S2:E13 - Bob Guiel - Advanced Detoxification - Enterprise Fitness Podcast

This podcast is proudly brought to you by Enterprise Fitness. Hey folks, it's Mark Ottobre here, owner and founder of Enterprise Fitness, and in this episode we're going to take a trip down memory lane once again with my very close friend and sensei Bob Buell. This podcast, me listening back to it, is a little bit comical, uh, in fact. Reason being is Bob and I— I consider Bob one one of my closest friends and a dear, dear mentor and someone who I truly admire and respect. He's taught me an amazing amount in the field of health, fitness, supplementation, biochemical pathways. You know, I credit him as, you know, he's my number one in terms of mentors and go-to, I suppose, people and senseis in the world of supplementation, health, and, you know, optimizing health. So he taught me muscle testing, and I mean, I've had him, you know, in this podcast we talk about coming to Australia, and I think some of you know, as the story goes, well, I've had Bob out to Australia, you know, a couple of times a year for the last couple of years. So we've developed quite a close friendship, and this was really the, the conversation that kicked it off. So, um, yeah, I now teach the muscle testing course. Bob's given me his permission, and it's an amazing tool and resource that we use. And, you know, hopefully very soon In maybe next year or so, we'll be able to bring Bob out again. And, you know, if you do get the opportunity to learn from Bob, it's an opportunity that is very special. Bob is a purist clinician. He is a master at what he does. When Bob teaches, you really know that you're being taught by someone who's not only just wise, but someone— it's truth has a resonance. And when Bob speaks, you listen because he speaks truth. So he's someone I respect profoundly, I admire, and very, very grateful to call him my friend. So please enjoy this podcast. You know, Bob is a tremendous resource, and I kind of, you know, really have a saying that if Bob said it, well, it must be true because Bob, you know, he's right about a lot of things, and when he doesn't know something, you know, he's humble enough to say he doesn't know. But please enjoy and let us know what you think at the end of the podcast. You know, check us out on our social, Facebook, Instagram, and of course our YouTube, which is growing. And if you like this podcast, jump on our SoundCloud account and Enterprise Fitness on SoundCloud and subscribe to us there, as well as the iTunes. And always really, really appreciate any comments, or if you guys want to share this. And we do it for the love of it. I know I do it for the love of it and just really want to get the good information out. And hopefully one day I'll see you in seminar and I'll be able to teach you what Bob— and pass the torch forward. Hopefully one day, if you're listening to this, you'll have me on your podcast show and I'll be talking about the great Bob Gill. So enjoy this and speak to you on the other side. So welcome to the show, Bob. How are you doing today?

I'm doing good, Mark. Thanks for having me.

Excellent. So how did— I mean, I've learned from you in seminar when Charles Poliquin brought you out to Australia and you taught muscle testing to the class. But how did Bob Gill become Bob Gill, health and fitness and nutrition extraordinaire? Tell us a little bit about your story and how you got to where you are today.

Well, it's kind of a long story. Started quite a few years ago. I had met this chiropractor who was doing muscle testing. I was probably in my early 30s at the time. and I went in one day and I wasn't feeling well. And he said, "Well, I do this, this technique. Let me try it on you. Maybe I can help you figure it out." And he started doing the muscle testing at me and of course, that was back in the early '80s and I thought for sure he flipped. I thought he lost his mind. But he was— he did become a good friend so I listened to him and I did everything he said and sure enough, in a couple of weeks I started feeling better. He soon became my primary care. Then after a few years and deciding I wanted to redirect my life, I went back to school, took a job working with him, mentored directly under him, and he guided me through the whole thing. And then I just kept pursuing the education. And basically that's how it started. And here I am today. I just continue to learn and grow and I really enjoy the field.

So when you say you kept pursuing education, what are some things that have had, in terms of education, a profound impact on the work that you do today?

I'll be honest with you, the thing that has the most profound impact— education, it was great, but you can only get so much from education. What's had the most profound impact is many of the seminars that I've gone to and you keep an open mind and you listen to what these people have to say and then you try it in practice. Being open-minded and understanding that there is no one answer to anything. So you have to take in as much as you can and you have to work with it.

