you don't know that that's possible... You'd be skeptical. You'd be skeptical, but the scientists are scratching their heads saying, we're up all night trying to figure this stuff out.

What are they saying is the cause of it?

There has to be some quantum entanglement, so we're bringing in Quantum, quantum theorists, theoretical physicists, information physicists. We have just all kinds of different, we're doing functional MRIs now, looking at brains. We can actually study brains when people are walking now. I mean, we're just trying to piece together what exactly it is. And so, to me, that's a good reason to get up in the morning.

To me, it's- Learning and discovering and.

Creating and Every time we do an experiment, every time we do an experiment, we're never disappointed. And the cool thing about it, more than anything else for me, is that you don't have to be a Buddhist monk. You don't have to have 40 years of devotion. You don't have to... In fact, it's better off that you don't. A lot of guys that come that their girlfriends or their wives bring them, they're just like, Hey, dude, listen, I have no idea. anything about this. Those are the guys that do the best. Kind of forced to come here. No, they come there like, I don't know anything. Just tell me what to do. They do exactly what we tell them to do. We had some really, really elite forces, you know, come recently that, you know, that those guys had some rough roads, you know, with trauma and stuff. Yeah. Completely different guys. Completely different guys. I mean, completely different.

Let's say you make a million dollars in your business, but then you invested a lot in the stock market or whatever, and then half of it goes away overnight.

Who doesn't have that happen? Every abundant person has that happen. And their response is minimal.

So, what should people be thinking when they lose a lot of money or they lose something?

Don't lose the lesson. You may lose the money, but don't lose the lesson.

Should people feel this emotional attachment to the money lost?

Why? What is What is money? I mean, what is that? What people really want? It's like people say to me, oh, I have this great idea for this new business and I need money. And I say, you don't need money. You need opportunity. You need opportunity, but tune in to some opportunities. So it's the framing of how limited we think that we have to get things through money. It just is not the way it is. So the fundamental importance about all of this is I really don't care if people want to be abundant, I don't care if they want to heal, I don't care if they want to have a mystical, I don't care what when I travel the world doesn't matter to me. I just want them to be in the experiment. The experiment of actually trying it out and seeing God if I really change my energy, well could I actually have an effect that's produced in my life? And if I'm waiting for the event to occur, I'm back to to the illusion of separation and lack, waiting for it to happen to take it away from truly a creator.

So let's say, let's say they're not waiting. What should they do instead of waiting? Keep feeling the feeling in the present moment and trust.

If you're waiting, you're not creating. I mean, that's just the way it is. So wake up every day. How bad do you want it? How bad do you want your dream? It's so much easier to forget that vision than to remember it, right? So if you're going to remember it, you've got to keep it alive in your mind. How do you keep it alive in your mind? You disconnect from your environment. You close your eyes, you play music in the background. You sit your body down and it's got to pee and it's got to eat and it's got to... Well, you just sit down for a few minutes like training a dog. Like stay. When I say it's time to get up, we get up. Don't be thinking about what's going to happen in your day. You already know what's going to happen. Don't think what happened yesterday. You already know that. Get in the present moment and say, who do I want to be when I open my eyes? Who do I want to be today? What would greatness look like? How would I, how would one day, one shot, one lifetime, what would an abundant person do? Let me rehearse that with my eyes closed. Let me remind myself who I don't want to be. Let me remind myself of who do I want to be. Let's not get up, Louis.

Until we get into that.

Until we are, until we are, the tennis ball hits the sweet spot. When you go, oh, I'm ready for this. day now. Now, game on. Now, if you can maintain that modified state of mind and body the entire day without defaulting by seeing someone or doing something, stay in that state, the experiment still continues. And you're changing your energy. Doesn't happen in two days. You're not that good. That's it. You're not that good.

We keep practicing.

People who show up for the 21 weeks in a row, this woman, 21 weeks in a row, the end of 21 weeks, she knew it. Boom! Her whole life changed. Boom! Was it 21 days worth? Ask her. The experiment, she was just changing the process. People who diagnosed with really serious health conditions and they start doing the meditations and they realize, wow, God, my body feels better, my pain feels better, but my values, my scans are still showing the disease exists. All right, does it mean that it doesn't work? No. Does it mean it doesn't work? It means like, what am I doing the other 15 hours of the day? Oh my God, I'm in lack, I'm in fear, I'm responding to the same people in the same ways. And again, think about this. As long as your response to everything in your life is the same, you're not changing. So change your response to things in your life and you're in the process of change. So then now I gotta get good with my eyes open. Now I gotta be able to rehearse, oh my God, I fell from grace. At that moment in my day, oh my God, I defaulted back to the old self.

I went back to myself.

