0138: Broadcasting Your Message & Mission Farther by Making Better Video with Owen Video

Ea interviews. Episode 138 Inspiration, Transformation, Success Stories and the Imperfect Action Round. Seven days a week join Mario Ficcini for today's Expert Authority effect interview. Making better videos. I don't know about you but I'm always striving to do that with my business and my clients. And that is why I am so excited to have none other than Owen Video here today on the show because he is a master of not only good video but storytelling, call to actions, he works with people, speaker trainer and he has helped hundreds and hundreds and thousands and thousands of people and I've learned from him over the years and I'm super excited to bring him to you expert authority world. So I'm going to keep it short. We're going to thank the sponsor and I'm going to bring up Owen Video. There's money in the metrics. Do you know yours? Pipedrive is the simplest and easiest CRM to close more deals, deepen your relationships and increase your business profits. Get your free trial today at eainterviews.com forward/pipedrive. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Owen Video.

Owen.

How are you feeling today, Mario?

I'm pumped to be here. I got out of bed for this. I did.

I do appreciate it and I'm so excited for you to share because I know you're a wealth of knowledge and how did you even get into it? I mean you have an impressive career track record. You've helped tens of thousands of people. How did it all start?

Yeah, termination. No, no, not determination but literally termination. I've been terminated 22 times. The same job actually fired me twice. It's. That's 100% true. They fired me twice because I lied on my application. I remember thinking this was the best job I ever had. Let me see if I can go get hired at a different level. What was was a restaurant job and I don't want to name the company other great company. I still.

That's totally fine. I was just curious what's.

Yeah, great little restaurant. And I went to a different location. But you know, When I was 8 years old my dad came home. Excuse me. When I was eight years old, Christmas morning there were two big presents under the tree. One was a Nintendo brand new Nintendo with Mike Tyson's punch out is the first time Nintendo games had ever been made like commercially available was that year. And a video camera, one of these big shoulder mount, you know, video cameras. I think there was a crank on. I think you had to crank it up at some point. I Played with the Nintendo for about eight minutes, but I played with the video camera for the next eight years. Anytime you saw me as a kid, I was carrying around that video camera, doing stop motion Lego videos, and even making mockumentaries with my brothers and the neighborhood kids. And so got into high school and I was still doing sketch comedy. We were watching back in those days, like Kids in the Hall, Saturday Night Live. Chris Farley was on Saturday Night Live, Adam Sandler. And I just loved it. I wanted to make sketches, I wanted to make media, and I never really put it down. So when I lost my last job in radio advertising, I'd sort of been bit by the bug of advertising, but I decided that would be my last job. I would never again have a job. And I began to pursue video as a career. And that was right at the beginning of YouTube 2008, YouTube. Been out for like two years. And things really started. Really started to pop at that point.

Well, that is an impressive story, and I can totally relate to it. So there's so many ways you can use video. I mean, you can say video marketing, live streaming, professional production, broadcast. There's all different ways. What do you feel is the best way to be utilizing it?

Well, you know, to broadcast your message, to transform lives, really, you know, it's my. It's my firm belief that you have a message, and if more people heard that message, then lives would be changed. People would, you know, get more customers. They would realize their full potential. They would save marriages. You know, there's just so many different things that your message can do for people. And video is the best way to engage the audience. And so whether your message is, I love fishing and you want to make fishing videos, or your vision is, I'm a chiropractor and I want to use video to bring more people into my shop to experience health. Or you're an executive or a CEO with a podcast, and you want to turn that podcast into a video podcast to reach a younger generation on YouTube, then, yes, use video for. In anything that you're doing. Because video is audio and it's video, which means that you can strip out the audio that you do in a video and you can repurpose that as a podcast. You can repurpose that as an Alexa skill. You know, you can take snippets of your video and turn them into square videos and use them on Instagram and all sorts of different places. And so when you start with video, you. The whole. The whole gamut of media opens up to you and that's, that's what I love about it.

So who are the people that you're helping? Whether it's one on one in your training, when you're speaking to them, who do you really feel can benefit from video and how are you helping them?

Yeah, so I've been creating training videos on how video marketing works for the last couple of years and I've been putting them into an online course called the Video Marketing School. And what it is is a library of do it yourself training videos that are designed for business professionals that want to get started on YouTube and Facebook Live. We have over 106 different trainings on that platform that you can access at any time for a low monthly fee. And it ranges from, you know, how to launch your channel on YouTube to how to create YouTube titles with SEO keywords, how to create thumbnails, and it really runs the gamut. And that's, that's my, my coursework. Of course. I do have a pretty intense six week intensive that I run with CEOs, executives and keynote speakers that are already producing content and they want to start streaming that content live or maybe launching that content onto YouTube. I work with those clients in a more intimate one on one environment for a small period of time as we utilize your staff to get Things launched on YouTube or launched on Facebook Live. So those are the two big, the two big clients that we serve.

So let me ask you about that because I know that there's CEOs, authors, speakers, executives listening and watching. What would you say are, let's say, keep it to three. I know you have a whole library and we only have so much time, but what are the top three things that you think they should be doing if they're even considering it right now?