So were you trained formally as a nutritionist?

Yes, I have a master's degree in nutritional biochemistry or applied clinical nutrition.

So from there, obviously what you do today, would you say is very different to what you were formally taught?

No, I wouldn't say it's different. I would say it's advanced itself. My training wasn't as a dietitian. My training was specific from New York Chiropractic College in using nutrition, nutritional supplementation, herbal medicine to help augment chronic illnesses and disease states. Completely different than a dietitian.

Righty. So just, just I suppose to define the difference, what, what, what is the major difference between how you were trained and how a dietitian is trained?

Well, dietitian is mostly trained for a hospital setting. They're, they're training specific to dietary needs, which can get a little skewed, as we know. If you've ever stayed in the hospital, it's hard to believe that some of your food comes from a nutritionist. But, um, so they're trained more for the hospital setting, and as they get more advanced, they're trained in tube feeding, things of this nature. One of the— I don't know about in Australia, but one of the big conflicts here is dietitians are taught to preach the food pyramid. My training was specifically— and we looked at the pathways, what vitamins, minerals, nutrients, what pathways did they belong into, how did they fit into those pathways, and how did they help in resolving specific disease states. We have some of the similar training as nutritionists, but it goes a little bit farther than that, and we look at a lot of research-based evidence to back up what we have to do. And that's pretty much the difference.

Okay, so really concerning yourselves with the pathways of how the body actually functions and then using things like food and supplementation to open up those pathways, whereas a dietitian is essentially just there to keep someone from being ill. Is that probably a fair summary?

Yeah, to keep them nourished when they're sick. Yeah.

Alrighty, so tell us about your practice. You know, what tools do you use to help your clients to optimize their health?

I use a vast array of tools. Obviously, as you know, I use the muscle testing as my, my main source, my main tool, but I use a wide variety of nutritional supplements from several companies. I use herbal medicine, I use homeopathy, I use— obviously I augment everything with, with diet and exercise science as much as possible. So I provide kind of a whole health holistic kind of a pathway. It really covers everything. And if there's something I can't handle, I'm in the office with a chiropractor who also does a lot of soft tissue work. So we bounce off each other in that respect. In my office, we have— we just opened up a new office. We have a full exercise facility as well. So we pretty much cover, aside from prescribing medications, we cover anything and everything you would need to maximize your health.

And is there a common client that you see, or do you really have a very broad range of clientele that comes into you treat?

Yeah, my— I do have a broad range. I get, I get a lot of people that are referred. I would say the main referral base for my business is people who've been chronically ill, have been passed from doctor to doctor, been through the medical field, aren't getting the results they want, maybe on 4, 5, 6, 8 medications, still not feeling well, sick of getting the runaround from the doctors, and predominantly what I get, no matter what age, what ailment, what the situation is. That's the predominant type of person I see in my practice. Aside from that, I also do weight loss, do some rehab. I do get some people, and I am PICT certified, so I get some people who just want to do something different with their workouts. I get children as young as 5 and clients as old as 85.

So quite a big spectrum. And do you do any lab testing, like formal lab testing, like organic acid profile, hair mineral analysis testing, bloods, or do you just use the muscle testing?

I predominantly use the muscle testing. I will look at any lab tests that they bring in. Massachusetts is kind of funny. Because as an MS, I'm not allowed to run those tests. If I were in another state, I could run those tests. Massachusetts doesn't allow you to. Connecticut or New York or Vermont, I could do it. So, um, that said, if I need blood work done or if I feel that I should run some of those tests, I will have the chiropractor— he can, he can run them and he'll run them for me.

Yeah, so I, I know what your, um, your form of muscle testing is, and I know how involved it is and how you use the leg and how it is quite different to, you know, a lot of people on the line who are listening now, they might go, yeah, I've done muscle testing before. That's the thing where you put your hand out and someone pushes on it, but your form of muscle testing is quite different. Just want to explain a little bit of, I suppose, the difference between your style and the standard way.