All right, no, it's not only forgive yourself, there's a forgiving process like shoot, but if you're truly playing the game, who cares, right? You just go, oh God, let me brush myself off. Keep that back in my heart here, let me get back in that place. Remember, let me get back in this energy, and let's try it again. Let's try it again. Yes. And let's just keep the experiment going. Now, does that mean you have to be irresponsible? No, you still have to navigate with ethics and morality. You still have to have personal conviction. You still have to have a vision that's bigger than you and somehow that motivates you because not only are you doing it for selfish reasons but to contribute to others in some way. Of course there's going to be recognition and popularity and aggrandizement that goes with it. Money should be the side effect of all that. The game should be so good. of your vision, like that vision of the future you have to keep alive in your mind.

That should be the game. The ones that can keep that vision of the future in their mind now.

Exactly.

And have a personality.

Even if your reality is falling apart, and that's happened to a lot of people, I mean there are people that have come through our work living in the back of their car, and now they're, you know, living very well or bankrupt. and now their companies are just thriving. They just never stopped believing in themselves. Because if you believe in yourself, it means you have to believe in possibility. And if you believe in possibility, you're going to have to believe in yourself. And so something really cool happens when you do this that I just discovered recently, just watching people at our week-long events. You know, because you've got to go all in. You've got to go all in. And it's seven days and it's a lot and it's super intense and there's times where you don't want to show up because I'm pushing people across the river of change. There comes a moment where people keep showing up for themselves. They keep showing up for themselves in spite of the weather, in spite of their foot hurting, in spite of their bad dream, in spite of whatever, their fight with or whoever, they keep showing up. they get really worthy to receive. They feel really worthy, like I am worthy to receive this gift. And the universe only gives us what we think we're worthy of receiving. So we got to get to that point because so many people who are in lack somehow don't feel worthy. So the abundance then becomes the sign that you finally become worthy. And for the soul, it's not about the abundance. It's about mastering your worthiness. And the reflection is the things that you accumulate.

What's the strategy to start believing we're worthy of receiving now?

Fill your brain with as much knowledge as possible. And listen, my dad used to say this to me all the time. he'd say, wait a second, wait a second, just sit down with me here. If anybody else can do it, you could do it also. Well, let's just start there. So how did these people do it? Like let's look at what they did. All right, let's study, this is a school of greatness. Let's study greatness. What is greatness? Like an uncompromising will, invincibility, lead with their heart, adapt and make changes, let go of the past, give life, live it fully and completely and embrace it and enjoy it. I don't know. Whatever, you get to write the script. You tell the story of your future instead of telling the story of your past. Watch what my gosh.

So how do we, should we be speaking to others about our future or should we be more keeping that to our mind and our bodies and kind of speaking it to ourselves? What happens when you say, I'm going to do this and I'm going to do this.

Yeah.

This is my future. Does that actually help us?

Yeah. so I really don't leak it out. I never leak it out. Because if I'm working on something, I hold it, right? I don't want to, I don't, when it, when I know it's going to happen, that's when I'll say, Hey, you.

Guys, you're not gonna believe this, right?

So it's more to yourself. Right, listen, you know when you know and you're changing, when you stop talking about it. That's when you know you're changing. Because you're out, you're out of the bleachers and you're on the playing field. Look, look, so many people come to our work, Louis, and they say, I always believed that this was possible. All this information seems I've seen people heal them, some people create. Well, I get it. I just didn't believe it would work for me. Oh, it's a big moment. It's a big moment. Now you are on the game. You're in the playing field. You're out of the bleachers. We had people stand on the stage. Someone stood on the stage this weekend in Denver. Just said, my God, I I really believe that this would work. I just didn't believe I could heal. I didn't believe. I really didn't believe it. I really didn't believe. She was a physician. It's a physician. I really didn't believe I could heal. Now, is it about the healing anymore? It's about overcoming the belief. Every day she's got to make that decision. with such firm intention that the amplitude of that decision is causing her body to respond to her mind. And that's the moment she's rewriting the belief. And if she doesn't feel like it, don't expect anything to occur in your life. You got to come out of your resting state. You got to make that choice.

What are you... For all the people that go to your events and just in life, one of the biggest challenges people have is the consistency of doing these things.

Yes.

It's hard to actually go and try it once.

No, but here's the deal. Here's the deal. Here's the deal. Let's just say you're in the experiment and now that belief is right in your face. I guarantee you that discomfort from that belief being right in your face is going to get you out of bed in the morning and you're going to face off with it. There's an innate capacity that we have as human beings to want to overcome our limitations. It's in there, right? So the community that we have that does this work, they're not like, oh, God, I gotta go create today. That's not their game. The magic is so good, they show up because they don't want the magic to end.

