From Self-Development to Media Powerhouse and Visionary Leader

The strategic alliances and creating core connections that really will move the needle. You only need one to four, you know, major connections that can really collapse time.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode of Mick Unplugged. And we've got a brilliant person for you today. She's a media powerhouse, a champion for women entrepreneurs, and the mastermind behind the Diva Network. As the executive producer and host of Dining Divas Texas. We're gonna talk about Dallas in a moment. And destination Divas tv. She's redefining collaboration and empowerment in the industry. She's a visionary. She's empowering. She's innovative. She is. Adora Crystal Evans. Adora, how you doing today? The crowd goes crazy and the crowd goes wild.

So fun, right? Do you feel that way when people read your bio?

You know, I introduce people. How I wish I got introduced. So I try to give everybody at least a little something, something.

Thank you. Thank you. That was fun.

Good stuff. So we were talking offline when I'm a huge follower of you on social, so I need to apologize to you in the world. Adora is a Dallas Cowboys fan. Die Hard.

Yes. Well, I would say by blood, I'm not die Hard. Like, I watched it.

Sounds like an excuse.

True. It's not excuse. Not excuse. I don't say that I watch all the games, but if you ask me, Dallas is my team all the way, all day. Yes.

Okay. Yeah, I'll give you that fault. You know, you can't be perfect everywhere. You're perfect everywhere else. You know, that's one fault that you have. It's okay.

I love it. I love it. We'll always. We'll always have this banter, and it'll be awesome. Probably our.

There you go.

When you're here next week, I hear.

I am in Dallas next week for a couple of days, so that'll be awesome. I won't go visit the stadium. You know, a little secret, Adora, my mom is also a die Hard.

Yes, she. She knows. So this is just rebellion. That's all that you're doing. Okay, I'll let you have that now.

There you go. There you go. So, Adora, before I get into the now, I want to talk about your. Because that thing that's deeper than your why that thing that's like your purpose. And I know for a lot of people, your because changes over time. So if I were to say ADORA Right now, 20, 25, what's your. Because, what's your purpose?

I love this question. I really do. And it's funny. In my 20s, I spent a lot of time wondering and wanting to make sure I was on the right purpose. I don't know if you remember the purpose driven life and everything was all about. And in your 20s, I don't know if it was this way for you, but for me I was so confused because I was very curious and. But the funny thing is my because hasn't changed. Even in my 20s, I always wanted to be a part of elevating women financially, spiritually, emotionally, physically, and to sovereignty for women. And I always saw that in collaboration with men. So it wasn't sort of the feminist type of movement. Nothing wrong with. I think everyone holds their mantle and it's beautiful. But even at 17, I was saying some version of that and I just had it in different packages. Maybe it looks like this now. It looks like this. So I've. There's a through line for me. And now at 46, I look back and can go, wow, I was saying it at 17, I was saying another version every year that that hasn't changed. So it's really nice to be at an age where I go, I'm, I'm right in, you know, I'm, I'm right in the center of where I'm meant to be.

There you go. And not a, not a moment older.

Than 26, I'll take it list.

So tying in your because and your purpose. Right? So you know, you were founder, creator, the Diva Network. Like tell me about how that came along. Like a lot of times we have ideas, right? We have thoughts. And a lot of times we put one foot in front of the other and then something happens and that idea goes away and we start working on something else. But you kind of redefined resiliency in starting the network. So tell us a little bit about the purpose of the network and more importantly, how did it become an actual thing versus just the idea?

