If You Want To REVERSE AGING & Live To 120+ Years Old, WATCH THIS! | Peter Diamandis

All of us are going to develop a disease at some point.

Aging is a disease.

Aging is a disease. Our body is a machine and we are beginning to discover why we age. How do you slow it down? How do you stop it? Maybe how do you reverse it? I think you gotta have a dream.

The School of Greatness.

Really? Yeah.

Please welcome, Lewis Howes. If we add 30 healthier, so you've got the cognition, you're thinking clearly, the aesthetics, you look good, the mobility, you're moving well, If you add 30 healthy years, science is not standing still during those 30 years, right? It's moving and the speed is accelerating. So, you know, a lot of the work right now is around the idea of slowing, stopping and reversing aging. You know, there are species on this planet from the bowhead whale to the Greenland shark to sea turtles that live 2, 3, 4, 500 years. If they can, why can't we?

Interesting. 500 years.

Yeah.

Greenland shark at a minimum does 400 to 500 years.

Come on, really? That's incredible.

It is incredible.

So with CRISPR, and I've just started learning about CRISPR in the last few months, for those who have never heard about it, can you explain what it is and how can you use something like CRISPR to, I guess, take genes from the shark that lives 400 years or whatever and help it help us as humans use it in a way to help us live longer.

CRISPR is an editing technology that's been discovered out of bacteria. And it's a means, it's evolved over billions of years as a means by which bacteria prevent themselves from being infected by viruses. There are things called bacteriophage that infect bacteria. Anyway, Jennifer Doudna and her partner who won the Nobel Prize in 2020 in chemistry for discovering CRISPR, learned how to manipulate it and utilize it and some folks at Harvard like George Church and others, turning it into a tool that allows you to go into your genome and accurately change letters. So each of us, you and I have 3.2 billion letters in our genome. 3.2 from our mother and 3.2 from our father. And those genes basically are your software, right? And sometimes you might be born with a genetic disease, a mutation like sickle cell anemia, thalassemia, there's thousands of them. And you're stuck with it and it could be fatal or it could be inconvenient. And medicine has over the years tried to just you know, how do we treat it? How do we remove the symptomology, but you still have it?

You still have it.

And CRISPR is an opportunity to go into your genome and make the edit and cure you, right? You know, C-U-R-E, cure. And for example, there's CRISPR trials going on right now to cure people with AIDS, where you go in, right, the HIV virus has been integrated into your genome, can you use CRISPR to go in there and cut it out?

And delete it.

And delete it, right? This is like word processing for the letters of your body. So that's probably not, we're not going to probably use CRISPR for longevity, but it's going to help us live our longest, healthiest life, and then we're going to learn how to make changes that will extend it. One of the big areas, We're also beginning to learn how to grow extra organs, like a backup set of kidney, lung, heart, thymus, pancreas, and that's pretty cool to have a backup set of organs for yourself.

Right.

So you could do the surgery if you need to. What would you do, print it?

Well, there's a few different approaches. There's a few different approaches. One, Martine Rothblatt, who's an incredible entrepreneur, What Martine has done is gone after pigs, and turns out pigs have the same size heart, liver, lung, kidney, as humans do, and modified the surface antigens and removed the viruses and making them compatible for transplant. So you can make an infinite supply of humanized pigs that are then available instead of, 'cause right now, we wait for someone to die in an automobile accident.

And then we used that organ, right? Well, I think the first transplant happened with a pig heart within the last six months.

So it was a liver transplant that was done into someone who is brain dead, but the family allowed the transplant to take place as a first step. Interesting. And then there was a heart transplant that was done about three or four months ago. Now the patient only survived for a little over a month, but it's the first step.

Interesting. But maybe if there's a way that CRISPR could change the DNA of the heart first and then transfer it.

Exactly, so that is, you know, it's the early days, but I think it begins to change the way we think about our, what's possible in our lives. Like, what would you do if you had an extra 50 years? If like, you know, if you knew you were gonna make it to 150, would it change when you have kids, whether you get married, how many careers you have, how long you work? your desire to go and see another star system, you know, I mean, how does it change? Because life is precious. There's no question about it. But this idea that you are going to retire and then go out to pasture and, you know, give up on life, I think is bull. I think if you feel good, if you've got the energy, if you're thinking clearly, the only time more exciting than today is tomorrow.

Right.

What would you do if you had an extra 50 years? If you knew, okay, if I say healthy and there's no accidents in my life and I know my body could take it to 150.

I mean, listen, I love starting companies. I'm on my 25th or 26th company right now. There's a few adventures on the planet, a few parts of the planet I haven't seen yet that I'd love to go to. I definitely want to go and walk on the moon and walk on Mars and go start a a colony in probably in the asteroid belt. It's like open up the space frontier and just see the future. I mean, my kids are 11, so I had kids when- 49? Yeah, 49-50. And they've got incredible life ahead of them, right? So kids born today could have an indefinite lifespan.

Really?

I mean, we'll see. It's like we're beginning to understand why we age and why we may not need to. And it changes a lot of things, right? Including Social Security and government operations and institutions of marriage and all kinds of things. Would you go and have a third, fourth, fifth family? Who knows?

Interesting. What are the main causes of why we age?

Your genome at birth, 3.2 billion letters that your software code you're running and at age 20 and 40 and 60 and 80 and 100 is the same. Small mutations, but roughly it's the same. And so the question is, why don't you look the same?

Right, why is that?

Why is it? Well, it's not the genes you have. It's what's called your epigenome. It is epi from the Greek word above, which means what genes are turned on and what genes are turned off. And so as we get older, the body goes into dysregulation. It was never designed to live past age 30. Really? Yeah, because 100,000 years ago, think about this, you would go into puberty at age 13, no birth control, you'd be pregnant by 14. And then by the time you were 28, your kids were having kids. That's crazy, right? And back then, before we had abundant food, before Whole Foods and McDonald was around, the last thing you wanted to do to perpetuate the species was steal food from your grandchildren's mouths. And so there was never benefit for being the old member of the tribe who's strong arming for food or holding the tribe back. And so there was no selective pressures against a person living longer or promoting a person living longer. So we never did. And so the body goes into a rapid dysregulation. For example, when we're born, we have this large supply of stem cells in our body. As we age from birth to into your 40s and 50s, the stem cells in your body can fall a thousandfold. So there's something called stem cell exhaustion. That's one of multiple causes, your mitochondria, your power sources for your for yourselves. So recently Tony Robbins and I wrote a book called Life Force and it hit number one in the New York Times, like the first three weeks was out, super proud.

It's an amazing book, yeah.

Yeah, and the book looks at all of the breakthroughs today that are, have just come out, have been out for a bit, and then the ones that are coming out. And for treating cardiovascular disease, cancer, neurodegenerative disease, Alzheimer's, for increasing your vitality and your strength. And what I can tell you is that the speed of innovation is breathtaking. Wow. Is breathtaking. And part of that is understanding why we age. There's a great, another book called Lifespan. So Tony and I were at Life Force, a guy named David Sinclair. Tony's great. Lifespan, are you familiar?

Yeah, I've had David on a few times.

Fantastic. So David's brilliant and it does an incredible job of explaining why we age and his work in the sirtuin systems. These are the seven genes and factors that control your epigenome and also control repairing mutations in the genome. So the good news is what used to be a crazy idea, I mean people would laugh at you and you wouldn't get funding if you were talking about the idea of longevity research or age reversal. is now become mainstream. It's the hottest subject. Arguably tens of billions of dollars are flowing in per year. You do research, yeah.

If you're, I just turned 39, so I'm gonna be 40 next year. If you're me, what were the things you say you need to start thinking about doing or applying ASAP that are free or pretty inexpensive right now? And then what are the things that if you're like, if you've got the funds, these three things you've got to invest in. So like yesterday.

Yeah, great question. So number one, it's still the basics.

Eat well, sleep well.

It's eight hours of sleep and I've got my Oura ring and I am, I actually, when I was in medical school, used to pride myself on getting by with five or five and a half hours of sleep. It was like the manly thing to do.

I think Tony was like that for a long time too, right?

He has been. And I think he's finally got religion as we wrote this book. But I pride myself on eight hours of sleep now. I really am shooting for that. I'm getting in bed by 9:30, 'cause my eyes pop open at 5:30. So if I wanna get those sleep, that's what I gotta do. It's like bringing the temperature down, wearing an eye mask, a cooling blanket, all those things. And there are tricks and trades. There's a great book by Matt Walker called why We Sleep. Yeah, he's right.

Which is brilliant.

Yeah, we've had him on too. He's a great guy. So sleep is critical. Minimizing sugar, I mean sugar in moderation is fine but sugar is an inflammatory molecule. It causes neuroinflammation, cardiovascular disease. It's not a good thing. You know, I tend towards a plant-based diet. I tend towards minimizing any kind of red meat. I'm mostly fish and Mediterranean diet. And then exercise is key, right? So, as much exercise as I can get, I'll squeeze it in there. Really? So those are the basics. And there's a whole slew of supplements. If you have the money, and it's not too early for you to do this, I started a company called Fountain Life. And Fountain Life is in the book in detail. We have facilities in New York, in Pittsburgh, in Florida. We're opening soon in Dallas in Santa Monica here. It's an annual membership and you go and we do a digital upload of you, it's the best I can describe it. We do a full body MRI, brain MRI, brain vasculature and those, what we're looking for there is finding cancer at the very beginning, at stage zero, right? And also finding any kind of aneurysms. Two percent of people who come through have a cancer they don't know about.

Come on.

