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What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Love Life Podcast with me, Matthew Hussey. You know that occasionally I do interviews on this show. We don't do them every week or even every month, but occasionally I will have someone come by the show and talk to us about something that either complements what we're doing or is different and unique. The person that I am bringing you today is someone whose podcast I appeared on when I was out there talking about my own book, Love Life. And she was such a lovely human being and someone who I know Audrey and I have been excited to go and spend time with personally when we get the chance. She also goes between one of our favorite places in the world, Kauai, so we really want to go and meet her out in Kauai. But her name is Kimberly Snyder. She is a three times New York Times bestselling author, holistic wellness expert and nutritionist, international speaker and meditation teacher. She has authored six previous adult books before the one that we are going to talk about today. And she is also the founder of Saluna, a holistic lifestyle brand and the host of the top rated Feel Good podcast, which covers all aspects of holistic wellness. She has worked with all sorts of magnificent people like Drew Barrymore, Reese Witherspoon, and Channing Tatum. Channing Tatum? That's a good one. And she's here today to talk about her new book, the Hidden Power of the Five Parts. Empower your thoughts, balance your emotion, and unlock vibrant health. and abundance. Kimberly, hello.

What an intro, Matthew. It is so wonderful to be here with you today. I so enjoyed our chat. So very much looking forward to chatting again.

Yeah, I did too. And, you know, I think many people in my audience will be the audience that you might expect for your book, but I think that I am not the typical audience personally because I anytime, anytime I start hearing ideas about the heart and it's framed in a way.

Where.

There'S a kind of, how do I say? There's a almost like a, we're digging into a different way of talking about the heart. I am the person who immediately runs away because it, you know, probably partly because I've spent most of my life in my head and it's not, you know, connecting to my heart. And I want to talk about what you mean by that today is not something that I have, I don't think, been very good at in my life. It's not that I wouldn't describe myself as an emotional person. I describe myself as an intensely emotional person and a very sensitive person. But I think that I've spent most of my life in my head and not connecting to my heart. So I feel almost selfishly there's a, like, this is going to be an interesting education for me today, and I'm going to learn a lot by listening to your solutions to that. But maybe you can kind of start by talking about when you say the hidden power of the five hearts, what does the five hearts relate to? What do you mean by that?

Yes. So thank you so much, Matthew. And it's true, not just you, but most of us spend a lot of time in our heads just deciding what to eat or what to do or overthinking. Did this person mean this? So we live in this different sort of reality up in our heads. So first of all, when we're talking about the heart, I'm not talking about the sentimental or just the romantic heart, but this very practical intelligence, which we could all learn to awaken and turn on within ourselves. So when I was writing my last book, Matthew calls, you,'re More Than youn Think youk Are, I came across some incredible research around the heart, and it made me pause. And I said, Whoa. And then I started to take a deep dive. And just like my other books, I was, more than ever, I wanted to share this information that started to really transform my life. So when we're talking about the heart, Matthew, not this idea of the heart, but first of all, the physical and energetic center, this power center, which turns out to be another brain. There's 40,000 neurons in the heart. The heart sends more messages to the brain than vice versa. So why does this matter? Why it matters is when we find ourselves overthinking, playing out the same patterns, attracting the same relationships, We can actually start to create through these tools and teachings that I share in the book, what's called coherence. So coherence means the syncing up from your heart upward, changing your thoughts and perceptions in your nervous system. So you start to feel more centered and flow, clear, intuitive. You start to give off a different energy, which is measurable, which we'll talk about in a moment. And it really starts to change your life. I've been working in wellness now for over a decade, Matthew, I've, you know, As a nutritionist, as a meditation teacher, lifestyle, yoga, sleep, non-toxic products, you name it. But when I started learning about this heart work, which is the center of our being, it changed everything in my life in the past two, three years. I would say my relationship with my husband got about 90% better. The bickering, the separation we would feel at times because there was so much love, but the communication would feel off or we feel so hard sometimes. My energy went up about 70%, especially at the end of the day. I have two young kids running around. There's so many ways in which we drain our energy through these emotional ups and downs, which actually are not of the heart, they are of the mind, they are of the ego. So when we're talking about heart intelligence, we're talking about turning on this power in your heart, which can happen in as little as three to ten seconds throughout the day in these tools, and it starts to change your reality. So this hidden power is this ability to be more magnetic, to actually create what you want healthier relationships, more emotional resilience and intelligence, greater health, greater hormonal balance. All of this is measured in science, greater gut health. And the five hearts are five different realities that we can experience depending on our heart-brain communication.

