#9: Liz McNairy, Empowerment Coach & Yoga Teacher

I think that's kind of easier said than done sometimes, but it's just like, you know, in our hearts, the depth of our heart, there is direction and we know what we need to do.

Welcome back everyone, um, to the Aligned Coach interview series. I have an amazing guest here with us today. This is Liz McNary. Liz is— oh my goodness, so I was creeping her profile and stuff and she's got it on. She's school counselor, yoga teacher, empowerment and wellness coaching. Yeah. So Liz, tell us who you are. Give us, give us the details. I cannot wait to jump into this interview.

Yeah. Well, thank you, Lindsay, for having me. I'm so excited to be here and it's been really great to see and pop into some of your interviews that you've already done so far. I love what you're doing and I've just loved getting to meet some of the other women who you've interviewed. So super excited to be here. And yeah, I love to also like hearing the different things that I've been up to because I haven't really stopped to think about like all the things that I've done. And it's just kind of like where I'm at right now is where my mindset's been, which, you know, it's great to be in the present moment and it's also great to have that time to reflect and this time of year, you know, set goals for moving forward too. So yes, I'm currently working as a school counselor. In the past, I have worked as a mental health clinician. And worked full-time as an entrepreneur with our business, my husband's business, Nahi Wellness, where we served people through yoga, meditation, workshops, training, certification programs, and more. And before that, I was a school counselor again. So I've really kind of been in this habit of just kind of being in the flow of life and And it's funny, you know, this year the word pivot just continues to pop up and people are asking, how are you pivoting in your business? And I think, you know, when I started seeing that, I was kind of like, wait, we've been pivoting since I can remember.

Life is a pivot. Yeah.

Yeah. So I guess that's kind of a brief intro and I know we'll, we'll dive deeper as we go on here today.

Yeah, that is so— I love what you said, um, you know, just about like you sometimes lose track of what you've done. It's like, oh yeah, like these are all things, these are all aspects of me also. But like right now you're just really basking in the presence, you know, basking in the right now. That's really where I have found myself this month as well. I don't know if it's just like 2020 has just been, um, it's been a lot, right? And not even just a negative, like it's been a lot of positive also. It's been a huge pivot in many ways, you know, a lot of really cool stuff has happened this year. Um, so I too, like, during the month of December so far, I've just really like just rested in many ways, you know, like, um, the interview series, of course, that's been like my main project. But yeah, I like that. So do you— is it just like a right now thing for you? Is it like a season where you're just like, oh yeah, this is just what I need?

Yeah, yeah, I guess so. For me, it kind of goes into my story, or, um, I kind of feel like it's been my awakening for my life. So when I was in my final year of college, my dad was diagnosed with cancer and he passed away in 2 short months. And so I was on this trajectory for my life and, you know, I had all of the pit stops in my mind and they, you know, looked a certain way, certain people were there, certain things were happening, and all of the details were there in my mind. And when that happened, it just like pulled the rug out from under me. Suddenly all of those stops looked different, and it was like, okay, well, now what do I do with my life? And for, you know, a short time, it got really scary, and I thought, you know, do I even want to continue with life? And is it even possible for me to, to keep going? You know, that sense of hope and, um, you know, all those positive things that we yearn for were not there for me. And so, you know, thankfully I had really amazing support systems in my life that helped to just remain open to a new possibility and a future that was there for me that looked different than I had thought, but it was there and it was yet to be written. So, you know, I thought, okay, I'm going to go to school, finish my psychology degree and be this great researcher. And in my mind I was like, I know for a fact I don't want to work with people. Like that was my one for sure. And, um, Of course that changed.

Yeah.

And I just felt like my, um, my dharma or my, you know, my vocation, like a deeper sense of purpose that was this combination of what I want and what I'm made to do, kind of opened up. And so, you know, it's funny, we were talking before we went live, and that for me was just, okay, it's my duty to help people. Like, that's That's it. I don't know what that means, what that looks like, all the details. I don't have them, but I know that that's what I've got to do.

Wow. So that is crazy. You go from, I don't know what I'm going to do, but it's not going to be to work with people. And now it's like, okay, I just want to help people. I don't know what that looks like. You know? And, and like literally all of the things, quote unquote, that you do from counseling to coaching to teaching yoga and things. Um, those are all with people, right? Life is so ironic sometimes.