Yeah, I love that. So first of all, 20 something years in self development. And so I was one of the first Napoleon Hill certified leaders. I was. Had spent a lot of years in different ways working in that industry and I kept happening into media. So 23 years old, I read Think and Grow Rich. It was a breakdown moment in my life that those breakdowns to breakthroughs everyone talks about or lots of people talk about. And Napoleon Hill had interviewed all these successful people. So one of the many things that I wrote down was that I wanted to interview successful people because that seemed to work out for him, because I wanted to be paid for it. And so at 23 without even finishing the book, I went from working at a nightclub to producer for Pat Summerall Productions on the Discovery Channel, where I was interviewing CEOs who were revenuing 10 million or more as part of my process of producing a show. I wasn't even done with the book yet. So I really. That only strengthened my belief in what's possible when we get an idea in our or we're exposed to new information that unlocks something. And that was such a quantum leap for me. I. I literally could not believe. But I could. But I couldn't believe where I was sitting and what I was doing and how it happened. That because I didn't go apply, someone called me and said, hey, there's a job ad in my twenties. It'll help you. I trusted that person. I had no idea. I just got an Ann Taylor suit, tried to look older than I was, you know, be very mature, pass the psychology test. Then I found out and landed in what I had written in my vision board. And so that kept happening to me. So what I learned there opened. I was already a connector. So there are a lot of connectors. I don't know. Do you feel like you're a connector? I feel like you're a connector. So there are a lot of connectors in the world. But that job specifically gave me the ability to speak to very high level, busy people in a succinct way to understand how to deliver a win win message fast. Because with CEOs, you have to deliver it fast. And that skill set set up what I did the rest of my life. I became not just a connector, but really able to connect at every level. So the highest levels when. When I need to. And so that kept opening these different doors, but I kept happening into media. I ended up in 2006. Do you remember when the peace signs came out again?

Yeah.

Okay. So I worked with the designer who we were, the reason that happened. We dressed Cher, Katie Perry, Rihanna. Even then, my celebrities were the authors. Like I could name off the author of almost any book. But half the celebrities we were dressing, I was looking them up and I was there for the peace signs and the global movement and the glorious fashion and all of that. Again, that was a moment where I happened into media. I helped with the movie the Secret brought a couple of those people in there. I was a senior writer for Fashion and art magazine in Egypt. But in the pockets between, I was doing like with the. There's a woman, Elaine Hendricks, who was the stepmom and Parent Trap. Remember, she gets Wizard. She's been a bunch of other things, but she and I had a company in LA before the Peace Signs, Girls Gone Gorgeous Beauty Inside out, right. So I was always doing this in between. So even when I was in media, my vision was, one day I'm gonna help all these women the way that I've been helped by the authors, speakers, teachers, and I'm, you know, I just always had this vision. So speaking. Speed it up. I'm working as an president of the Napoleon Hill Institute. I had already produced events with Les Brown. Him and I did an event in Atlanta together and I had worked with. I did a Think and Grow Rich tour with Brian Tracy, Les Brown, Bob Proctor, all the legacy names. Bob was on the New Psychology of Winning. He already passed away, away by Think and Grow Rich. Excuse me for that. So Think and Grow Rich tour. I realized, wow, I have all these legends and waymakers in the industry, all men over 70, you know, like, they're my incredible mentors. But I went, I need. Where are the women on this? I need more women. So I was introduced to Christine Current, which I need to say, by then I'd already written a book, majestic money, the 30 day femme manifesting game, did the Rich Queen movement, all this stuff. But now I'm the president of Napoleon Hill Institute doing these events. Christine and I fall in love online in front of everyone on this virtual event. Six, eight weeks later, we did a Think and Grow rich mastermind in St. Lucia and we filmed it. That kicked off Destination Divas, where once a year we would do a mastermind and for me, mix still. It was my fun thing, my glitter party. But over here was very serious about the transformation of the planet. And I was making the right moves. I was with the right people, their biggest brands, you know. And the divas started because we were doing these masterminds. Christine started elevating what she expected out of her cast. She wanted them to participate in self development. We created a no gossip policy. We started. And the divas that started coming in wanted more self development in between. And so Christine said, why don't you start your women's empowerment movement over here? And at first I was like, that's my fun glitter party thing. I'm already on, you know what, I'm already doing these big things. But as I kept experiencing when I would get with the women, the quantum leaps that were happening because we move different, you know, we're on set in some of the most serious moments and the way we break tension, someone starts dancing and then everybody's dancing and boom, we're reset. Right. Or we're. Oh, I love your hair. I love. You know, we're. We're built different right then. And so what happened out of that joy is the base with very driven, entrepreneurial women sitting with some of the greatest entrepreneurial minds and business owners on our TV show is that we all start experiencing quantum leaps and like never before, all very connected women doing things. But it just. And I really believe it's because of the joy at the center, because we were in an environment that is built for women, by women, you know, and so I know I've given you a lot there. I could land the plane, but is there anything you want to say or ask before.

Yes. So we're gonna unpack and unplug a lot in there, because here's what I. I've heard you say it several times. You've referenced it several times about leading. Here's what Adora is not going to say about herself, so I'm going to.

