109: Narcissism, Intuition, & Self-Trust w/ Jenna Brocious

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Welcome to Grief and Guts. I'm your host, Melissa Dugulecki. It is my honor and privilege to serve you by sharing stories, tools, interviews, and strategies that will help you transition from what do I do now? How do I get through this? Those feelings of overwhelm and uncertainty to truly standing in your power. It is from my grief journey in losing my daughter Layden in 2014 that I learned, practiced, was exposed to all these tools, but they are not grief specific. In fact, they apply universally to all of our unique situations. You've already done the hard part by showing up, by opening up to something new. So without any further ado, let's get to the good stuff that's going to help you in your journey.

Let's dive in.

All right, everybody. Welcome back to the pod. My name is Melissa, your host. I am so excited. We are. We are going to be getting into some good stuff today. Actually a topic that I've never spoken about on this podcast, but I have coached so many people through and experienced in my own life, and we have just an absolutely amazing woman joining us today. Jenna Brocius is a spiritually intuitive guide and the creator of Positive Intention for cards. Jenna's whole mission. When I first saw this, I was like, she gets to come on the show because her mission and a lot of her message is, just because something bad happened to you, it doesn't mean that's who you are. And how deeply does that land for us, you know, in this community and what we talk about in overcoming grief, trauma, and adversity? So without any further ado, Jenna, welcome to the show. Hello.

You already have me in tears.

I know I've been getting goosebumps the whole time we've been on, and that's always my sign. So I'm excited for the magic I know we're going to source today.

Tears are my sign, and I've learned to control them. But, yes, tears are my sign. So we got it going on, girl. We got it.

Janet, let the audience know, like, who you are, who you be, what you do so that they can kind of get. Get a sense of what you're creating in this world.

So I am a speaker and the creator of positive intention prayer cards. Like you said, I had a very interesting, wild childhood. I was raised by an alcoholic mother with a revolving door of men. One of those included a motorcycle gang member who is in jail for murder currently. So I am turning my pain into purpose and sharing my story, which makes me want to cry all over again. I think that it is just A passion of mine to share what we can overcome and what we can become all at the same time.

So, so powerful. Thank you. And pain into purpose. I mean, that's. That's how this. This show came about. Right. And the. The loss of my daughter. Anyone listening who isn't familiar, but at the age of four months and, like, how could I. You know what I think, Jenna, is coming through to me right now is the intensity of a pain. We can't, like, make it go away, but we can choose to redirect it. And so, like, it is even that much more purposeful when it was that much more painful, because it's just got that richness and that intensity around it.

Yeah. I think having experienced negative experiences is where we have the opportunity to grow, and it's our choice to either move forward in growth or we just sit and suffer in that pain. And moving forward is way more fun.

Way more fun. 100%. Now, as you were speaking into the child, you know, your childhood and basically absent parents. Right. You know, I want to point out that that's. That's a major thing to grieve. And one of the things that my, you know, my mission is as a bereaved mom, I like to give people a permission slip that they don't need for me, but they often feel it, like, okay, if she says it's grief, it's grief. Like, we as a society don't actually give ourselves permission to grieve. Things that we don't see as traditional grief, like loss, like death. But that is major grief of your childhood and grieving of relationships that you.

Didn'T get to have.

So I just want to really honor and acknowledge that.

You're very sweet. Thank you very much. It's honestly been. You know, I have a different take on it. I just recently found my father at the age of 36, and, you know, I lived my whole life without him that I almost don't have room for him now, which sounds like really weird things. So I've never missed it. And so now that I have it, I'm not sure where he fits in my life. So that's like a whole different level of, like, grief, because I don't even know where to put him. But my mother, on the other hand, I keep her at a very long arm's length because she does not acknowledge any of the things that happened in my childhood, which is even more hard to grieve over. Somebody that won't acknowledge the wrongdoings.

Absolutely.

And where do you go when somebody won't acknowledge what they did to you. Where do you go at the end of the day? My biggest takeaway, my husband said to me, you can't hold somebody to an expectation they never agreed to. And my mom had me, but I don't know if she really knew what she was doing because her mom was an alcoholic, really mean single mother. So when I started to have empathy for my mother and realize where she came from, I started to realize she did the best that she could with her own struggles. And then I was able to have room for forgiveness. And that's when my whole world changed, when I was able to forgive my mother for her not even acknowledging what has ever happened. I really just had my own peace. And that's what I'd always been searching for, was my own peace.