That's crazy, right? Two and a half percent have an aneurysm they don't know about. All right, an aneurysm is a opening in the arterial vessel. If you've had someone die in their sleep, a lot of times it's from an aneurysm that bursts. And then we do a coronary, an AI enabled, what's called a clearly CT. And so, Historically, you'd go and you'd get your calcium score. And if you had a lot of calcium, that was considered bad. But calcified plaque in your coronary arteries is stable. It's the soft plaque you need to be worried about that can rupture and then block one of the coronary arteries. And we use an AI-enabled CT called Clearly C-L-E-E-R-L-Y. to find soft plaque. And then we monitor that for you. And then we do a Grail test, which is a blood test that can find 50 different cancers. We do all of your omics, your gut, your genomics, everything.

How long does it take to do all these tests?

Five hours total.

Is it painful?

To do all the imaging? No, not at all.

You just have to be patient and sit there.

And then we do a quarterly follow-up and you get a concierge doc with you.

Interesting.

But the idea is, listen, all of us are going to develop a disease at some point.

Right?

Well, they're saying death is a disease, right? I mean, I mean, yeah, exactly.

And so, but you- Aging is a disease. Aging is a disease, but you're going to, God willing, you don't, but cancer in your degenerative, you want to find something at the very beginning when you can zap it.

So if you find it at the beginning, there's ways to reverse them?

Yes, there are, listen, your chance, if you discover any of these things early enough on, there are from cardiovascular and cancer and neurodegenerative and all of these things. Yes, you want to find it in the beginning and people go, well, I don't want to know, bull, you want to know as early as you can so you can take action.

Was there anything that you found that was, you know, no worse about?

So I found, so my biggest risk is cardiovascular heart disease. My father, I think, you know, pretty much passed from implications of cardiovascular disease. And I have reversed the cardiovascular disease that I've had with a series of medical protocols. Interesting.

And.

That makes me feel much more empowered, right? And so monitoring then my muscle and my bone density and everything else, but knowledge is power. And if you want to live a long and healthy life, you want to know as much as you can going into this.

Is this something you do every year then?

I do every year, yes. I've done it. We have a sister company called Human Longevity HLI in San Diego. And so I had been going to the one in San Diego for the first five, six years. And then last two years, I've been going to this new company that- Santa Monica. And well, it's nationwide called Fountain Life. You can go to fountainlife.com, Santa Monica will open by the end of this year.

I might have to check that out.

You should. And I think if you can afford it, and it's not cheap, it's $19,500 for the first year and then $14,500 for every year thereafter, but it includes a concierge doc and includes all of the workup. And it's a fiduciary for your health. Now, the cool thing we're doing on top of that, which I love, is we're reinventing health insurance. So I think, and we have something called Fountain Health, which is our insurance program for, it's for self-insured companies right now, but we'll go beyond that. So, you know, think about this. Life insurance pays you after you're dead, right? Health insurance pays you after you've been sick. Fire insurance pays you after your house burns down. And that's just like, pathetic. And so what we're doing with Fountain Health is when you get this health insurance, all of the testing I mentioned before is free. And so our job is to test you annually and catch the disease at the beginning and prevent it from happening.

So I pay for the health insurance, I get the testing from Fountain Life for free.

Yeah.

Interesting.

So it's...

So it helps you prevent and not.

To have to take... It's all about preventative, predictive healthcare.

You mentioned, you lose stem cells, I think you said you lose after a period of time.

So the other side of Fountain Life is we have therapeutics.

Okay.

And.

There are a whole slew, in fact, my meeting right after our conversation is going to meet with one of my physicians. I've got an army of them to look at what therapeutics I want to do this year.

Okay.

And so there's things called synthetic medicines. So it turns out your cells in your body are replicate on the order of 50 times. And at the end of 50 replications, they should die, make room for new cells. Unfortunately, sometimes they don't die and they become cancers. or they can stick around and what they're called a zombie cell or a senile cell. And these cells are sitting there just pumping out inflammatory. And about 2% of the cells in your body are these zombie senile cells. And so there are medicines you can take that can target those and kill them. And those are called senolytic medicines. And so there's things like dasatinib, quercetin, and rapamycin and then there are exosomes and stem cell treatments. Now, what we're working on, because today you can get your own stem cells. You can go to your bone marrow or your blood and separate out stem cells and concentrate them and give them back. But you can bank them or give them back to yourself. Or you can go and get stem cells from the placenta of a newborn. We are working to get approvals in the US from the FDA under what's called an investigational new drug application to do that. Because right now we at Fountain Life will make recommendations for facilities in the Caribbean or in Costa Rica or Panama or other places where you can go. But you can't get newborn stem cells legally in the United States because they have not been FDA approved.

Right.

Our goal is do the science, demonstrate what's possible, and get the FDA approval so that we can rejuvenate ourselves.

Have you done stem cell work on yourself?

I've done some stem cell work I'm looking at for sort of the decade ahead. I've done exosomes, which are legal. So when a stem cell, a newborn stem cell is sitting there, and it's producing growth factors. Those growth factors are not just pumped in out, they are put into these small vacuoles, like a piece of cellular membrane from the stem cell that has the growth factors in them, and then they're released. And so they have no DNA, they have no organelles, they're basically the messaging factors. And you can separate those out from the placenta, the umbilical placenta, and provide those as, so you're getting the therapeutic output of the stem cell without getting the cells themselves. Right.

Is there anything other advanced things that you've done for yourself already, like with injections or pulling out blood or anything like that?

Yeah, so I'm on testosterone optimization right now. Is that the pellets or is that like an injection? No, it's an injection twice a week that I do.

You're looking pretty, you look pretty chiseled.

I feel strong.

Yeah, strong like ox.

Smell like ox too. But I've not done growth hormone yet. I'm looking at that. I'm looking at something called total plasma exchange. So this is like changing your oil where you'll pull out a few liters of blood, you'll separate out the red cells and the white cells, and then the rest of the plasma is typically some saline and albumin, which is the major protein, and you can replace those and you are sort of refreshing your blood supply. So there was a, you probably remember this whole bunch of conversation around the idea of young blood. Remember that? There were these parabiosis experiments that when my, business partners, Bob Hurrie, Dr. Hurrie, who's the CEO of Cellularity, did years ago in which he took an old mouse and a young mouse and you connected the circulatory systems. And the old mouse got young and the young mouse got old. And I was like, what's going on? This is interesting. And so there are a few different things. There's a company that has identified one factor called GDF-11, growth factor 11, and is manufacturing that right now. My venture fund's an investor in that. And it falls off as we age. And so the question is, is giving it as we age gonna be part of that young blood experiment? But what they also did was they took the old mouse and they took out the blood and replaced it with this total plasma exchange. And the mouse got younger too.

Interesting.

So there's a lot of different factors. We're in the early part of this adventure. There's this concept called longevity escape velocity that Aubrey de Grey and Ray Kurzweil talk about, which is today, for every year you're alive, science is extending your life for about a quarter of a year.

Wow.

But there's going to be a point at which for every year you're alive, science extends your life for greater than a year from all the breakthroughs that are occurring. So what is that? When is that going to happen? Ray's prediction, Ray Kurzweil's prediction was a dozen years from now. And then I asked another friend, George Church, he's one of the most brilliant scientists on the planet, a genomicist at Harvard. And his answer shocked me. He said, 15 years from now. So our mission is not to die from something stupid in the interim. All right. And so we talked about a lot of this in Life Force, And it's really about how do you maintain vitality, the energy, the desire, right? Because people retire when they're not feeling well, when they don't have the energy anymore, they're not excited about life. And then there's a whole bunch of supplements I take as a laundry list of supplements. Resveratrol and- yeah, resveratrol and NMN.

Everything from Sinclair, yeah.

Yeah, and there's a bunch of others, And at the end of the day, our body is a machine. And we are beginning to discover why we age. How do you slow it down? How do you stop it? Maybe how do you reverse it?

How important is love, purpose, and inner peace in extending our lifespan?

I think they're extraordinary. I think mindset, I talk about food, exercise, sleep, and then mindset is fundamental. I think love and companionship and purpose, you've all heard the stories of the couple that is deeply in love and one dies and the other one dies shortly thereafter, right? I mean, I think you can will yourself to death. And of course, our founding fathers this country, I forget which two of them died within hours of the 50th anniversary of the founding of the country.

Wow.

They were like, I'm gonna make it to that point. I'm gonna, damn it, I'm gonna make it there. So having a purpose, and this is something that is really deeply meaningful for me right now. And I'm spending a lot of time on this. I had an experience, so I co-founded something called Singularity University with Ray Kurzweil. And did that now almost 15 years ago. And we have executive programs and graduate programs and Abundance 360, my program is the year-round highest level version of Singularity University. And the graduate programs, we'd get 100 graduate students from around the world, top of their class, the best in AI and robotics and medicine, whatever it might be. And I remember every year I would ask a question, how many of you are clear about your purpose in life? And shockingly, Not many would respond. Less than half the class. And I expected 90% there, right? It was the brightest of the bright. And they're just from the top universities and entrepreneurs. And so it would be like 40% would raise their hand. And I'm like, Holy shit, listen, everybody who doesn't know, your mission in this program is to find your passion and purpose. That's all. I don't care what you build as a company, find your passion and purpose, 'cause it drives everything. It's a great Mark Twain quote. He says, There are two important days in your life, the day you were born and the day you found out why. And so I'm on a mission right now to help people find their passion and purpose. And so, I just launched, it's a free 30-day program called Mindset Bootcamp. And if you go to deamandus.com/mindset, you sign up, it's a 30-day sequence of emails that will hopefully change the way you see your life and your world and help you find your passion, find your purpose, but then give you insights into the mindsets that will enable you to fulfill your passion and your purpose.