Say it for her.

Adora is one of the top five leaders in the world, and I truly mean that from my soul. So, Adora, with you in leadership, was there, like, a pivotal moment in your career that kind of shaped your approach to leadership? Because, like, I know I have had that moment, but I love to hear, like, what was that moment for you? That's like, I get it now.

You know, I think there have been lots of many moments, but I can tell you there right now, I'm in the center of a whole new leadership belief leap.

Yeah.

And part of that is as I cast this vision with the Diva Network, which. The Diva Network for us is a community where people can get connected and act driven, Inspiring, visionary, authentic leaders get connected to the right people, ideas, resources, collaborations that will have their vision not only be birthed, but live and thrive and collapse time. I believe that when we get behind visionary leaders, every person, God's given them a vision for certain people, for children, for tribes, for babies, for marriages, for sex lives, for. I mean, people, for art, for. People have visions for the world. And then when we get behind that, we're taking care of the world, we create a ripple of effect. And so what I've realized, because we're global now and we're going into the continent of Africa. Let me. Let me give you that. So isn't that. I'm going to tell you, Mick, this has been kind of crazy, because Texas, Florida, California, as the main shows in a country where we say, For English, press 1, for Spanish, press 2.

Right.

You would think Latin America and the Latin market is where we're going next. It's where we're going third. But what happened is, as we opened the Diva Network and started bringing people in, in our room of 30, initially a third of the room, people had never met each other before, were all from Africa doing something major in Africa or had a heart for Africa. So they started saying, let's. Let's take this to Africa. We're ready to go to Africa. Right? And so by community, it got. We went into Africa first. And very quickly, just in the pre conversation, I realized, even though it's my vision that we impact the world, and it moves me to tears, it moves me greatly that we have the opportunity to go there and to experience and elevation and sisterhood and all that. I realized very quickly that movement had to be led by African women who know what is going on, what the narrative is, what is needed. And then we. Me, I'm the supporting role. And the sisters here and the men who support us, we support that. And so our first meeting with 71 influential people on the call from the continent of Africa, everywhere from South Africa, Ghana, Zimbabwe, like, all over. We had two African women open it. I went in the middle, two African women, and they sang this anthem that's really known in South. They taught me Ubuntu. Yeah, yeah. It was. It was just chills on chills on chills. And. And it really was like, less of me. That's how I feel. More of this. And so leadership for me now is how it was always about my story, to help other people's stories unlock theirs. But now it's more, how do I unlock and position well, other leaders in a shared vision? Because we're all dreaming this dream in a different way of a better world for our children, of safety, of freedom, of collaboration, of economy, of thriving, of, you know, expression. And. And so this next leap for me is. It's already happening, but it's got to go even further than I've ever gone and really just positioning leaders very well and then driving the vision, but also hearing, well, the collective vision. You know, it's more community and group brain than. Than, like a lot of years before. A lot of people go through this, where you get your story together and you share it. And then there are lines of people going, me too, me too, me too. And that was profound. But where it is for me now is her story, her story, his story. Right. More of that, more than ever in my life, and more listening, which is interesting.

I love It, I love that completely. You know, and the second thing that you talked about is the power of mentorship. Right. So like for me, you mentioned Les Brown. Les Brown is one of my mentors. I talked to Les five times a day, literally. He just sent me a text right now. Yeah, Les and I spent a bunch of time together. So can you discuss the role of mentorship in your journey and its importance in empowering women and also empowering leaders? Because I personally think this is where our society is missing the mark. There's a lot of business mentors, there's a lot of influencer mentors. Like if you're not making a hundred grand a month, I can show you how to do that. If you're not doing like, that's all great, but we're not teaching people the right thing. And so I personally believe as leaders and also I think for you too with women like really mentoring this next generation. But I'd love to hear your take on that.