So powerful. Thank you for sharing that. And you know, as you're talking about your childhood and growing up without that lack of, you know, stability and parents figure, you know, you mentioned how your mom was or is or was narcissistic. And I would love, like, I'm not even going to warm us up. We're just going to, like, I would love to just dive into it, like, because narcissism is so prevalent in our society and not talked about nearly enough. And so we're going to talk about it so in you, before even talking about your experiences with your mom in particular, let the audience know, like, what is narcissism? How can they recognize it? And how could it show up in different ways?

Oh, my gosh. I don't even know if I can answer that question correctly for you to be totally honest. I just know from my own experience that my mom made a lot of decisions that benefited her and at the end of the day, hurt me. And so she put me in a lot of odd, uncomfortable, not safe situations for her benefit. And so I just had to. We just had to survive through what was ever going on. But it is heartbreaking being a mother myself to know the things that my mom put me through because I would never do that to my own child. And so that's. That's a really hard place to be when you. I got angry all over again after becoming a mother because I was like, how could you have done this if you loved me so much? And I think at the end of the day, there's a lot of lack of love in our relationship because my mom also didn't really experience love. It's a weird place to be, but for my own self, you have to find a way out.

Yeah. I want to dive more into that and, like, how it impacted you and. And just for listeners who are like, well, is this person narcissistic? And, you know, I'll never forget there was somebody I was in a relationship with previously who. I remember when he said to me, his therapist told him that narcissism comes in many forms. And I looked at him, and I was like, you are so far from anything. You are not a narcissist. There's abs. Like, you are so kind, and you are so giving. And, you know, you take such good care of me. And the truth is, he was a serial. Like, a huge narcissist, but it's harder to spot. And narcissism is actually when you make everything about you. So even though he had been taking care of me, he was taking care of me because it made him feel good. Right when I started to grow and become more empowered and step into my power, he started lashing out because I wasn't feeding and fueling his ego. And so I just want to, like, remind everyone that narcissism can look differently. Like, it often shows up in codependent relationships. 100%, you need someone to make it all about you, and they lack empathy for what you're actually experiencing. And there can be, like, a sense of entitlement and just constantly needing that ego to be fueled. Now, it's typically subconscious, and it's typically from wounds and trauma. So as you were speaking into, like, your mom's upbringing sounds like it was wounded and traumatic, and so that's probably where this was birthed. But I just wanted to, like, give that little definition, because narcissism will hide in. Like, I literally was like, you're not a narcissist. And then years later, I was, like, in counseling, like, oh, my God. I. I'm coming out of, like, an abusive, narcissistic relationship. Right.

So what was it like for you.

Growing up with a narcissistic parent? Like, how did that impact you? And what would you say to somebody who's trying to work their way through healing from such a dynamic?

I think a lot of times, I knew as a child what was going on around me was not okay. And so I think getting out for me was a little bit easier because I knew there was something greater than what I was experiencing. Experiencing. I had friends whose houses I would go to and see their parents act normal. And so I started to see bigger examples of how houses were supposed to be. And my house was never that way. But again, my mom put Me in such awkward, bad situations for her benefit. It just is like mind blowing the things that she would do. I mean, I used to hang out at the Hells Angels clubhouse with the cops staked out across the street, and we would wave at the cops as the women and children went in the front door and the gang members would go in the back door and hide their motorcycles in the secret room. And then my mom would let me hang out with these guys for days upon days. And I'm like, for her benefit. So I think it's the thing I will say the minute I could get away from my mother and I had the opportunity at the age of 19 to move out of state, I ran because I knew the only way to get away from the situation that I was in with her and her craziness was to put distance between us. And so I think putting distance between any unhealthy relationship is sometimes the best move because then it really does take you out of that container that you keep getting stuck in or pulled back into.

Yeah, I mean, it's literally. And I know that you've. You speak a lot about boundaries. Right. But it's literally creating a physical, like, geographical, energetic boundary. Right.

It literally changed my life when I moved. This is. Okay, so this is a funny story. Talk about narcissism here. My first college final. The night before my first college final I had at 7am, by the way, my mom calls me at 4am because she broke into her ex husband's house and beat up his girlfriend. And she's calling me to bail her out of jail three hours before my first college final. Do you think she's considering my feelings in that situation whatsoever?

No.