Yeah, I would say the first thing that you have to do is format your show. This is really, really big. You know, so many times the keynote speaker sort of says, I know how to keynote, I know how to speak, so I'm going to speak on camera. Unfortunately, you know, that's a very different medium. The live in front of us like an audience is at paid to see you is different than an audience on YouTube that's just gonna thumb past you. You know, you've really got to think about how you're gonna format your message for a video audience and not just any video audience right. On Facebook, you know, people are just kind of skipping through and you've gotta really get them to stop the scroll. But on YouTube, it's much different. On YouTube, you got to Think about how you're going to get the algorithm to show your video on more mobile devices. And so you've got this two part role, okay, of having a watchable video, a video that people actually want to watch. Can you imagine sitting down at a movie? We've all been at movies, right, where you're like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I'm watching this thing. This is garbage. Right? That's how, that's how you need to look at YouTube is how am I gonna get people to watch this? So they're really intrigued and really watching. The next part of that is how are you gonna stimulate the algorithm, right, to, to get your video out there? And that's gonna come down to some, some SEO stuff, you know, and this is, again, I see professionals make this mistake a lot, especially podcasters, right? So podcasters like, oh, I'll do an episode on this or I'll interview Jim Jones. That might be well and good for a podcast. But on YouTube, you got to think about like, well, what are the keywords people searching for? YouTube's a search engine, right? It's number two search engine in the world. Billion searches per month.

On this platform. And you, as the content creator, you got to take what you want to make and then blend it with what YouTube is finding in their search data to create a great video. And the third thing is, is community. You have got to have community built around your channel. You know, you need to treat your channel like, like the TV show, right? You're producing. When I was a kid and we watched TV, I haven't had TV service like cable. And over 10 years, I was one of the very first cord cutters, you know, and we had, we actually had a PC connected to the tv, right? Like a, like a Dell, you know, like connected to the TV. And we watched everything online. Even 10 years ago, we were doing this. But you've, you know, tv, you'd watch TV like regular broadcast television. And you'd be watching a show at 8 o' clock and they'd be promoting the show coming up at 9, right? You know what I'm talking about.

Absolutely. Especially when they do crossovers or they're always teasing you with something. It's like we're 10 minutes into this show. Let me finish this one.

NBC did this a lot. You'd be watching Seinfeld and Courtney Cox would, would, you know, played. Would guess a star on one of these episodes. Well, you know, it turns out that Friends was launching the very next season and what NBC was Doing is getting the audience they wanted, accustomed to seeing Courtney Cox. You know, they wanted them to like her. And, and we see this all over the place. So you need to do the same thing with your videos. You need to say like, hey, new videos coming out. Join me there. Join the conversation. You need to be, you know, focusing your energy on getting people to that video. I would rather that, that you spend more time promoting a video than even more. More so than how many videos you create.

That's a great question. I want to, that's a great point you make. And I want to ask the question, how, what do you think the percentage is? If, you know, we all have 24 hours in a day and you have 100% bandwidth on the show, what percentage of that bandwidth should be promoting versus creating?

You know, it really depends on your workflow. Right? You, for me, we work with a lot of busy CEOs. And so the whole thing is that CEO needs to be in a place where he or she can sit down in front of a show, outline, film the content and go, right? And at that point the assistants, the staff members will take the file, get the file edited and do all those things. So we don't really, we have to be careful in how much time we're spending on things. Okay. So in the beginning, if you're a one person show, I would, I would really be dividing your time. 50, 50, right? Producing the show versus promoting the show. As you, as you systemize production, you should be in a place where you're just sitting down recording the thing, you know, maybe turning a couple lights on. You know, like when I come in here, this whole studio is on Alexa, so we ask Alexa to, you know, turn everything on. I'm trying not to turn everything on. Right. We get everything turned on and in place. But I'm ready to film in five minutes, easy. Right. So now I can spend more time on promotion, which is, which is where I'm at in terms of my personal time. Because I'm trying to, I'm trying to really trigger Instagram right now. And I'm spending a lot of personal time like figuring out like what, you know, what, what to do there and how to get that thing working. So I would start off, if you're a one person show, 50, 50, and then over time, spend more time promoting your show. And it's not just promoting your show. After the show is over, you need to promote the next show coming up. Right? And we teach this in our intensive. And how you create this loop where you're Constantly like, hey, you know, show is coming up, then it's the show, then it's did you catch the show? And then it's hey, next episode. Right? And it's, it's this constant cycle of content. So they're equally important. But get your production to a place where it's workflowed, where it's systematic, and then spend more time promoting the show.

Excellent. What about that repurposing of it?