Okay, well, muscle testing is kind of like the martial arts. The truth is there's a lot of similarity. The difference when you look at most muscle tests, I use the leg first off. I'd like to clarify that because it's a lot harder for the client to cheat and resist with the leg. So you get a lot truer of a reading as you've probably seen when you've had the muscle testing. It's a lot easier for them to kind of cheat with the arm. For whatever reason, the leg is just more telling. But the biggest thing with, with the form of muscle testing that I do, and all the other ones are out there, is pretty much all other muscle testing is on the paradigm that strong is good, weak is bad, and they leave it there. The biggest thing with the form of muscle testing that I do in the way that I use it is there's— it goes beyond that. And as you've seen it, you know, probably in the class A lot of people get stuck on this, what we call the clearing pattern, which becomes the most difficult thing. That becomes more telling, and it's based on the fact that strong or weak doesn't really mean as much. It doesn't give you an answer as much as when the body really is trying to address something or fix something, the energy pattern changes. And it's hard to explain this way. It's a lot easier obviously to do it in court, in class. But as I told you, and I'm sure you remember, when you look at your hand as a tool, there's 3 different polarities on your hand. You have neutral, positive, and negative. And when you can get these changes and patterns and you can see how it changes, you get a more beneficial healing effect. Anybody who's done standard muscle testing where they use the strong is good weak is bad mentality, whenever I teach them how to go beyond that and look at these changes in patterns and go for the clearing pattern, almost always 100% of the time will contact me and say they're learning so much more, they're seeing so much more in their patients. I understand what you mean by this. It just carries— it's kind of like the person who taught me, it would say that if you were to look at standard muscle testing Compared to that pattern, standard muscle testing is kind of an undergrad, and when you look at what we do, it's more like a postgrad. It just goes that much deeper into the body. So is that clear enough?

That is, absolutely. So there's obviously— you touched on a couple of things about a clearing pattern. Where does, I suppose, the clearing pattern come from? Now, this is obviously something that's been around for quite a while. Can you talk about the history of it a little bit?

Well, the people that taught me muscle testing years ago when they were first doing it, obviously they were schooled in several different techniques and they fell upon it accidentally. And this was back in the— I believe in the '80s. They fell upon it accidentally and they found this weird paradigm and started to realize that your, your hand actually has different— the back of your hand has a different polarity than the palm of your hand, and it's different than the fingertips. So they started experimenting with it, and there were other doctors involved at the time. I know of one out in California and a couple other doctors. So they started experimenting with this, and they actually did a study where they took about 300 patients and Half of them were treated with the old paradigm— strong is good, weak is bad— and the others were treated with this new find about the clearing pattern. And the results were so significantly better with the clearing pattern. In addition, you could use so much less supplements. To get a better result because it was just more specific to the client, if you know what I mean. So from there, they just started preaching that in the NRT model, and it's become kind of a stay— oh, by the way, before we go too far, there are two forms of NRT out there, so let's not get this confused. Um, basically, when you look at the clearing pattern and what does it mean, if you take— let's say, for instance, you have a thyroid issue If the thyroid is actually damaged and you want to repair it, when you're doing muscle testing and you're looking at the type of work you do with it, you're actually trying to elicit the body's ability to actually correct the problem. And the easiest way to clarify that is when, when you test something and it gets strong and that supports the thyroid, That's usually what you'll see in muscle testing. It's kind of treating allopathically with natural supplements. They'll take and they'll give them thyroid support, but it doesn't necessarily fix the thyroid. It just keeps it functioning better. When you go into this paradigm of the clearing pattern, which is hard to explain via words, but it gets weak again, but it gets weak with all aspects of the hand. The easiest way to define that is simply that, and this will make sense, is that if the body can really fix something, it's going to now send or pulse more energy to that area. So the energy actually starts to pulse, and that's the change in the pattern which we call the clearing pattern.

Righty, and just to backtrack just one second, just to catch the listener up to speed, can you just talk a little bit and just define NRT?

I'm sorry, say that again.

Can you just define NRT just for the listener to catch them up to speed?

I don't think— NRT is Nutritional Reflex Technique. There's another one out there and I can't remember what the NRT stands for, but it was— this was designed by Dr. Gary Lesneski and patented in the '80s.

