How To TRULY Get Over Your Heartbreak...

You're actually not going to feel like this for forever. It can't be. It cannot be. There is just no way. You are going to get better. And your emotions towards this, your emotions about this situation are going to change. Your feelings towards this person are going to change. They're not going to stay the same.

Well, before we dive into things today, Mr. Matthew Hussey, we have had a few missives in a few little emails. We've had some more brilliant responses to rom zomcoms. that is horror movies spliced with romance movies. We've had some strange ones in, I will say. So Angeline Duran gave us Resident Weasel. I think that's pretty good.

That's a good one.

Also, this isn't a horror film, but she said a few meh men instead of a few good men.

That's not bad, actually.

A few man men. Ashley says, she says, Cracks Knuckles, here we go. Himsidius.

Pretty good.

Psycho instead of psycho. I don't really get psycho. I don't really get that entirely.

Why don't you get it?

He's calling someone a hoe, I guess.

A psycho. I get it.

Okay, the skeleton he, she says reaching here. Skeleton.

That is reaching a bit, the skeleton he. This one's insidious.

This one's good, the silence of the texts. And then she says, can you hear the phone alert chimes, Clarice? No, okay.

I prefer, I would have done Silence of the Man's.

Silence of the man, okay. She says, history. like misery. Now, this one's proper weird. DX her cyst. DX her cyst. Bracket's ex-boyfriend manifests as a boil on a poor woman's arm who reinfects her intermittently with 2 a.m. breadcrumb messages.

Well, I think that's actually quite creative. It's completely Bonkers. but it's pretty creative.

It is brilliantly weird and a vivid image, Ashley. She says, I have to go to work now, this has been fun. Thanks for those, Ashley.

Now, Steve, I'm curious, what was the question we asked last episode?

Oh, last one, Natasha said the X exists. So that's also a good one. So the question you asked last episode, well, we asked people, things that make them weird. And we also talked about things that make them more vulnerable and human.

Okay. What were some of the answers?

So we had this one from Marika who said, this one is for Stephen in particular. Eating tangerines or anything while having a hot bath isn't weird. It's one of the best things ever. Everyone should try. In fact, having a bath is a very creative environment. Archimedes would agree since he came up with his infamous principle whilst being in a bathtub and said Eureka, of course.

Well, let me stop you there, Marika, because to my knowledge, Stephen hasn't come up with anything quite that special in the bathtub yet. And he's this thing of him, his little habit of going to the bath, his daily bath, Where he always takes a tangerine, turned into two tangerines.

Two tangerines, a coffee and a book.

Right, and now we have a family WhatsApp where there's a big group between all of our family, cousins, aunts, uncles, whatever. Recently he posted a picture, it wasn't an X-rated picture obviously, it was just a sort of picture of his bathtub set up, you know, with a little feet sticking out the end. and there was not only two tangerines, but also a banana. Right now, again, it does sound like I'm being explicit. I'm not describing Stephen's genitalia there. He had, in addition to that, he had two tangerines and a banana just laid out on his little tray. Honestly, Steve, it's like, soon you'll need a fruit bowl, like an entire fruit bowl for the bath. why do you keep adding new fruits?

Some grapes, a pineapple. Just. Just me. Just me slicing a pineapple in the bath.

It's too much.

Well, okay, fair enough. Oh, Mariko also said, as a kid, I remember I was misunderstood, if not discouraged, expressing my colorful, unique inner world. It would push me to withdraw from reality and plunge into. A wondrous, importable fantasy world where I could feel more me. She talks about Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Miyazaki world was astonishing and immensely amusing and I had the best time. But it's a shame that it took me 29 years to start openly sharing it and meet those who are familiar with such a world and can appreciate it. Keep going, gentlemen, you are inspiring and may best popcorn flavors be throwing your way this week.

That's lovely. And by the way, for those, We are, 'cause we're obviously being listened to by Facebook and Instagram right now. For all of you, those of you out there, we said, you know, what are the weird, the weird or human details about you that you don't say nearly enough, but would actually make you a more three-dimensional attractive person if people knew them about you. But, you know, we hide, don't we? We hide and blend in instead of showing, you know, a little more of ourselves. We try and show, you know, I talk about Steve's tangerines in the bath, and dare I say, Steve, It humanizes you.

Does it?

I'm not saying it makes you more attractive to everyone, but there's someone out there who hears that little detail about you and thinks...

They get me a little bit. I'm not just some analytical robot, they get me a little more.