To go away, yeah.

They're not doing it as a have to, to please God, do the right thing, be spiritual. None of that. It's not an obligation. It's something that they actually look forward to doing because the experiment in their life is creating all these wonderful opportunities. And there's plenty of people in our work that started new businesses that are jamming. They're jamming. They're jamming and they would never be victim to those circumstances. They just wouldn't let them, those circumstances define them. What defined them was the vision of the future. And that vision they had to keep alive. And the emotion was the energy that drove them right to it.

Let's talk about a practical scenario where someone's in a relationship 5, 10, 20 years, married or not married, and both parties have a pattern of defensiveness, of passive aggressiveness, of reacting when they don't like something, and then one person starts to transform, or they do your work or they do meditation work and they really start to connect to their heart and their mind and they start healing the trauma of the past and the other person hasn't caught up yet. How does someone either inspire the other person to come on this train with them and elevate their thoughts or if they are unwilling to, is there a way to be in a happy relationship if your partner is still in reaction mode more than you.

Wow. Well, again, speaking from my present state of ignorance, because I'm on a journey also. I will tell you this, that one of the things that happens when people start to come across information and knowledge that's really valuable, they want to share it with the person next to them or share it with their lover, whatever. But if they're in a relationship, for 15 years and they have a lot of emotional agreements with people and things and they're in a lot of habits, we only accept, believe and surrender to information that's equal to our emotional state. So sometimes it bounces off the person and if the person is really enthusiastic, then they're really like, whoa, what is up? You're changing in front of my eyes. I don't like you this way. We had a thing going here. you could pick apart anybody or anything. Now you're not showing up equal to my memory. You're unpredictable. You're in the unknown. You're unsafe. Yeah, the unknown is unsafe, right? So a lot of times the enthusiasm is the first thing that starts creating disconnection. But if the person goes, that's amazing. That's really cool. Say it again. Like they're ready to hear the information. Those people are going to evolve together, right? If the person just kind of looks and says, oh my God, my wife's on the Kool-Aid or whatever it is. This person is, you know, they changed their medication, I don't know what's happening with them. Then that person that is trying to explain it philosophically is just looking for someone to exchange information with. That person may not be the person. He may just like Sunday football games and Monday night football and hanging out and drinking beer. and they fell in love when they were the same, right? So now the next step is to find the person that you can exchange that information with because you want to understand it better so you can begin to use it. Now, you have to stop preaching to that person. That's the first thing you have to do. In other words, show up happy, show up transformed, be the example and then one of two things will happen. I tell my kids this all the time. If you're happy, then that person is going to want to get some of that and they're gonna ask you, alright, so what the hell are you doing? Like all of a sudden you're like happy. They're either gonna go, I want some of that and they're gonna evolve together. Now, if they don't, and then you come down here and compromise yourself to meet them on that level, They're gonna take some of your energy and you're gonna be like, who am I?

Resentful, angry, all these things.

You didn't respond the way I wanted to. Now we're angry and we're back down here, right? But if you stay happy and they come up and they meet you there, then you're still happy. If you don't come down and you stay happy and they stay there and they move away, guess what?

You stay happy.

You're still happy. So then people in relationships will compromise themselves out of out of obligation, out of necessity, out of obedience, out of programs, and at the end of the relationship, they don't even remember who they are because they compromised who or so many aspects of themselves.

That's why you hear in a lot of people when they go through a breakup, they're like, oh, I lost myself in this relationship. Because I'm refining myself.

They were changing in a way that kept the relationship safe.

Why do so many relationships do this?

In general, because nobody wants to tell the truth. If you sat down and said, let's get vulnerable. Let's sit down. Let's open our hearts. I have a bottle of wine. Let's get vulnerable. Hey, I'm this. How are you doing? What's really going on in there? Are you happy? And then be an adult. You're unhappy. I'm unhappy too. You want to try to stick this out? All right. Well, if I were to say, if I could get in my heart and I was looking at myself, These are the things that make me unhappy with me and that I want to change. It's not with you, it's me, what I want to change. And the other person said, listen, I'm stuck. I'm stuck too. I don't know how to change. I'm doing this, I'm drinking more or whatever, I gotta stop. And it's important enough for me. This relationship is important enough for me that I'm willing to make the change and let's figure out how to do it together. That to me, Or I've done this, hey, I can't feel it anymore. I can't feel that feeling anymore. I think it's time to move on. I love you, but I've changed and I still love you, but I gotta go. I mean, it's just different. We don't have the same interests anymore. We've grown in different directions and out of respect, let's do that together, right? So those relationships still stay fertile. They're still wonderful. You keep them alive, but they've transformed into something else. It's the not telling the truth about how you really feel because it would make you vulnerable, and that means someone one-ups you, or you may get shocked or rejected in some way.