What happens if we don't find our passion or our purpose?

I think you're on a mandering walk and you can still enjoy yourself, but I think it's really at the end of your life looking back. And by the way, your passion, your purpose can be your family. And that can be just a hundred percent and it can be fulfilling in that. It can be, you know, to go and open the space frontier. It can be to go right a wrong. It's like, you know, a lot of this, and I talk about this in this, in the mindset boot camp, a lot of this comes from emotional energy. We're emotional beings, right? We need that emotional energy to do anything big and bold in the world. And that emotional energy can come from on excitement. So for me, I was born in the '60s and it was the Apollo program and Star Trek. The Apollo showed me what we could do and Star Trek was that visionary documentary that showed us where we were going. That lit me on fire and everything I've ever done is a result of that passion, that purpose. That's a positive passion and purpose. People who've been wronged in their life, whatever it might be, it's like I refuse to let that happen again. I will not. let that happen to another person. And that can fuel your passion and purpose. And I think it just makes every day more meaningful. It's like waking up in the morning and moving the needle, making a dent in the universe. And here's the important thing for folks who have not found their passion and purpose. It's easier than ever before. The tools you have to do something big and bold in the world are greater than any time ever in human history. access to more capital, more knowledge, more compute, more connected people on the planet. And so I don't care if you're 80 years old beginning your journey or if you're eight. It's like finding a purpose-driven life, I think, is a really important element. So, you know, my bootcamp is part of that equation. And then for me, it's really helping people find the mindset. So I deal a lot with entrepreneurs. Yes. And one of my favorite questions for them is, okay, give me your favorite entrepreneurs. Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, you know, whatever your list is, or your favorite leaders on the planet, Martin Luther King, you know, you know, Mahatma Gandhi, whatever it is. And I said to you, what made them succeed? Was it the cash they had in the bank? Was it the technology they had access to, or was it their mindset? And I think, I know you'd agree. Yeah, mindset is everything, right? Of course. And so, whereas the greatness mindset, gratitude mindset, abundance, exponential longevity, moonshot mindset, because if you took away their money and you took away their relationships and you took away their technology, if they maintain their mindset, they get back a lot of what they lost. Maybe they'd go even further. And so if that's true, What mindset do you have? I asked them, what mindset do you have? And where did you get it from? Did you just happen to inherit it? Did you get it from your mom, your dad, your school, your brother, your sister? Where was it? And I think that we should be more actively choosing the mindset we desire and then shaping the mindset. So, I mean, we both are knowledgeable about AI and machine learning that it's really incredibly, it's rising monumentally. And when you think about machine learning, what machine learning is as a form, as one of the areas of AI, is you're showing a computer neural net image after image, after image, data point after data point after data point, and you're training that neural net to recognize cats or dogs or the English language, whatever the case might be. Our brains are neural nets. And what we see, what we listen to, who we hang out with, all of that is training our neural net. So I like to say, if you're watching CNN for two or three hours a day, and I call CNN the crisis news network or the constantly negative news network, you're gonna feel like you're under attack. Like the world is ending and your mindset's gonna be a very negative mindset. And so ultimately it's like, don't do that. Just stop. I mean, and so I'm on, you know, I haven't watched any network news. I will get up in the morning, I will do two things. I will spend about 10 minutes on Google News, right, and just look at what's going on. To make sure there's nothing in the world I need to know about. Also, my mom will call me and tell me this thing. And the other is I built an engine called FutureScope. And you might actually like this. So FutureScope as an engine allows you to build customized news feeds for yourself.

Oh, that's cool.

And so I built two. One's called FutureLoop. And so what I did was I gave FutureScope the AI engine there. All of my blogs, my books, my Twitter stream and it modeled the way I think. And then it searches the world's news every day and brings the news to me that has positive semantic about converging exponentials impacting the industries I'm interested in. So if you go to futuroloup.com, you'll get 15 articles every day selected by Virtual Peter on longevity, on space, on reinventing transportation, reinventing health, reinventing retail. And it's, I use GPT-3, which is one of the AI engines out of OpenAI. And it's like, this is the news I care about. This is the stuff in the world that I want shaping my neural net.

Sure.

And then I created another one called longevityinsider.org Okay. And I love it, longevityinsider.org, it scrapes everything on Twitter, all the science journals, all the news journals, and I get 15 updates every day on breakthroughs in longevity and vitality and health. And the engine picks the photo, the AI engine picks a photo and it writes a very understandable summary of the article. So, you don't need to have any medical background. It's like, oh, that's fascinating. And for me, that's part of our longevity mindset. If you believe that you have the potential to add 30 healthy years on your life, you're going to treat your life much differently than if you don't. If you think you're going to be dead at 70, 75, you're going to give up on life. If you think you've got an extra you're doing 120 in a healthy way, then you're going to be looking at starting your next company, getting your next boyfriend or girlfriend, whatever the case might be.

If someone is stuck in a negative mindset, but they want to lean more into a purpose-driven mindset, what are some of the steps they can take? Because this is a conditioning that some people have for decades.

It is. And you can, the beautiful thing about the human brain is it's plastic. The term of plasticity, it's changeable. and you just need to do that rewiring. And there are a number of different things you can do. It's what are you reading? What are you watching? Who are you hanging out with? I mean, just think about it for yourself. Would you rather hang out with someone who is like a positive mindset, there's no problem I can't fix, or someone who's reading the obituaries and just like, it's not to say that There are times in our life when there's something going on in the world that we need to pay attention to because we have the ability to make a difference. But I don't need to be bombarded by it every day. Because it doesn't make me a happier person or a more active person. I think it's again, what are you letting in? What posters are on your wall? I'll never forget when I was.

In.

Medical school, I was starting my first university called the International Space University. My co-founder Todd Hawley, I think as a joke and really just to goad me, put on his wall Murphy's Law, which is if anything can go wrong, it will.

Things start going wrong?

It was just really offensive. And so I had a whiteboard behind me. I went to my whiteboard and I wrote, if anything can go wrong, fix it to hell with Murphy. And I wrote Peter's Law over it. And then I have Google Peter's Laws or like, 32 of them now. When given a choice, take both. Start at the top and work your way up. Do it by the book, but be the author.

That's cool.

Best way to predict the future is to create it yourself. And the truisms that I live my life by. So what's on your walls, right? Who are your most positive minded, optimistic friends? Spend more time with them. If you want to get thin or in good shape, hang out with people who are thin and in good shape. I mean, these are just fundamentals. And then, you know, that's a lot of part of the element that I talk about in my mindset bootcamp. The other part is giving people the data. So a few of the mindsets that I focus on, an abundance mindset. Let's talk about that a second. So what's an abundance mindset? An abundance mindset is the belief that there is nothing truly scarce. So we grew up as a human species in scarcity. And our physiology and the way our brain is wired for scarcity. And so an abundance mindset, I'll give you two simple examples and go into more detail here. If I have an orange tree, I'm 5'5, I grab the oranges from the lowest hanging branches, all of a sudden oranges are scarce again. Until I invent a piece of technology called the ladder, that gives me higher reach. Now I've got access to oranges again. If you've got a pie and you've got, you know, family of four coming over for dinner, but then all your neighbors hear about it and they all come for dinner, you have to slice the pie into thinner and thinner slices. And an abundance mindset is like, bull, we're gonna go bake more pies.

Right.

Right. So the realization is technology is turning whatever used to be scarce into abundance. Another great example. We used to go kill whales on the ocean to get whale oil to light our nights, right? Then we ravaged mountainsides to get coal. Then we drilled kilometers into the ocean ground to get oil. And now we're living on a planet that has 8,000 times more energy from the sun than we consume as a species in a year. 8,000 times. 2022 is the first year that we'll have more electricity added to the grid from solar than any other form. And so we're heading towards a squanderable abundance of energy, right? Fusion is coming down the line. And anyway, so the realization is there is nothing truly scarce.

Does your mindset ever play tricks on you and go into scarcity, go into victim, go into- Of course, I'm human.

I mean, and that's the default code. And so, I need to get myself out of it, like what's bugging me? And meditation in the morning is a great way to do that. An exponential mindset is we evolved in a local and linear world. Nothing changed, right? The life of your great-great-great-great-grandparents and the life of your great-great-great-great-grandchildren was the same, right, over millennia. That was it. But today, we're living in a world.

Where.

Technology is growing exponentially. Things are not changing century to century or decade to decade. They're changing year to year. And so, an exponential mindset is understanding how computation, sensors, networks, AI, robotics, 3D printing, synthetic biology, augmented virtual reality, web 3.0, how all these technologies are just are transforming what each of us can do in our lives. When I teach that to entrepreneurs, it's really important to think about that. A longevity mindset we talked about.

The moonshot.

A moonshot mindset is around the idea that the majority of the world is happy with 10%. The majority of the world is like, huh, if I could get 10% more revenue or 10% lower costs, as awesome. But we're living in a world today where you can go not 10% better, but 10 times better. We see this in our epic entrepreneurs. Astro Teller, who's the head of moonshots at Alphabet, gives a great example. He says, listen, if you're running a car company and you want to go from 50 miles per gallon to 55 miles per gallon, You could probably do that by light weighting the materials, maybe making your aerodynamic a little bit more, changing the tires, or a little efficiency. But if I ask you to go from 50 miles per gallon to 500 miles per gallon, you need to start with a clean sheet of paper and reinvent what you're doing. And when you think about what Bezos did with Amazon, what Larry and Sergey did with Google, what Elon's done with Tesla and SpaceX, Those are starting with clean sheets of paper and reinventing the model. So we all can think about our moonshots. It's like, where do you want to go 10 times bigger when the rest of the world is happy with 10%?