Yeah. Oh, he also enjoys a tangerine in the bath.

If only that was the bloody weirdest thing about me, that would be fine.

It's not obvious.

There's whole wardrobes in there. Well, we got another one. Sophie Carolyn sent us a lovely email. She said, Dear Stephen, to give you some input when Matthew asks again for feedback, I really enjoy listening to the podcast. The two of you are doing a great job. Love the advice. Sometimes I think you're the big brother. You asked for some- what do you mean by that? Well, I think there's a gravitas, a maturity, a depth of thought. I'm not- Her words, well, not her words, but she says, you, asked for some quirks. I walk around my apartment while brushing my teeth, high five myself in the mirror, watch your videos on repeat. That's not weird, that's just good sense, Cara Sophie. It says, Organize my closet and my bookshelf in the rainbow method because I watched a home edit on Netflix and I'm folding my socks like Marie Kondo. Post-its on the bathroom mirror and the kitchen to remind me of important things that have to become habits, and reorganizing the dishwasher at my parents' home and in the office. My colleagues love it. Enjoy your bubble baths. Cheers, Sophie.

I like that.

Great ones. We got one more email from Erin who just sent me a bunch of pictures saying, Does this make me human? And the subject line was, I make little people out of peanuts. and there's just little peanuts dressed up. There's one as a Santa Claus, there's one as a Rastafarian, and just little peanuts dressed up in outfits.

So she does this for work or is this just a thing? No, no, or has she just done it for you, Steve?

It's just what she does.

So, can I, that's cool. We should get a couple of those up on our stories.

Oh, that'd be great.

Yeah, I'll, I'll One of our podcast listeners dresses peanuts up as little people.

I'll ask permission from Aaron and we'll put some on stories.

Very good. Well, I've got, okay, Steve, here's a question. I want to put this out to the audience. What do you, what's something you want more of in the podcast? And was something you want to change about the podcast?

So you're really asking. You're really asking for a gut punch.

People can take it however they want. No, they can either be serious or they can be silly or they, you know, like, whatever it is they want. What's. What do you like about it? What do you want more of? And what is there something you want to change? You know, like, less. Less talk of Stephen in the bathtub.

I don't think a lot of people seem to be enjoying that stuff. If anything, that's what this is all hanging on right now.

Let's hope not. So, one thing you really like about it and want more of, what's one thing you want to change about the podcast? Or if you could produce this podcast, what's one thing you would do to change? More of this, less of that. Can we try this? And let's let everyone co-author the podcast a little bit, all right?

Email at podcast@matthewhussie.com and, blimey, I'm going to brace myself for this. And anything you say about Matt will be kept in confidence. I'll look through it. So, you know. So you want quite a few people reference that they either sometimes enjoy us bickering, sometimes they think you're a bit bossy.

Yeah.

Yeah, so there you go.

But Steve, that's because I always at all times know how great something can be.

I don't make it about your, like, commit, I'm so committed to quality. I'm such a Steve Jobs. artist that this, you've got to excuse my ways because such is my devotion. I mean, I'm just saying, they're talking about Resident Weasel.

I mean, I'm just saying that sometimes I'm like, oh, I know, like, we should do it this way or that way or whatever. So I can be a little, you know, I can, I can try and produce things because I want it. to be a certain, you know, like sometimes I worry, someone said to me the other day, why does Matt always talk about how long the podcast is? And I've learned, Steve, I haven't mentioned, apart from right now, I haven't mentioned that once, 'cause I realized I was being- who said that to you? Someone in the comments was like, why does Matt, why is Matt obsessed with the amount of time the podcast goes on for? And, but do you know what? Can I tell you why I'm obsessed, Steve? 'Cause the world is filled with people right now who are obsessed with the sound of their own voice. Right. Clubhouse. Clubhouse. Jamison knew I was gonna talk about Clubhouse. Do you know what I mean? Though it's like we've all got, everyone's got a podcast. Everyone's got a, everyone's got a microphone. Everyone's got Instagram videos or whatever and more power to them if they're doing good work, I support it. But just, there's a lot of voices out there that love the sound of their own voice and I'm just, I, I'm, I want to make sure that we're sort of delivering something, I don't know, value, fun, Stephen, tick, tick, tick. Right. So anyway, I, sorry Steve, if I'm coming, if I come across, there are people that, yeah, I think they see me in a video, Steve, and you know, Jameson's cut me together to be all smiley and they're like, then they see me here and they're like, oh, is there something wrong today, Matt? this is just what I'm like. There's nothing wrong.