I think the place in my life right now, I'm 37, the thing in my life in the relationship I'm in now, I'll tell my girlfriend often, I'm like, I'm so grateful that we're on this journey together. And there's cultural differences. You've been with a Latin woman in the past. There's cultural differences, there's language differences, there's understanding, belief differences, all these things. The thing that I tell her is like, Listen, I want to be with you for as long as we can be together. That's our lives. Great. I'm committed to you. But I'm also committed to myself. and if we're not able to line up consistently over time, and if it's we're both suffering and we're unable to make it work, it's okay. We can break up. It's okay. And this is the first time I've been in a place where I'm okay with her and okay not with her.

Yeah. And she's healthy as well. Yeah.

And so we were able to talk about these things from a healthy space, not needing it to work out.

Right.

Because we're not lacking.

Right. Because, of course, because you're. You feel differently. You're using love. Look, the truth is, if you truly are love, then you will be challenged always to a greater level of love. And I have had enough mystical experiences where I thought, you, just can't have any more love than this. Until I had another experience and I'm like, wow, there's even more. So in love, in a loving relationship, I have three children and I only want the best for them. That's it. So if you truly love someone and you want the best for them and they need to go, you gotta love them. Just as long as they got that kind of clear agreement with each other, like, I'm gonna go. I just gotta go. And yeah, it's gonna hurt, but if there's truly love, you would want that for that person, their best, right? so then it's not something that we do that is a recipe. It's trial and error. And I think the number one thing that I've learned over the years in any relationship, it's about awareness. It's about who am I being in this moment? How conscious can I stay? How am I speaking? How am I acting? What is the tone of my voice? How much more can I give? How can I forgive? if I'm having problems forgiving somebody, I would think about something that I may have done in my life that I would want forgiveness for, and I would think about how I want to be forgiven, and I would forgive that person in the same way that I would be forgiving myself. And in a sense, I am forgiving myself, right? So we have to see it as this illusion of separation, this illusion of three-dimensional reality. This is the plane where we demonstrate love. I mean, we came from source, we came from singularity, we came from pure love and down into density, fooled by our senses into separation. And the survival hormones create more separation. They arouse us to put more attention on the illusion, on the objects, the hologram of three-dimensional reality, and we move further away from love. So fear is not the opposite of love. It's the separation from it. Anger is not the opposite of love. It's the separation from love. Pain, suffering is not the opposite of love. It's the separation from love. So then as people heal into wholeness by learning how to create coherence in their brain and heart, the side effect of that, a lot of times are dramatic changes in their health and then more importantly, From that place, they could have been sexually abused, emotionally abused, physically abused. They will look at their entire past from that place and not want to change anything in their past because it brought them to that moment. And they'll see the lessons and they'll have compassion and forgiveness because they're at a different consciousness. Only when you're unhappy with yourself, unhappy with your life, are you going to dig up the past. and find the reason why you are that way. And 50% of that story isn't even the truth. You embellish the story to make it sound so hard that nobody can change. I can't change. It was way too hard. And the research on memory is, majority of the time, people are telling a story that isn't even the truth. To me, they're reliving a miserable life they didn't even have, only to reaffirm their emotional state. So you catch yourself yourself in the midstream. You know, you catch yourself talking and feeling that you catch yourself. That's a victory to me. That's a victory. Right.

It's because you're going to be in reaction. Of course.

We're going to have feelings and emotions. But you ask me, so I react. Yeah, every day. But I get better at it. And I always say, okay, if I was in that same circumstance with that same person, I got the same or similar news, how would Joe Dispenza show up more evolved? If I don't know the answer to that, I'm going to find someone who had a similar experience. I'm going to read what they did and I'm going to rehearse that. I'm going to rehearse it in my mind so much so that I'm priming my brain for the experience. Now I want it to happen so that I could... It's not about being right. It's not about being... Any of those... It's really about my evolution. So then that victory to me creates more wholeness. And so that more wholeness means I'm in less lack and separation. If I'm in less lack and separation, then I'm relaxed in the present moment. And that's the beauty of being alive is that we want the moment to last. We want to be so present. It's so good. We don't want to leave it. So love, people want love, but what's the sponsoring thought behind that? They want joy. That love brings them joy.