How does someone start reinventing 10 times bigger over 10%?

So again, I have a week worth of lessons on moonshot thinking in here. Part of it is realizing that the way it currently is done is not necessarily the only way to do it. And it's first principles thinking. An example I give in the blogs or when Elon went to go do Tesla, the batteries didn't exist. And he said- It didn't exist. Well, the batteries at the price and the energy densities didn't exist to do this. And so he said, okay, well, how much should they cost? Then going and looking at the spot price for lithium and boron and the materials inside the batteries, realize that it can be in order of magnitude cheaper, but he'd need to do that. Just the way things are right now isn't the way they need to be. He did the same thing with reusable rockets. you've gotta be clear about your purpose. What I talk about is you need to know what your massive transformative purpose is. What is that thing that you connect with in your heart and soul that is like, you're not gonna give up. So for me, my MTP early on was space. It was Apollo and Star Trek got me going. And I wanted to become an astronaut so badly, I went to medical school. half to make my parents happy, other half because if I wasn't a fighter pilot, physicians were the next likely. And when I learned about my chance of becoming a NASA astronaut, like one in a thousand, I mean really like very slim, I said, okay, I have to reinvent how to do this.

And so-- and you went to MIT and Harvard and you were-- I was top of everything.

I was top of the schools. I read a book called the Spirit of St. Louis one day that Lindbergh flew from New York to Paris, not on a whim, but to win a $25,000 prize. And as a result of that, I said, I'm gonna create a prize for private space flight. And so my moon shot became opening up the private space frontier.

Wow.

And we did that. We had the $10 million Ansari X Prize for space flight. We changed the rules and regulations. Virgin Galactic basically bought the rights to the winning technology. I've known Bezos for 40 years. That X-Prize sparked him, Elon. And so we lit the fuse on commercial spaceflight. And that was my moonshot. My moonshot now is age reversal. How do I reverse human age by decades?

Wow.

'Cause I wanna go to the moon. I wanna go to Mars. I wanna go and see another star system.

If you could predict the exact day that you'll walk on the moon.

Oh.

What year?

2030 to 2032, that time frame. It's expensive still. You know, Starship will bring it down. I was just over at SpaceX with the commercial spaceflight team there. And, you know, selling tickets to the to orbit and they're going to be selling for like a quarter of a.

Million or something right?

I know that's on a suborbital flight. Orbit's 50 million right now.

50 million.

Yeah.

Sure, okay.

And then there's something called a cis-lunar orbit like Apollo 8 where you launch from the Earth and then you go out around the moon and come back.

That's kind of cool.

That's cool, yeah.

How much is that gonna cost?

That's gonna be on Starship and that'll be again 50 million.

50 million to go around. How long does it take to get to the moon?

Three days there and three days back.

Yeah, so it's like a-- so it's a week trip. To go around the moon.

To go around the moon. And not land on the moon. Not land. And so that's attractive as an idea.

When would that happen?

Couple years?

People are gonna go around the moon in a couple years.

Yeah, there's a Japanese client who's already purchased the first Starship mission to do that.

That's crazy.

And he's, yeah. It's great. It's great.

So you think in 10 years, eight to 10 years, you'll walk on the moon?

I think that's a good objective for me. And the question is, will I do a cyst lunar? I took a few companies public last year. I'm gonna wait for their stock price to go up.

If you, let's say you had to do this in five years, you had to walk on the moon in five years, what would you do? You had to. Or your life was over.

Okay. Yeah.

What would need to happen from you to shift the mindset to accelerate this in half the time.

Elon is moving as fast as humanly possible. There's no question. I mean, the guy is brilliant off the charts. There's a great Joseph Campbell quote where someone is driven as a man whose hair is on fire seeks water. I love that image, right? It's like, where is it now?

I gotta go.

And so on SpaceX, and I've been there throughout his entire journey from roughly 2000, 2001 when he sold PayPal to eBay to building SpaceX and what he's doing, he'll spend every penny he's got to make the human race a multi-plant species. And Starship, I remember I was with him one day back, I don't know, it was eight years ago, and he was really bummed And I was like, what's up? And he goes, We just figured out that the Falcon 9 vehicle is not going to get us to Mars. It's not going to fulfill the mission. It's all about getting the human race to Mars. And we're going to have to scrap that and do something new. And he made that decision, and Starship came out of that, right? So Starship is 10 times bigger. It's able to carry 100 people to orbit.

Wow.

It's able to, you know, it's completely reusable, not just the first stage. It can land on the moon, it can land on Mars. And we'll be seeing it go into orbit this year, and that's the vehicle. That's incredible. It's humanity's first real starship.

That's incredible.

Like going to the stars with interplanetary ship. That'll go to the moon. Land on the moon and go to Mars. Yeah, it's designed and built to colonize. It can take 12 people to the Martian surface.

When will it go to the moon?

2025. Three years from now.

That's incredible.

Yeah, it is incredible. So I don't think there's anything I can do other than maybe throw a little more money his way, but he's got it. I think he's got that.

I'm curious about your ability to enroll. I'm a big believer that life is about enrollment.

Yeah, completely.

Enrolling yourself in your vision, enrolling others in your vision, enrolling communities, the world in a mission, whatever it might be. When did you learn the skill set, the mindset of enrollment?

Yes, that's a really exciting thing.

For your life and also again, you work with some of the most successful or influential people on the planet, whether they be the richest people in the world or influential people like Tony Robbins and Elon Musk and Bezos. You're working with them, you're in collaboration, you're enrolling them to give you hundreds of millions of dollars in ideas or businesses or moonshots. How have you developed that enrollment mindset?

That's a great question. No one ever asked me that. And I think it's really important for any entrepreneur, period, or a mother or a father.

Right.

So I became driven by my desire to go to space.

Right.

What's one was this?

Well, you know, it was a nine years old. Apollo 1112 is going on. I'm eight, nine years old and Apollo catches my excitement and I'm like, I'm going to be a doctor, make my family happy, but I'm really going to become an astronaut to make myself happy. I get to college and I'm at MIT as an undergrad and I'm beginning to realize that becoming a government astronaut isn't necessarily the way I'm going to do this. For some reason, I became enamored with creating a national and then an international space organization. It's out there now, whatever that is, 40 years later, it's called Students for the Exploration and Development of Space, SEEDS, and it's chapters around the world, throughout the United States. And I start this on the MIT campus, and Bezos is the president of the Princeton chapter, and a number of my friends are presidents.

Did you guys go to school at the same time?

Yeah, roughly. a couple years behind me.

Did you know him in college?

Through Seth, yeah. Really?

Yeah.

That's fascinating.

So at MIT, I find there's no space organization, no student space group. And I'm like, huh, interesting. I'll start one. And I found myself in starting that organization, getting all the skills I've used in life.

Enroll people, you need to enroll people.

Enroll people to get up in stage and present your ideas and be able to organize people and to raise money. And it's like, it was like, do I remember anything from my aerospace engineering or molecular biology courses on my team? No, but I remember the stuff I did in the evenings. So it's like, school is about all the places that you challenge yourself and put yourself. And so SEDS was an incredible educational experience. And enrolling people, whether you're getting them to work for you, work with you, fund you. And people love supporting people who are both passionate, right, finding that purpose and passion, and you know when someone's lit on fire. And it's like, I want to help you because I like your spirit, right? That's that kind of mindset. The other part of enrollment is the data, is showing people the reality of like, here's the information. This is why this is possible. This is what happens if this is true. So it really is the heart and the mind, right? You need to get them cognitively so they understand it and they understand whether it's getting them to put money from their investment hat or the philanthropic hat and their heart because, you know, people want to make the world a better place. I believe in the positive nature of a human.

So is this a different conversation for each individual based on who they are, how they think, how they're wired.

It is.

So if you're calling, let's just give me an example. If you're going to call Tony for something or you're to call Elon for something, would you have a different approach on enrollment?

For sure.

And what's the intention you set before you do the meeting, the phone call, the FaceTime, whatever it is, before you say, Hey, I got this idea. I'd love to tell you about it. What's the intention internally?

Not bullshitting the person, it's coming across authentically. I think it is being clear about what my role in involvement, I think this is critically important. I put my money, I put my reputation on this. Also, it's not being attached to the outcome.

Whether they say yes or no.

Yeah, because you can drive with passion, One of the lessons I learned when I was at RunningSEDS, I was trying to get a place called Draper Labs to donate money to publish my newsletters and mail them to all the SEDS chapters. And I go in there and I'm meeting with the head of Draper Labs and at the end, he's like, We're a nonprofit, we can't donate money and so forth. And I was really bummed because I'd really set this expectation I was going to succeed. And I'm walking out the door and I stopped myself and I said, Is there any chance you could do the printing for us and the mailing for us? And he goes, Absolutely. And so it was realizing that any meeting you go into, you should walk away with something, even if it is a clear critique of your idea or advice as to who might want to do this or a request for an introduction or come back to me with.

These, this and this. Yes, exactly. And I'll take another look or whatever it is. Yeah, that's interesting. Or can I just at least take this bottle of water for free? You know, something. Or this.

Something.

The School of Greatness mug.

Yeah.

The School of Greatness mug.

Yeah.

Kind of getting something out of this. That's fascinating.

