#5: Chaufa Nguyen, Mindset Coach

Getting them tangible results, getting that feedback just gave me all the confidence in myself that I can do this.

Welcome everyone, this is, um, episode— I don't even know if like, is it an episode? Is it like a show?

I don't know, whatever you want it to be, it's your thing.

Yeah, so we're gonna call it an episode. That just keeps Flowing. So this is episode 4, and we have Chauffe here with us today for the Aligned Coach interview series. I'm so excited to have you on. So tell us a little bit about what you do, who you are. Give us, give us your story. Give us the juice.

Yeah, let me try to make this as concise as possible. So I'm an online mindset coach, and I work with online female entrepreneurs, helping them overcome imposter syndrome, which is huge. And it's something that I personally dealt with. I'm sure it resonates with you, and it has resonated with almost every single person that I've come into conversation with. So, um, I've really leaned into working specifically on imposter syndrome with them so that they can show up as themselves inside of their business and know that that is ultimately what is going to allow them to make money inside of their business, is when they're just being themselves and attracting the right people.

Yep. Oh my gosh, we— I just did an interview this morning with Emily. She is a VA coach, and we were talking about this exact thing. She was sharing about how she, um, used to laugh at people like doing the mindset work, and she's like, mindset work, whatever. And then like whenever you get into it, you just realize like, oh my God, I can have all of the strategy in the world, I can, you know, know how to do all the tech stuff, I can have all the things and checking the boxes, but like if my head's not in the right space And if I don't feel like, okay, I have the ability and I can do this, that none of it's going to succeed, right? Because it's just like fighting against the current sort of. So do you see that a lot in your clients? What do you hear from your clients a lot that are dealing with that?

What you just said, Lynn's like, I literally got goosebumps because that was my journey with my own business. So before I chat about my own clients, just my own personal journey with launching my business, when I first started, I was in a very different niche. I was pursuing workplace consulting and that's what I had pursued in university and that was what I wanted to do and launched my business, did all the things, business strategy, right? Funnels, online marketing, da da da da, all of the tech stuff and the strategy. But I struggled so much with getting clients and I'm like, what the heck? I have all the things. I've got a business infrastructure and the systems. Why is it not working? And then fast forward to COVID, COVID hit, workplaces went to crap. Obviously everything was shut down.

Yeah.

So it allowed me the space and the time to reevaluate what it is that I truly wanted to do. And that's when I realized mindset coaching, this is what I'm passionate about. And it was what I always wanted to do, but I didn't feel like it was enough.

And then your mindset was like, wait, nobody wants this. Yeah.

Oh dear, sorry, stupid Android Siri is talking to me.

I don't know why.

So when I took the shift and allowed myself to just do work that I was truly passionate about, getting past my own insecurities and imposter syndrome, that's when things clicked, right? That's when I started signing clients. That's when my business took off. It wasn't when I had the systems in place because I had that initially, but it was the mindset work that made the world of a difference.

Yep. And there's only so much strategy you can learn, right? There's only so many, um, integrations and so much tech and stuff. And then it's like, there's not— there's no more strategy to learn. I would say honestly, like, in the last 4 or 5 months, I've not learned any more strategy. Like, it's not been anything else to implement. It's just been constant mindset work. And that's when my business has really grown the most, in the last 4 or 5 months, because of that, you know, because I It's like, um, and I just shared about it a while ago. Anyone that's gonna watch this from Instagram, I literally just did a story on how I started promoting something on Friday. It's actually a program that I put out several months ago, and I'm running like a little special on it. And Tofa, right after I announced this on Friday, I had like this voice in the back of my head, and it was like late Friday night, and I was so excited about it. And it was like, as soon as I hit like publish, it was like, who wants to hear that? No one wants that. Who do you think you are? Why are you doing this? And it was like, oh my gosh. And I didn't even know where it come from, you know? So like, how do you deal with that? How would you tell your clients that like, you know, and I'm sure like even with yourself, like what do you do?

I think about What are the consequences if I don't follow through? Yeah, I really stop as much as I can, silence those thoughts for a second and ask myself that really tough question. What are the consequences if I don't do this for myself? And those consequences are far worse than whatever fear or doubts or insecurities that you could possibly be feeling.