Exactly.

Yeah. So I actually started out as a major in psychology as well. I have an associate's degree in psych, which is like nothing if you think about how long you really need to go to school for, for to have a career in psychology. Um, but I do think that like there's something about— and I had— did you watch the interview with Chofa?

I did. I saw some of it.

Yeah, so she is also a psych— she was also a psych major. And I think it's like the world of coaching, in my opinion— I may be a little biased— but it is like the best because you just get to help people in whatever, um, fashion that looks like, right? Like whether it's you want to do help them in their business or you want to help them with their health or with their thoughts or whatever. I see that a lot of people, um, who came from like the background of psychology or counseling or even teaching, right? So I told you before the interview I had met a lot of teachers lately that like the world of coaching is just like the best of both because you can make it yours, you know, like you get to, um, just like build your business in whatever way you want, you know?

Right. Well, and part of what I really loved about your title, The Aligned Coaching Series, is that it's like aligning to your specific, you know, desires or your specific niche. Like, when I first started to become aware of the life of coaching, to me it was just, you know, you're a coach, you're a life coach, or, you know, right, just the one pool to swim in. And what I think is really cool now is that there's so many people in more like specifics that are being defined, which is great, I think, for both people. You know, it's great for the person who's in need of that help because, you know, especially in the world of mental health, it's like, you know, I think— I forget what the exact number is, but somebody, you know, you pick an average person who's looking for a therapist and they go to something like 10 therapists before they have a successful connection with that therapy and the therapist combined. So, you know, It takes so much courage for somebody to go to one person. Yeah. So to think about that person who continues to go until they find the right person for them, you know, kudos to them for continuing to just take that, that try, that step to keep going. Um, so with this world of coaching, that's kind of opening up and people finding their specific lane to go in, I think it's just really powerful because people can have a more direct match, you know, if they're looking to, you know, feel that sense of empowerment, that's one lane. If they're looking to just have someone to listen, that's another lane. If they're looking for finances or, you know, so many things people just need help with, people can have that. So I think it's just a really exciting time. And back to that word for your series, it's just finding the alignment of what is it that I need and who's there to help me.

Yeah, 100%, 100%. It can be as narrow, right? Like whether it's like, oh, I need help making a budget, I need a coach on my finances, on savings, versus like, I need a coach to help me like deal with trauma, like, you know, um, childhood wounds or healing, things like that. It can literally be as narrow or as broad as you want it. So if like, I just want like my life to feel better, then like a life coach, you know. Um, so yeah, you're totally right, like whatever aligns with where you are, the type of help that you want, the type of support that you want. And then also on the opposite end of that, like being the business owner, like whether you want to work in a group setting, whether you do better with like one-on-one settings, you know, you have the power and like the, the authority to build your business in any way that you want. Yeah. And what aligns to who you are.

Right. Yeah. It's an exciting time.

It definitely is. Okay. So I, I'm so curious. So how did you, like you, you mentioned when I came into the coaching world, there was really just like life coaching, you know? So like, tell, tell us about your journey. I know that you said that your husband Sid has like a wellness coaching thing. So is that sort of, was that your window, you know, how you came into coaching? Tell us about your entrepreneurial journey wherever it began.

Yeah. So I guess it really began with my own path of healing. I, you know, when I was healing from my dad's death, I went to a therapist and I can remember sitting in that office and I don't even know, like if I ever looked up at the woman, I literally just sat on the couch and probably cried like an entire 2 a whole tissues box of tissues worth. And, um, you know, she gave me some great strategies and helped in certain ways, which I am really grateful for. Um, and then further along the path, um, is where I met my husband Sid and went through the programs that he had and continues to have. And there was a time I remember where he asked me like, what are you grateful for? With your experience of your dad passing. And I looked at him like he had 3 heads and I'm like, what do you mean? Like, what am I grateful for? Like, it just didn't even make sense to have those 2 concepts in the same conversation. But it was more of a— it was more of an empowering process for me to heal. It was active and I was having to challenge myself. And that is what I feel like really catapulted me into just the space of healing. You know, I come from an athletic background where I was constantly being pushed by coaches and, you know, in positive ways. And so for me, I just needed more of a— more of an active method to move forward in my life. And so I was able to find those gratitudes. I was able to move forward. And that's just one example of, you know, the process for me of of moving forward. But all of these stops for me of my own healing journey helped me to really connect to other people. You know, when I was in college, I thought about students, whether they were in elementary school or through college, who had a parent pass or another trauma or something in their life, and if they didn't have a therapist to go to. So then as I moved forward and I found my, my way of healing through yoga, I thought about, you know, what about people who don't have that match for that person who is going to be more, um, you know, more, um, I guess aggressive in the way of pulling you forward, you know? What about those people who are just sitting there in their grief and feeling like they can't move forward? So every step along the way, I guess I just kind of thought about other people who may be in my shoes. And so that's kind of how I wanted to create my way of helping people was, you know, I, I loved the therapy because I found the value in that but it was the everyday practice of yoga and the more probing methods of journaling and self-discovery that helped me, you know, take those leaps forward. And so I started to feel like, you know, I want to really create a method of combining these two practices of what I've experienced to help other people.