Okay. And you also— there's also the implementation of I believe it's not acupuncture sites, but it's very similar. You have sites on the body that you can— for thyroid, for metabolism, etc. Do you want to touch on these a little bit?

Yeah, there are several points on the human body, and when you look at these points that we use for muscle testing, they correlate directly with acupuncture points. The only difference is Our definition is a little bit different. We use more of a Western understanding of biochemistry to define those acupuncture points as opposed to the Eastern definition. And for instance, let's say you have a liver point and the liver shows that it's weak. In acupuncture, you know, they would say, you know, liver Qi is damp or something to that effect. What we do is we actually look at it and within our Qi we can look at it and say, okay, well, the liver point is off. Why? Is it because of the phase 1 or phase 2 problem? Is it viral? Is it a fatty liver? Is the liver off because there's something else going on in the body that's stressing the liver? And that's how we look at it.

Good. And how long, uh, how long has the way you have been doing this been? So you said it started in the '80s, is that right?

Yes.

Okay, and you've been practicing this style since— how long have you been in practice for this?

I started learning it about 14 years ago.

Excellent. So you're one of the, what you'd call, early adapters to the scene.

Right. I'm actually the only one certified by the people who originally developed this technique to actually teach it other than Dr. Lesniewski himself.

Now I know there's going to be a couple of people on the line and I've definitely used muscle testing, the NRT style, which you taught me as an adjunct to the BioSignature, and definitely with great success. I actually wrote an article about Janet Kane, how I implemented both BioSignature and muscle testing to help her essentially win one of her competitions in Miss Australia. And as I said, it worked absolutely amazingly. But there's obviously going to be some people out there who are kind of a little bit on the fence. So what would you say to people who would say to you muscle testing is more hocus pocus? How would you respond to that?

Yeah, I hear that all the time. In fact, I'm often called the voodoo doctor, the wizard, the alien doctor. I'm often called all kinds of things because of that. It's like anything else. And I've had chiropractors and doctors say this to me, well, there's no scientific proof behind it. I think as a worldwide society, we've gotten to the point where we believe that if scientists have— and science hasn't already defined it, then there's no science behind it. Where science used to be, well, we don't understand it, let's figure it out. So one of the things I say is there is a science behind it. And if you've ever taken quantum— or I'm sorry, organic chemistry, You'll know that all molecules are held together by electromagnetic frequency. So everything basically has a frequency, a unique frequency in and of itself. So what the body is registering is it's registering that frequency. When you look at these acupuncture points, they have their own frequencies. In fact, I saw photos documented at MIT that show these halos of energy that engulf all these acupuncture points. And they've shown, uh, certain types of photos that can show the auras of energy around human beings. So they know they're there, they just don't understand what they're for. So when you look at these acupuncture points and how they relate to deficits in the body, if there's a problem, the correlating acupuncture points, the energy will be deficient. So when you're testing them, the body can read these electromagnetic fields with the supplements and things like that, and it can determine whether it's good, bad, or indifferent to the body. And no matter how you define it, it kind of sounds hokey until you go through it, right?

So another thing that I would— I just like to add on— sorry, are you going to say something else?

No, I was going to say, does that kind of clear it up for you?

Yeah, definitely. So basically, just to recap, there is a science to it. It's just that it hasn't yet been explained in, I suppose, a quantifiable term yet. Would you agree with that?

I solely— I wholly agree with that. You'd have to look at— it would be a quantum physics model, definitely, and bioenergetics. And probably the reason that there hasn't been anybody to scientifically prove it, because as you know, research is expensive and nobody's putting the money into trying to identify these halfway in these facts.

Well, definitely when the money would be made by the practitioner, not by the pharmaceutical company.

Right, and as we all know, most of the money goes in their favor. So anyway, we won't get into that, right?

Well, if you want to, but we'll move on to the next question. Another thing I'd like to just add to this, I remember you teaching me this, is that muscle testing only works to the degree of knowledge of the tester. So for example, if someone doesn't understand how glutathione works in the body, they won't be able to test for it. Is that correct?