So how almost like take me straight to the, yeah. front lines of how you influence that connection.

Okay. Okay. So let's talk. Yeah, let's talk about what the five hearts are first and then how we do it. Okay. So from Hawaii, where you and I love so much, Matthew, we talk about. I was coming across this research. This is really still place. And then I came across this book that's about the Vedic teacher. So I didn't make up these five heart stages. They've been written about in the oldest texts. in the world known as the Vedas, these five stages of the human heart, which it is laid out we all go through to awaken. It starts with the dark heart, which is where the heart and brain are in talking. Again, then the science started to line up with these stages into the propelled heart where we feel more action-oriented. I need to do this. I need to create more. I need people to like me. I need to be married and have two kids by the time I am 33. All the plans, all the ideas, right, outward focused. into the steady heart, where we start to steady in ourselves, the devoted heart, where we start to turn our intuition and really elevate love, compassion, these heart based qualities. And then the clear heart, which scientifically corresponds to heart brain harmony. So this is a state of flow, a start of oneness. So we all kind of gravitate towards these different heart stage in a day, in a moment, but we tend to inhabit one stage primarily in a period. So, for example, I can say I spent most of my life in the propelled heart, you know, perfectionist achievements. I could look back at my relationships and say, oh, I picked someone that seemed to fit into the plan. We knew the same people. We went to the same events. But there wasn't this deep connection. And then I can look back when I was in dark moments. Dark heart moments don't mean bad. It just means we can't see. The heart and brain aren't talking. So there can be a lot of fear. So I chose relationships that felt really safe because I have all these abandonment issues, which I'm still healing now from childhood. So people that I felt wouldn't abandon me. But in those periods, there was the safe person that I also didn't love that much because they were nice, but I didn't want them to leave me. So as we learn these tools, and we can go through some specific ones here in just a moment, Matthew, what happens is we start to awaken this power energetically, spiritually, scientifically. So this is where the energetic teachings that have been around for millennia, right? The Babylonians, the Egyptians, the Greeks, all world religions have talked about this gateway of the heart into this modern science, which is showing, hey, you get pregnant, you go in there, the heartbeat comes before the brain is formed. So there's a different type of intelligence. Through these 40,000 neurons, which are activating great change, physical change, vitality, health, clarity, all these things that we're looking for. And what we can also talk about this heart field, which allows you to attract more love and things that you want from this center right here.

So can you name me those five hearts again?

Yes. So again, this blew me away, Matthew, because I could see myself. I think we could all see ourselves in these moments. So I was learning the science and then I was learning the spiritual teachings and I was like, wait a second, they line up. So the dark heart, not dark as in evil, but dark like, you know, you're stumbling across a dark room. Heart and brain aren't talking. So these are the times where we feel confusion, low energy, we don't know what our purpose is. It feels so hard. Can't get off the couch. I'm just smoking weed or drinking all day or watching Netflix all night.

Lethargy, just this sadness, depression. How would that manifest in someone's love life by just kind of randomly, you know, picking whoever's in front of you or hooking up even though it doesn't satisfy you or, you know, just giving into destructive behaviors in your love life?

Settling, saying this is probably the best I'm going to get, you know, saying, or maybe I don't really deserve love. I guess, you know, maybe I'm this or I'm that or I'm too old, so people aren't going to want me. giving away, like you said, the hookups, like giving your body in times when you don't really feel connected.

So that's fear, scarcity, settling that kind of. Yeah.

Or in my case, like I said, if I, you know, I had this abandonment because my mom went back to work when I was two weeks old. It was being in my head and being like, well, I'll pick this person. He loves me a lot.

I.

He's nice. I kind of love him. But I'm going to choose this person because I know they're not going to abandon me. It.

Okay, so that is the dark heart where they are not talking, the head and the heart.

-No, not talking. So again, through these practices, which we can run through in a moment, Matthew, you start to create this greater coherence. So you get the heart and brain to talk again, even if you feel really lost or, oh, like I am so confused, I am in such a stuck low place, you can start to activate this connection at any time. So then you start to feel more energy as you move into what is called the propelled heart, which is where we see a lot of society Lot of social media, right? We start to find our worth externally. Oh, I have a lot of followers on TikTok. People like me. Um, you know, oh, this fits into my plan. This person looks good for me to be with. You know, my family will approve my followers. You'll like this person. You know, rigid plans, you know, I'm supposed to make this X amount, this salary or have these amounts of kids by a certain time. Very externally oriented. So there's more energy, but then we're subject to never feeling content, never feeling peaceful, always on, right? The burnout, the anxiety, the doing constantly. So in relationships, Matthew, what this looks like again is this person looks like the good person for me to be with, or I have to be in a relationship, I have to always be seeking for me to feel fulfilled.