Yeah, you should be repurposing, you know, from the very beginning, right? So we, we have this cycle where you create a lead video. Maybe it's a live stream video like this, or maybe it's a YouTube video. All right, let's, for all intents and purposes, let's say that it's, let's say you're a podcaster and you want to launch on YouTube. Okay? So what I would say is let's make your podcast a live podcast, for example. And so we're multicasting on YouTube and Facebook. And inside of that format, inside of that structure, which is what I was just talking about, you've got enough content for a YouTube video. So you're going to take the footage from your full one hour live stream, you're going to pull five minutes out and make your, make your YouTube video. From that five to seven minute YouTube video, you're gonna make a two to three minute version that you're gonna turn into a square meme video, right? With text above, text below, maybe some captions on there. And you're gonna put that on Instagram, you're gonna put that on LinkedIn, you're gonna put that on Facebook and that's gonna feed your social media. And that's really like, that's all you should be doing, right, is creating the video and then uploading it to multiple channels. And so all of your content comes from the video you're doing. What could be better, right? You spend hours writing a blog, multiple hours writing a blog. All your energy, all your time is gone. Now you got to do the video and all these other things. Start with the video and then transcribe it, have that become the blog, and so on and so forth.

I love that you're sharing this because video is so versatile and you can do so much with it.

I had the CEO of Repurpose I.O. handy Mora on episode 84.

Yeah.

What he created with the repurposing tool for exactly what you're talking about is fantastic.

Yeah, yeah. And you know, there's a lot of companies doing it, but Repurpose I always call them Repurposed CEO, but Repurpose IO, they're doing a great job. And Honey's, you know, Hani's a great guy to be working with. He knows the industry, he knows other people in the industry. He's a networker. And so checking out that software is a great way to, you know, move around having to hire additional contractors if that's not something you want to do.

So beyond the repurposing of it, what else do you think you could do to leverage the video if you only have, let's say, two hours a week to shoot? And I do realize you're talking about having a team and other people in place, but we're also talking for the author, speaker, CEOs and anyone who doesn't have a team, you can be doing all of this is just going to take more time. It's the only difference. I want to get the format and the structure out there. So after repurposing it, would you say go back to promoting it more, go back to shooting it more or. Well, how much time should you spend on the analytics and looking into seeing what's working?

Yeah, so let me. Okay, so we, we've broken down our system, the Video Pro system, into four core components. Your programming, your production, your promotion, and your progress. And if you can master those four segments, you'll become a Video Pro. Now, when you make the show, this is called production. When you actually record the show, you are recording your promotional pieces, right? So your repurposing is what promotes the show. Now, I only explained a small percentage of it, but let me continue further. So out of this, you got this two to three minute version of a 60 minute livestream, okay? And you've got your YouTube video and this two to three minute version for Instagram. From out of that, you can pull out a quote from your show, right? And you can create a flashcard, an image meme, if you will, for Instagram and for Facebook and for your email. And you send that into your email and it's like a quote from the show and it's like, hey, join us next week for next week's show. And really it's this ongoing cycle, right? It's rarely. And this does happen. We did a show Social Media Lab, what, two weeks ago, three weeks ago, and we triggered the algorithm, man. We got, we got something like 238 live viewers, ended the show with almost 5,000 views on Facebook. So we really hit a trigger there. And that will happen. You'll get these pops, but you Know what led to that?

Pop.

Mario. It's not like these randomly good shows that got us pop. Okay, what. What got us there was building up this audience that knew we were going live every Wednesday at 9am.

So the promotion of your show is consistency. It's just every time you go live the next day, you have a repurposed segment go out, and then the next day after that, you have the meme quote that goes out, and then all of that stuff's out there on the web, hopefully attached to some type of. Give me your email landing page where you can develop subscribers for the show. On Facebook, we use a chatbot. We say, hey, you can just give me five. That's right. Type five into the comment section now to subscribe to our show on Facebook. And what happens is when you type 5in on Facebook, it triggers our chatbot. And now with our chatbot, we can send alerts out every single week. And so sending alerts out and letting people just building up that audience that knows you're gonna be there every single week. And here's a big tip that I have for content creators on LinkedIn. I see a lot of, you know, business professionals on LinkedIn doing video, but they're missing this component. Okay, so this is huge. Is built into the structure of your show. You need to be telling people when you're live and who you're live for. Right. Your. Your opening intro needs to be something like, you know, hey, I'm Owen Video, and this is the show for busy CEOs who want to turn their podcast into video marketing. We're live every Single Wednesday at 9am PST. And you can give me five. That's right. Type five into the comment section now if you're. And so on and so forth so that you're. You're telling your audience, oh, this is every week. Right. What I see LinkedIn creators doing is either uploading every day, which is fine. I don't think you need to say you're uploading every day, but you should. You should say, hey, I'm Shea Rowbottom. New uploads every single day, right? And Shea Rowbottom is fantastic new creator. I've recently explored same thing if you're gonna be uploading every week. So I was watching a financial guy. It's pretty decent show. But on his show, he just kind of starts off with, hey, guys, we're live. Instead of like, hey, it's the. You know, Blaine, it's the Jim Jones show where we talk about how to manage your financial life. I'm live on LinkedIn every Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Right. So I know that I can expect him to show up. I know that if I'm in a hurry today, I can catch the show again next week. So having that into your show, where you're telling your audience when you're live, then you're repurposing the show to promote the show, you know, the two minute, three minute version, there's so many people, right. On today's show, we had like reach of 35,000. At the end of the show. So many of those people saw us but couldn't tune in because they're busy, they're at their kids recital like I was. They don't have Internet. Maybe they saw the alert, but they don't have Internet, you know, but when you show them, when you, when you show them a two minute version, three minute version, two days later, you know, they're likely to tune into that. Oh, I got to make time for this. I got to make time for this show. So how do you promote your show? You promote it every single week the same way, at the same time, in the same places. I cannot stress that enough. Stop doing this. Oh, I should post something. Oh, oh, it's Wednesday. Oh, I gotta post something today. Stop doing that. Instead you say, Wednesday, I'm going live. Thursday I post the repurpose, Friday I post the image meme, and on Monday I, you know, I send it out to my email list. Right. And you're just doing those things.