Wow. Yeah, so did you So, okay, so can I ask the question? What, what are you grateful for from that experience?

Yeah, so, um, 3 things I came up with. Let's see if I can remember. So I know the one was for just opening my knowing of faith. Um, I had always been someone— I was raised Catholic, and so, you know, I always went to church, I said my prayers, I went to Catholic school, so I knew I knew my faith at that level, but when my dad passed, it was, um, it was just a deeper knowing, you know. Now, now I know, whereas before it was like, oh yeah, I know, right? Yeah, it's hard to put words around, but yeah, um, it was a deeper knowing of faith. Um, it was a deeper— I was— I'm grateful for the connection of just like divine, divine order. I reflected back on my experiences with my dad. And so when I was little, he had a triple bypass surgery, and his heart had stopped beating. And the doctors— something went wrong in his surgery. And so he had this experience of flatlining on the table, and he met or was connected to this bright light that you hear about people experiencing when they are met with death.

Yeah.

Um, and he came back from it, so he got to tell me and my siblings and my mom all about how, you know, there was this feeling of just pure bliss and everyone was there. And he talked about how he saw people who had passed when he was little and how even though we didn't pass, we were there too. And he just you know, shared it in the way that it was like the most beautiful thing he'd ever experienced. So that was cool when I was little. And I even remember telling my friends like, my dad died and he got to see this, but he didn't, you know, he came back. Yeah, it was this cool, the cool thing that happened. Um, but then when he really passed in college and I got to connect those two dots, it was just like, I almost felt like that was a gift that was placed in my life to know that he, he really is in a better place. Like, he's that he talked about that was pure bliss. And so it was just such a comforting moment to, you know, come full circle. And so that was just a really powerful experience for me to know that even when I think something's not happening the way I think it should happen, that there's a bigger story being written. And, you know, some of that is kind of like a cliché, I guess, that we hear quotes and see things, but that was like a real— it was a real moment for me to know like, this is, this is, um, okay. I'm okay. He's okay. Yep. Um, the third one, let's see if I can remember what it was. I don't know if I'm gonna remember, but those were—

could have changed, you know. I mean, like, thinking back, so that was several years ago, right? 10 years ago, you know, um, and I can think about people that I've lost in my life that were very, very close to me. And it's like, in the moment, all you can feel is the pain, right? All you can feel is like, why me? Why this? Um, and now— and, and I don't know if— and like you said, like, you hear the cliché sayings like, oh, everything happens for a reason. Like, I'm not totally that it happens for a reason. But there's definitely opportunity in whatever their circumstances are, you know. Um, and I think about just like, like you said, like the divine order of things. And, you know, if certain things would not have happened the way that they did, then like this wouldn't have happened. I mean, so far as to like my children not being born when they had, you know, or like not like meeting my husband or like things like that. So it's like Are you thankful for any events that have happened since then that, you know, maybe happened from like divine timing looking back?

Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, just the way that I'm living my life, you know, I think every day that happens would, would have been different. And, you know, it's easy to look at that because of a big moment, but I think that's, you know, that's really true for all of us. And sometimes it can be overwhelming to think about, but like every choice that we make, they're leading us down a path. And I always think of the Bob Marley song, like every little action has a reaction. And, you know, it's a really powerful thing to really think about. So yeah, I mean, I wouldn't be in my job. I don't know that I would be— that I would have ever done yoga or found it to be so powerful Wow. Everything about, about my life, really. I was, you know, when I was in college, you know, I was partying and, um, you know, just living a certain lifestyle that maybe I would have gotten out of, but maybe not. I don't know, you know, it's hard to say what, what's really different, but I know that— I know and trust that everything that's happening now, it's just, it's supposed to be this way.