Yeah. Okay. Got it. How the I have to always be seeking for me to be fulfilled. How is that different from the from the dark heart? I understand the difference in I'm finding worth externally, but I suppose those two are linked, right? If I'm always seeking, I'm always looking for worth outside.

Yeah, there's more energy in the propelled heart, right? This is where we get really into biohacking or self-help programs. We're constantly trying to follow people that are going to show us how to eat or lose the weight or be better or Do this or do that. There's this concept almost on the hamster wheel where the dark heart is sort of resigned to, you know, maybe I have no purpose, just a lot less energy, you know, I'm just going to...

-Kristin: -on the propelled heart, there's a sense of ambition. -KRISTIN: Yes. -KRISTIN: Being directed in a lot of the wrong ways, thinking that the solution is going to be that when I get a person that looks like this or validates me in this way, then I'm going to be good. Okay, so that's the propelled heart. What was the next one?

So the next one is the steady heart, Matthew, and I'm laughing because I can really put myself in these situations. So the steady heart is there's a big shift up in coherence, which means again, there's that syncing up between your heart and your brain. We can measure this with science. We did a research study on some of these techniques, actually. And what it feels like is I become more of the anchor to myself. Right, so I'll read you this quote really quick from Swami Shriyukt Deshwar who laid out these Vedas. He says that the core essentials of life are Sat, existence, Chit, consciousness, and Ananda, bliss. Here's the thing, Matthew. These three are the real necessities of the human heart and have nothing to do with anything outside of his self. So this is a very different energy that we're projecting out. I remember when we talked about your love life book, Sometimes we get into that desperate, you know, my biological clock is ticking, I have to find someone, I better go on 20 dates this weekend, this sort of frenetic energy into, wait, I know that I have value, I have worth, I don't have to be running so much, I can sit back and instead of trying to push and pull, I start to magnetize in, which we'll talk about in a minute, there's science to how we magnetize in and I've had incredible personal experiences with this. So we start to grow in energy and vitality. We start to, as I mentioned, I have about 70% more energy. There's incredible research how two minutes of irritation or feeling that frenetic I need to date today. Two minutes puts into motion 1,500 different biochemical processes that ultimately drain our energy. So think about how much we're aging ourselves, our gut health, everything is depleting when we're in that propelled heart state. That's why we experience burnout, bloating, just so many different physical symptoms. So steadiness means we start to be the anchor to ourselves. And so, as I said, the heart changes our perceptions. But guess what, Matthew? It changes how people perceive you because your field changes. Then the fourth stage is the devoted heart. And this is where we have very different goals in life. It's not just about the rat race. It's not just about the outcomes. we become more devoted to these qualities, enjoying our life, lightness, compassion, love, really love and peace, and our intuition turns on. But here is the crazy thing, is because it is a high state of coherence and heart awakening, things tend to work out better in the material world. So I will tell you the story in a moment where I ran into Deepak Chopra, we created this whole book together when I was in this deeper heart state, right? You have more emotional intelligence, so you have better outcomes in your workplace. There is less chaos. As I mentioned, there is 90% less drama in my relationship with my husband. I feel a lot more so connected to my children. So it makes life practically work better. Relationships have less drama.

So that is the devoted heart. And what was the final one?

So the final heart is called the clear heart. This is stage five. This is scientifically speaking heart-brain harmony. so this means we're out of that thinking that you described that so many of us fall into. You're not, you know, the Dao, De-ching or Eckhart Tolle would talk about not thinking. I would say, how do you do that? What does that mean? It sounds nice, but how do we actually live that? So what it really feels like in your body is a state of flow where you're moving from this more intuitive place, moment to moment, without all the thinking. What it feels like is you are stepping into a different field of synchronicities. And this is not like some lofty stage only Buddha can get here, Matthew. As I mentioned, we all experience these clear heart moments. Like you are washing the dishes and suddenly you are not thinking, you are sort of there, or you look into your partner's eyes or your child or your dog's eyes, or you look at a sunset. So what we want to do through these practices in the Hidden Power of the Five Hearts is to train ourselves up in coherence. Through these very simple practices, some are under a minute in daily life, so that we keep coming back to this higher resonance, changes our perceptions, our thoughts and our energy and our health.