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-People want abundance but they don't really want abundance. They want freedom. That's what they really want. They want to be able to do whatever they want. They want to have freedom. -Yes. -You know, people want a mystical experience. No, they want to be blown away. They want to feel awe. They want to be in awe of life. People want to be healed. No, they want to be whole. They want to feel wholeness. They want to feel whole again. So if you're looking for the reason why you want certain things, you want it for an emotion. The emotion is the payoff from the experience. It's the payoff. And then we get to experience it with our senses and it's greater than we imagined. And I'm telling you, when reality starts organizing itself to reflect your energy and it starts showing up in your life, what kind of feeling do you feel when you start seeing those synchronicities? you feel excitement, joy, inspiration. That's the energy you're going to use to create the next one. And so people in our work, you.

Know, this is the thing that I'm a proud of.

Synchronicities happen daily when you're in a state of... Because your energy is synchronized. Your energy is synchronized to a future. So the future that you're seeing in your mind before it happened, emotionally embracing so much so that your brain and body look like it's already happened. Well, if it looks physically like it's already happened, relax, because it's going to come to you. People in this work do the work every day, and that's the thing I'm the most proud of, not because I want them to do it out of obligation or to please God or do the right thing or whatever the programs have been for thousands of years. They don't want the magic to end. They're just like, I don't know what this is, but I'm having these incredible lucid moments. I can't believe I just got this opportunity, and wow, this is happening. Every synchronicity does what? It creates the energy and the belief that there could be more, but they're not trying to control it. They're not trying to predict it. In fact, it's none of their business how it happens or when it happens. If you can predict how it's gonna happen, that's the known. The unknown is like, I'm so happy I would never try to control it. I'm not gonna leave the present moment, and that's when you're the vortex to experiences. So that's the difference between creating as source or praying as source, or creating or praying to Source. Separation is begging, trying. Now, you are connected. You feel divine.

You feel you are the Source.

You are connected to Source. And so this place is the bridge to that. Once it's here, then there are emotions and energies and frequencies that are just ineffable. You can't describe how much love that is or the feeling that you feel.

Do emotions create thoughts or do thoughts create emotions?

Both. So think about this. Some people wake up in the morning. Your brain is a record of the past. The first thing they do is they think about their problems. Those problems are memories that are etched in the brain that are connected to certain people, certain objects, certain things at a certain time and place. The moment they wake up in the morning and they think about their problems, they're thinking in the past. If you believe that your thoughts have something to do with your destiny, well, you're already in your past. Every one of those problems, since we've experienced it, has an emotion associated with it. So then all of a sudden, they start feeling unhappy. The moment they feel unhappy, now the body's in the past because thoughts are the language of the brain and feelings are the language of the body. So now that once they go, oh.

Say it one more time.

Thoughts are the language of the brain. feelings of the language of the body. So the moment they start feeling those feelings, now their body's in the past. So now they get back and they started off with a clean slate. They didn't feel anything. And then they're like, I'm back to feeling unhappy. Okay, I'm back to myself again. So because they'd rather feel unhappy than not feel anything. So naturally, the void of that emotion is influencing the body's influencing the mind the brain to think so it produces the chemicals for it to feel. Some people just wake up in the morning and they don't feel anything and then all of a sudden they just look for that feeling. Some people need a thought to do it, some people can just bring up the feeling, right? So then they cling to that emotion because at least it's the known. So some people have emotions that influence thoughts, some people are more analytical, they have thoughts that influence feelings, but it's a loop, right? It's that cycle of thinking and feeling.

What's the formula to get out of that quickly? Keep mentioning the formula. Like there's a formula if that's happening. And I know we've had thousands of people that go through your books and your audio meditations. I think you have some new ones coming out here soon and they've been to your workshops, which I think go to the workshop because it's going to.

Be a game changer. I can't wait till I can go, but... I keep inviting you.

Guess what?

You can't come anymore. You're not allowed to come.

I'm coming.

No, you can't come now. Maybe this will get them to come.

Exactly. Now there. What is a formula, like a one to two minute formula, when someone notices, oh, I'm feeling something and then my thoughts are supporting that feeling and I'm just staying in this loop, what's the one or two minute formula they could just implement in the morning, at night, whenever to help them?

Well, I'm gonna give you two examples, okay? Because there's not just one way to do this. So if you're truly in the business of change or creating your life, that's a big responsibility. We ran our event. I said to the audience, okay, nobody forced you to come here. You came here on your own. You took the risk in coming here. By coming here, you also agree that you create your reality, that you're responsible for yourself and your life. So if something happens to you, you can't blame anybody because of that. It's your responsibility to take care of you. Right? So then the fundamental question is, and I ask myself this all the time, at what point do I stop believing in that I create my life. At what point? When things go bad, then all of a sudden, I didn't create that. That person is doing it to me, right? So if we can wire that in our brains, right? That our reaction and response to an environmental condition is causing us to go back to the past. That's what the emotion is, the familiar emotion is the past. And I'm on the journey and I catch myself doing that. If I'm truly in the practice every day and I can cultivate a feeling, not on the spot then, you're not prepared. Your meditation is the preparation of mind and body for this. So I don't get up from my meditation until I'm in love with life. I don't create anything that's going to be unlimited until I feel unlimited.