So you learned at MIT. Yeah, the power of enrolling. A lot enrolling and There is not taking no for an answer when dealing with a bureaucracy. Like one of my companies I started years ago is a company called Zero G. We do weightless parabolic flights, right? I wanted to go on NASA's airplane, they wouldn't let me. So I said, screw it, we're going to do my own. And I went to the FAA and said, I want to take a back then it was 727, take the airplane, seats out, Put padding in, put 30 people in the back, take the airplane, go up at 50 degrees and do this parabolic arc. And they were like, you want to do what? You're insane. There's no way that you can do this. And I remember thinking to myself, I'm not gonna let these guys stop me. And I said, you're either gonna retire or die before I give up.

Wow.

It took me 11 years to convince them. To get the FAA to approve it. It was an amazing woman, Marion Blakey, who was the head of the FAA, the administrator. had to go all the way to the top to get that approval. And we did. And we've been operating now, the website's go0g.com, I just took 60 people up on two flights, took Pharrell. That's cool. Pharrell went up there.

That's cool.

But isn't your purpose, you're going to.

Give up on it.

You're going to give up on it. It's like this stuff, I've started companies just to make money. It's like, that's empty. No, not my purpose. I need to, this is what I'm doing. This is what I'm focused on.

Right.

Yeah, and sometimes your enrollment may be, how long are you willing to show up and say you care about this? It took you 11 years. You had to keep showing up and reinventing your ass and meeting different people and building your own credibility and your proven results and showing what's possible. That where they finally said, okay, let's do it.

Yeah.

I mean, right now, you know, I've got a few moonshots. One is around helping millions of people find their purpose in life, right? And it's like, how do I scale that? Because I think I think a person who's turned on to their passion and purpose is gonna make the world a better place. I just think that- If they're happier, healthier. Happier, healthier, taking more shots on gold, going after more moonshots, and I think that's a way of making the world better. The other moonshot I'm focused on is age reversal. So I've got either gonna be $100 million or 2,000 Bitcoin Ex-prize for reversing the biological age of a person 20 years.

What does that mean?

So you have a chronological age, right? So I'm chronologically 60. You can measure a person's biological age. So biologically, last time I was tested, I was 49 and a half. Mentally, I'm like 28 or sometimes I'm eight.

Biologically, you're 49 and a half.

Yeah, that's what the testing did.

That's through testing what blood and different things.

It's testing what's called your epigenetic clock. It's looking at the methylation pattern which controls your epigenome, what genes are on or what genes are off. My goal is a therapeutic, some kind of something you'll do to your body. It could be stem cells, could be gene therapies, it could be CRISPR, who knows? I don't need to know the answer that within a year of treatment, it could be a day of treatment, a month of treatment, but we're allowing up to a year that we can reliably reverse your age, your biological age 20 years.

That's crazy.

All right, and then- I mean, at least 20 years. And then can you repeat that, right? Can you repeat that? So David Sinclair and George Church are both co-chairs of the advisory board for this. And- Kind of the judges, essentially, right? Yeah, well, helping design the prize, right? And then they may compete, in which case they would be the judges, but making sure the prize rules are set. And we have an amazing group. And I've raised, I've kicked in money for this. I've raised about $70 million thus far.

Wow.

But I want to get it to at least In fact, the principal donor right now, a guy named Chip Wilson, who was the founder of Lululemon, the first CEO, he said, I want to make it bigger than Elon's $100 million carbon prize. So he wants it to be $101 million. So he's put in $51 million. He put in Wow.

That's amazing. What's the most you've raised, whether it be for your venture fund or business or XPRIZE?

I mean, each one is different. Last year, in January of last year, I reached out to Elon and talked to him about doing a carbon removal prize. And to his credit, he agreed pretty much on the spot. And so- that was $100 million, right? $100 million, and then operating capital for the X Prize to run it some additional couple of tens of million. And then the venture fund BOLD Capital Partners, we raised 400 and we're raising another 100 to close out the round, so it'll be a $500 million round.

What's the difference between enrolling someone in a million dollars or a hundred million dollars? Which one's easier for you?

Well, listen, it's the number, the people who can contribute $100 million is more rarefied than people who can contribute a million, for sure. One of the things they get angry about is that there are a multitude of people out there who've got billions, tens of billions, hundreds of billions, and WTF, what are they doing with their money? I mean, there are very few people who are really taking full on shots. Elon is, there are a few others, but it's like you can't take it with you, and if you leave it to your kids, you can destroy their lives. So, like, you know, it's like there are a few, and I've gotten to know a number of people. I'm like, guys, take some big shots on goal. You know, it's like, you know, there's so many incredible things to go after. And it's so funny because we've gamified wealth retention, right? So I don't want to drop from number 20 on the Forbes list to number 80 by giving away $10 billion. So we need a countervailing force, right? So, you know, I've been- Should be.

Like number one donor list.

Who are the donors? The impact list, right?

The impact list.

So I've gotten to know Tony Robbins very well. We're super close friends, written together, started a number of companies together. And like Tony's really, you know, extraordinarily philanthropic and has committed to feeding a billion people, right? And he's like at 700 million on his way there.

Crazy.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

And so, we funded a, so XPRIZE right now, we've launched over $300 million of prizes, and those drive typically 10 to 20 times, so 3 to 6 billion of expenditures by the teams trying to win the prize. We got a prize that Tony and the government of Abu Dhabi funded called Feeding the Next Billion. which is really around stem cell grown meats, lab grown meats. So where you can take a stem cell from a cow, a chicken, tuna, whatever, and grow the final product without having to knock down more rainforests or.

Create more schools of fish and all those things. Who would you say are a few of the most brilliant people you've worked with in terms of the elons, the bezos of the world, and what would you say or the greatest lessons that they've taught you. Obviously, there's so many, you probably can't.

Name them all, but a few that you were. I mean, so Ray Kurzweil, who is my co-founder for Singularity University, really helped me understand and embody an exponential mindset, right? And just the power of exponential technologies to take on the world's biggest problems. A guy named Gerard K. O'Neill, who's passed, he was a professor at Princeton, was a mentor for me. helped me understand how do you open the space frontier? You know, Elon, you know, I remember I was interviewing him on the stage at Goldman Sachs about some of this stuff and he was like, yeah, my friends tell me what's great, my best friends tell me what's wrong.

Right?

And just the importance of critical thinking. And then first principle thinking, the idea of looking at the fundamentals and what is possible from first principle physics. Because there's a lot of wishful thinking out there, but if you can boil it down in that regard. Martine Rothblatt, who's incredible, you know, she runs United Therapeutics, it's a $10 billion company she started. Her audacity, her daughter, and I, all these people are heroes in our book, Life Force Martinez, she started Sirius and XM Radio as a, when she was a he, undergoes sex change operations, but then later on discovers her daughter, Genesis, has a rare and fatal lung disease. Quits, liquidates her capital, starts with a high school textbook to learn biology.

Come on.

Develops a cure for her daughter's disease.

No way.

Yeah, it was, she was tracked down Martine Rothblatt, wow. And there's a whole chapter on her. And she had pulmonary fibrosis and she tracks down a drug that was an orphan drug that was never developed by one of these particular pharma companies, gets some white powder in a baggie and takes it into the lab with the world's experts and starts developing it. And that drug is now a multi-billion dollar blockbuster drug for this particular disease, but then realizes the drug's not gonna cure her daughter, and so she needs to create a supply of replacement lungs. And so it starts on three different, you know, so it's an incredible story. And now Martine is, she's a helicopter pilot and also a, and she's funded one of the top flying car companies, the electric vertical takeoff or landing called Beta. And she wants to use the Beta eVTOLs for delivering organs to hospitals for transplant from our facility. This is moonshot. Moonshot number eight. Yeah, crazy stuff. Wow, I've never heard about this. And so, Martine has taught me.

Never.

Ever, ever, ever, ever, ever give up. Her comment is every no is one step closer to yes, right?

Wow, and how's her daughter now?

Great. Wow.

This is fascinating, but it goes back to your idea of massive transformational purpose.

Yeah.

And people figuring out what that is, which will drive their decisions every day towards something meaningful to them.

Yeah, one of the lessons Martine has tried to teach me that I haven't fully gotten is how to say no to things. Right, and so- To focus more. To focus.

Because you're everywhere.

That's my biggest challenge is really focusing in. And so it's something I try. I remember once Elon was on my board of trustees of XPRIZE along with Larry Page and a bunch of other amazing people. And I got a call from Elon saying, Listen, I'm sorry. I'm stepping off of every board other than Tesla and SpaceX. This was, I don't know, a decade ago. He just, that was what he needed to do to get those- He blew it up.

Yeah. And now, of course- Now he's everywhere.

Now he's everywhere. It's Neuralink and Boring Corporation and Twitter.

But there's probably a period of time where each person needs to focus their efforts and not dilute their efforts so they can get bigger results.

I think I'm there. Anyway.

You start saying notice. It's really- Only have 50 things underplayed, not a dust.

Well, it's understanding understanding what is your MTP and what aligns with it and.

Just.

Focusing in on those because if you get those to the next level, then they enable everything else.

If you could only work on two businesses or two ideas that you have right now for the next-- We'll talk.

About that in our next podcast.

You don't upset all the entrepreneurs you're working with. Yeah, I get you. what is missing inside of you to take your mindset to the next level?

That area of focus. I mean, I really, it really goes back to that. I think the biggest thing I need to do is to focus. You know, I'm also, part of that is I'm a people pleaser in that regard.

Yeah, I was doing most of my life. Yeah, it's tough.