Mom, thanks a lot. Thanks for being supportive in my college career here. I appreciate that.

Yeah.

Of understanding for other people.

Right. It's not recognizing, you know, a narcissism can actually also show up. Like, and I know you do a lot of work on like spirituality for entrepreneurship and all of this, but, you know, you can even see it sometimes. And it's when somebody makes their entire business all about them or they think. Think that every single person is watching every post that they put up to a point where they can't put something up because it becomes like analysis paralysis. Like, it's an. It's not saying that's narcissism, but it's like a characteristic or a trait where you can't actually see that not everyone is like getting up every day wondering about you and how you're doing and like, and watching you and thinking about you and prepared to help you with whatever you need on any given day. Like, everyone's in their own journey.

So, yeah, it's funny to me. I get questions about Instagram, and they're like, oh, did so? And so watch your video? And I'm like, I don't know. I don't care. I'm not paying attention to that stuff. I put my voice out there, and if it resonates with you, I love that. And if it doesn't, you know, maybe tomorrow's the day. But putting my energy in how many likes or who watched it is just not the realm of where my energy output is going.

100%. One of the things that you had mentioned was in dealing, you know, in the presence of narcissism, like, in our society, how it's such a generational thing. Could you speak more into that or how you witnessed that and how you think we're healing from it?

I think there's a lot of generational trauma that we're dealing with right now. I think alcoholism is a huge generational trauma. I think not speaking our feelings or our truth is a huge generational problem. Um, and I think narcissism is just wrapped up into all of those things. I mean, they all go together so well. But I think. And I. I know you want me to talk about the past, but I want to say I think our generation is actually seeing it and changing it, which warms my heart more than anything, because we're finally looking at our parents and going, what are you doing? That's not okay. We don't act like that. We don't talk like that. It's not all about you. What about the grandkids? Like, hello.

Right? Yeah. And I think there's something to be said when. When these generations, when we step into our adult lives and when we realize we pull out and we can see. Like, to your point, everyone's doing the best they can with the tools they have. Right? Just every generation gets to strengthen the toolbox, and we have additional tools, and we have more emotional intelligence. We have more connection to spirituality. And I agree. I think we are going through a massive healing right now as a collective. Right. Yeah, I just got chills. So in terms of, you know, doing the work and healing, what supports or what ways would you encourage somebody to look at how they can heal and. And grow individually and then also communally?

I think the hardest thing for people to do, and I. My husband struggles with this, too, is just sitting in silence. The minute I actually took the time and gave myself the space to just, like, sit in prayer, sit in meditation, and have no sounds around me. It changed everything for me. And I'll cry again because it was, like, such a pivotal moment in my life. But I really sat five days a week for three hours a day for six months in silence. And I just journaled and I prayed, and that's where my prayer card idea came to me. So I feel like that was totally spirit, like, working through me. But I think for. If you could start with just giving yourself like, maybe 10 or 30 minutes a day of just sitting in pure silence and just listening to your own heart, I think is such a big thing. I also think only saying yes to things that make you excited. If it's a hell yes, do it. If it's a I don't know or it's a no, you're honestly not taking care of yourself when you say yes to something you don't want to do. And so I think being true to who you are. And boundaries. So there's like, kind of. There's three things there, and boundaries is definitely one of them. And I think you have to protect yourself. You have to protect your heart. You have to protect your. Your own quiet space, whatever that might be. But we have to voice our opinions and stand in what makes us feel.

Yeah. And kind of what you were saying before, you were speaking into when you post on Social, it's like the space of unattachment, like, being detached. Like, I'm doing what is true to me, and if it serves somebody great, if it doesn't, it's okay. And I think when we are voicing our truth, we get to really lean into that same level of, this is my truth. I'm giving myself permission to share it. I'm coming from love. And if it triggers somebody or doesn't work for somebody, like, I'm gonna allow that to be okay and trust that if it aligns with somebody, it's just gonna forge and forward our connection. And I also think there's something else beautiful, too. When I love. Sorry. I just get so excited about this stuff. I love when people set boundaries with me because I feel so safe in that, knowing that I don't ever have to try and read their mind or wonder if they're speaking their truth. And it also. I mean, I don't need permission to set boundaries. I'm very good at it. But when I. What I have witnessed is when I set boundaries, while other people have said it gives them permission to do the same. Like Right.