Well, I love that you talk to less so much and that you presence the different types of mentorship in the way that it's offered. And I want to talk both to men and women. As you said, my top mentors, many of them have been men, amazing men that opened doors for me, showed me ways of communicating, showed me things that, that I could apply and quantum leap in life. Right. So and a mentor really is the most important thing. One thing that I love, Jim Rohn said it. I remember being 18 in a boarded up home with no electricity and on a walkman radio, battery operated. I heard Jim Rohn say, get a mentor and he said if you cannot find one, the library is full of them and you can go for free. And now we live in a world that podcast, online, live, all of that. And that can be confusing when there are so many people, so many options. So a real mentor, when you're with them, it's not just what they're going to tell you and what they, the advice that they give or the book that they wrote. It is what you catch in their way of being when, when they're not thinking necessarily about what they're passing on to you, if that makes sense. So Dennis Waitley, one of my, he's like a dad to me, was a mentor to Les. Even how I met Les, there, there are so many books and he is very well known to the people he's known to. But what has impacted me most over the years about Dennis is his consistent year after year, day after day, showing up kind and really being kind. To people. Even Les Brown had a story of being nine years old and giving his first speech, and, you know, this guy going crazy, and he couldn't see. And it was Dennis standing ovation, you know, just started the roaring ovation. So, you know, mentorship is more what you catch in the relationship and how. Who they are between the lines, as much as what they can tell you to collapse time and to open doors. And it is one of the most important. You become who you hang out with. So you always want people that are further and farther along and that represent where you want to be. Because if you're just hanging out with people at your level, you're going to stagnate. There's. Or maybe you get. You get to be the duck that's a little higher, the goose that's a little higher. But it's always going to be at a certain standard. So mentorship 100%. Now with the Diva Network, what I've realized is that I didn't anticipate, Mick, is that I knew we would impact men through, because we're women that love our husbands, our children, our business partners, our babies. What I didn't anticipate is when men would come into our environment. Just like we got the privilege of going. I got the privilege of stepping into a business structure created by wonderful men. So one day I was sitting, and, you know, the mad stuntman, he's saying, I like to move it, move it. Okay. So he was on a Diva Network call. He's written a song for us, by the way. I'll have to send it to you. The Diva. Yeah, it's very cool. But he was on a call, and he started crying, and then I could see in the zoom, you know, you see all his thumbs. I'm like, sean is here. And he started crying here. Jimmy started crying here. And I have no intention to, like, hey, I'm going to make you cry. Right?

Yeah.

But what it. What it is is that when healthy men come into our environment, one impact seems to be they get connection to their heart or to their vulnerability. And there are other ways we're impacting, too, but that's been very cool.

So I want to take mentorship a step further. Another place you were going earlier. And again, Adora's not going to give herself credit. So, you know, I said, she's one of the top five leaders. I know she is one of the top two connectors that I know. Her and Daymond, John, I think, are the two greatest connectors that we have on Earth. Right.

Thank you. That's. Thank you.

So adore for the listeners and viewers, how important is is networking and fostering strategic partnerships because again, I think that's also something that's missing because it's real easy to grab your phone and do things on social media, but getting to know real people will never get old.