Yeah, yep. What came up for me— so, and I'm just like speaking from personal experience— like, what came up for me was why, like, why did I do that, right? So what was— I like try to think, what was the purpose in me promoting this, right? And ultimately, it always has to do with like serving my community, showing up for the women that need me, like. And it's like, okay, how do I connect whatever it was that scared me to like whatever my— what I called it was like my core truth. So like my core truth is to just help women build like heart-centered money-making businesses. So I'm like, okay, does that action that's that like scared the shit out of me, does that help me do that? And it was like, yeah, of course it does. And like, yeah, that was scary. And yeah, it made me get really uncomfortable. And I don't even know why because I show up all the time with stuff. So do you still feel that in your business? Even though you've been doing this for a long time, do you still feel that voice come up?

Absolutely. It's like I talked about this on my IG story actually earlier today because I was featuring one of my clients. And it really doesn't matter what stage you're at in your journey of entrepreneurship or just life in general, right? The more you grow, the more successful you get, whatever it is, there's just going to be a different layer. Now to it, right? It's just going to be a different thought, right? And you, you totally just hit the nail on the head. It's like you're successful and yet you still have these voices. And likewise for me, like, you know, I'm at a certain place in my business where I didn't know I would be at, but now I'm here. And now it's like, now the next layer of thoughts are coming, the next challenge for you. So it's forever shifting, but you just get better and better at recognizing when that voice comes up.

Yep. And, and knowing how to navigate it. So I would say like the biggest change, um, once again from personal experience, but like the biggest shift was, you know, say 9 months ago I would have just froze and I wouldn't have known how to navigate it or how to like dig into it and to like, well, what is this telling me and what do I do with this, you know? So it's like now I know that it's just, it's it's, you know, just ups and downs. And like with every up comes a down, and then you have to go back up. So now I sort of know what to expect, you know. Um, and it's like what you said, there's a new level, or like a new, new thoughts, and, um, like a new layer to unsurface. But it's like new level, new devil, you know.

Yes, exactly. Yeah. And what you said, um, in terms of navigating it, I think That's what I've learned more than anything is realizing that every time that sort of doubt or that fear comes up, it's not always a negative thing. Before, it used to feel that way only if you felt that response or that high emotional arousal where you're like, oh, this can't be a good thing. But after so many experiences going through that, you realize that you're on the verge of change. Right? But you don't— like, your body is not telling you that, right? It's saying— it's like, oh, this is scary, this is negative. Like, no, no, no, right? So I think in hindsight, just now being able to navigate it better, having those reactions but knowing this is a good thing. Like, this is what I want to feel because it means I'm on the brink of something potentially really great.

Exactly. Yes. I just had a conversation with a client about that exact same thing, like, uh, like last week, and we were talking about how Whenever we go— because I mean, it happens, I would say like at least once a month, you know. And I can— it's almost like a cycle now. It's like, okay, whenever I go down or whenever I have these things, I do know that like come up is so good. Like the come up is like, yes! And it's always some kind of like some type of like download or like revelation or something. So yeah, you're so right about that. And it's like you can— you know that as it's happening now.

Yeah. And not being paralyzed by it anymore. Right. Just taking it in stride and, and also acknowledging that I don't need to have 10 steps figured out, just the next step. That's it. And then trust the process and then things just like, you know, they just happen.

Yes. Yes. Okay. So I want to know, you said that you went to school for like professional, like career development type thing. How in the world did you end up as an online business owner? Like, I— this question, you know, it's always different for everyone, and then again, it always has like some like thematic similarities. So how did you end up here?