Oh, yeah. What you see is what you get, folks.

All right, we'll wrap it up there.

Well, everyone, today we are talking about the beginning of the end. We are not talking about the end of all things, though it may feel like it when you go through this, we're talking about. the end of a relationship and the initial terrible gut punch that happens when you suddenly face the end of a relationship and you're in that, I liken it to when you first have the moment of a breakup, it's like you have the shock and all the tears and the moment where it happens and it's kind of this shocking, traumatic moment. And then it's kind of like that bit in the Dark Knight where Bruce Wayne is thrown into that pit, you know, that pit, that prison with the big circular prison and up somewhere is the light. But you are just stuck in this dark hole and you have no idea how you're going to climb out of it. And I think it's one of the loneliest places you can ever be. You know, anyone who's gone through a breakup, whether you initiated it, whether you were broken up with all of a sudden, that moment of withdrawal, that moment of feeling like a huge chunk of you has just been wrenched away, and now you're faced with, how am I gonna piece myself together? What am I gonna do? Like, you know, you go through the period of facing the truth of it. and kind of at first it doesn't feel real and you wake up every day and you think, oh God, that did happen. I have broken up with that person. Matthew, that initial sting, that place you're in, I think a lot of people get stuck there for varying amounts of times for different periods. What's your initial thought on when you're faced with that kind of black hole you're in, what do you think people's, what's kind of your first instinct with your wisdom and experience now of when that moment happens?

You know, Steve, this reminds me of a episode of Clarissa the Teenage Witch.

Do you mean Sabrina the Teenage Witch?

Yeah, I do. But I was getting a mixed up with Clarissa says it all. which was a show.

Same actor, so yeah.

Same actor. It was Clarissa says it all, wasn't it?

Where he used to explain it all.

Explains it all. I'm getting like mum where I can't remember the names of things.

Clarissa says it all, just sounds like she won't shut up. She says it all, doesn't she? Just a really annoying teenager.

Clarissa explains it always when the bloke used to come through the window. Do you remember? Yeah. What was his name? Sam.

Why do I know so much about these 90s?

He always, all I remember about, I don't remember anything else about Clarissa says it all apart from him coming in through the window. Anyway, Sabrina the Teenage Witch. This reminds me, Steve, of an episode of Sabrina the Teenage Witch.

Okay, I'm listening.

Well, I can't remember what happens in this particular Brilliant.

Well, that's good, Shreem. Next anecdote?

No, but listen, there's a moment where a friend, I forget her friend's name, but her friend cuts her hair too short.

Jenny. Her friend's name is Jenny. Why do I know, I don't know why I still know that.

It's a mate Jenny gets her haircut off too short. And Clarissa, no, Sabrina has a, she's got powers, obviously, but I think there's something in this episode where she's like always saying the right thing or she's got the power to make everyone feel good.

Okay.

And so her friend gets a haircut off and she's, Jenny's mortified that her hair's all gone. And Sabrina comes along and just says two words to it. She just says, hair grows. And Jenny just looks at her and she's like, hair grows. And you see in that much, she walks away and she's fine. She's like, it's just like she realizes that it's all all right that hair grows. Two words like that can change your life. And we could do like a whole week workshop on breakups. But for anyone going through, anyone who's at the apex of the awfulness of grieving over somebody, I would say emotions change. They just, they don't stay the same. So even when you're in the lowest low, you are you know, is it Jonah in the belly of the whale?

Yes. That was an episode of Sabrina the Teenage Witch. Right.

So in Jonah's in the belly of the whale, it's like you, you. When you're. That's the worst of the worst of the. How can it get any worse? And the thought is it's always gonna be like this. I am in the worst possible place, and it's. And I can't survive this. If this stays this way, I can't survive this. Yeah. Emotions change. This terrible feeling you have right now about losing this person, they're the love of my life. I'm never gonna get over this. I'm gonna miss them like this forever. When I see them with someone else, I'm gonna have a full breakdown. I'm never gonna meet anyone like them again. emotions change. They just don't stay the same. And that much you can rely on. But you're actually not going to feel like this for forever. It can't be. It cannot be. There is just no way. You are going to get better. And your emotions towards this, your emotions about this situation are going to change. your feelings towards this person are gonna change. They're not gonna stay the same. Your feelings towards other people are gonna change. Someone else is gonna come on your radar and they're gonna be interesting and you'll like something else about them or love something else about them and so it will all change. None of this is gonna stay the way that it is right now. So those two words, if nothing else, if you're at the worst moment of your breakup, if nothing else, just remember, emotions change.