Yeah. Wow. This is— this got really deep really fast. I mean, but it's so like— it's so good though. Like, and I just, you know, commend you for turning that story into purpose to touch other people's lives, you know, and to say like, hey, like yoga and movement and like the self-reflection helped me change my life, and now I want to help other people like change their life and to tunnel like what it is that that is aligned with their souls, right? So, so tell us how you found, um, you know, that peace through yoga and through that inner work. And, you know, in, in that, like, that, um, I guess just like the— whatever, whatever the process was for you. Yeah. How did that turn your life around? I've done yoga, and I'm like, not even gonna lie here, I, I'm like on and off with it, and it has been I don't know, it's like I just go through phases, I think, where I'm like super into it and then I go like I kind of fall out of it. But I mean, I don't know. So tell me about the experience.

Yeah, so you know, it's interesting for me because I tell this story often because it's kind of how I met my husband. Um, so I was in a yoga studio and, um, this— I went by myself. Um, when I first started yoga, it was really just you know, stretching, doing stretches. I was already into the physical movement through sports, so yoga was a source of, um, you know, that counterbalance.

Yeah, right, right.

I go to this studio and this girl is on the mat next to me and she just looks over at me and she says, hey, I just want to let you know there's this other studio down the street and it's donation-based yoga and the people are really nice and if you ever want to go, you should go check it out. And so I'm like, okay, that's kind of weird. Like, I don't know who she is, and we're in a yoga studio, and here she is telling me about another studio.

Like, hey, don't know you, but you should come.

Yeah. Um, so I'm really grateful to her, and I don't know if I'll ever get the chance to say that because I have no idea who she is. But, um, so I followed up, and I, I did that. And the next time I went to take class, I'd go down the street to this other studio. And my husband was at the door, and he's the one who greeted me. And I went and took that first class, and it was in the savasana at the end of class where I was just laying there on my back, and I had this experience where I saw this bright light, and I just felt connected to my dad. And I was laying in this field, in this vision, and like I was glowing, and this light just kind of came from behind me, and it was just this knowing that my dad was there with me. And so that was like my first real yoga experience. Like, now when I think about yoga, I'm like, that's what I want, like that mind-body connection.

Mind, body, spirit, like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think, you know, the world of yoga is kind of like coaching, you know. We, we say, oh, I'm gonna get a coach, or oh, I'm gonna go to yoga. But there's so many aspects of yoga. And for me, it was just a deeper listening. Like, okay, a girl tells me to go to this place. Why would she do that?

You know, why did you listen? You know, why would you even say, okay, that sounds like a great idea? Yeah, like, why?