Um, so I went to school for psychology. I did my BA, um, in psych, and then I spent a year doing my thesis on specifically workplace mental health. I was very passionate about mental health, specifically like in the hospitality and service industry because it's very prevalent mental health issues there. And it's often like an industry that's negated. They're not given the same benefits that say 9 to 5 corporate jobs are given. So super passionate about that. That's what I wanted to pursue. Plan was after I graduated from university, like any other university graduate, you feel like that's not enough education. I can't do anything with this. I just spent 5 years full time learning all this, but I still feel like I'm not, not good enough. So Applied to grad school thinking I would have to go get my master's and my PhD. Long story short, all I got was rejection letters from all the schools that I applied to, and it was such a blow to my ego. I was completely knocked sideways, like, what do I do with my life now, right? I was waiting for permission from someone else to validate what it is that I could ultimately do. So took all those rejections, cried a lot, ate a lot of ice cream, went into a little dark hole, and then came out realizing my options are, you know, reapply for grad school next year hoping that maybe this time around it's going to work, or figure it out for yourself. And that's what I did. And, you know, pretty much a year and a half later, here we are. Right, and did it on my own accord and went in a path that truly, truly feels like in alignment with me now. And it's been the most rewarding experience of my life.

Wow, that is so cool. So I actually started out as a psych major. Oh, cool. Yeah, and then, you know, things happened. I had my first child, got married, you know, go through life, right? So then I ended up, um, going, like, graduating with my teaching degree. But my, my goal, like, the very first— what I was super passionate about was psych, and it was industrial organization, and I wanted to go to grad school.

And like, oh my God, are we freaking sisters? That's literally what I applied for in grad school was IO, IO psych.

Wow, wow, wow, that is so cool. Um, so, so yeah, and it actually snuck back in. Like, that thought came up as I was getting ready to quit my teaching job this year. And at like— it was like a few weeks, and I talked about this earlier today. Wow. Okay, so after I put in my notice, a few weeks later I had these thoughts like, what am I doing? I need to ask for my job back. I applied for other jobs. I even thought about going back to school. So I was going to start looking— actually, I was, I was literally like Googling on, um, what is the website that does the um, Reddit. I was on Reddit looking at, you know, comparing degrees and like, should I pursue clinical psychology or like IO and all this stuff. So wow, like divine freaking timing. And yeah, I definitely agree, like things just happen the way that— I don't, I don't know if I agree with like the saying things happen for a reason, but I do think that like things are just like placed in your life and it's like up to you to make the best out of it, and it's up to you to find the silver lining and to grow from it.

Yeah. And to also just be open. Yeah. You can have the end goal, but the approach may be different from what you had originally planned. Like, case in point, both of us, right?

Yep. So I'm sure that the goal for me was always to just help people. I just want to help people, right? So whether that was through grad school or through teaching and now coaching, it's always the same. It's always to help people. And I'm sure that you can relate. You just want to help people.

Absolutely. And it's like when you're earlier on in the stages of your business, it's hard to— how do you monetize that? What does that mean? It's like, I just want to help people, but how am I going to pay my bills?

Right.

And then somehow through, you know, self-discovery and personal development and all of your own work, you realize that you just being you has value.

Yeah, it really does. I think that that's one of like one of the first realizations that is like so important in your coaching journey, or, you know, you go to start your own business, it's like, wait a minute, like I don't have to be an expert, I don't have to have the fancy degree to just help people and to just like put my, put my services out there. Like whatever skill I have that comes natural to me, not everyone has that and other people will pay for it.

Right? Exactly. And I, that was like probably the biggest realization I had during COVID when I took this pivot from wanting to do workplace consulting when I had initially started my business to just mindset coaching in that I felt like it had to be really extravagant. I felt like it had to be really complicated in order for it to be valuable. So, you know, workplace consulting, I was going to change the lives of employees and employers and make them more money and help resolve all these mental health issues. And it's like, what the fuck? That's a lot.

Yeah. For one woman.

Yeah.

Right.

And then when I stripped it all away, it was just, I just want to help one person, one person with one thing. Right. And then that's when my business just took off and, you know, that was it.

I love that. I love that so much. What was the first, um, so were you working or were you— I know that you were like seeking grad school and stuff, so were like you working? Did you quit your job? Did you, you know, like how did that transition happen for you?

I was, uh, I was working full-time like throughout all of my university years and then, um, also working full-time. I worked in the hospitality industry for the last 15 years and retired from hospitality at the start of COVID which was amazing.

Sorry. No, that— I'm just like, yeah, totally. I also worked like in the hospitality world, restaurant.

So yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah. So that was my background. And then that's why I became so passionate about helping hospitality and restaurants and bars, because that was my background. I saw all the behind the scenes stuff and you can relate the stresses that employers have to undergo every single shift. So underappreciated and all of those things. So, um, as I launched my business, I was still working full-time, and then COVID hit, got laid off, didn't have an option, and then had a pivot, and then just made it work.

Just made it work. I love it. You just get it done. You just make it work. Yes. And no one was there. Like, no one was there to say, all right, this is the perfect time. Okay, go all in. It was like, no, this is, this is what it is, what it is. And I've just got to make it work. Yeah.

Like, we're going to kick you to the curb and now you're going to figure it out. I've had incredible mentors and business coaches that have shifted my journey and influenced me tremendously. So I can't take credit for all of it, but Yes, absolutely. It was at the point where kind of like do or die now, right? And once you lose your job, you have to, you have to make it work.

Yep, absolutely, 100%. And ultimately it was like, yeah, you had the coaches and you had the mentors, but ultimately it was you, you know. You were the one that made the decision to show up every single day, you know, in some way to like move forward, move your business forward. And you know, that, that's all a decision. It's like a series of decisions every single day. Like, there is no, um, crack in the code. Like, there is no secret sauce. It's literally just consistency.

Absolutely. You couldn't be more true. Consistency and making that decision, right? That what you see for yourself, you know, your potential, the outcomes that you want are way bigger than any of the fears that you could be experiencing, like, in this moment.

Yes, so good, so good. Okay, so what would you say to anyone that's like sort of got like this idea about starting their coaching business? They're like, I'm kind of curious about this. Like, where would you even tell them to start? Like, what would you say to them?

Where to start when they have like the idea of business?

Yeah, they're like, I think I have something, like, I want to help people, but, you know, I'm working and I don't know anything about the online world. I, I, you know, I remember starting mine, like I wouldn't even show up like on my stories showing my face, like, like posting a selfie was very scary for me. So what would you say to someone that was like that, that, you know, didn't— that was afraid of the online world?

I mean, I think the first thing is like finding a community for yourself. Or even just one person, one person that could relate to what it is that you're going through. And the online space can be so daunting because you naturally see so many people that are really successful and you're thinking, well, they're way too far beyond my years or where I'm at to be able to want to help me. But getting past your ego and just, you know, reaching out and asking simple questions and picking people's brains, you know, people love talking about themselves. Okay. So if you ask them about their journey and what, you know, what's one thing that you could share with me, people most often are willing to do that. Right. And then I think the second thing I realized that helped me overcome imposter syndrome or feeling like I didn't really know what I was doing was just offering to do what it is that I wanted to do for free first.

Right.

Getting a lot of experience underneath my belt so that before I felt comfortable charging people, I wanted to make sure that I was able to do something of value and helping clients, free clients, putting in the work and the hours, really understanding what my process was, getting them tangible results, getting that feedback just gave me all the confidence in myself that I can do this. Yep.

And it's so, it just like lights a fire under your ass whenever you realize that like you can help people. And whenever you see them getting the results, and like, I remember my first clients, they would like send me messages like, thank you so much, Lindsay. Like, you're on the right path. Like, you know, thank you for helping me. And yeah, it changes everything just to know that like, oh, people do want what I have. Oh, people do like working with me. Yeah.

Yep.

Exactly.

It's the feedback, right? Because we're so stuck in the confines of our own brains thinking all these things about ourselves and we don't realize the value that we have. And like you said, you don't have to be an expert. But if you're 2, 3 steps ahead of someone else, you have value to add to them. You have insight and perspective that you can provide.

That's so good. Yeah, I like to say that you only have to be 2 steps ahead of like your dream client, right? You know, you don't have to be 10,000 steps ahead of them. You don't have to be like mega successful or whatever. Like just 2 steps, 2 steps ahead of someone. That's it, that's it. That's literally it. Yes, so good, so good. Okay, so what would you, if you could go back and like change something that you did, like what would you change? Or what has been like a huge learning curve for you? Or like, you know, what would you tell younger naive Tofa, you know, if you could?