No random acts of content. Huh?

What's that?

No random acts of content.

Yeah. You know, it's no way to run a business. The emotional stress. Right. Many of my clients are seven figure companies and they're doing so much already. The mental stress of just knowing you have to do something right or knowing you have to come up with something is enough to derail other projects that you're working on. So instead of playing this guessing game of like, oh snap, I forgot to plan something or I need to, because you know how it goes. It's like, oh, I need to post today. So you start posting and you go, man, I really hate this. I really should hire a va. Oh crap, I need to hire a va. Where? And now you're moving over here and you're, you know, I saw this great episode, TV last night, Malcolm in the Middle, one of the best shows ever written. And the guy says he's like, I gotta go replace this light bulb. And he goes to replace the light bulb and finds that his, you know, screwdriver is rusty and then goes to get the rust oleum stuff and finds the can is empty. So goes to buy a new can, grabs his car keys, the car is shaking. So now he's, you know, he's pulled the engine out of his car. His wife goes, what are you doing? He goes, I'm changing the light bulb. Right? So this is kind of what happens with busy CEOs that are brilliant because you're coming up with all these ideas you have to eliminate choice.

Eliminate choice and just decide. I'm going to upload content these days in this manner using a template, right? I'm going to do this thing and I'm just going to do that, you know, every day for six months before I even look at my numbers. Right? Before you even look at your numbers. You got to commit to that consistency that will change your life. By the way, what I just said, six months of the same thing every day, every time, change your life.

You are sharing a whole lot of expert authority insights and I so appreciate it. You got me thinking about a few things and I want to ask you Facebook or YouTube? Because you've said we go live on Facebook, but you're also talking about YouTube. If you were to pick one, because I know we could have a whole day conversation on multi streaming, what would. Yeah, YouTube.

YouTube. YouTube is going to be your long term gain, but luckily we don't have to pick just one. Right? If you say if you had to pick just one, what would you pick? I would pick YouTube because YouTube is the stock market. YouTube is real estate. Right. YouTube is the long term gain.

That is going to change your life.

Because when somebody watches a five minute video, they have just given you the top 1% of time a person gives on the Internet. Right? We don't spend five minutes on anything, but somebody spends five minutes watching your video. They just spent one quarter of their Internet time in that, in that chunk. If we're basing it on these 20 minute chunks that we've seen studies promote. Not only that, you're creating relationship with them, they're looking in your eyes, man. You know, they're feeling your emotions. If you're going into something deep and emotional, they're going there with you. This is a very, very powerful medium. Now Facebook.

Is a lot of fun and Facebook is where you're going to generate massive audience right now today. Okay? How loyal, how committed that audience is is going to vary because it is Facebook, it's the general Marketplace. Whereas on YouTube when somebody goes to watch a YouTube video, they're generally in, you know, a place where they go, I'm gonna watch video right now I'm going to YouTube where the only thing I can do is watch video. Right. Facebook is more disruptive. Facebook's like, you can do anything on Facebook, right? So when you grab a viewers attention on YouTube, they're more likely to sit there with you, right? On Facebook, they'll hang out for a minute, which lowers your watch time, makes it harder to kind of trigger that algorithm. But on Facebook, you'll get results quick. You'll get quick results on YouTube. It's going to take time to build those results. But once you start generating results on YouTube, you know, those results. I'm still generating business from videos I made five years ago, four years ago, you know, so the momentum on YouTube will take you a lot farther. And so that's why, you know, you do both. Why you know that you got me thinking now it's like, wow, if I really had to choose.

That pop of Facebook, knowing I can get onto Facebook and I'm gonna get 100 people that log in, it's great, feels good. So you do it right. But what do you do when 30 of those people are folks from your church that wanted to see what you were up to? Your cousin, you know, who works fast food, Couple of your high school buddies tuning in. You know what I mean? Like when, when you think about who your audience is, then that really changes the game. Vs YouTube where someone searched for something and found you. Right. It's a different relationship than disrupting them in the newsfeed. Wow.

Just, just giving it all out. Appreciate it. Now the other side of the coin is.

When you're on there and you're doing the different things, you had set it so nonchalant, you know, you want to send them to an LP where you can have the chat bot. High five.

Yeah.

Let's talk about this. This is the call to action to offer the what the difference, in my opinion and experience that makes the difference from someone that's trying it to someone who's doing it and profiting from it because it's capitalism's great. But how do you get the people just from watching the videos onto your email list and turning into paying clients?

Yeah. So here's the thing, is that you got to look at your video campaign as a continuum. And I think that what so many professionals do is they look at their video as an a la carte situation. Right. Let me do this one video and see how it does. Let me do that video and See how it does. You notice TV has never done that, right? TV makes 12 episodes.