Yes, that's exactly correct. I've seen these seminars where they'll take in anybody and teach them muscle testing, and these people run out now and they think that they're some spiritual healer. It's, it's— how can you, how can you effectively— as you said, if you don't understand the glutathione pathways, how can you effectively treat it. You know, if you're testing liver and you don't know what phase 1 or phase 2 detox is, how can you test for it?

Hmm.

You know, so the practitioner has to test to the level of their ability. And that's not to say, like yourself, you've had some really good success with it. That doesn't mean you can start learning more and carrying it a little bit farther. Hmm. But don't— in other words, if you're a personal trainer and you've got extensive knowledge on, you know, the BioSig and using nutrients for performance, weight loss, things like that, don't try to cure cancer with it. It's not going to work. You don't understand the biochemistry of the cancer. How are you going to, how are you going to understand it?

Absolutely. Yeah, it's a good way to put it. So you really have to use it specifically for what your, uh, trying to do with a client. As I said, in my case, it's always about optimal body composition. So when using it, it's using it in the perspective of optimal body composition, not in perspective of healing, which is a very—

right, which is not to say that, you know, if you took another course, I was able to teach you a few more points, give you a few basic understandings, and then you did some research, you wouldn't be able to carry a little bit farther.

Yeah, got it. Now, you have lectured on behalf of the, uh, the Polyquint Institute there was a funny story how you got the gig. Something about Charles putting harmful pharmaceuticals in a muscle testing kit and then labeling it as a vitamin or something. Would you be able to tell us a little bit about that story?

Yeah, it is kind of a funny story because I had no idea who Charles Poliquin was, and you know Charles. So I get this phone call one day in my office, and I'm like, "Hey, you love you?" "Yeah, can I help you?" You do muscle testing? Yeah. All right, I want you to come down to my place tomorrow and show me. I'm like, well, who is this? You know, that's Charles. So anyways, I went down there and I talked to him, and I realized that he was, um, really serious about this, and I got to know him really well. So he said, okay, um, I'd like you to test some things on me. And, um, so I went through my testing. It was all quick and dirty testing, and I found some things with him. And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's like, go test this, test this. And he put something in the hand. I said, don't you ever, don't you ever take this, whatever it is. I don't know what's in here, but it'll shut your heart down. And he goes, hey, no, Charles, I'll tell you what he said. But anyways, he sat up and he said, you're the first person I've had. I don't know what he said, 5 or 6 different people coming in here doing muscle testing, and they all said, oh, you need this, this is great, this helps you a lot. And I was able to see that it would stop his heart. And the reason being is because again it goes back to that paradigm. I didn't go by the precedent that strong is good and weak is bad. I went beyond that. All the other muscle testers, it made it strong, so they thought it was good. It would have killed them.

What was in the vial?

I don't even remember. I know he said one of them was rat poisoning or something to that effect.

Yeah, yeah, definitely. So yeah, it just kind of goes one step further as to what you were saying before about this being the— what would you say, the post-grad study of muscle testing?

Yes.

Yeah, but almost in that example, it almost shows that without this kind of awareness of muscle testing, muscle testing can actually do harm. You know, if you're just searching for strong, especially in the case that you just gave there. So in terms of your overarching philosophy around health and fitness, what are some things that you can teach the listener today to start maximizing their health?

Maximize their health? Yeah. One of the key things I can say is a phrase that I learned a long time ago, and it was from one of the one of the most famous health gurus of my life growing up. That's basically, if man made it, don't eat it.

That was Jack Lalanne?

Jack Lalanne, yes. Yeah. The most important thing with people, it's very hard to say because you don't know what you're genetically predisposed to. You don't know what's going on. You don't know what's inside your health. The biggest thing that I can say is, and I'm sure you'll agree with this, I'm a big advocate of pretty much eating the Paleolithic diet, drinking filtered water only, and trying to stay as clean as you can. And take some— take a good healthy multivitamin. The biggest problem people make with supplements is they try to get the cheapest, the best deal they can. Vitamins are like everything else out there. You get what you pay for. That would be the quickest and easiest way. I did a talk the other day at the local hospital for stroke patients, and they were asking me something about the food, and I kind of stopped everybody and I said, well, what you guys don't understand is you're asking me questions. You're asking me how you can cheat. You're not asking me the healthiest way to eat. You're asking me how you can cheat. Most of you are here today because of the way you ate. Then I went on to talk about basically the Paleo diet and the benefits of that and processed carbs and how that's probably got them where they are.