Yeah, yeah. So I don't— and I was, you know, we were talking about this over the weekend, um, we We always go to this place for tea every Saturday morning, and, and someone's like, okay, so tell me about your journey and tell me about your process. How did you come about it? How would you go back and do your process? And what did it, what did it look like as they were looking to figure out their process? And I don't think that I can just say, you do this, you do that, then you do this. You know, it's everyone is is in their own individual journey. And for me, it just showed up in the listening. And I think that's kind of easier said than done sometimes, but it's just like, you know, in our hearts, the depth of our heart, there is direction and we know what we need to do. And it's like, I can remember seeing when I first joined Instagram, a girl had posted about start your own coaching business and be free and all these things about, you know, why you should start your own business. And I I thought, that's really not me. Like, that actually, you know, it sounds great. Like, yeah, I want freedom. Yeah, I want this, that, and the third, but, but that's not me. And so I've kind of gone like back and forth with that. And while— why I know it's not me is because there's certain things that I'm not great at. Like, I'm not a great administrative person, like organization, and you know, that tech behind-the-scenes kind of things. Like, it takes a lot of work for me to like really figure that out. But being with people and listening and helping them move through things, that's what I like. That's what I feel like I'm good at. So while yes, these things this person was talking about sound good, it's a deeper listening to, well, is that really the path for me? And that's why I think, you know, as I've moved forward in my own progression. It's about finding that balance of having my business and working for someone else. And that may ebb and flow throughout my life, and I'm okay with that. But that took me time to like really get honest with myself to say, what direction do I want to take? You know, I can't just look at someone's pretty Instagram pictures and say, oh yeah, I'm going to have that. Because there's so much more that's going on. You know, some of these women, you know, have people who are helping them. Some of them have, you know, a team or, um, yeah, just different setups. Some of them are doing it on their own. Some of them, you know, have apps and all these things. So, you know, that took me time to really figure out and understand. Um, and so I think it's just really that deeper listening to know that, you know, you you, whoever is hearing this, or, or whoever I may interact with, it's like, you are good enough. Like, you have everything that you need to succeed in your life, and it just all takes time to unfold. And that timing is sometimes just a deeper level of trust in, like, the perfect order of things. So my husband and I, we— the last year, we drove 31,000 miles around the country We sold everything in our house and we just traveled. And when COVID hit, we, like the rest of the world, stayed our ground. But, you know, there were a lot of things that people could look at and say, why in the world would you do that? You know, you just got rid of all your stuff, you left your home, you left all these things and people. And I was working on my license in counseling, which every state has their own different requirements. So, oh my goodness, I know you're traveling. Yeah, so there's like all these reasons, but for me it was a deeper listening. You know, there's something bigger that is at play here, and that's just who I am. I'm, I'm someone who's interested in hearing what that bigger message is and following it.

Wow, so much goodness there. So much. Like, you just said so much. Okay, so, so whenever you are coming into like the coaching world and you're like, okay, so I can be a coach, but then you— it sounds like you dealt with like this either-or. Like, either I have to quit my job, you know, and go full-time and only be a coach, or I have to only work, you know, my professional job and I can't be a coach. So did you feel like that either or in, in the mix?

Oh yeah, absolutely. For me it was like, you know, that's how I grew up. I was, I was born— think, or not born, but grew up thinking, you know, you become a doctor, you become a lawyer, you become this, you become that. So it wasn't like you wouldn't have two things that you're doing. Like, that just didn't click for me. Um, which, you know, part of what I've learned to do is just open up the lens of possibility, like thinking outside of the box of, you know, good, bad, right, and wrong, but what else exists out there. And so yeah, more recently, I guess I would say I've been, you know, toying with just finding the balance that works for me, being of service in one way and, and being of service in another way and combining those. In the way that works.

Yeah. I'm curious, are you into human design? Do you know what that is?

I don't know about that.

So this— are you big on like personality tests?

Oh yeah.

Okay. Oh my gosh, you have to go do this. So it's called, um, go to mybodygraph.com. And this is something that I heard from like another coach that I've heard of this.

Okay.

Okay. So what it is, and I'm just curious as to what your human design is, the way that you described the way that you kind of like to go with the ebb and flow and you just like don't really want to do— not, not that you don't want to, but it just doesn't feel right to you to choose one or the other. Because, um, so my Human Design type is called Manifesting Generator, and what that means, uh, and I'm no expert in this, like, there are coaches for Human Design, but basically mine basically says that I just have like a plethora of ideas going all the time, and like I like to dabble in stuff, and I like I want to try something, and then like as soon as I lose the passion in that, that I'm gonna like go over here and like do this thing. And then, you know, like I'm just kind of got my hands in like several different places because it feels good to me, right? So, um, it's why I have like several projects throughout my house and in my business, and that just feels good to me, right? So, right, um, so I too felt that either-or, right? Like that or mentality, because, um, I I actually still tutor students on the side. Like, I have my business, it's great, it's good, but I like still enjoy working with kids, you know? Like, I'm a teacher, I just like genuinely like doing it, you know? So I still, I still tutor kids. And just this past weekend, I was like looking up part-time, um, jobs for like teaching. Like, there's like a cyber academy where I live, and I'm like, just because like I genuinely enjoy doing that. So I love on that and you said like, I don't have to choose. Like, there is no like, this is the only way that you get to do it. Like, you just listen to that inner voice. And that's like, we have just been like conditioned really to, um, to say, okay, we're gonna be, we're gonna be the lawyer, we're going to be the doctor. But like, in reality, we're just gonna be ourselves, you know? Like, I'm just Lindsay and you're Liz. And like, if we can be ourselves and then decide like, hey, like, yeah, I do want to practice coaching, and I do want to own my business, and I do want to, you know, practice being a teacher, but those things don't define me, right? Like, those aren't— those aren't— that's not the box I'm gonna put myself in. Um, so I really like that you mentioned that, and it was sort of almost like a permission slip because, um, this past weekend as I was like looking up jobs, I'm like, why am I doing this? Like, I have business, like, these are great, like, what am I doing? But it was almost like, but why not? Why not? If I want to, why not, you know? So yeah, I like— yeah, yeah.