A season.

Right? That, that they hope to build relationship with you over that three month period of time. At one show per week. You got to do the same thing. You know, you've got to look at your video as a season. You're gonna do 12 episodes on this topic at this day, at this time. You're saying this way. You're gonna open the show the same way every time, you're gonna close the show the same way every time and then take a look at, you know, your analytics and what's working in and what types of results that, that you're getting. When you look at it as sort of this one off scenario, you're, you're gonna run into constant failure, you know, oh, that didn't pop. That didn't go viral. Video doesn't work.

Right. So look at your, your video campaign as a season multi. You're I always look at as 12, right, 12 episodes before we even start looking at making changes. You know, that's, that's going to be your, your best way of moving forward.

You got me thinking about myself and so many others because it was that random act of content and even, you know, people didn't really have a game plan, myself included. But I was willing to do Facebook Live and when Facebook made it super easy around 2016, oh, I miss Meerkat. When they made it easy in 2016, everyone started doing it and it was the same thing. Hey, I'm going here, I'm going to the salon, I'm gonna go buy food, whatever. And it's just chit chatting. And when I decided to launch the show, so many people were like, well, they already thought I had a show. So the question is, why is it so important to actually have a show versus just doing videos? I had over 3,000 videos on Facebook. I've done yeah, but no show. But then I got a show and it made a huge difference.

Yeah, that's the a la carte, right? That's the power of that continuum and getting off of that a la carte cycle, right? Because when you make these individual videos, they end up sort of being these, these a la carte items that are out there with no real connective thread, even though there might have been one in your head.

You know, and maybe even palpable, maybe even like, oh, you use the same lower third, you use the same intro on all of them. Even that's hard for the viewer to create the connection because it's not Put together as a show. A show is broadcast the same day, the same time, in the same way for a season, right? And hopefully more than one season. You know, we. We did the business of video podcast for a year before we even knew if we wanted to continue it. But the whole thing was, let's just do it for a year, you know, and we ended up doing that show for what, two years, two and a half years maybe. That was a great show. Broadcast dual cast on YouTube and Facebook Live. And some of the biggest guests, you know, in the YouTube space came on that show. The reason that that show, a show will outperform is because it creates reliability and consistency from the schedule. So, you know, if you go live every Wednesday at 9:00am you know, you're. You're gonna be hitting that same audience that's checking their Facebook every Wednesday between 9:00am and 10:00am you know, they're going to see you in the newsfeed, they're going to see you in the alert section, and they get accustomed to you. And at first they're kind of like, you know, they're kind of like, oh, oh, this is good. I'll watch five seconds of it. And then the next week they watch maybe 30 seconds of it, and then the next week they watch the entire show. And then the week after that is when they opt into your email list, right? That's the continuum. And that's why you need to be building a show. Because when you build a show, it takes a while to get the momentum moving. But if you do your show the same way every single time.

You know, hey, type five in the comment section now and I'll send you my BE Live toolkit. Everything you need for streaming live on Facebook with B Live software. Right now, when people are opting in, we ask them for an email, we send them our kit. And so we've got this momentum going now. At first, we generated no leads, and I remember those days going like, man, it's not working. Like, we should stop saying this. But then all of a sudden, you know, we started getting, you know, seven leads a week. There's like seven leads a week. Seven leads a week. Could rely on it. We could rely on. It's clockwork. So now it's like, well, let's. Let's try to. Let's spice up the offer and change the offer. Fifteen leads a week. You know, now we're in a place where it's like 25 leads a week, right? So we're growing our list by a hundred people every single month. By the way, this is a very specific list. You know, I've had so many people, so many CEOs, they'll scoff at these numbers. I'm like, oh, well, hundred people, you know, well, Mari smith is putting 4,000 people a month on her list. And it's like, okay, well, then go pay Mari Smith, you know, to teach you. Right? $80,000. I mean, look, you're at a different place in your career. A hundred people a month on your list, reliably, that are gonna buy from you at some point.

These fantastic numbers, we get obsessed with these numbers. I want to go viral. I want to get 40,000 views, brother. You know, you're never going to get 40,000 views on a video. Look, if you are a. What's the word? Like, you serve. You're a marketing consultant for companies that work in the outdoor sports space. You have this many companies that you're targeting, and only this many of them have Facebook at work, right? So, like, this vision of how many views you're gonna get, you know, you're setting yourself up for failure. If you can be in a place where you're like, I want to get 500 to 1,000 views a week per platform. You're in a really, really good space. You know, set that goal for how many views are reasonable, and you start getting up to a thousand views a week per platform. That's what we're talking about, like 4,000 views. Now you get a thousand views a week on YouTube, Facebook.

Instagram, and LinkedIn from a 4,000 views here, right? That's phenomenal. And if you keep your mind focused on this virality thing. 40,000. I'm only gonna count. 40,000 is successful. You are gonna lose this game.