It's so. It feels like, you know, when it's a terrible breakup, it's really. It's like an emergency situation, isn't it? Because you. You don't, you know, you don't know where to turn in that moment, and you don't know what's gonna make you like, you're. You're wait. You're like, what's the thing that's gonna make this okay? And I think. In that early stage, it's really hard to see, which is why I do think, you know, you're absolutely right. You have to have like a degree of faith and, well, it's rational as well, but it's a rational understanding of this pain cannot, this isn't going to be my life. People don't just stay in this shock forever. But I think it's so important as well that you engage in a procedure of emotional, for lack of a less cliche word, self-care. Like, you have to start that you have to put yourself on the right path to not prolonging it. You've got a wound, and now you've got to start applying the right antiseptic, the right balms and ointments, wrap the wound. You kind of have to do the right things now. whereas, you know, if you start keep going back to your old pictures, you keep texting, trying to see how they are, you keep rehashing it with people over and over again, all these things, you know, if you go into alcohol and drugs and try to numb it by just having sex with lots of people quickly, you know, all these things, they kind of like do a moment of numbing and then you just feel dreadful. And so I think you do have to engage in a procedure of like, be okay with, you can indulge in that moment for a bit. I remember like Pete Holmes talked about that, the comedian, when, you know, his wife left him and it's terrible, but he said there was a bit of me that kind of really indulged in that pain for a while. Like he just ate Chinese food in bed and watched movies and just didn't want to do anything. And it's like that that's okay, that bit. But you've got to stop loss that part. You've got to decide, okay, I'm not going to wait until I'm £50 heavier and six months have gone by and I'm in a terrible place now. My self-esteem's crashed. You have to go, okay, I'm going to start building the ladder of self-esteem again. I'm going to stop, turn self-hatred into self-love. I'm going to start treating myself like someone I care about. And if I was just looking at this person, from the outside, I would be like, okay, let's just get you out for a walk today. Let's get you to go and have a chat to a friend who brings you a bit of joy or someone who, you know, like, makes you laugh a bit and just, like, gently, like, do a phone call. Do one phone call.

And.

And I think these things, if you just start that, that little upward spiral, you can. things start to get a bit better each day.

I agree. And not feeling like the word gently is kind of interesting because there's certain parts of it you're just not gonna outrun. When you're truly heartbroken, you're not just gonna gym your way out of that. Do you know what I mean? You're not just gonna nights with friends out, your way out of that. You're not gonna just, you know, party.

Through it until like, yeah.