Oh, what would I change? I honestly don't think I would change anything, but I think maybe the voice in my head, I would have accepted help earlier. Because it's— I viewed getting help from someone, or even family, friends, anything like that, as a sign of weakness, right? Like, oh well, if you can't figure this out for yourself, then you're not smart, or you're too weak, or you're— you can't manage this on your own. When you can't expect yourself to know everything or have all the answers, and when you collaborate with other people and you get their support, it makes the world of a difference. And you don't feel so alone either. So I think that that would be, in hindsight, my biggest learning lesson, is that get over yourself, get over your ego, and ask for help.

Yep, get over yourself. I love it. Get over yourself. Yeah. And especially, like, I, I, I can feel that you're just like a very independent person, like you're an independent woman, you know. You've worked full-time, like you went you know, 5 years of schooling and like on the— like very ambitious. So I can, you know, it was probably sort of like a wake-up call, like, okay, like I need help. It's okay. This does not make me weak. It doesn't make me, you know, any less successful or ambitious, you know. And it was like, okay, this is, this is just part of it. This is what I need. Yeah, just ask for help.

Yeah, and you're totally right. It's— it— I find that so common in a lot of the clients that I work with, especially if they're really ambitious or they're motivated or they place, you know, their value or their worth on their achievements, which I did for so long, right? When you're in school, that's just the mentality, right? External validation. What is the grade that I'm getting? What is it that I'm achieving? So when I got to the place where I realized, get over yourself or you're not going to get anywhere, right? If you're not willing to ask for help, you're not going to get anywhere. And you also, just out of integrity, how are you supposed to help other people if you're not even willing to receive help yourself?

Yep, absolutely. If you're not open to it or you have the, the blocks, right, and the mindset shifts that need to happen. Yeah. Oh, so good, so good. And you know what else, like, speaking about— this is often a little tangent, but speaking on external validation, I think that even whenever you go into the online world, it is easy to attach to those external factors, whether it's clients signed, whether it's followers, or, um, dollar amounts, or how much money you made. Like, it is easy, especially like you said, if we're used to getting this validation from grades and from achievements, it's easy to attach to those things. So for me, I have put in like a ton of work to detach from that stuff. So have you, have you experienced that, like attaching to the clients or the dollar amount or all of those And what was that like for you, if so?

I think when it comes to coaches, it's hard to detach yourself from the outcomes that your clients will or will not achieve, right? Or the results that they experience or the shifts or the transformations. And what I've learned is that I can show up 150% for you. I can provide you with knowledge, education on psychological concepts and mindset training and CBT and yada yada, But ultimately, the person that has the most power in this situation to change your situation is yourself or your client, right? So you can do everything that you can, but ultimately the buck stops at them and what it is that they're prepared to do and the work and the energy they're going to put in. So learning not to internalize that and that that's not representative of your value and what you can do for someone.

Yep, absolutely. Like, their success or their, um, their gains, right, their progress— it's like, of course you are invested into their growth, but you're not dependent on that, right? It's like, I think it's over-responsibility or something. I remember hearing about this once, um, because I was feeling that way, you know. I was like, oh, my clients aren't getting to where I want them to. Like, what am I doing wrong? What am I? And it was like, wait a minute, hold on, you know, everyone's journey is different, right? Like, like, my journey was different, and that doesn't, that doesn't, um, change my worth. That doesn't change how good of a coach I am or anything like that. Like, as long as I'm showing up for them, I know that my program is, it's, it's good. Like, it's gotten the results before, you know. So I think that that's— and it can take, like, it can take you time also to get to that point to where you can separate yourself, because in the beginning, like, we, you know, we like those texts. We're Hey, look what I did. And look, you know, you're so great. Thank you so much. So those things produce just like a high for us, right? We get dopamine from it and we, and we get this, this euphoric feeling from it. So it's like you do have to make like a conscious effort to separate from it, you know?

Yeah, it takes conscious work, especially in the beginning stages when, like you said, it's that state of euphoria and like every client win is a personal win.

Oh yeah.

So realizing that you are not personally responsible for that.

Yep. So true. So true. Okay. So tell us like if someone, who do you work with? I know that you work with online entrepreneurs. So does that mean like coaches? Does it mean like copywriters? Like tell us more about who it is that you work with and like what do you help them do?