Right? And that's. That's what. It kills so many people. Oh, I'm not viral yet. I'm not viral yet. You know, people don't need virality. You know what they want someone they can rely on, someone that they know is going to be there. And I'll tell you, people that watch your show make the best clients. I've got a client right now. I'm helping him build out his show that he's going to do for his industry. He's there listening to every word. Yes, sir. No, sir. Owen, how high do you want me to jump? Because he's been watching me for months. The show, right? So having that show creates the continuum which nurtures your audience right into viewers, and then viewers into leads. And then hopefully your email system kind of kicks in and takes the Leads and turns them into appointments, if not sales.

Well, I'm glad I threw that question in there, because you are definitely an expert in authority on this. You are giving so many insights here.

That's right, baby. I've got two pairs of sunglasses that I keep on my desk. One. One is to make an impression, right. And then another one is to show humility. So when you. You compliment me greatly, Mario. And I want to. I want to put on my humble sunglasses and say, thank you.

People want that consistency in that reliability that is huge. Because you had me thinking of what. When I'm speaking to live audiences and people are going, how would you. And I go, would you like 10,000 leads? And everyone raises their hand. I go, how many of you could actually handle it?

Right. Yeah.

Is your business even structured in a way that, I mean, everyone wants these big, esoteric goals, but the reality is. And it's, you know, when I'm coaching with people, why they're not there, because subconsciously, you know, you can't handle it. And if you got seven leads this week, you know, you can only handle five. And that's where the breakdown is.

We. We used to teach funnels a lot, and that was sort of our core. It's kind of how we got to this point was teaching video sales funnels and YouTube sales funnels. You know, the. The question. The value for us was two leads a week, right? Can you. Let's see if we can get you two leads a week, right? You came to me because you got no leads per week, but then you'll only accept, you know, 50 leads a week. As. As a result, like, we. We need to kind of back off and start from scratch again, right? As an industry and talk about mastering these simple workflows. So before you start thinking about 40,000 views or even 10,000 views, let's talk about going live every single week for a month, right? Not only that, with a consistent show, with consistent branding that you didn't stress out about, we would set these little tiny goals for the show, Melissa and I. Melissa is my producer. She's been with me for so long, and we set these goals for the show. Like, today I want to add sound effects, right? Today I want a multicast, right? Today I'm gonna stream the guest, or I'm gonna stream eight guests today. That's a lot, right? We just, you know, today we hit a new milestone. We did a show.

We did a trivia show without me, and we generated over a hundred live viewers. So we wanted to see, could we get over 100 live viewers without me on the show. Right. But of course, I don't want to intentionally not do the show either. Right. So I went to my kids Christmas recital this morning, so I wasn't able to make the show. Perfect chance to do let's do a trivia show and see if we can get a hundred. So we hit so many little milestones today that help us to build the company. So now we know that this model I've developed for doing these live video trivia shows can be done with someone who doesn't have my personality. Right. Which opens up our base, our audience base. Now we don't just need extroverts. Now we can talk to those, those CEOs, those podcasters who are a little more introverted and we can still get them the same results. So it's important to set little tiny goals on your way to this amazing show. And if you, if you stay focused on having an amazing show, instead of like amazing leads or amazing, you know, conversion, focus on an amazing show show and those leads will follow. Because getting conversion is a result of a good show.

Not a result of any show. It's a result of a good show. I know streamers that have been streaming, they were, they've been streaming for years and they haven't gotten nearly as far as others because every show's different. Every show's this, every show's, that's all willy nilly, you know, all over the place. But the showmakers, that's how you take your business to the next level.

I gotta ask you about the transformation you've been able to give other people because clearly you've got it down pat for people that have bought your stuff, you've worked with them, they've gone through the trainings. What's one, one or two of your biggest success stories you've been able to give someone?

Yeah, you know, one of my favorite success stories is Ryan Rodenbeck out in Austin, Texas. And he, you know, runs an $80 million real estate agency. They, they just, they're big. They're recognized every year in Austin as one of the top brokerages. And Ryan's like me. Ryan has that front of the crowd bug in him. He wants to be on stage, he wants to be on video interviewing the, the thought leaders and the, and the, you know, the movers and shakers of Austin in order to get more exposure to those, you know, those people that are buying, you know, their third or fourth home. Right. As opposed to some of the first home, first time home Buyers, right? So Ryan came on board with me and we developed him a fully functional live stream show for Facebook that has become a live video workshop, where he's now doing workshops in Austin, capturing the video from that, making meme videos to promote the next workshop, filling that workshop out. And he's getting his pick of real estate agents that come to these workshops, and he's recruiting them for his business, and he's bringing their, you know, their list of business onto his company. It's been phenomenal to watch him learn the systems that create growth and then to actually do them. Right? Because how many times have you, like, signed up for a course and then never really did the work? But you knew, at least I got the course. When I'm ready, I'll come back to it, right? Ryan did the work. You know, he did the work. And that's. We're working right now with a girl who does MMA reporting. She reports at Bare Knuckle Fights, and we're completely revamping her channel. You know, she's great, like, journalism work. And I have a journalism background, and so I really, like, appreciate the work that she's doing. But it's all about that strategy tweak, right? We opened the door. She's like, I'm doing these interviews. I don't know what to say other than, you know, how was the fight? And I opened up the door and I said, hey, why don't you ask these guys their number one tip for how to throw a punch and then create a compilation video on this fighter's opinion on how to create a punch, right? And you're revolutionizing your content. You're making content that now, you know, feeds your business, but also presents you as the top authority. So Susan's not. Not quite a testimonial yet. She's just getting started. But an example of where we could go. Ryan, you know, is one of a couple different, you know, high top performers that has done incredibly well in my intensive.