Yeah, it's so true. So for me, community and relationship is the most important investment of our time. When you get to the end of your life, I've been told by my guys that are 92, 78, 80, and they're looking what they say, peering down the hallway and their friends that have passed on, when there are four or five people that you very likely will want around you. And that's about it, right? So the relationships that we invest in, that is always going to be, when it comes down to it, the most valuable thing. When you think of your best moments, even if it was achieving some kind of award or doing something, there was someone looking at you and you were receiving something from them and that that mattered or it meant something, someone you impacted, some contribution you made and you were seen by someone that you wanted to be seen by. So, and then when you look at, you know, here in the US we went through wildfires unexpected in la, we went through a new president. We've seen all kinds of things happen globally, whether it's fires and we saw celebrities like Mel Gibson lose every, you know, normal people in that moment. It's going to be a person, a relationship that says, come stay at my house. Here's where the water is, here's. So it doesn't matter if it's disastrous or it's exciting like AI is coming. Let me show you a better way to use ChatGPT. Let me show you where the money's flowing in the marketplace right now. Let me tell you why you want to be online, right? Or why whatever club, it's going to be a person that tells you that it's going to be a relationship that gives you the fast track to that. So relationships matter so much. But one thing that I think is really important is a lot of times people think, okay, as a connector, you certain connectors, they're awesome at acknowledging everybody's birthday and sending out postcards and gifts. But even if you are being a connected person, so meaning present, you're in the grocery store, eye contact, acknowledging the human being that's feet are probably pounding because all day they've been swiping and they've got whatever, fruit juice, meat juice on their hands. You know what I Mean, and they're serving. And I know there's less of that now. We can serve ourselves at those checkouts. But the eye contact, if you just notice what happens when you make eye contact with someone and they. Sometimes I've seen people get startled. They're in this sort of like, hey. And then I look at them and say, hey. And they're like. It's almost like, whoa. You see? Like, hi. It could be as simple as busy today. Happy to be. And. And just that connection is life. So. So first of all, being a connected to your life and reality person and the moment that you're in and the humans that are in your life, taking that moment and maximizing that will go very far. And I, you know, I gave the example of the peace signs or the. And that woman, when I walked into her studio, I was not looking for a job. I didn't even know she was sitting there. I was going wild over the designs on the phone. Someone was late. She takes down her glasses, hey, sit down. I haven't heard someone talk about my designs like that in a while. Right? And we connected. So being a connected human, first of all is huge. But then two, the strategic alliances and creating core connections that really will move the needle. You only need one to four, you know, major connections that can really collapse time and being able to move your vision, your life forward. So I know I went down a tangent different than you than we started. But it's a way of being first that will give you a better quality of life anywhere. And sometimes you're in rooms and you don't know who's looking at you. You like that designer, I didn't even know. But because I was being connected, we connected. And it created this whole new leap. So you can have the right strategy, the right script. And if you're a connected person, then when someone meets you and they like you and we like each other. Mike, I already like you've hyped me up so much, right. And I like your energy is soft. It's fun. We have our cowboys banter. We've got our stuff going. When you like someone, then you, you want to know what are you up to? How can we play together? What can we do? Right? Like what? So that's why I'm saying be a connected person first. It's not something you people feel it when you flip on to agenda like, oh, I have a target and I know what I want from you and it feels a certain way. So. But then, yeah, networking is the number one. Everything I do Everything major that is in collaboration and connection. Anybody who looks back and go, oh, yeah, that was a collaboration. Like right now, Diva Network is a collaboration with Dining Empire. We have a collaboration with Napoleon Hill. Things coming out, you know, it's, it's just a fast path and it's right now is the fastest way. So there used to be a phrase, I don't know if you ever heard this, Mick, where they say, if you want to go fast, go alone and if you want to go far, go together.

Go together.

Yeah, you've heard that. But I think in today's day, if you want to go fast or you want to go far, you go together. It's true. I mean, you just, it collapses time. You bring your resources, I bring mine. You've everything's lighter, the load is easier, everybody wins. It's just, it's the way in any economy to, to move faster. It's why you see Starbucks collaborating with Target. It's why, you know, Oprah with Weight Watchers. You know what, you know, you see it happen a lot.

No, totally agree, Totally agree. So let's talk a little bit briefly on the Dining Divas tv. So talk to us a little bit about that, what you've got going on there, and most importantly because I talked to Christine about it. When does Mick get his own show? I've got a smoker. I've got a flat top. You know, guys who smoke. Sounds like a good shelf to me.

I think that's a great. I love, I love smoked food, by the way. I really do. Yeah, so I think that's a great show. Christine's in charge and FUBU tv, but, you know, we've got the opportunity. So are you far down that track?

Hey, we're going to talk about it. I think I need you to nudge her for me.

I will. I will nudge her. I will nudge her. You may have to wear a Cowboys jersey then.

I'm not going to have the show. You know, contract negotiations ended that quick. That quick.

Okay. Make one more. Not on the show. Would you wear it on any occasion.

So I got a custom made one. I took my mom last year for her 65th birthday. We went to Cowboys game, the home opener. So I got a custom jersey that I have not worn since then and I never will. You got me one time. You missed me last year. Adora.

Okay, well, dang it. All right, well, the show is not contingent on that. I just wanted to see what your buy point was. You know, some people hold, like have a really strong and some are like, whatever, I'll put it on. So that's fun. I know. You're so.

So you wear a Patriots jersey. I'll consider wearing a cowboy.

Oh, you'll consider. I'm not doing it for consideration. It has to be a swap swap. Then it represents world peace. I mean, it could be, oh, I'm leading by going first. But no, I'm not gonna do it there. I'm not gonna do it there.

I don't know. See, I don't even know who my favorite cowboy would be to. To wear a non custom jersey. Like, I don't know. I could wear a custom jersey. I'll wear a custom cowboys jersey.