Or it gives them an opportunity to relax because they know exactly where both of you stand in that scenario. Yes. Yeah. My mother in law does not know boundaries. And I have come in and created many boundaries in this family now. And she actually thanked me recently for having created boundaries and because she's just so not able to speak her truth that she's like, you are an example to me. And it was so odd for an older adult to say that to me, but I, I ran with it because that's such a beautiful thing for somebody to say. And to take a compliment, by the way, can we talk about taking compliments better?

Yes, go.

You just need to take compliments better because, you know, somebody would be like, oh, I love your top.

I'd be like, oh, I got it.

At TJ Maxx for $9. And I need to be like, no, no, no, no. Discounting ourselves.

Thank you.

I love this top too. You know, like, we need to, we need to be more gracious when we, we receive compliments well.

And allowing ourselves to receive.

Receiving is the hardest thing.

Yeah. And I do think a lot of this is generational. Like, I don't think that the generations before us were. They kn. Boundaries were.

No, no, no, no, no.

Right.

No.

So it wasn't like, I'm not going to set them. It was like, well, what? Like, no, like, that's not something that we do. Like, we follow these rules, we check these boxes, we make people happy, we look a certain way, we eat a certain way, we have a certain routine. Like, that was their generation. And as we're breaking that, like, yeah, boundaries is a massive tool that we've added. And receiving. Oh, what's your journey been like with receiving?

It's been really hard and I still catch myself trying to discredit the compliment. And I just have to zip my mouth and say thank you. Because I, I don't believe it or I don't think I deserve it or, you know, it gets me all flustered inside. I don't know why, but, you know.

Receiving was really hard for me for a big part of my journey. And it was showing up in the types of relationships I was calling in. It was showing up in my financial state. Like, I'd be working so hard, but I had this like, underlying thing that I couldn't receive that like, I don't even know where my money went. I'm like in debt or I'm paying for other people. And something that really has supported me, in case this supports anyone listening, is I actually will now Say, thank you, I receive.

Oh, I like that.

Like, if somebody wants to. Like, I used to have a really hard time if somebody would want to pick up the check even, like, I said, no, no, no, no, no, it's okay, you know, and now I'll be like, thank you, I receive. Right.

Have you ever started living with the mentality of dinner is always free?

No, tell me.

There is this woman that I was just talking to recently, and she goes in with every mentality that every dinner is going to be picked up for her. So it'll be like the table next to her will pick the tab up. Like, I don't know how she manifests this crazy thing, but, like, she was at a group dinner and the guy is like, oh, I just want to pick up dinner for everybody. And she's like, oh, perfect. That's how I normally work. Dinner's always free. And I was like, that is such a cool. I mean, I pray to my angels for good parking spots. Maybe I should be praying for free dinner.

Talk about like a manifesting wizard.

I know. I was so impressed by that.

I love that. Now, something that you've spoken into a little bit, and I really want. I want you to tell the listeners more about your deck and your cards. But before we get in there, something that we kind of touched on that I think we can go a little bit deeper in is, okay, well, in order to set boundaries or in order to post on social or whatever, it may be, like, I get to detach from Outcome. That's really hard for people. Oh, so how would you support somebody who's like, how do I detach from.

Outcome when it comes to social media? I think it's one of those things that I've posted videos and they've done uber, uber well. And then I've done videos and I'm like, oh, this video is going to do really well. And then it doesn't do well. Those. I just have learned that I post whatever I'm going to post. And by the way, I don't post all the time unless it's truthful to me. So sometimes I have weeks where I don't post because I don't feel like I have anything to share. And if it's not truthful or loving, I don't. But I put my phone down because the videos that are going to do well never do. And the ones I don't think anything about do really well. It's so odd to me. So that's where I've just learned, like, I'm Going to post for the day, and then I'm going to walk away. Because whatever the universe has planned for that post or whoever that post is supposed to reach, it's going to reach, and it's not in my control at this point. I have zero control over how many clicks I'm going to get in a day. So I think you just have to relax and trust and have faith in the universe that everything is going to work in your favor.

I so agree. Like, everything is unfolding exactly how it's meant to unfold, and everything's just feedback. I think for me, what's really supported me in detaching from outcome is viewing everything as feedback. Just feedback.

Right.