Well, I don't doubt anyone working with you would do a good job. You were speaking about the courses you've done and even having courses. Why did you decide how have they impacted your business and why didn't you just stick with the videos? Why did you build out a whole suite behind.

Well, I never thought people would watch me. I never thought people would watch me at viral levels. And really, they're not. I think we're doing well in our. In our industry, but we're not. We're not even close to PewDiePie or Mr. Beast. Or any Peter McKinnon. Not even close to that. Right. And that's mass appeal, right. General audience type stuff. So it's always been sort of in my nature to take clients, right. I've been doing consulting work for such a long time. When I first started.

I had the idea to create videos to train.

The clients and then do the client call. Just asking questions, right? Just answering questions. And so those recordings, they were just sitting here for like 13 people. And I'm like, let's make these available.

To everybody, right? So we did, we put all those into a course. We call it the Video Marketing School. And you can check it out@the videomarketingschool.com where you can start with just these DIY courses for like 50 bucks a month, I think is what it costs. Now you get access to all these courses. Then if you need more time, you know, then we have an increased level. Right. You can work with me in a group and then we have the intensive where you get to work with me privately. So building that coursework has helped us to create a very strong monthly recurring residual. Right. While also, you know, nurturing our customers. In fact, you know, many of my intensive clients, you know, entered into the company through the video marketing school, through the do it yourself program. And that's where they learned, hey, I need something a little bit more than just do it yourself, do it yourself. I need that personal touch and that, you know, that converts really well. So having the coursework is essential, I think, to assist in your consulting work and to onboard your customers. So I think everybody should really have a course in some way, shape or form. Even the auto mechanic, right. When somebody brand new comes into your store, you know, it would be great to put them into some type of membership program where you've got, you know, some behind the scenes videos. You've got, you know, a weekly tip that goes out and they've got access to some, some quick things that at the end of the day, you know, always bring the customer back into your business. I mean, imagine having the customer in a membership area where you can do a push notification, 30% off on oil changes, right. And you're talking to people that already do business with you. So I believe that of course does extremely well for your main product support. But if you want to become a course creator on your expertise, you know, this is a great way to build a long term monthly residual business. I don't think that, you know, the.

You'Re going to close 300 people on a webinar, you know, overnight that's, that's going to take you 10 years to build, but you'll build it slowly over time, and your monthly income will increase every month.

And that's what everyone's looking for.

Yeah, I hope so. I mean, it's. Look, we're not working for money, that is for sure. In fact, my wife and I were just discussing mutual friend and we're like, you know, this person's always stuck because they work for money. You know, it's frustrating because nothing we can do about it, right? Maybe give them a copy of Rich Dad, Poor dad, hope they'll read it and hope it will change their life. But we work to create our vision, right? We want to produce shows in all sorts of fields. We have these great visions of creating a faith based media new media resource center for young people, married couples, divorced people, right? Just this, the whole gamut. We have ideas for doing, you know, video skits like I used to do in high school. Like, we see so much on YouTube that's still inside of me. So we do the work and we hustle and grind to make that bigger vision come true, you know, and if you are out there and you're making videos that, that fuel your passion and educate your audience base, you know, the money will come to you, right? And you can focus on that bigger project. And that's where I want you to be, is worry less about the leads and the sales. Invest into delivering and broadcasting your message. That is what will make the difference. It's not gonna be a banner ad. It's not gonna be an SEO page. It's not gonna be a product launch. It's not gonna. I've done all those things. It's going to be the consistent delivery of your message that attracts people to you on a regular basis. That's gonna make all the difference.

Powerful words, powerful words. I got one last question before we go. To thank our sponsor and the impression perfect action round. I put 100 million in your bank account tonight and you have till next year to invest it, spend it, do whatever you want with it. What are you doing with it and who are you helping?

Commercial real estate, my friend. And what I'm doing is I'm helping my kids live a life.

Of, you know, a little less hardship than I had. Okay? So. So being real, like commercial real estate. But beyond that, we want to be creating studios like mine, all over the place. We envision studios like this for podcasting and video, like Starbucks. I want you to be in a place where you can go down to the to the, you know, the local area, pop in, do a podcast. We, we want to see, you know, these, these guys that meet at Starbucks and they do their, their meetings at Starbucks. We want to, we want to have a place where you can come in, do a meeting, do a podcast interview like rent the studio out. We want to help everybody get their message out and the best way we've seen to do that is to commercial real estate, right These multi properties where business is already happening and you've got a revenue, you got business there with the, with the, with the commercial real estate and the rent that's happening there. But you also now have property where we can build out simple studio. You know, you can staff them with, with entry level professionals and have business owners coming in all day long, record a podcast, record a video, get some editing done, Rent an editing bay like the FedEx of video production. So that's, that's sort of, if I had the money right now, that's where I would go with it.