And it's tough. So I was on stage with Eric Schmidt two weeks ago, you know, past chairman of Google and Alphabet, and we're having a fireside chat during my abundance 360 program. And I said, you,'ve known a lot of incredible leaders out there. And I asked the question, do you have to be an to be successful at a global level in the multi-billionaire class? Not that he is or Larry or Sergey. All right, but there's a number of people, I won't go into it, that just don't give a s**t what anybody else thinks. And so the question is, do you need to be that callous or if you're playing at that level where you've got tens of billions of dollars and you're a captain of industry, I mean, what happens is you get successful enough, you start surrounding yourself with people who protect you.

Right. And they become callous for you.

They say no to you. They say no to everyone else.

What's the biggest lessons you've learned from Elon just in the last couple of years with everything he's been creating in terms of leadership style, in terms of investment style, in terms of strategy, in terms of his communication style and social media?

It's interesting, right? So I had this conversation with him last April when we were launching this $100 million Gigaton Cartman where we spend the day together and we did a couple hour fireside chat talking about stuff. And he was showing me, he was tweeting out about our Fireside coming out. And I was, he was like, you know, I'm only sending out tweets that are either funny or have information that is useful to the individual. I'm not gonna, you know, I don't use Twitter for marketing or anything like that. Now, whether or not he's actually held to that is a different story, but that was definitely his his belief in that regard. And just the audacity and his focus. The guy, we all work hard, but when it comes down to it, I was backstage with him. He funded a prize called, it was a Global Literacy X Prize, what we called it. And we had the winners. You had to build a piece of software that could teach a child reading, writing, arithmetic on their own. And we're giving away a final prize, and he's backstage with me. and just super agitated. And I'm like, what up? He's like, Tesla is losing, you know, like a hundred, you know, forget what it was, $500 million this month. And I need, and it's like, we got to turn this around. And there's a SpaceX launch for the first start, for the first Starlink satellite, and we're not sure if the coupling on the satellites and the frequency of the launch is gonna cause it to blow up on, or, and he was just like just super, and he has his five kids there and three assistants, and it's like the level of stress, right? So, you know, when he said publicly a few times, you wouldn't want my life, Right. And, you know, I believe that to be true. He's driven. He's mentally driven.

Why do you think he doesn't, he's not excited about longevity as much as you are or Tony is or...

I had this conversation with him about, like, you know, when I was doing my earliest work in longevity, you know, some years back, and he's like, I don't think people should live, you know, forever or past, you know, 80 or 100. And I was like, He goes, because I think people need to die to make room for new ideas. And I was like, maybe it'll change your mind when you're in your 60s or 70s. But I don't think that's true. I think a meritocracy, I think the best ideas can raise to the top. And I think that society can adopt new ideas and disrupt the General Motors of the world or the Lockheed Martins of the world. I don't think it needs to necessarily be about those leaders, those companies, you know, moving on to the next life after life.

Sure, sure.

Yeah.

So it'll be interesting.

What advice would you give to him if you could give him one piece of advice?

He knows all the advice he needs of just focusing and slowing down.

What advice do you have to someone who is gaining power? You know, maybe it's someone who's now got 100,000 followers when they didn't a year ago or millions of followers or they're in the top 20 most powerful people in the world of your peers, what advice do you give to people with power?

You know, I think it's, again, what's your purpose? It really comes down, the one thing that, we'll go back to Elon, the thing that's guiding for him is that he will spend every penny he's got to make, get the human race onto Mars, right? And it's like, I'm clear about that. No question whatsoever. He's not gonna take SpaceX public. because he doesn't want shareholders telling him what he can and cannot do with his rockets. So if you're seeking power, I think it's empty unless it's in service of something. So what's your fundamental objective? Is it creating, feeding everybody health care, energy, clean water, what are you going to use your power for? Getting power for the sake of power is empty and meaningless and Yeah, just I think it makes for a very empty life.

I mean, how have you personally dealt with like, okay, more wealth, more access, more power? How do you keep your mindset abundant, moonshot, exponential, but not egotistical, overpowering, me, me, me, you know, and hurting others? How do you keep it in service to the mission and not to yourself?

I think, well, listen, my MTP, my massive transformative purpose, just to state it for the record here, is to inspire and guide entrepreneurs to create a hopeful, compelling, and abundant future for humanity. So the stuff that I do, you know, XPRIZE, Bungee 360, it's in service. How do I inspire? How do I help people find their purpose and their passion? What are the biggest problems we're going to take on? Now, there's beautiful alignment. I like to say that the world's biggest problems are the world's biggest business opportunities. want to become a billionaire, help a billion people, there's nothing wrong with creating wealth and going big, but let's have it be in service of making the world a better place. And so I back the things that I think are making the world a better place, whether it's the venture fund or myself as an advisor. And I donate to things like the XPRIZE, FIRST Robotics, Dean Kamen's incredible program, St. Jude's. Those are my three big areas. And donating money is part of it, but it's donating your mind and your capabilities along with your capital that matters.

Who's the most inspiring hero that you've never met? That's either alive now or from history?

I have been eating up some of the founding stories of America, right? So the Founding Fathers for me would have been an extraordinary group. I mean, the idea of starting a country fascinates me.

That's crazy.

And so, you know, we're going to get a shot at that as we head to the moon and Mars and such.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

Well, that's something. We're going to create new societal structures in the Web 3.0 in the virtual world and we'll have citizenship, American citizen, and a virtual citizen in these countries. But the real opportunity is when we start writing the legal code and the structure for off-world living.

That is nuts.

Yeah, but it's happening now. Whatever we evolve into a thousand years from now, it's these next few decades that we're going to look back in history and say it was the time that the human race moved off the planet irreversibly. It's a magical time.

If you could ask one question of the Founding Fathers and if you could also just share with them one thing that's happened since then that you get to share with them.

I'm fascinated by their wisdom. I mean, did they really understand the implications of what they were doing? And then I would have told them about where communications are going. We have a representative democracy, not an actual democracy, because we never had the ability to ask people and get the world to vote or America to vote. And I would have probably said you need to create some mechanism by which laws are sunsetted because the world of change is coming so fast. And we have all these laws in the books that might have been logical at the time, but it's too hard.

Yeah, it's evolving. It's inspiring stuff. I always love getting to have conversations with you. I want people to follow your mindset Bootcamp. If they go to your website, you.

Just go to bootcamp.com/mindset.

Yeah, daimondis.com/mindset.

It's a newsletter, 30-day newsletter, which teaches you this kind of bootcamp.

Basically, it's free. It's just, I'm trying to get as many people to light up and see the world in a different way, because you can't unsee it. And then, just @peterdiamandis on Twitter and Instagram. And I think, Yeah, the book Life Force.

Powerful book. It's a game changer.

Yeah, it has the potential to add significant years on your life. And if you want to replace CNN with some constructive news, you can go to futureloop.com and longevityinsider.org and those are free as well. And it's just my way of showing people where the world is and where it's going because it's pretty Extraordinary futureloop.com.

Yeah, I asked you this question last time. I'm not sure if you remember it. We'll see if the answers are the same or different. It's called the Three Truths.

Okay.

So imagine you live 200, 300, 500 years as long as you want, but eventually you gotta turn the lights off and leave. Your body and this planet and the next planets are wherever you pass away. And for whatever reason, everything you've created has to go with you or goes to another planet. No one has access to it, right? It's a loss in outer space. But you get to leave behind three lessons to the world, three things you know to be true from your experiences here. And this is all we would have to remember you by, your wisdom by. What would those three truths be?

Love is the most powerful force in the universe. Just the fundamental glue. Find your purpose in life and live your purpose in life. That is the most important thing. and just ultimately be a good person. What did I say last time?

Well, if people want to hear that, they'll have to go to the previous interview and check it out because one of the three were the same. So if they want to know the other two, go check that out. Maybe he'll tell me. I'll tell you afterwards. Before I ask the final question, Peter, I want to acknowledge you for your audacity to continue to dream so big.

Thank you, Peter.

I just feel like we need more models like you, people that think in a certain way, people that act and take big actions towards things to serve humanity in a better way. So I'm really inspired by your mission. I'm really inspired by your level of service.

Thank you.

And I'm excited to try some of these things out. I think it was the fountain fountainlife.com.

Fountain life, yes.

I want to improve, continue to improve my life. So I'm just inspired. It's really cool what you've created as a model for so many people in the world, entrepreneurs like myself, so I appreciate your mission and the model you've created. Final question for you. What's your definition of greatness?

Knowing that you have done all that you can and that you're operating at your highest level, it's like, I think that for me is, because being as great as you can, at the end of the day, if I know I have given, I've left nothing on the field, Mm-. That's it.

There you go, Peter. Thank you so much, man. Appreciate it.

A pleasure, pal.

Appreciate it, man.

Thank you.

If you enjoyed that interview, then I know you'll love what we have coming up right now. Can you be creative from a place of fear and doubt?

No, you're restrictive, you're scarcity minded, you're not creative and expansive, and you're looking to protect what you have versus create something new. And so a lot of my work at the XPRIZE, in Abundance 360, at Singularity University, in my books are around helping people see the world a different way. We're living arguably during one of the most extraordinary times in human history. Today an individual is more powerful than presidents were a few decades back. More than the kings and the queens. We have access to more knowledge, energy, capital, computational power, people don't honestly know how powerful they are to make their dreams come true, to transform the world, to find a problem and solve a problem. I'm with the entrepreneurs that I support. I say, listen, stop complaining and start solving.

Go find a solution.

Go find a solution because the world's biggest problems are the world's biggest business opportunities.

That's true.