So what are those, how do we do this? How do we switch, how do we make progress from one heart to another along this kind of continuum towards a clear heart?

Okay, so do you want to do a one minute practice?

Yeah.

Okay, so first I'll show you a little bit of the science behind it. If you guys are watching this, or this is on page 29, the book, I'll describe it. This is your HRV pattern when you're feeling anger. Okay? This, look at these beautiful smooth waves, Nathaniel, see that? That's appreciation. So this is where the physiological, the psychological becomes the physiological. When we're starting to tap into these more coherent emotions, we start to change our heart rate, our breath, Our HRV patterns, the thoughts that we're thinking, the relationships we attract. So let's do a one minute practice. This is an abbreviated practice of the Heart Align Meditation study, which we did with the Heart Math Institute. And what we found in one month, all we did was give people these tracks, Matthew, under eight minutes, in one month, people experienced a 29% increase on average in coherence. just practicing this four times a week, eight minutes, four times a week. Again, coherence means that Clarity, this attractive quality, helping you attract that love, which we'll talk about in a moment, helping you attract more Health opportunities. So let's experience it. So we're not just talking about it. Right. The hard work is really embodying it, and that's different than other things which are more disassociative. Okay, so let's just close our eyes. Unless you guys are driving, anyone driving, don't close your eyes, but you can. still gain some of the benefit even with your eyes opened. But if you can close your eyes now straight away, Matthew, we're going to shift our awareness and our attention to our hearts. So you may intuitively feel to place your hand on your heart. You don't have to, but place your attention. And here's the amazing part. Research published in the American Journal of Cardiology shows that this alone, shifting your attention to your heart, this alone changes your nervous system. Okay, so there's so much science and energetic backing to all of this. So imagining now that your heart is like a giant lung keeping your awareness on your heart, we're going to take some deep breaths in and out. So in this abbreviated practice, we're not going to do the full coherence breath practice in the book. So don't worry about counting, just take some deep breaths. Again, imagine you're breathing in and out of your heart. And now keeping your full attention on your heart, recall someone or something that makes you feel appreciation. It can be a loved one, a beautiful sunset you saw on a trip, or your cat or your puppy, or your parents, whatever it is, just feel appreciation, focusing on your heart, which is a mix of gratitude, awe, approval. And once you have that person or thing that helps you recall appreciation, Drop the visualization and just focus on feeling appreciation in your heart. And we'll sustain this for just a few moments. if you dropped out of it, just bring back that person or that thing that helps you recall this energy. I'll just stay here for one more moment feeling that expansive, perhaps tingly feeling of appreciation. And taking one more deep breath in and out of your heart. And then taking a moment to thank your amazing wise heart. And when you're ready, you can gently float your eyes open. It's experiential, isn't it?

Very calming.

So over time, what happens is you build this coherence capacity. What that means over time, Matthew, it's like you go to the gym and you work things out. This is, we hear the term neuroplasticity sometimes when it applies to the brain, but because the brain is a, the heart is a brain with 40,000 neurons, you're rewiring. So what does this mean? That reactivity, that overthinking stored in the amygdala. Oh, this happened. This person says something, I go like this, I do this, the traffic hits, I go like this. Instead, when we come down to this deeper place, it's like zooming out, that expansion, that finding solutions, that unity, that seeing through to that person instead of taking issue with the many things, that we could take issue with other people, finding peace in our day, lighter thoughts. This grows and grows and grows. And so for me, Matthew, again, I've been working in wellness for so long. I've been doing all these different things. When I started to turn on this heart's power, my moment to moment existence changed so much. My family life, my work life, my just feeling lighter and out of my head. It is so priceless that for me, I just want to say to everyone, oh, my gosh, this hidden power really is right here. And I also want to show this because, again, this is where I feel like the science is great to back up what all the ancients were talking about and what we can experience. each of us. So this is on 45 of the book. See this, this Taurus field of the heart. Basically what's amazing, Matthew, we're talking about the heart. We are all emitting a field outside of ourselves. Whether we realize it or not, it extends eight to ten times away from the body. And it's a hundred times stronger than the field of the brain. Everything is energy. Everything is electromagnetic frequencies. So not just like, oh yeah, energy in a, you know, kind of a woo-woo sense, but actually measured by magnetometers, which measure magnetic fields. So guess what? This field is strengthened when we become more coherent, just like we did in the meditation. It's more harmonious, it's strong, which literally means a scientific way to become more magnetic. So we attract in those beautiful, loving, healthy relationships, those opportunities at work. And I'll give you an amazing personal example in a minute, Matthew. Even if we say we want the healthy love, what we say energetically, energy doesn't lie. So that's why I could see it myself, why I fell into patterns of attracting that same guy over and over again, chaos, drama, or repelling the love that we want. People can register the energy, they perceive your energy. So the amazing thing is we can change the field around us moment to moment by these tools and practices. So.