What's one thing— I know this is a little bit off topic, but what's one thing that you see in your practice in terms— I know you spoke before about pathways, but is there specific pathways that you see a lot more common today than, you know, I suppose when you started because of a poor diet?

One thing that I see a lot now, and it's getting more and more— in fact, I had a, just the other day, a 9-year-old girl, sudden onset OCD, came in my office. They wanted to put on a ton of meds. Her mom heard about me, said, can you help me? It was gluten, right? Yep, yep, gluten, gluten, vitamin D, Poor glutathione pathways, poor methylation pathways, those are very, very common.

So vitamin D, something like a B6, B9, B12, and a multivitamin is— and a gluten-free diet is essentially the advice, I suppose, that gets commonly prescribed.

Yeah, even in my work with polycystic kidney disease, there's probably Dozens of people tell you that just, just by me muscle testing and finding out they had problems with gluten that they didn't know changed their lives.

Yeah, I had Dr. Tom O'Brien on the show a couple months ago now. Sorry, almost a year, 2 years ago now. But yeah, he was—

I know Dr. O'Brien.

Yeah, yeah, he's got a great couple of set of DVDs. I remember you testing me on gluten and I was one of the few in the class who had absolutely no sensitivities to it, but I still stay 100% away from it after learning what I've learned from Tom. Yeah, I don't even want to risk it. Detox—

it's not a good food for anybody. No.

Detoxification is a buzzword that gets thrown around the industry a heck of a lot today. Now, I learned some pretty important stuff from you. Can you share with us some basic stuff about detoxification that most people really get wrong?

Yeah, one of the biggest things with detoxification is it's not as easy as people think it is. A lot of people will go on these detox protocols like the 10-day fasting detox and those types of things. Those don't really, really pull toxins out of the tissue. When you look at things like mercury, arsenic, lead, cadmium, they have affinities for specific tissues. So when you do a basic detox protocol, all you're doing is you're cleaning out your gut. You're not really pulling out things out of the tissue. That's, that's a much harder job than people realize. And there's other things you have to do. One of the big mistakes people make— this is one of the biggest— is when detoxing, is all the enzymes that your liver needs to detox things are protein dependent. And these people fast and they limit the amount of proteins they take in, and they're actually stressing their liver more.

So this is why vegetarians are the poorest detoxifiers out of all groups.

Yes.

Yeah, because they can't— sorry, go on.

Yeah, they are one. Not only because they're protein deficient, they're deficient in a lot of key nutrients.

So would you say one of the, I suppose, P1 and P2, because P2 being obviously needing the amino acids, it both gets dramatically sacrificed in terms of function. But yeah, I know especially if you go on Facebook, a lot of people talk about alkalinity and how an alkaline diet will help detoxify you when, you know, if you know the pathways, that actually is not true because of the fact that you need the amino acids to essentially, you know, make it through for a full complete detoxification. Is there anything you'd like to add, I suppose, on the alkalinity and acidity balance that people often get wrong too.

Yeah, the biggest problem with that is, yes, you know, there's a lot of evidence that shows that certain things can make you more acidic, and in those cases you want to, you know, you want to alkaline a little bit. And if you have a cancer or something to that effect, to run slightly alkaline can be more beneficial. But what people don't get— and this is because it's a big fad around here now too— is You can get alkalosis as well. You can get so alkaline that you're— and again, your enzymes don't function correctly and you get all kinds of other problems because you're too alkaline. The body has a homeostatic range which it wants to work. For health benefits, you want to just be slightly on the more alkaline range of that homeostatic range. You don't want to be super alkaline, just like you don't want to be super acidic. Your body has many mechanisms to help control that. Diet being one of them. But, you know, proteins don't really make you acidic the way you think. If you're getting too acidic from protein, you're just probably simply not eating enough vegetables.