There's a quote about like, um, being strong in your goals and flexible in your approach, or something like that. But I often think of that, and, um, going back to what we were talking about before we started today, is just how we as coaches tend to have this framework of helping people. And sometimes, you know, I, for me, I got caught in that has to look like I'm working directly with so many people every week and they're saying XYZ about our experience. And like, and I had to like really loosen my grip on that because there's so many ways that we can help people. And, you know, for coaches, back to what I was saying before, I love that there's just this wider wider approach to helping people because people need help. And so, you know, sometimes that might look like you're creating a website for someone who in turn is helping someone do something. So, so true. Yeah, yeah, I just love like that reframing of, of what our goals are, you know, keeping strong to the to the big mission or the vision of helping, but then flexible in, you know, what, what's available for me this year. And especially with the pandemic, it's like, okay, well, yes, I want to do this, but what's available for me now? And how can I, you know, continue to stay true to that path or, you know, that direction, but being open to just a different taking a different street, you know.

Absolutely. There is a saying that my coach, my mindset coach, her name is Kelly, and she tells— she, she taught me this a few months back. Before each new month, she asked her— she asks herself, and now I ask myself, what am I available for this month? So yeah, like coming into December, I asked myself that. What am I available for this month? That's fine. And that's okay. And it was like, well, what am I available for? Okay, I'm available to connect with other, you know, coaches and other people, other women in the space. I'm available to really nurture, right? I'm available to spend more time, you know. So, and it's like coming into January, um, I'm still available to slow down a little bit more. Like, you know, even now I'm still available to not go in for. So yeah, I like that, like asking yourself what's available to me and what am I available for, right? Like it doesn't have to look like you checking boxes and doing the things just because like you think that you're supposed to be doing that, or that's what you see everyone else doing, right? It's like, yeah, like you don't know what resources they have, you don't know what their journey looks like, like you don't know what, what street they've taken before they've hopped over onto the street, you know. Um, so like your journey doesn't have to look like anyone else's. So just give yourself permission to ask yourself, like, what are you available for? And then do that thing that feels good.

Yeah, exactly.

Yes. Yes.

So good conversation for the new year.

Yes, it is. It is so good because I'm already like, and I'm thinking about it myself, like, what are my goals for 2021? You know, what is the financial goals? What are the, you know, the personal goals? And it's like, What am I available for? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. So Liz, I am curious if someone wanted to look into working, working with you, if they wanted to reach out to you, they're interested in this. So are you taking clients right now or what would that look like for someone to work with you?

Yeah. So I have my website, lizmcnary.com, and I always take time to just get to know someone a little bit before moving forward, just to see, because I do really believe in that alignment. So, you know, to take time and have a conversation to see, you know, what is it that someone's looking for and how can I help? And whether that looks like working with them one-on-one, which I am available for, or doing a group program, or with my husband's business, we have a lot of different opportunities as well. So, and I also, you know, I'm just— I've been in this field for a little while, so knowing different people that might be available to help. So I just like to take that time to really get to know someone a little bit and see what would be the best fit.

I love that. So if they wanted to contact you, they could go to LizMcNary.com.

Yep, LizMcNary.com, or you can find me on Instagram or Facebook. Anyway, works perfect for me.

Awesome. Yay! This has been so good. This is a really good conversation and it felt felt very aligned today. So yeah, thank you so much for coming on. I've really enjoyed it, Liz.

Well, thanks for having me. I knew when I saw that you were a former teacher, I was like, oh, I'm gonna have some fun talking with her and just everything that you're up to. I've really enjoyed it, so I appreciate you having me on and also just what you're doing with having everyone get some time to share their stories and opportunities opportunities available for anyone who's listening. So thank you so much, Lindsay.

Absolutely. Thank you, Liz.