I, my gamut of like entrepreneurs that I've worked with has kind of varied. I've worked with coaches, I've worked with creatives, I've worked with business owners that have e-commerce or product-based businesses, service-based businesses, and they all kind of fluctuate in terms of where they're at in their journey. So some of them are brand spanking new, you know, the imposter syndrome is real, right? And then others that are really successful, but they don't know what they need to do to get to the next level. Yeah.

Or they're feeling like— do you ever have people that are like feeling unfulfilled even though they're like mega, you know, they're super successful, check all the boxes, but they're like, this doesn't feel good or something?

Yeah, absolutely. So what I do is really just helping them figure out, you know, number one, what is your why? Like, why is this important to you? Because, you know, all of us can say, I want an online business, I want to work remotely, I want to make money while I'm sleeping, yada yada, but There's so much more that needs to drive you beyond the money because that will fade when it gets ugly and it gets really, really hard. The money's going to fade, right? You have to have that core unshakable belief in your why and your purpose and what your contribution is to this world. So helping them really unravel what that means when it comes to their business, right? Because as entrepreneurs, again, you're relating your worth to the business. What the business is generating. And then all of the mindset beliefs that are stopping them from taking the actions they know they need to take to get to where they want, whether that's finally just launching their business or scaling it and growing their business further.

Yeah, that's awesome. That is so awesome. I love that you also, you said that I work with people that are in the brand new stages and then, and it ranges, and it's like, hey, it's another reminder that it doesn't, just stop once you hit a certain level, right? Like, it's another confirmation that like, oh, I'm normal. Oh, this is normal to be experiencing this. You know, even people that have been in it for years and years, like, they're still dealing with, you know, thoughts of imposter syndrome or, um, up-level syndrome. Or, uh, oh, have you ever— have you ever read the book, um, The Big Leap?

No, I haven't.

So it— I haven't finished it, but I started on it, and it talks about how whenever you get to a certain level, from what I've gotten so far into it, about, you know, whenever you're, you're either in a corporate job or in your own business and you get to a certain level, how, um, like your creativity gets blocked. But it's like your— it's like an internal— I could be, I could be totally like, like messing this up. It's like how—

so don't worry, we won't tag the author in this.

Oh, someone else has read this, feel free to drop like a no, that's wrong, let me tell you. But it's basically like we put this limit on ourselves, you know. So say that we had a goal for the month and then you hit the goal, or that you're close to hitting the goal, and then it's like it becomes easy to you, so then you make it hard on yourself, you know what I mean? Like subconsciously you start making it hard for yourself because we always want to be fighting against something. I don't know, obviously I need to finish the book, but it's like we always want to be like working towards something. So, so like whenever— so for example, whenever like your business becomes easy, well then all of a sudden you take a dip in business, or, or it just feels really, really hard that month. But it's like because subconsciously we're making it harder on ourselves to make it feel like we're actually progressing. Does that make sense?

Yeah, no, absolutely. It, it kind of makes me think about one of my clients that, um, One of her biggest struggles is she's a graphic designer. She's very, very talented at what she does, but her work is so easy for her now that she doesn't see the value in it anymore. That's what she really struggled with was that she's like, if it's so easy for me, why would other people pay me for this? Or why are they gonna see value? And I'm like, it's easy for you because you spent years and years developing your craft and your skill, right? But to other people like myself, I can't do any of that at all, right? So I think this sort of ties on to what you're— oh yeah, yeah, slightly different tangent.

I think we're somewhere in there. Yeah, yeah, it's like whenever we're operating like in our zone of genius, it does come natural to us. So then it feels boring, even it feels like invaluable, it feels like, well, Yeah, I mean, it comes second nature to us, you know? Um, so why would other people want to learn about this? Why do they want this whenever, like, everybody should get this?

Yeah. Yes, okay, thank you for coming full circle.

Oh my gosh, okay, so clearly I need to finish the book. I, um, I think his name is Hendrix. Gay Hendrix is the name. It has like a little goldfish on it jumping over. It was like this book that everyone was raving about not too long ago, and then I— so I bought the book on eBay I started it, never finished it. I have a very— I have a habit of like starting books and then getting like halfway through and getting bored with them, or like jumping ship and going to something else. So yeah, I need to come back to that one, um, and I'll give y'all an update.