Just elaborating on that point, because I mean, there are probably— I know I get asked this probably from time to time, maybe once a month, about alkalinity and versus acidity. But I once heard that cancer cells are actually killed off at night when you're in an acidic state. Is this something you've seen or learned?

I'll tell you, to be honest with you, I hear so many conflicting stories about cancer cells. I read an interesting article and I posted on my Facebook thing the other day about an interview regarding Suzanne Somers and how she cured her own cancer. This company went and they interviewed these doctors and they admitted that 30 to 40% of all cancers would probably cure themselves anyway. But they still force everybody to get on chemo and their success rate is like 3%. So one of the doctors admittedly said was that we're actually killing people who probably would survive the cancer. Wow.

I actually had a— I did a private consult with a very good functional medicine doctor here in Australia. And he said that in terms of cancer, if you look at the numbers, having a best friend improves your chances of surviving cancer around 8 to 16%. Having 2 best friends increases it another 8%. And he basically went on to say that if you, if you do all these, I suppose, holistic lifestyle things like being connected to the earth and etc., etc., it greatly improves your risks, greatly improves your chances of curing your own cancer. But then he also went on to say that the statistics on chemo leave out one thing. The thing they leave out is the fact is it's only a 5-year window that they're showing you, meaning that it will cure your cancer for 5 years, but at the 5th year you'll get it again. And that's the biggest problem with chemo. And if you analyze it in a 10-year window, it's actually a 1% improvement rate, which I found extremely interesting.

Exactly. And you know, that's— it's such a money-driven, bogus way of looking at healthcare. It infuriates me. I just recently had a very, very good friend who passed away from cancer, and that was a horror story. He had a tumor removed. I had him really, really healthy about 3 to 4 months into it. He was doing really good. The tumor hadn't grown. He was He was out playing golf, doing what he wanted to do, decided to get into this study, went into the study. 2 and a half weeks into the study, they kicked him out because 2 and a half weeks after being on the drug, his tumor grew to 8 inches and they kicked him out. Wow. Yeah, that's, uh, so in my mind, the, the chemotherapy actually promoted the tumor growth.

That's That's incredible. So moving on to a different topic again, you see a lot of athletes. What do you think is one thing that overall athletes do wrong with their nutrition and supplementation? Besides the pre-workouts.

Yeah, it's amazing how many athletes don't know how to eat, don't understand how much protein they should take in, don't know how to space out their meals. Skip breakfast, drink way too much, and that type of thing. Again, the biggest— I keep coming back to this and I drive back to this because I preach it— is really when you look at the Paleolithic diet, just eat smart. They typically don't consume enough protein and then they drink way too much.

When you say they drink way too much, are you saying they drink alcohol too much?

Alcohol. They drink way too much alcohol.

What's something in terms of— so obviously aside from getting the nutrition more Paleolithic, cutting back on the alcohol, obviously removing gluten, do you see a lot of errors in terms of supplementation with athletes? Because I know for me I see a lot of people who train quite hard just taking a lot of the wrong supplements. What are some commonalities you've seen?

Oh yeah, all the time. A big one is The omega-3s. I've seen a lot of people, a lot of athletes who— they flip the scales the wrong way because now their omega-3s are too high with respect to the omega-6 and omega-9. They take too many for too long a period. I try to explain to them that they should cycle on and off of them. That's a big one. It really depends because what I see is a lot of people doing is They're going to your GNC or they're reading something online and they're buying some useless supplement over the counter, you know, like these NO2 boosters and the energy drinks. That's some of the stuff I see that is disgustingly abused. Even Gatorade. People drink Gatorade like it's water and it throws off your electrolytes if you drink too much. You know, that's common. Yeah, but it's just, it's just seeing what they see and mimicking everybody else. I think that's what irritates me the most. I don't know. Yeah, what about you?