Like, this resonating. This isn't. This is working in my business. This isn't. This is working in my relationship. This isn't. Like, there's no failure. I think when you eliminate. Like, I love how Kobe Bryant used to speak about that all the time. Like, there's no failure. Right, Right. Like, failure doesn't exist. And if we really look at it like, you can't fail, like, failure doesn't exist, it allows us to risk and from outcome. And I also find that if I really strengthen my attachment to the process, like, the process of sharing my truth, the process of putting my message out there and, like, then just letting it, like, kind of like no one watching can see me, but I'm like, you know, shaking my hands, like. Like, then just kind of letting it go, like.

Right.

So my attachment is to the process, and then I just let the outcome be what it is.

Oh, I think I just got something from you today. Thank you.

So good. I love. I love going back and forth. So how do you support people in, you know, finding more connection to their spirituality, integrating it in their relationships or their business? Like, what are some ways in which you support people doing that or that you could support anyone listening and beginning to think how integrating spirituality can create even better results. Right.

Yeah. I think, honestly, having alone time is a big part of being able to connect to your spirituality. I think journaling is also a beautiful place that you can connect to self. I mean, to be honest with you, spiritual spirituality is just about knowing oneself at the end of the day. And so I think journaling your feelings is such a beautiful thing because you can really get lost in all of those emotions and get caught up in them sometimes. But my husband's the president of a company, and we have many serious conversations, and I always go back to him and say, what does your gut tell you? And gut checking yourself can be hard in the beginning because you're unsure of what feeling you're looking for. But I think if you can sit with, like, a serious question that you're trying to get an answer to and just allow yourself some quiet time to sit in that, like, pit of your stomach and be like, does that feel good or does that feel bad? And that's really one of the biggest tools that I work with my husband on constantly is, like, does it make your heart happy? Do you feel it somewhere? Where do you feel that feeling? And then moving forward from there, because we can get lost with a lot of noise. And it's really our own personal decisions on how we move and how we. We react. And I think feeling it in our body is the biggest, biggest advantage you can have in spirituality and business.

Okay, I'm gonna. I could not agree more. Like, if I don't feel it in my body, like, it's just not happening. I'm not making a choice yet. Right?

Yeah.

What I do want to offer anyone listening, is the importance of having a coach or a mentor to support you in identifying that times. Jenna, I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. Many times we haven't done the work yet, and we don't truly know ourselves. What we feel in our body can actually be our wounds, and we're drawn back to it. Right. I was constantly attracted. I'd feel it in my body, but I was drawn back to that same relationship dynamic because I had created a sense of safety from my own childhood in something that felt familiar but actually wasn't serving me well. Right. But I would feel it in my body, and I'd be like, oh, those butterflies. Or, oh, I feel it. And so I think it's so important. And let me know what you think on this. But for those just kind of beginning to get into this, to really have the support to untangle the, like, ego or the wounds and the unhealed trauma that we don't even know is trauma that can create a feeling in our body that can maybe feel good, but it's actually not in our highest self.

Well, and again, I mean, I go back to the silence thing, but I think sitting in silence really can give you the opportunity. But I think you would agree on this. I have coaches. I'm a spiritually intuitive guide, and I have my people that can put me into a meditation I can't get myself into. So I think we always need to have a community, and you always need to have support, and you need to have that shoulder to cry on or that shoulder that can tell you you were wrong in that situation and how can we fix it moving forward? I think having support's the biggest, it's the biggest part of this journey, even though it's a very lonely journey because there's nobody that's experienced the experiences that you have had. But there are beautiful people like yourself out there that are there to support you and love you and help you in the right direction and take you.

Further to your point than you can take yourself.

Right. I can't do the things that my healer does. For me it's. It blows my mind what she can do now.

And my coach like. And personally I always say I won't work with a coach who doesn't have a coach because to me that's not embodied right. If you're saying like, you know, grow, invest in yourself, expand, you know, invest in somebody and developing you like, to me it's really important as a coach that I'm embodying that and to anyone that I'm investing in is also embodying it.

But all about investing in yourself. If I'm going to invest in you, I want you to be investing in yourself just as much.

Yes. That's it. You want like. Yes. If I'm gonna invest in you, you get to invest in you.

Right. 100.

Otherwise we're out of alignment.

Right? Yes.