How do you see this in terms of, you know, the concept of follow your heart always? I feel that I have watched a lot of people get in a lot of trouble by doing that. Because in dating, especially, follow your heart is often used as a justification to keep chasing someone who is not investing, who is going to continue to hurt you, but you feel really strongly about them. You feel, you know, your heart says, or whatever we're calling our heart says, I'm really, you know, I've never felt this way before. And if we were to listen to our head, our head may rationalize, this is a bad situation, or it's going this person's never going to commit or this person's going to keep treating you badly. But our heart may say, or at least again, what people call their heart will say, keep going because you've never felt like this before. So how do you reconcile this idea?

So I address this right in the front of the book, Matthew, because this is a very common thing we hear. I followed my heart and this guy totally screwed me over. This happened. What people are calling their heart is the unbridled ego mind. These erratic emotions, the fear, I need this, the clinging, the old patterns like we talked about, the jealousy, the envy, going social media, the desperation, I need someone, something. The heart intelligence as we experience a tiny snippet of in our meditation feels very calm. You use that word, Matthew. There's a calmness. I'm coherence is like looking to the bottom of a still lake where your intuition, your true intuition starts to turn on. It's different like that those erratic emotions are like, you know, the mud gets kicked up. So you don't really see clearly back to the dark heart. So as we start to really turn on our heart's intelligence, we transcend those erratic emotions, or we get back faster when we're in them. And we start to follow this different type of wisdom, which Again, a lot of what we thought was the heart wasn't. And again, in my life, oh, this person seems great on paper. You know, he proposed to me, we go to the same Hollywood events, like all this stuff. There was no, like, real deep fulfillment. But when I got coherent in my steady heart, guess what? I went to this dinner party in Venice, Matthew, and I see this guy who's completely tattooed from the neck down, a gold grill in his teeth. huge meat smoker, CrossFit, like just completely different type of person. And my heart was so calm. I said, you know, I don't know what it is, but I'm really drawn to talking to this person. We then went on a beach walk the next morning. We then got engaged and married and our love deepens. We've had to work on our relationship, but I wouldn't have picked that person. when I was in the other heart stages.

So a lot of listening to that, because I, I think, you know, just recently that we just got back from Africa, and one of the things I really got back to enjoying in Africa was just reading. I love reading and day after day, I was reading this book called the In the Shadow of the Sun, a book by a journalist who'd spent 40 years traveling different parts of Africa. And I loved it. And I just, it wasn't a new realization. It was just a realization I've had many, many times in my life, which is that I just always, oh, I never regret time I spend reading. I got back home and I.

I.

Said, I just want to, I really am excited to read. And I ordered a whole bunch of fiction because I don't read a lot of fiction. And, you know, a couple of days later, Audrey said to me, you know, I really think you need to get better at listening to yourself. I, I said, what do you mean? Well, like, what made you say that? I said, you're probably right. But what made you say that? And she said, well, you know, just like when you said that you really feel drawn to reading right now, like, I think that's really important. You know, that's, there's something in that. Maybe you're in this real learning stage and you're, there's something about the idea of consuming these books that is just really speaks to you on a deeper level. And you should trust that because she was like, you're, you know, she said, when you have an inch, when you have a feeling about something, she said, I back that all day long because your sense of intuition is really, really good. And, and she, I, I tried to take that on board, but I also, you know, I'm like, practically, I'm like, yeah, but I barely have any time to read, and I'm trying to do all these other things, and I'm you know, the general life and blah, blah, blah. But the reason I'm saying it is because she may well be right that I don't listen to myself enough or I don't listen to those feelings enough. But practically speaking, how do you advise people to listen to themselves more and how to know which parts of themselves to listen to, because I don't think historically, I've, I think I'm getting a little bit better at it, but I, my little bit better is not that great. But I think I'm, I have never been that in touch with myself in that way. So you, what do you tell people about how to get in touch, how to really start to listen to those feelings more practically.