Uh, what I see, I, I see a lot of, uh, probably like the biggest thing I see is people use, using sports supplement brands or chemist brands. So they, they might be taking Well, a lot of the time when they're using the sports supplement brands, they're taking the completely wrong products. So they're taking things like pre-workouts that have too much caffeine, too much, too much of everything basically. And it's keeping them up at night, it's keeping them amped, and they're not able to fall asleep and these type of things. Or they're on a lot of fat burners, just too aggressive in the supplements they're taking because they, they want to feel something. They want to have a pump during a workout and feel invincible, but what they don't realize is that there's a downside to that as well. The fact that they, you know, for lack of a better word, their yin energy isn't being replenished.

Right.

That's probably the biggest thing that I see.

That's— I guess that's what I was trying to say, but you just said it more eloquently than I did. It's just taking everything and pumping themselves up and buying, you know, on the internet, buying over-the-counter, and buying things that aren't really scientifically thought out. Yeah, it's the— like I said, the NO2 boosters and the, uh, the energy drinks and the pre-workout stacks, you know, taking way too much.

Yeah. And the other thing as well with fish oil is a lot of them take fish oil that's the cheapest, which obviously has the heavy metals in it, um, which are the— again, then they have a problem of detoxifying heavy metals. So, uh, you know, just there's this perpetuating cycle of they take the supplements, but they're taking the wrong supplements, so it's actually not doing— it's stressing out their body more than what it's worth. They just need to spend the money on the right stuff.

Correct.

Buy less and get better. So, do you have any final thoughts?

In regard to?

I suppose just everything that we've spoken about today. I suppose your overarching summary of our discussion today?

Just that, you know, your, your health is yours and you have to own it. You have to take care of it. You need to— you need to seek out good, reliable, educated people. There's, there's too much information on the internet now, and this is— again, goes back to the athletes. They're getting misled. People like yourself, people like me, people like Charles Poliquin, people who really are good authorities and know— people need to understand that that's where they need to take their healthcare to. Taking your healthcare completely in your own hands is kind of like prescribing yourself prescription medications. You really don't know enough about it. Seek someone who does. You're just guessing. Again, it brings us back to what you said. People just buying everything, buying all these things, buying whatever is the cheapest, taking way too much. Now they're building up toxicities in their bodies. They're not sleeping right. Everything is off. That's why we're here.

Go ahead. I was just going to ask, what are you currently working on?

In what respect?

Uh, at the moment, uh, what are you just practicing now? Are you looking at running any seminars or anything like this in the future?

Um, well, I, I am. I, I've, I've been talking to, uh, Tom Hibbert in England. It looks like I'm probably going to be doing a 2-day muscle testing seminar out there at the end of February. Um, I'd like to get in a couple more. I really, um I like to share what I know. I like— like yourself, you remember the seminar we had. People get it and they understand it and they use it like you are. It really just makes me feel good about what I'm doing. So I'd like to do more seminars. I'm doing a few talks locally. I'm doing a talk on stroke at the University of Massachusetts in November. I'm giving a talk on gluten sensitivity this week in Northampton. Other than that, really right now just practicing. Like I said, we moved into a new building and it looks like it's gonna be a start of something really good. I've been focused on that. I'd like to get back into teaching more muscle testing though because there's a lot of receptive people out there like yourself that really got it. I know you're doing good things with it.

Awesome. So we can get you out to Australia. We most certainly will. I'll put the feelers out and see if we can— you'd come to Australia?

Oh yes, definitely. You guys heard it first here. I share a few friends out there and I had already asked them if I were to come out and do a seminar, would they be interested, and it was a pretty resounding yes.

Awesome, great to hear. So all the listeners on the line, if you are interested in a seminar in Australia with Bob, do contact us and we can obviously— that's info@enterprisefitness.com.au. And we can see what we can do. That's awesome. And how can people get in contact with you?

Right now I'm working on a website. It won't be done for another week or so. I am on Facebook, just Bob Geale. I also have my website for my business up there, Integrative Health and Fitness. Or they can email me at my email, bobgeale@yahoo.com.

Awesome. Well, thank you so much for your time today, Bob. It's been an absolute pleasure, and I know a lot of the listeners today will get a lot of great pearls of wisdom from the call. So thanks again.

Thank you, Mark. I really appreciate it. It's great.

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