Those are the little mic drops we're having here. Resources in here. So I love how you are speaking into the power of silence. Something that I do a practice for me is I will I actually schedule this, my calendar one Friday and Saturday a month now I get to make a little bit more time but Friday I'll have my last call at like 3 or 4. I will not speak a word out loud. I will not speak a word out loud all night. I'll get a really good night's sleep. I'll just lay journal. I won't watch TV like nothing. And then in the morning I try and go until about 1 o' clock in the afternoon without speaking a word out loud. And when I do that, and I've coached a couple of my like business clients to do that, like I feel like I've just gone on like a month long retreat somewhere. It's amazing. So silence and you've spoken to that. But what you said was you got one of your ideas. You know, one of the things that really came through and you source was the positive intention card. So tell us about them.

So I love my positive intention prayer Cards, they actually came to me in right before COVID hit, actually. I was going to launch them in 2020, and, you know, everything changed that year.

Yeah.

But so in Covid, though, it came even more apparent to me that I had to make these cards because I was struggling mentally. I'm at home with the toddler. I am a very outgoing person that loves to be around people, and I was really struggling mentally, and I couldn't find something to help me just, like, switch the energy. And I just was, like, googling, like, positive prayer cards. I kept Googling things and not finding what I was personally looking for. So then for me, that was even more affirmation that I had to make these cards because there was nothing out there like them. So there are seven cards. Peace, love, positivity, grief, worthiness, Strength, Change, and travel. And the grief prayer card was actually written for a girlfriend of mine who lost her child unexpectedly. And I was just so devastated for her. I wanted her to have something that she could say without having to think about it. And so that, like, that one just holds a special place in my heart. And then worthiness. I'm around all these beautiful, amazing, strong women that just couldn't see their value. And so I wrote the worthiness prayer card for them. So there is a prayer that I have written, and then there's a Bible verse that correlates with the prayer I've written. But you can switch it out for Dear Universe. It doesn't have to be God. Whatever resonates with you, I think you could change it up. It also comes with a little stone that correlates with the topic. And so I always have a rock in my back pocket. My husband always, like, laughs when he sees a bump in my. In my jeans because he knows I've got some crystal back there today. But I love just like, I'm always rubbing a crystal. The cards were made to fit in a wallet, or I've had people put them in the back of their phone cases as a close reminder. So they just came from, like, the purest place in my heart. Seen a need that hadn't been filled.

That's so beautiful. And how, like, you truly source that and. And providing these. These, like, little mirrors for people and I think a reminder that we're not alone.

No, that's the craziest part. When you, like, get deeper into your journey, you realize how really not alone we are and how closer people that have passed away, how much closer they actually are to us now than ever before. I see a hummingbird every Day. And that is my grandma. So, you know, when I don't see that hummingbird, I'm like, grandma, where are you today? I haven't seen you yet. Because I will see a hummingbird wherever I travel to. I. It just like. Even if it's on, like, the COVID of a book at an airport, I will always see a hummingbird.

So beautiful. Mine is white butterflies.

It's like, butterfly is a hard one, by the way.

I know, I know. And it's like, I don't see it every day, but I see it in the moments. Actually, last year, I've never even heard the story, but last year, when I was making some major, major, scary changes in my life. I live in New Mexico normally, and I was, like, on my couch, and I have a massive glass wall, and I was, like, literally crying, and I was in it, and I was talking to my coach, like, I don't know if I can do this. Like, I was leaving my. My former business as I knew it, and it was really scary. And there was a white butterfly that was on my window, A huge one. I took a picture of it. I still have it, literally for hours. Hours. And I was like, okay, I'm.

So does that give you the reassurance that you needed to move forward?

100. Yeah.

That's such a beautiful, beautiful sign. We just need to be open and aware of them, because they're everywhere.

Yes. And so what would you say to somebody listening who wants to strengthen their spirituality and maybe, like, wonders, am I open to the signs? Like, you know, sitting in silence, journaling, and what other ways can they support themselves to receive these signs and to be open to them?

So I love to play games with my spirit guides and my angels because they are always very much closer than we realize. But it's fun to ask a question, be like, a very. And I would start with simple questions and just be like, is today gonna be a great day? Show me a smiley face. And then see if throughout your day you get, like, a smiley face, and I get, like, emoji. Like, I think of emoji. I love emojis. So I think in emojis. But, like, you might see an emoji on the side of a bus that's a smiley face. I just love asking simple little questions and seeing if you are. Can catch on and, like, see if they're gonna show up. And most of the time, they really do show up. You just have to be aware of it. We have to open our eyes a little bit wider sometimes.

Yes. 100% start simple.