That's fantastic. That's similar to some ideas I've had to help people too. And I'm glad we're on the same page with that because there's so many people that should be getting their message out and even more so not just getting their message out, but the ripple effect of all the people they're gonna help. I always knew you had the heart and the knowledge and I love showcasing people like that and I'm looking for more of them and I know there's hundreds and thousands and millions of them. It's just they don't know where to go because let's be honest, some of this stuff can get a little overwhelming.

Yeah. Oh yeah, absolutely. Especially if you're a newbie in it. And so the key is one step at a time, clear cut goal in mind.

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Yeah. Let's do it.

All right. Simple 60 second answers, three questions, rapid fire. First one, in your experience, what is the fastest path to the cash?

The fastest path to the cash is to identify.

Leads online or in person and to pitch them your product or service. Skip the fluff, skip the, you know, the pre show and say, hey, you know, you're doing this. I do this. Can we talk a little bit about how I can help you? Right.

That'S it. You use video to support that. You know, hey, great to meet you. You do a video, it's like, hey, great to meet you today. Here's what we're going to do in our next thing, or hey, great to meet you today. And here's how I like to help my people, you know, use video to nurture that customer before the sale. But the best way to make money is just go ask people to buy from you. Nobody does this anymore. Everyone's doing webinars and Facebook ads. You know what I mean? And no, it's not working for anybody. You know, it's like the top 3% of advertisers are getting a result. So, you know, go ask people to buy from you and then see how many out of 100 you converted.

Very good. Number two, what is the biggest problem you see your prospects making and the fastest way they can fix it?

Okay, the biggest problem that my prospects are facing is they're not creating content designed to attract the market. Okay, so, so here's company A, and they serve, you know, customer A, but they're making videos for customer X. Right. And really what happens is the business owner is, is, is making content that they, that they, they came up with at last minute. Oh, I got to do a show. Let's do, let's do this one. Right, as opposed to like, you know, seeing what people are searching for, doing a survey with your audience and seeing what they're looking for, what their troubles Are and then making a, you know, a season of content, you know, based on one need. Right. In particular, that's how you become an expert, is connecting with the video you're making directly to a need in the audience. This is what we do for belive tv and we've done so well, you know, with each episode growing more and more every week because we're speaking directly to the audience and to the needs that they're feeling, which is, you know, grow your show, better show and how to convert your show. Right. It's like the core three things that we talk about. So more than 60 seconds, but it's.

All right, it's, it's valuable insight. Appreciate you for sharing. Number three, what is the best way to maximize customer lifetime value?

Maximize customer lifetime value. So tier a tiered stair stepper product model. We've called this productizing in the past, right. And this is where a lot of our clients, in the early days we would meet with clients that hadn't even started their business yet, right. Or they had no idea what to sell. I've, you know, got a couple of these in the video marketing school now. But you know, it's, you gotta sell more than one thing. You gotta have like this, this main workhorse thing that you sell, an upsell to that and a downsell to that. And now what you're doing is you have an entry level offer that you can nurture people on, plus your workhorse which you can upgrade them to. Right. You've also got an advanced upsell from there and then that can expand right into a higher level, into a higher level product. So by stair steppering, you know, by stair stepping your product model or your service model, you'll, you'll make more money on the lifetime of a customer, which is probably gonna be about, you know, one year for most of you, maybe two years. Right. Like many of us in the service business don't necessarily have.

A 20 year lifetime of a customer. Right. Like Walmart or tied with bleach does. Right. So you're thinking, how do I maximize this clients, you know, in one year or you know, it's a little bit harder to do is do you have a one year program and then a second year program. Right. The reason those are getting harder to do is because, you know, people want results faster. And so now you're looking at like, you know, four week turnover times or 12 week turnover times. And so now you gotta have something else, something else beyond that. And that it's tough to do. You know, I, I would Rather see you have like, you know, one core thing that you do over and over and over again and crush the sales of that and then introduce a top, upper level tier product to serve them. So you know, by having that, that stair stepper model, you'll be able to sell them more over the 12 month period.

Very good. What books have made a big impact on your business? You mentioned one earlier, but do you have a couple others?

Oh yeah. I mean, I would say big changes. Expert Secrets by Russell Brunson, no doubt. You know, I'm reading now the Wealthy Gardener, which is phenomenal. Really out of left field for me to read this particular book. But as soon as I saw it I was like, I think I need to read that. And it's been eye opening, really challenging. Great stuff that's helped me to think more about the future and who I am as a person and how to build the business I want to love or that I really love. I would say that those are two big ones. Lifetime perspective books that have changed my life. 21 irrefutable laws of leadership absolutely has changed my perspective on things. Rich dad, Poor dad. And I've of course read those 10, 15 years ago, you know, but those are the books that woke me up and got me out of the rat race and looking at entrepreneurialism as a career.

Love everything you've shared and have no doubt we could do a half day training, full day training, but this has been incredible. Thank you so much for sharing with Expert Authority World.

Thank you for having me on the show and thank you for raising the bar in live streaming. The show that you've put together here, Mario, is fantastic and I really want to see you continue your success and set the example for other streamers. So thank you for having me.

Well, wow. I really appreciate that.

Wow.

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