I'm in that space.

And if I'm practicing feeling unlimited every day, I'll practice connecting to the emotions of my future. I'm out of the bleachers and I'm on the field. If you're in the bleachers and you're trying to not react to people in circumstances, you don't have the practice or the skill set on how to create that emotion because you haven't been practicing creating it. And why do we close our eyes and do it? Because the environment is so seductive. Why do we sit still and not move? Because you're gonna want to get up and pee and eat and have a cup of coffee and feel. So now you're telling your body, hey, stay. I'm gonna feed you. Yeah, you're gonna take a shower, you're gonna get coffee, you can play with your cell phone, you can text, you can talk trash, you can do anything you want, but right now, You're not the mind. I'm the mind and you're going to sit and stay till I'm done and when I condition you to the emotions of the future and I get a very clear image of who I'm going to be this day and I'm not going to get up until I feel that way. I guarantee you, you're going to come up against all those unconscious thoughts. They're going to come up right there. I want people to see it. I want them to become so familiar with it so conscious that they wouldn't go unconscious, they wouldn't let that thought, I can't ever slip by their awareness unchecked. They've done the work in the beginning of the day. They suppress those circuits in the brain and nerve cells that no longer fire together, no longer wire together. You're breaking down the old personality. And so you say, your body wants to get up, I gotta pee, I wanna have a cup of coffee, I wanna check my... and you watch your body wanna get up and you go, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, get over here. you get back into this present moment and you, every time you do that, it's a victory. You're executing a will that's greater than an unconscious program and most people lose their free will to a program because they do the same thing today as they did yesterday. Their body's on autopilot and it's dragging them into the same future habitually based on what they did in the past. So now you're sitting there and it's just a little uncomfortable and you want to quit and you go, go, no. You get over here and you bring it back. Now some people say, I can't meditate, but really they're actually doing it right. That's a victory too. And then you do that and you start watching how you're training your body back into the present moment. Then it's your body says, well, you know, Louis, it's 8:30 in the morning. This is usually when you watch the news and throw a tirade and get angry. Right. And I'm-- and you're sitting here with your eyes closed and you're off schedule. so why don't we just get agitated about anything? So the body starts trying to create images in your mind so you remember your ex, you remember your problems, so you could feel that agitation. What if you watched your body do that and you said, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not gonna give my power away to the past or that person or that circumstance in my life. You get that body back in the present moment, you lower the volume to that emotion. That's a victory. You're telling the body it's no longer the mind that you're the mind. Now, that kind of work is tedious in the beginning, but I watch people because when I have them do that, it starts stretching their boundaries. The known self, that little box, starts to move into the unknown and they survive. And all of a sudden they're more relaxed in the present moment, the unknown. And they start feeling more satisfied. So now they're more ready to create. So the preparation for the day is to remind yourself of who you no longer want to be. To know thyself. to become so familiar with the word meditation means to become familiar with so conscious of your unconscious programs. You're not going to go unconscious. Why? Because you did battle today with that personality that's creating the same personal reality. And if your personality is made of how you think, how you act and how you feel and you want to create a new personal reality, then you've got to change your personality and that's going to mean then you're going to become so conscious of those unconscious programs that you're no longer the program. You're the consciousness observing the program. Disentangling from that is not easy. That's why most people won't do it. That's why they get on their cell phone and say, let me just create a little dopamine by just seeing if I got a text from somebody I like. You know your phone's over there and you're no longer regulating with something outside of you. This is game time. So then if you said, what thoughts do I want to fire and wire in my brain? With my attention and my intention, I'm gonna make that the loudest voice in my head. And if you keep firing and wiring, that hardware is gonna become a software program and it's gonna be a new voice. You installed it. No magic there. And if you said, Hey, listen, I sucked yesterday with my staff meeting. I was off. I want another shot at it. How would greatness show up in the school of greatness? How would greatness show up for the staff meeting? I got another shot. I got 10 fingers, 10 toes, I'm alive, my heart's beating, I didn't fail, I got another shot today. All right, what do I know about myself that I can do? The act of closing your eyes and rehearsing who you're going to be is installing more hardware. The brain's gonna look like you already did it. Now it's no longer in the past, it's primed for the future. Keep doing it and this will become a software program and you're gonna start looking pretty great. People are going to go like, wow, really great. You're going to demonstrate greatness. Yeah. But there's no magic there. Because you're going to think, what is greatness? Okay, I like what this person said, I like what that person said, I like what I read here, I love my experience of when I've demonstrated. And the frontal lobe is going to create a beautiful, beautiful understanding of how to evolve your experience. And when you're no different than learning how to dance, learning a sport, learning lines if you're an actor, an actress, a musician, you rehearse all the time. And the rehearsal is actually priming the brain for the experience. So now your brain is ready for the day. It's different than just going, oh, I'm not going to react to my boss. Well, you haven't done the work to come up with how to overcome that. And then what did you install so you have circuit, you have raw materials to use? Now here's the hardest part. Can you teach your body emotionally what it would feel like if you arrived at your future? And can you say, I'm not going to get up until I feel that way? Now this is good work here because you'll have to come up with that emotion and get beyond the shame, the guilt, the unworthiness, the pain, the suffering. And this is battle. This is battle because your brain is going to keep going to something that's going to want to make you feel that way. Then the analytical mind is going to they're gonna say, you can't do this, it's too hard, why don't you quit? And that's where everybody stops. But right on the other side of that is love. Right on the other side of that is gratitude. Right on the other side of that is freedom, right? So then if the person's willing to go a little further and practice a way to do that, and they could get in touch with that emotion, and they can feel it. And when I feel it, I always say, and usually when it's really good, I say, remember this feeling. Memorize this feeling. Memorize.