Yeah, or even, you know, self help your way out of it through, you know, it's listening to so many podcasts in a day or a week or whatever. You, those things are things that realign your focus. They build other muscles. You know, it's we've talked before about it. If you imagine it's like one part of your body is injured, right? Let's say your heart, your heart is injured. So you're training other parts of your body. You want to keep doing that because you don't want to wake up when you feel better. Being heartbroken is one problem. But you don't want to wake up in six months with six problems because you being heartbroken meant that you didn't do any, you didn't work any of the other muscles. if you injure your shoulder, you've got a problem. But you don't want to wake up six months from now with weak legs or a weak core or a bunch of problems that have come from eating badly or, you know, those things don't have to be problems alongside it. So it's like sometimes I think we're so focused on trying to make the injured muscle feel better instead of being like, that thing's gonna be injured for a minute. That's okay. You don't have to try to speed that up to an unnatural rate of healing because when we do that, typically we're lying to ourselves in some way. We're telling ourselves everything's all right and making ourselves so absurdly busy that we have zero time to even think. But the moment you have downtime, The moment it gets to 11 o'clock at night and your head hits the pillow again, that stuff's all coming rushing back in anyway. At some point it catches up and you still have to go through the hellish part of it. You can make it reduce it, but you're still gonna go through the tough part. But you wanna make sure that you accept that you have a problem, an issue, and by the way, it's not in a sense, It is a real problem, but it's also a real problem. There's a real opportunity. It's a real opportunity for growth. It's a real opportunity for healing. It's a real opportunity for self-care. It's a real opportunity to build your relationship with yourself, self-love. It's a real opportunity to show yourself that you can deal with very difficult things in life. It's a real opportunity to build your kind of toughness and your resilience and the invincibility that comes from knowing you can get over anything, which is gonna make you really valuable to the next person. I'm more valuable to people because of my heartbreak. There is no question about it. I am more valuable because of heartbreak in my life. I would be less valuable in this conversation right now if I didn't have heartbreak. And anyone who has been through heartbreak, you may not be out there coaching tons of people or making videos, but if you're out, if you've just got a friend or a family member or someone in your life who comes to you for help, you're gonna be more helpful as a result of this heartbreak. It's gonna make you a better, more useful person. in the world, your suffering will make you more useful in the world. So it's only a problem to the extent that it hurts. It's not a problem in the sense of your growth. But right now you have an issue. But you don't want to wake up with six more issues six months from now because you didn't take care of the other things. Except that it's going to be, there's going to be a tough period. That's okay. You're not doing something wrong because it hurts. You're just go, your job right now is to go through that tough period. But I can't even focus at work. I'm waking up and I can't, you know, I'm a zombie around my friends. I feel like I'm irritable and grumpy around my family. I'm, you know, I'm going into work and I feel like I'm doing a bad job or whatever. Then your job is to do the best you can where you are. Your job is not to be as good as you were three days before the breakup that you didn't see coming. Your job is to be the best you can be right now within the parameters of what you're feeling and what you're experiencing. And that's true of anything in life. Your job is not to be as good as somebody else because your circumstances aren't the same. You know, someone who suffers from in incessant pain, like chronic pain. You've got a woman who suffers from migraines every day, right? And is comparing her demeanor to someone who doesn't suffer from that. Well, she's so upbeat and she's so chipper and she's got, she's living a different life to you right now. Making that comparison is pointless. Your job is to to be the best you can be as a person with a migraine all day. That's your job. Your job's not to be as great as this person over here. Your job is to be the best you can be through this difficult thing that you're going through. Your measure can't be the same as somebody else's. And that's true in a heartbreak as well. But what compounds it is that we also feel like we suck. I'm awful around friends. I'm unbearable to be around. I'm suffering at work. I'm doing a terrible job of life. I'm this, I'm that. Just your job, you're grieving right now. You're going through something extraordinarily difficult. Your job's to do the best you can. And if doing the best you can right now is waking up in the morning and getting through the day, if that's your best right now, then your job's to wake up in the morning, and get through the day. It's not to see some Instagram video from some life coach who says, Whatever's going on in your life, you're gonna be the absolute best. You just something going wrong? Be upbeat. There's someone with it worse than you. There's someone who's going through hell. You think your problems are bad? Your problems are nothing to somebody else. Go up, but it's not. that video is like, that video is great at certain moments in life. Like sometimes a video like that hits you just right where you are and it's a, the wake up call you need is the kick that you need and it gets you out of like a victim mindset and gets you into some action. Sometimes that video is what's needed. And sometimes that video makes you want to tell someone to go fuck themselves. 'Cause you're like, Yeah, I get it, but in my bones right now, I am coping with feeling like shit. And that kind of video isn't for me right now. What I need is to know, what I need is to make it a win that today I woke up, did what I could, and went back to bed that night. That's a win for me right now. And that's okay. Sometimes what's a win right now in this chapter of your life is different from what will be a win a year from now when you've got more momentum and you're in a stronger place and you've got more stamina, whether it's physical or emotional, then a win is different. But you can't judge yourself by what was a win to you a year ago or three years ago when you're in a different place right now. Yeah.

So you have to compare yourself to who you were yesterday, right? Not who someone else is today.

Yes. And be careful of even comparing yourself to who you were pre whatever has happened in your life. You know, that's another thing we do is we don't just compare ourselves to other people. We compare ourselves to ourselves from five years ago. 10 years ago. Oh, I used to be able to do this so easily. Okay? But you're not you five years ago. You're not you 10 years ago. You're you today. I used to this sport used to be so easy to me. Now my knee bothers me and whatever. You're you today. I used to be so happy and I used to now I'm okay. But maybe you from 10 years ago would found it easier to be happier because he or she didn't know shit. Maybe you didn't have the same problems. Maybe you didn't have the same responsibilities. Maybe you weren't trying to tackle as difficult a thing as you're trying to tackle today. So what's the point in that comparison with us from 10 years ago or five years ago? We had a different body, a different mind, different problems, different responsibilities, different tragedies. Different pains, different everything. So we have to not only not compare ourselves to other people who are on a different journey, have a different mind, different genes, different path, different everything. We have to also not compare ourselves to a previous version of ourselves. But wake up and it's almost a form of mindfulness, isn't it? Who I am today. Like, Who is the person that I'm having to deal with today? What's the brain chemistry that I'm having to deal with today? What's the body that I have to work with today? Who's the human being that I woke up with that I am charged with motivating today? Yeah.