And I teach this throughout my programs. I want to become a billionaire, help a billion people. this beautiful convergence that we're so powerful and we can solve these problems. Not everything, but I think a good number of them.

Now, isn't every generation or decade going to be the best time in the world moving forward? Like 50 years from now, we're going to say, this is the greatest time in history because we have this technology, right?

Right.

So that's what my first book, my first collaboration with Stephen Kotler, A dear friend for both of us was about, I wrote a book called Abundance: the Future Is Better Than youn Think, right? And it shows us that for all of human history, the world has been getting better. If you measure the world by access to food, water, shelter, healthcare, education, knowledge, information, entertainment, all of these factors, of course there are issues around the environment, there are issues around all kinds of things, but we forget how much life.

Was about survival, right?

Fundamental survival. And in the holiday season, we think about gratitude and Thanksgiving and giving of gifts.

There wasn't that.

No, it was like I was, you know, a millennia ago, it's like, can I live till tomorrow? Isn't that crazy?

Right?

Can I find food? My son or daughter are sick. What's going on? Can I get the right, you know, medicine man to help me, you know, figure this out? We are now worried about, oh man, it's like I gotta cut the grass or I don't have enough time to see my soap opera. I mean, the stuff that we're worried about today, we finally have the chance to take a break, a vacation from survival. And now we can think at a.

Much higher level of how do I.

Want to contribute, how do I make the world a better place? And that's an amazing place to be.

Now, was there ever a time in history that was actually better, that they had abundance mindset? I don't know, I'm thinking of like the Egyptians and the pyramids, like we've never figured out how they did those things. Was there ever a period of time that was like, man, it was glorious time?

I think we will romanticize the past, but for almost all of human history, the way I describe human history, it was the king and the queen on the hilltop or the pharaoh, whatever you want, and the rest of 99.99% of people in absolute squalor working to try and make the king and the queen somewhat wealthy. But even if you think about it, the life of that king or queen 500 years ago doesn't compare to the poorest people here in in LA, right? Who have still have a cell phone, still have air conditioning, still have access to an Uber, have access to all these things, and a bathroom. I mean, the things that we take for granted now that would be miraculous just decades ago or hundreds of years ago. And so people think about, my God, we've got an increasing wealth gap. We do, we do. But on a different way to think about it, Again, for all of human history, it was the have and the have-nots.

Lots of have-nots.

99.999% and the few haves at the top of the hilltop in the castle, so to speak. And where we're moving to now is a world of a few haves and all these have-nots to the work that I'm focused on is creating a world of haves. And yes, there will be super haves. But if we can create a world where every man, woman, and child has access to their basic needs, food, water, shelter, healthcare, education, all of these things, because we're dematerializing, demonetizing, and democratizing these things, right? And I'll come back to that. Yes, there will be those multi-multi-billionaires living forever on Mars, but, you know, I'd rather have that world where we uplift, where every mother knows that her kid has access to all the health they need. all the education they need, the water, the food, the energy. And they can create, they're living not a world of luxury but a world of possibility.

-Yeah.

-What is it that you think that limits us from thinking bigger? I feel like you're one of the leaders who thinks so much bigger than people's wildest dreams. Why are people limited in the way they think about what's possible for them?

-That'S a great question. And I think it is fundamentally Fundamentally, a person's mindset, they don't give themselves, they don't allow themselves to think at that scale.

What holds us back from allowing, even fantasizing for a moment of a big dream?

I think it's really ultimately giving yourself that permission and allowing, and getting the tools you need, and getting examples in your life of other people who have, it's safer not to dream big because to dream big is very risky. It's risky because people A will think you're crazy or B will hold you to your moonshots and then criticize you when you fell. But we can now, we're living in a very different age where your ability to have a vision of something significant and this is what my second book, Bold, was about. How to go big, create wealth, and impact the world was saying, listen, we're living in a time right now where you can have a big idea and you can test and iterate, test and iterate, test and iterate very rapidly until you find the right product market fit. And things can scale. We're going from I've got an idea to I run a billion dollar company fashion anytime in human history. There are more unicorns than ever before because there's more capital than ever before. And entrepreneurs can come up with an idea and test it quickly, quickly, quickly. And fail it quickly or iterate different versions of it quickly. And that's an amazing time. And so it's never been better to be an entrepreneur.

And.

I talk about this in all the work I do, when I'm working with people. I say first and foremost, it's critically important for you to get clarity on your, what I call your massively transformative purpose. What are you on this planet to do? Doing anything big and bold is hard work. It's all hard work. We have this incredible fantasy of what it was like to be Jeff Bezos or be Elon Musk or be, you know, Zuckerberg. Zuckerberg, all these guys. And the fact of the matter is we think it's easy. We think it's like start at idea and go straight to billion dollars valuation. But it's not. There are incredibly difficult times along the road, right? There is this period of launch your idea and then on the door, on the death of, you know, the doorstep of death over and over and over again and not giving up. I joke that a lot of my most successful ventures are overnight successes after.

11 years of hard work.

I know Elon well, looking at what he did with Tesla and with SpaceX is extraordinary, but it was hard.

It's still hard.

It's still hard.

And it was on, you know, he tells the stories of being on the brink of bankruptcy on the brink of.

Running out of capital.

It was his sheer fortitude, the team at Airbnb. They iterated their idea hundreds of times to get something that works. But it's possible now as an entrepreneur where before you would-- failure was a death knell. Today it's experience.

Yeah.

It's almost like you have to fail. multiple times in order to have the credibility, the experience to grow. How many times explain what a moonshot is for those who maybe don't know what it is to find it. How many moonshots have you declared and said, I'm doing this. How many of them actually happened or close to happening and how many failed?

So, fair question. So, I mentioned massively transformative purpose. Let me tell you. What is your, what is your, so, so an, an MTP is something I work with all of my entrepreneurs and CEOs around, get clarity around what is, what's your purpose in life? You can have an MTP for yourself, for your family, for your company. And it needs to be something that you have an emotional connection with that lights you up, that gets you excited. It can come from a place of absolute love. Like, I so want this to exist. I so am excited about creating this. It can come from a place of sheer pain.

It can come from a place like.

This should not exist on the planet. I refuse to. I'm going to solve this problem.

Right.

But it has to have a kind of emotional energy. You and I both know Tony, Tony Robbins. And, you know, emotion is a fundamental driver for human greatness. And so getting that MTP.

Right?

So I've had three over my life, one meta, and they can change over time. They can change over time. You can have one for a year, for five years, and find something else you connect with. Early on, it was making the Earth a multi-planetary species, the humanity multi-planetary species. How do I open up space?

Right?

Because I grew up on Apollo and Star Trek. Apollo showed us what was possible. Star Trek showed us where the world was going.

And that lit me alive.

That drove me. And that is really, and I've started a dozen space companies over the years, really to make those happen. My next one was solving the world's grand challenges, and that gave birth to the X Prize and Singularity University. How do we positively impact the lives of a billion people? Because that's now possible. entrepreneur. I don't care where you live, you're connected to the global economy by the web, massive capabilities, access to capital on crowdfunding and venture funding and all of this. You can, an individual has the potential if they desire to impact the lives of a billion people on the planet. That's the first time ever that we live in that world.

Because we can have scale now with our resources, massive scale, reach, distribution, everything.

And so one can set that goal.

So that's a goal of yours as well.

My second MTP, and I sort of maintained the first and built on the.

Second.

Was using technology to impact the world's grand challenges. And that gave birth to the XPRIZE, where we launched about $200 million in prizes, another $200 million are in for development for solving some of the world's biggest grand challenges. And when a team competes for an X Prize, they actually have to do it. They have to build it and demonstrate it. And then they get the, you know, the world, they get the money from the prize, but they keep the IP and their goal is to develop and build this business.

Expand it, yeah.

And then Singularity University, which I co-founded with Ray Kurzweil, is really around helping entrepreneurs get access to exponential technologies. computation, sensors, AI, robotics, 3D printing, synthetic biology, augmented virtual reality, blockchain, quantum computing. All of these technologies are openly available if you want to use them, can apply them. But these are all technologies that allow us to make our impact, you know, scale, you know, to a million fold, a billion fold. And my latest area MTP has been around extending the healthy human lifespan. So longevity. Longevity. Longevity of a healthy longevity.

Not just like suffering but living forever.

It's how do you and so I said a very simple first moonshot within that area. So I think about an MTP as the canvas you want to paint on. this is the area I want to.

Have an impact on.

And a moonshot is a very specific goal on that canvas. So in the near term, I'm focused on how do I add 30?

So for example, you want to impact a billion lives in a positive way is the overall-- Could be the old.

Canvas, your MTP, right?

But then the moonshot is very specific.

It's very specific. So moonshot is very specific. It's like numbers. Within 10 years, I want to do this thing to these many people and make this impact. So in the longevity space, I'm focused on how do I add 30 healthy years so that we have the aesthetics, we look good, the cognition, we're thinking clearly, and the mobility, we're moving clear, we have strength in our movement, at 100 that you had like at 60, right? So how do you make 100 years.

Old than me 60.

And so I spent a lot of time as an entrepreneur investing in that.

Area, building companies in that area.

Tony Robbins and I are writing our next book called Life Span, I'm sorry, called Life Force on that topic that will come out in 2021. And because it's possible, the breakthroughs that are coming out right now that are in phase one, phase two, phase three clinical trials are extraordinary. and I think we're really going to create a bump up in healthy-- Lifespan. Lifespan. So it's about health span, right? How do you remain healthy and vibrant? No one wants to live in a wheelchair, you know, with depends.