Make a snapshot of that fear.

I want to be able to bring this feeling up on command so I'll let it go and then I'll go back and say, let me see if I can do it again. Why am I trying to do it again?

To remember.

Remembering is creating the circuitry to be able to produce it again. It's going to become a skill. Now, I have something to walk into my condition in my life where I'm reacting and now I have a plan. I've primed my brain and body to the future instead of the past. I've suppressed the past. So now I have, I'm closing my eyes, disconnecting from the environment, overcoming my body, not thinking about the predictable future, the familiar past and time. I'm in the present moment. I'm ready to create. Why? Because I want to present myself to the world as an evolved version of yesterday.

Real quick, before you go to the next, I hear a lot of therapists will mention we should not suppress emotions. I'm hearing you mention just there suppressing the past.

No, I would never say suppress. I would say, at what point are you done feeling that emotion?

Gotcha.

You want to keep feeling it? You're not doing anything wrong, you're just taking too long. I mean, I'm not gonna tell you to not feel an emotion. I feel emotions, but again, I'm just gonna move through them. I'm a super passionate person. If I'm going in, I'm going all in, I'm not going halfway. But when I feel and I can catch myself, that's pretty cool.

Gotcha.

'Cause now I can change it. No one, nothing is doing that to me. I'll feel it. I'm not sitting there going, I'm not doing that. There's no tool set there. I'm just, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm steeping in the emotion. That's not it. I am saying, okay, I'm angry. In this moment in eternity, Joe Dispenza, what do you got? What do you got? This is a moment you're gonna remember 'cause people who heal, People who have transcendental moments, people who break through, people who have the wealth, the freedom, when they look back at their life and they see all the days, they chose themselves to show up for their meditation, when they look back at those past moments, they're not looking back at the easy meditations. They're not falling in love with the person who had the good medit-- they're falling in love with the person who sat in the fire. They remember those moments where they were like, he didn't give up on me. I believed in myself. I believed there was something on the other side of this feeling. I stuck with it. And all of a sudden it starts to change. And for some people it takes a little longer than others, but they're on it. And so then when they look back at their past and they see all those times it was hard and they went a little further, they're going to fall in love with that person. And now their future self who's already transformed is drawing their past self to them in love. That's how reality is.

So our future self in the future or in the past?

No, there's a future you that's already exists. You just gotta get there. And he's in love with you. And the only way you're gonna get there is by you being in love with him.

And being in love in the past.

Yeah, but so then what is love then? So then people think they confuse love with pleasure. Like a manicure or a shopping spree. That's not love. That's pleasure. And the more whole we are, the less need for pleasure we have. You sit in the fire. I watched 1,025 people last week transform themselves. In the beginning, I was trying to find the door. I was bouncing off them. I just wouldn't quit. And then they started doing the work. They came up against themselves. They got frustrated. They got impatient. I kept reminding them, their brains going into high beta, their arousal is driving them further out of balance and they started tempering the animal. And they started, I took them a little further and they sat through the fire. And all of a sudden it wasn't about the mystical experience. It wasn't about the wealth. It was about learning the formula.

It wasn't about what they wanted.