Yes, please do. I want to hear the, the ending and the conclusion of this.

So, so when that happens, what we should do—

yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. We probably won't be nominated for book reviews but that's okay.

Oh my gosh, so I have a Goodreads account. Do you have a Goodreads account? A what? Okay, okay, so it is like this— apparently for like avid readers they have this account where they go log their books and write book reviews. And so I got one because I do like to read. I don't even hang with these kids in there though. Like, I— they, they are like outcasting me. So they'll write like these huge long book reviews and I'm— I just give it a thumbs up, 5 stars, like that's it.

I mean, I'm an avid bookworm, like I read a lot, but I'm not one to like go write a whole thing.

And yeah, yeah, it's like a whole book club.

Seriously, I have a solo book club, it's called Chof's Book Club. It's just me though, and I just share my favorite personal development and like mindset books.

I love it. I guess I have— like, do you literally have a club, or we're just—

well, like, I like— well, when I say club, I mean like I use the hashtag Chose Book Club.

Oh, I love it. Okay, I'm gonna go follow it now. What book are you reading? Or like, what was your most recent read? What, what's on the list?

Most recent read? Um, the book I'm reading right now, I'm not super crazy about, but the one prior to this that I had been— I raved about and I finished it in a weekend because it was so good. The Soul of Money. Oh, um, and it's by Lynn Twist. It's an older book, but she talks about money mindset and our relationship with money and how that influences our relationships with people, with ourselves. It's incredible, like life-changing book.

It's so good. I have been working on some money mindset stuff lately, so that one's definitely on the list.

It's so good, Lindsay. Like, honestly, one of my top 3 books, probably.

Oh, okay, okay. I'm sold, I'm sold. A book that I start and finish.

Okay, trust me, like, I— yeah, I was hooked and I finished it so quickly because I'm like, oh my God, this is like so many good nuggets. And like, I just kept like writing down all of her sentences basically verbatim because I like to take notes notes after I read books so that I can have the thoughts and really have them sink in and think about them and reflect on them. But I was like, I felt like I was rewriting the whole book. I'm like, oh my God, this is a bit much. But it's an incredible book.

I have to buy my books, like my self-development and business books now, because I like to highlight in them and write notes in them so much that I— yeah, I just have to buy them from like eBay or from the other bookstores because Yeah, and I, I like to take notes. I'm a note-taker and a highlighter and like all of those things, and that's, that's how I like ingrain it, you know.

So that's what they also teach you in school, right? Like taking notes, like doing the actual act of— well, you're a teacher, you would know. So the act of doing that helps to cement what it is that you're learning.

Yep. And especially the taking notes afterwards and like putting it in your own words and like re— kind of reteaching it to yourself. Yeah.

Awesome reminder.

Yes. Okay, so enough about our like book nerdiness, but, um, I am so glad that you came on today. This has been a really awesome conversation. So Tofa, if someone like— if we're an online entrepreneur or someone that's just starting their business, or if they've been into it a while and they're like, oh my gosh, like I just really need some help, I need some guidance, um, and they wanted to explore working with you, how could they do that?

Yeah, you can find me on Instagram at @chofinhuynh and just send me a DM. I feel like I'm— I try to be as approachable as possible, and what you see online is what you get. And I'm, I'm very, very open to having conversations with anybody and being able to just provide clarity or perspective wherever you're at in your journey. Like, for me, reaching out to people that were just a few steps ahead of me was invaluable, just to give me some sort of insight.

Right?

You don't know, you don't know, right? So just be able to ask questions, put yourself out there, and I'm more than happy to answer any questions at all that anybody would have.

I love that, and that is so genuine too. I know that that's genuine.

Yeah, absolutely.

That's awesome. So anyone that works with Tofa, anyone that reaches out, I know that you're in good hands. Um, and yeah, thank you all for watching, and thank you for being here, Tofa.

Thank you, I had the best time ever.

This was fun, this was so much fun. Well, we're gonna have to do it again.

Yes, I cannot wait.