What do you think that we could get to with the technology and resources we have right now? What can someone who's alive right now get to?

Yeah, I think that which kind of-- It's a healthy-- yeah, I think this decade, 2020 through 2030, that we're gonna see a minimum of a 10-year addition to our lifespan. I think we can probably get 20 and I'm shooting for 30. But here's what's so important for people to realize, that we're living in a period of rapid exponential growth, where all of these technologies are doubling in power every 18 to 24 months. What we're seeing in AI, combined with quantum computing, combined with CRISPR and gene therapy and genome sequencing and all of these things, I think are going to enable us to understand aging as a disease, not as an inevitability.

Really? Yeah.

So, so that's...

So we've all had a disease our entire life.

Well, so here's a question, right? When I was in medical school, I was doing a joint MD, PhD program.

I ended up after the medical degree.

I stopped PhD and just got a master's because I was like, no one's gonna call me a doctor, doctor. And I remember watching this TV show on long-lived sea life that on Earth, certain species of sharks and whales and turtles can live 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 700 years.

No way.

Yeah.

Really?

So the question like the Greenland, like the Greenland Shark has a 500-year lifespan.

What?

Yeah.

And how do they even track that? You know, they have by looking at sharks that have harpoons still in them that were fresh. You can carbon date back 400 years back.

Holy cow.

Stuff like that.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

It is crazy. But at the end, why can they and why can't we? And I remember thinking it's either a hardware problem or software problem. And we're beginning to understand understand that. There's an amazing book by a friend, Dr. David Sinclair at Harvard who runs the Longevity Institute there. The book just came out called Lifespan. I commend it to everybody. And he talks about the information aging theory, the information theory of aging. And he believes, and he's brilliant, that we're entering a time where not only can we slow aging or stop aging, that the technology potentially exists to reverse aging.

-Wow.

-And so completely.

-To live hundreds of years.

-So here's, right, my mission. -Forever. -My mission and that for, you know, all of us should be to live as long a healthy life as we can. And as we do that, we will intercept more and more treatments and technology. The world is not standing still.

Right?

So it's still, I mean, honestly, when people say, what should I do? My answers are still sleep.

You need to be healthy.

You need seven at least, you know, I target eight hours of sleep.

Yeah.

As much as I, you know, I've gotten to the point where I respect sleep more than ever. There's an amazing another book called why We Sleep by Matthew Walker, beautiful book. The importance of sleep. human nature or nature would have evolved sleep away if it was possible, right? If a human species could live on less sleep, it'd be more productive, believe me, it's necessary. So sleep, eating right, and for me, that's a vegan diet, right? So I am-- how long have you been vegan for? About three years, thereabouts. And I think the evidence is damn strong. And, you know, listen, I'm not, it's not religious for me. I'll have some scrambled eggs or a piece of fish once in a while. But the third is exercise for sure. And then the fourth is mindset. You know, if you are, if you're excited about being alive, then you're going to live a life of purpose and meaning and contribution.

And build healthy relationships and have community.

Which and community is so expansive.

It expands life. Yeah, yeah.

So all these things, on top of those, those are what you need to do today. On top of those, there are a multitude of amazing pharmaceutical biotech technologies. Stem cells in the yeah, stem cells, with pathway manipulation, synthetic medicines, a whole slew of things that are in different stages of clinical trials.

Are you trying some of these yourself or?

Some.

But at the end, I think these are going to come online over the next three to five to ten years. So like I tell my friends, it's critically important for you to stay healthy. Don't die from something stupid over the next ten years. You can intercept these capabilities.

Yeah, so...

It'll probably start off extremely expensive and then it'll be affordable for the masses.

Like every technology is, right? The first cell phones cost a million bucks. and worked really shitty.

Right.

And then now there are 40 bucks and they work amazing and everybody on the planet's got one. And that's the normal process of technology. And so my MTPs have been opening up the space frontier, you know, positively impacting a billion people, AKA solving the world's grand challenges, and now extending the healthy human lifespan. And those become sort of what I think think about, what I'm passionate about, and where I start my companies, make my investments, and where I write about. And a lot of those are in, in my next book, the Future's Faster than youn Think, because that's what I pay attention to. I spend my world and my life tracking the amazing Tech developments. And what do those mean across every industry? What do those mean for us as parents, as entrepreneurs, as as humans.

And how does one start to? Because a lot of people will come to me and say, how do I discover my passion? How do I know what my mission is? How do I... What's the process? You said there's something from a pain or something from a love. So, I'll give you my... -So, I'll give you my creative process for people to do that whether they've had it once and now they lost their mission. They're looking for something new.

-So, I've got a community called My Abundance Digital Community.

It's a community of entrepreneurs that I coach every day, every week.

And so I work with them on finding their MTP. And some of the tricks is to say, listen, what did you want to do when you were a kid? Before the world, your teachers, your parents told you you couldn't do. Because you can make a career out of anything. and what do you bring this childlike amazement to the world? So you're like on fire, you're a kid, I love this. It's like I love my life, I truly do in so many different dimensions because I'm playing all the time. So that's the first thing I'll chat with my entrepreneurs around. The second thing is if I were to give you a billion dollars and said, listen, I want you to make the world a better place. You've got a billion dollars to spend.

Spend.

You can't spend on yourself, nothing frivolous, make the world a better place. What would you do with it? And you can educate, you can help different groups around the world, you can make people healthier, you can stop poaching, whatever it is, right? What areas light you up? And third, who do you want to be a hero to? Who do you want to be a hero to? Who do you want to make proud of you. Is it entrepreneurs? Is it young women? Is it old people? Is it your heritage? What is that? And so these are questions that one can ask to get some reflection. And then I'm saying, okay, within those questions, find something. Find something that is an experiment. Write down a massively transformative purpose. So my overall all MTP, that I will say to myself every day in the shower, every morning, or two or three times a day, right? I will say, Listen, I see, hear, feel, and know that the purpose of my life is to inspire and guide the transformation of humanity on and off the earth, right? So, I am about inspiring people like that, and guiding people. are going to create a transformation of the human race, where we are in the midst of this massive transformation as exponential technologies are accelerating. And we are going to be creating this transformation on and off the earth. And my mission is inspiring and guiding entrepreneurs to make the world a better place. I think entrepreneurs, leaders are all about finding and solving problems. And the more entrepreneurs finding problems, solving problems, the more problems get solved, the world the world gets better. So find an MTP statement that you can write down, memorize, inspire and guide the transformation of humanity on and off the earth. The off-the-earth place to the nine-year-old kid in me, right?

Because that's your dream.

That's my dream. And so inspiring and guiding is what I love to do on the stage, in the world, wherever it might be. And then try out your MTP, share it with your husband, wife, boyfriend, girlfriend, kids, whatever it is, to the people that you're most embarrassed to share it with and see how it feels in your heart. You have to be able to say it proudly, consistently, without reservation, because it then becomes guiding you as to where.

You go, what you do or don't do.

It becomes a clear, bright line about This is inside of it. This is not. Anyway, that's.

Wow. Have you ever doubted yourself?

Of course.

And when do you have those moments of doubt?

So.

I am the bigger you go, the greater your moonshots. The more the doubt mounts and at the end you have to accept that failure is an option otherwise you're stuck in incrementalism. I teach this and I say, listen, the day before something is truly a breakthrough, it's a crazy idea. So if if you're trying to create something and it's not a crazy idea for most everybody else, it's not going to be a breakthrough. It'll be an expected small incremental improvement. Like if people say, yeah, sure, of course. You know, you can increase your sales by 10% or 20%. I think you can work harder, you can do the right thing. But if I said, listen, I'm going to 10x by a thousand, I'm going to go increase by a thousand percent, or I'm going to create something It's like that's a crazy notion.

And in.

Order for you to really drive a breakthrough you have to be willing to step over the line into crazy and not know how you're gonna get there.

How do we figure out the knowing?

So I think ultimately you have to be, you have to get to a point of is it impossible? Meaning am I disobeying the laws of physics here?

Right.

Is there some evidence to show that this is possible? Doesn't have to be direct evidence, but someone else in a different area has done something of the same scale or there's some analogy, right? There's something to say that this is possible. I don't know how to get there. I'm not 100% sure I can, but the fact that these things have done something similar gives me the belief that I can. There's a fundamental belief, and now I just have to figure it out. So in bold, I tell the stories for Richard Branson and Larry Page and Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos and look at billionaire thinking at scale. And it's from a fundamental perspective.

Each.

Of them have their own leap of faith, right? And it's kind of crazy and yet you create the future, right? I have a whole set of Peter's laws and one of them is the best way to predict the future is create it yourself, right? And we create the future all the time, but it's hard.

It's really hard.

It's friggin' hard.

Everyone's against you except for maybe a few people, right?

And.

The chances of success are potentially low. And so how do you, it has to be something you're sufficiently willing to pursue. The energy has to be there, right? So a few of my ventures like Zero Gravity Corporation, which we use parabolic flights to fly Stephen Hawking and so many people and the X Prize Foundation. I mean, they were decade-long problems and the companies crashed and burned, you know, dozens of times. There were hundreds of nos.

Yeah. Wow.

But it's like, it's like my energy, it's like three o'clock in the morning looking literally myself in the mirror and saying, I refuse to give up. And that kind of energy is what it takes to keep going. But we're talking about one day being able to reverse the age of the body by 50-75%. We do that in mice now. We can cure old age blindness and this kind of stuff. But importantly, what can we do now to stay alive till those technologies come online five, ten years from now? I believe that when you eat is just as important as what you eat.