It's like if there's a storm outside today, it It doesn't matter that it was sunny, you know, seven days ago. Today there's a storm outside and you've got to deal with that. That's a new problem. Yeah, I think that's super powerful and, yeah, well, where do I follow from that?

Did you have more questions for today or was that like, you said that's going to be the subject for today?

No, I think that is a great subject for today. I mean, I want to tell people that they can go and carry on this if it's something they're going through. You can go to moveonstrong.com and we've got a free guide to really help you start to emotionally put yourself on that track. so that you are starting yourself, however slowly, however gently, but on an upward spiral out of that condition to something where you feel, hey, things are actually, there's some light here, I can see a way through this. And sometimes that's all it is. It's not, it's not, you're gonna reach this peak state, but you're like, I'm gonna get through this, I know a way I can move forward. I talk a lot about going from the athlete, sorry, going from the hangover model of breakups to the athlete model of recovery. Instead of drowning yourself in all kinds of junk and bad stuff, you start deciding, what can I train? You start thinking like, when an athlete is injured, they allow themselves to heal, but they start the process of recovery, of getting better, of strengthening the muscles they can strengthen and asking, of themselves or they can ask of themselves today. So if you want to do that and go check out that free guide, go to moveonstrong.com and of course, Steve.

We'Ve got very soon now our virtual retreat, which is a live three-day event. So don't miss that coming up. If you want three days of coaching immersion, go to mhvirtualretreat.com If you're like, when's the next time I can see you live, Matthew and Stephen? It's at this three-day live event. And don't worry if you can't make it on the exact weekend because the recording is going to be available for two weeks. So you can spend three days transforming your life. Steve, there's 1000 X, there's 10,000 experts speaking at us every single day in health, in nutrition, in confidence in dating, in, you know, our life plan, in our business, all of it. There's so many experts online that it becomes so overwhelming. And the virtual retreat is about just creating a very simple and elegant plan for how to make your life better, happier, more peaceful, less stress, but more joy. more achievement as you define it, not as we define it, and a life better lived. And Steve, I'll tell you this, I've spent many years now getting to this point where we've got something we're very proud of, and we've built this amazing company, and we've reached people all over the world, and I still have these moments regularly where I think I'm not enjoying this as much as I should be. I am more stressed than I should be. I still have moments of living in comparison. I still have moments where I become disconnected from what I truly love about what we're doing. And I still have moments where I think this isn't, I need to be at a place of greater peace. And I am well aware that the tools that got me to where I am on an external level are not the same tools as the ones that will get me to a place of peace and happiness on an internal level. That the It's a different operating system. And I'm a big believer in that idea. What got you here won't get you there. And we need to all of us redefine what there means to us and then create a path for getting there with a new set of tools and a new mindset and a new set of belief systems that's going to help with that. And so this virtual retreat that we're doing over three days on March the 19th to the 21st isn't about me lecturing you. It's about me saying, I'm doing this journey for myself right now. If you relate to what I'm saying, if you relate to the journey that I'm on, come be part of the journey with me. Because I've been running this retreat with you, Steve, for 14 years now. and it evolves all the time because we evolve all the time. So if you came to a retreat five years ago, it's different today because I've changed and grown so much in the last five years and my journey is different. So this is us not inviting you to come to a place where we have all the answers, but come to a place where we're on a journey to be better and to live better lives and to challenge ourselves. in different ways because we're all, everyone coming to the virtual retreat is already an impressive person. But it's about saying, we've got to be more than impressive. We've got to be happy. We've got to be able to enjoy things and live the life we want.

So you can go join us@mhvirtualretreat.com and come and see us very, very soon. Well, thank you, Matt, for helping people through what is, I think, one of the most difficult life experiences truly you can ever face is heartbreak. And it can be a very, very lonely place, but know that Matthew and I have faced it. We've gone through that dark tunnel in our separate ways at different times in our lives, and there is a path out of it. so we're here with you if you're going through that. And that is it, brother. So we'll say bye-bye and thank you for listening.

Thanks, guys.

See you soon.

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