It was about overcoming themselves. They're learning the formula on how in that moment, if they could just relax and keep practicing, that little box begins to expand and now there's more more room for them to relax in the unknown. I stretched them outside of the known and they survived. And they keep stretching them and all of a sudden they're more present. And so they wanted to come to the edge in the next meditation and go a little further. It was no longer me saying you gotta go. They wanted the edge. They wanted to see what was standing in the way between them and their new relationship. Them and their healing. was that thing that I want to remove? I'm going to, if not now, when? Right? So they wanted to take it on because they forgot about their cell phones. We did it during the week of election, so nobody would care about us. They didn't care about the election. They didn't care about any disease. They were immersed and they retreated from their lives. Now, back to your question. I guarantee you those people When they face circumstances in their life now, they're ready for their environment. In fact, they've lowered the volume to so many of those emotions. When people lash out at them or do things, they're gonna go, oh, come here. Are you hurting? Get over here. I'll give you a hug. Not like, oh, you know, they're not gonna do that. They're gonna be like, come here. I love you. Get over here. Are you okay? It's just they're not, there's not that anymore. They've kind of They're kind of ready. So the formula then, to answer your question, is brain and heart coherence. And when you're in stress and you're in survival, when you're in danger, the arousal of the stress hormones creates a heightening of our senses and we become materialists and we narrow our focus on the material world and that's reality now. And when we start trying to control reality and predict it and we have the perception that things are getting worse, all of a sudden we're shifting our attention to one person, to another person, to another problem, to another thing, to another text. And every one of those things, there's a neurological network in the brain. So the arousal of stress hormones causes the brain to start firing incoherently. And now there's no energy in the brain because the incoherence is diminishing energy. It's waves that are canceling each other out. The brain goes into to like this quiescence of no activity, but very little performance. So then we said, okay, let's teach people how to take their attention off of everything known in this memory bank of the known self, the autobiographical self, the artifact of the past. Let's teach them how to go from a narrow object focus on anything material that's known in this three-dimensional reality to broadening their focus, to putting their attention on energy, nothing, space, and going from a convergent focus to a divergent focus and opening their focus. We started noticing that the brain started to synchronize. The different compartments started to unify and the brain started functioning in a more holistic state and the person started feeling more chilled, more poised, more clear, and what sinks in the brain links in the brain. So you start seeing this kind of integration. We can call people on the stage now, and I can say, would you show the audience on a brain scan how to go in the gamma? Give me one second. Boom, they go right in the gamma. Can you show them how to go in alpha coherent brainwave patterns? Give me a minute.

Is alpha like negative state or?

Alpha is like that creative state. When the brain starts slowing down analytical processing.

Gamma is what?

It's like super consciousness. That's like, that's the big stuff.

Yeah, that's the highest level that your brain can go into.

Yeah, it's a kind of a very fast frequency, but our gamma frequencies that we record in our work is so coherent. Let me see how I can say this. When you're in beta, right, we're in beta right now. Your brain is busy integrating all this information. What I'm saying, what you're feeling, the temperature in the room, the lights, your back, everything else, your brain's got to figure all this out. It's got to create meaning between what's going on out there and what's going on in here. If I said to you, Louis, I forgot to tell you, you're going to take a test today, you would perk up a little bit more, right? The light bulb would get a little brighter, it's mid-range beta. But when you're in high beta, that's when you're really, really out of balance, when you're angry, when you're frustrated, when you're impatient, when you're vigilant, you know, that's, the brain is in very, very heightened state and that's a high beta. That's when you're in a negative native state. Yeah, exactly. You're in survival. And people don't think they can control that, so they start analyzing in that state and they make their brain worse. They get overly focused, overly analytical. And now you've got to get beyond that analytical mind to get into the operating system to change those unwanted habits and behaviors. So when you disconnect from your environment and you close your eyes and there's less stimulation coming in, we play music in the background, you're not eating, you're not you're not smelling, you're not tasting, you're not feeling. There's less sensory information. Naturally, this mechanism starts to slow down and so there's less information. You go into alpha and you cross the analytical mind. And what separates the conscious mind from the subconscious mind is the analytical mind. So now you're suppressing the analytical mind that's saying you can't, it's too hard, the voice goes away. And in alpha now, we're not looking for any kind of alpha. we're looking for coherent alpha. So as they open their focus and they sense space, the act of sensing and feeling causes them to stop thinking and analyzing. So you start seeing energy leave the neocortex, right? If they do it really well, the body starts to fall asleep or it feels so comfortable that it can rest in the present moment and let it almost fall asleep and you're still conscious and awake. Now you're in Theta. Now that's a hypnotic state.

Your body's like vibrating almost.

Yeah, the door between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind is wide open. It's very programmable.

Thinking about being positive is actually creating the negative problem because you're not paying attention when you're thinking about being positive. So this is a whole issue.

People have a feeling that they can change, but they have no effort. They don't want to get in the game because they feel it's, you know, it's just too much time and it doesn't work.