You know what's funny, Matthew? I just realized this, and I kind of thought of this when we spoke last time, this idea of the almost like the wounded healer, right? So sometimes we're drawn to what we're healing in ourselves. So I can say for myself, coming into wellness because I was so anxious. I had acne, I had bloating. I was recovering from eating disorders, low self-esteem. I I was trying to figure out how to feel better. So that became my career path. And I look at you, Matthew, and you always say, you know, I'm not connected to my heart. It's like, I don't feel my feelings. And your incredible career is around this very thing in many ways, this connection, this relationships, like you've gone deep into it. So it's like, anyways, I just thought that was really interesting. We can all sort of reflect in our lives. It is like this unfolding. We keep going deeper and deeper into ourselves. So we live in a society that is very heady. It is very linear. We can consume all the books. We can go on social media all day and get a million different ideas about a million different diets to follow, what to eat, what to do, our morning routine, what biohacking devices we need, right? And it becomes this propelled heart confusion. I need to keep buying. I need to keep doing. But deep inside of ourselves is this incredible wisdom through which we want to filter everything. And the other brain, by the way, is the gut. So there is a practice in the Propelled Heart where we somatically align the heart and the gut, and we start to moment to moment be more intuitively connected to our bodies, our path, what we should be eating. There is also embodiment section with helpful foods in the book. But you as an individual, what is the best moment to moment decision? And I can say for myself, it used to be, the book has teachings and tools. At first, just reading the teachings, like that quote I, um, readgularly from Shawme Street to shore, started to open us up to a different perspective. And then the tools, we start to experience it. So at first we're like in the heart sometimes we do the meditation, but then we're in this other way. And then there's this crossing over that I can say from personal experience, Matthew. from me, very propelled heart, very treatment oriented perfectionist, needed to be number one in my class, to wow, this feels so light and eastful to be more in the devoted heart. There's this part about keeping your heart activated. We keep turning to the power of the heart. Three seconds here, 10 seconds here. The practices are within the middle of life, right? So instead of thinking about, well, what am I supposed to do here? We start to embody more of this heart-based living where we start to filter our decisions our thoughts, our words, what we eat, what we say in that date, or what we say on a social, you know, dating app, or whatever it is, through this deeper place of authentic expression. And that is when we are the most attractive. That is when we really shine, we create the best results, the highest creativity, we are the most magnetic, is from this deeper non-thinking place, which again, used to feel so sort of ambiguous, but through the science and these tools, there is a way to keep really opening that up in measurable ways. to the heart coherence.

Before we finish, if I'm on a date and I'm trying to do that, what does that look like?

Okay, so what it looks like is, so number one, it's important to read through all the heart stages so you understand where you might be in a moment and so you can come back faster and faster. That's number one is really important. Number two is before you go on the date, one of the most important things that you want to do is you want to get into a higher state of coherence. So some of the tools, the steady in life practice and the third heart stage, you do it a minute. So I would do it sitting in my car. I did it before we got on this podcast, before I go and do a talk, whatever, whatever. You go and you sit, you shift your awareness to your heart. You do those coherence breaths and you shift your state because energy doesn't lie. So now when you're in the date, instead of like in your head and like, did I say the right thing? Like, my hair look okay? Like these externals, which actually register to other people as chaotic or dramatic, whatever it is, we show who we are. We come to this really coherent place, and it will create the best outcomes. More magnetic.

Well, Kimberly, thank you so much. For everyone who wants to go and get the book, the book is called called the Hidden Power of the Five Hearts. Kimberly, I'm assuming people can get that book anywhere and everywhere. Starting when?

Starting September 17th. Right into the fall.

Amazing. And if I'm sure this podcast will come out before that, depending on Kimberly, when you tell us, would be great for you. you know, if you are hearing this before the book is officially out, please go pre-order it. It makes a huge difference to authors to get pre-orders and it really does help make a splash about the book. So if it's not available yet, pre-order it. If it is available, go order it now.

Oh, Matthew, can I mention one thing? If anyone does pre-order the book, you will join my four week heart reset program for free, which will run in October, which is live Zooms taking you through making enormous quantum leap life changes in four weeks, which is the length of time we did the study with. So I will guide you through. We'll cover relationships, health, stress management, all sorts of topics through this incredible program, which is available with pre-order.

Thank you so much, Kimberly. I really appreciate your time today and I'm excited to hear what everyone thinks of the book.

Thank you so much, Matthew, for your amazing, big, authentic heart.