Don't go. Big questions. Don't be like, is this the man of my dreams?

Yeah.

To start with, is this the man for today? And maybe today, maybe forever. But let's start small and, you know, work our way up.

I love that. Start small, keep it simple.

Right after a parking spot. Like, that's a very great, easy, simple one. And normally it works for me.

I love that. All right. I hope everybody listening is feeling inspired to step into their power a little bit more, to connect with themselves, to find some silence, to, you know, to build the strength with your spirituality and your intuition and to play a little game with the universe. Because I always say I'm like, oh, she's so flirty today. You know, she's so feisty today, you know, and when you do that, like, life just gets to be fun and light and, you know, Jenna, thank you for being such an example of you can go through and be in an environment where, like, you grew up in an environment that didn't have the fertile soil for you to be who you are right now, but you created your own soil. Yeah.

Yeah. I think, you know what? I knew what was going on around me wasn't correct, but I also didn't know what was the right way. And I have had a very patient, kind husband who has helped me nurture my inner child and also becoming a mother, because that's just a roller coaster in itself. You know that. And I am blessed to have been able to get out of the toxicity and find my own peace. It is not easy. I worked three jobs for, like, five years to keep my head above water. But you know what? I, like, wouldn't take any of that back because it made me a stronger, bigger, better person from it. And I wouldn't take back my childhood because it made me who I am. And I'm talking to you today because of it. So I think you just have to, like, have appreciation for those wild, scary, crazy moments, because it's what we kind of signed up for, and it's what we're here to experience, and let's enjoy the ride. When you have fun, life gets better.

Yes. So action step.

Long time to figure that out.

By the way, life gets to be fun. And as somebody who, you know, as a breed mom, like, I will tell you, the first time I laughed, or, like, really, like, really laughed after my daughter passed, I felt guilty. And then you realize over time, like, wait, how am I contributing and serving this world to others? Because whatever energy we're putting out there, we're putting out there and how am I also creating my environment? Like I'm worthy of living still. And, you know, I just want to honor, like, you choosing your worthiness and your life and your future and your family, no matter what you went through. And it's an inspiration for anybody listening that you can. You are in full control and ownership and you get to. You get to have a little fun with the universe and your guides. Yeah.

For set. I mean, life is a roller coaster. So just like, put your arms up and scream and have fun while you do it.

Oh. All right. As we are kind of winding down, what I would love is for you to just share what you are the most excited that you are creating in the world right now, whatever that may be. What are you the most lit up and excited about? And then let people know where they can find you. What. Where they can get their hands on positive intention prayer cards and. And just like, be in your just healing, magical energy.

Okay, so this is kind of. I'm going to answer this question, but I'm going to answer it not the way I think you want me to look.

I'm untouched.

I am a manifester. Like, I just will, like, manifest manifest all day. I get these crazy ideas and I got to get them in my head all the time. And I just realized recently that I need to take a step back and I need to realize that all is well and I need to let it unfold because if I just keep dumping stuff into the vortex, nothing's ever going to happen. So I'm living in a place of all as well. And you know what? Everything is actually unfolding in the last three months how it's supposed to. And I just, like, I'm so blessed and excited. But living in a place of all as well is actually not as easy as you would think. My. My side brain ego drunk is trying to mess with me right now. So we are living in a place of all as well. But you can find me on Etsy at Jenna B. Spiritual. That is also my Instagram handle and my website. So Jenna B. Is there for you all to love and buy prayer cards. And I will send you love when you buy them. Just a little sprinkle.

So believe me, you know, you're not getting to see Jenna's beautiful face and energy, but you want her sprinkles of love in your life. So definitely we will link all of that in the show notes as well. So, Jenna, thank you so much for coming on. It was just an absolute joy to spread your magic thank you.

I appreciate you so much.

Thank you all so much for being here at Grief and Guts as Layden's mom. Being able to spread the stories, the strategies, the lessons I have learned through Layden and from ladies Laden is the thing that means the most to me in this world and allowing my daughter's short life to have long and lasting impact by shining her light. Truly, nothing means more if you align with and believe in the work that we're doing here in these messages. The best way to give back and to spread this out into the world is to rate and review on Spotify and on itunes. Thank you for taking just a moment to do that. Feel free to shoot me a message. Let me know what you want to hear more of, what you want to see more of. I am here to serve. I'm grateful to do so and I'm cheering you on in your journeys.

Always.