Okay. Okay.

And my name on the back will be Adora made me do it.

I love that.

There we go.

I love that. It's awesome. Yeah. So Dining Dining Divas, you want to know about the collection of shows that we have as well. So it's been really cool because when we first started, Christine had Dining Divas, the original show out of Florida. And he, you know, has received lots of awards from mayors and different for what she brought to the hospitality industry there. And then Destination Divas kicked off where we started going to different destinations. And that is a total blast. We, Colombia was one of my favorites. New York, we've had so many great experiences.

But you haven't been to the Carolinas. My feelings are hurt, but whatever.

Well, you know, that's because you didn't invite us properly. But so it. The destination ones have been really, really fun. Those went on Travel Channel. And then like I told you, things started really expanding as we were growing and expanding. So before it was WETV and Travel Channel. Now we have the partnership with FUBU TV for us by US tv. And then we're going on to Google, Apple, Prime, Roku, all of that. And we have Dining Divas, Texas, the Florida, Original California, New York, and Destinations. And so each show has its own flair, you know, because there are different leaders and they're amplifying different parts. I look at the Texas as its own character. And so I really agree. I really. It is. Right? And so even though Texas is vast and you can find anything you want here, like most states nowadays, I really play. We really play up in Texas is I'm wearing more cowboy hats and boots than I've worn in my whole life. We're playing up some of the values like faith, family, veterans, American made. You know, even though we could go all over the place, I just think Texas is a great state to represent those kind of things. So in our episodes we've had lots of, you know, good old country boys and pray and women and prayers and we went to one vineyard where they sing the national anthem before they, you know, have their concert at night. So again there's a lot more than that available in Texas but because I don't know of a better state to represent that part of faith family veterans, I'm just really leaning heavy on it. And you know, California is a different vibe. Miami is a different vibe. Destination Diva is a different vibe. What's always in common is it it's the host are business women or they have a non profit they're driven women and we're showing the best of you know, the best of Texas. So it though there's always a great food scene or for usually some dancing sometimes, you know the experiences are different whether it's a helicopter ride, horseback riding, boat, but med spas, that kind of thing. And then we always get to talk with the owners and the creators. How do you create this what and really tell the story of like you. You're bringing out my story. Bring out other people's stories. Really I'm gonna. We're in a world where for me it's really important to align with brand and and the brands are built by people that have some core values and I want to flow my energy and exchange my energy including my money and what I wear and what I with brands that I align with. So it's fun to tell the stories.

I love it. I love it. So I'm put you in the hot chair, ask you a couple of rapid fire questions.

Let me sit up, let me hydrate for my jar.

Hold on, let's go from the mason jar.

The mason jar like my grandma.

Let's go. All right, you ready?

I'm ready.

Can Adora cook?

Oh select. Yes, I can cook. Do I cook a lot?

No.

But can I cook? Yes.

All right, so when Adora cooks what's your go to meal that you're cooking? Like when I come over, what you making?

Oh well hopefully you I'd have a conversation with you first. But my go to favorite, it's going to sound weird. It's sweet potato lasagna. Right. Which is why I would talk to you first.

Yeah, yeah. Sounds interesting.

Surprise.

Sounds confusing and somewhat sounds like it could be a good thing.

It's delicious. My 14 year old daughter, very favorite thing and she's a very picky eater. It's delicious. Okay. But it's different and some people can't get Over. They're eating sweet potatoes, but most people love it or they like.

Okay.

And I think they like.

Does Adora like barbecue?

I. Barbecue is my second favorite food. What's your favorite Middle Eastern food? Okay. Mediterranean. I love the veggies. You know, all the veggie options. I'm a meat eater, but I love great vegetables and so Middle Eastern people do that. Right.

Cool. So my follow up to barbecue then, because only you can answer this question because I know you're going to tell me the truth. You ready?

Yes.

What region has the most overrated barbecue and why is it Texas?

Oh, it is not Texas. It's not Texas. Texas is not. It is not overrated. We have the best barbecue because we do it a lot. We do it all the time. We have a lot of cattle.

Just because you do beef. Okay. You do beef ribs. Okay.

So what, brisket?

Everybody does brisket.

No, everybody.

You just talk about it more.

No, I've had brisket in other places and I've had some. I've had some. Okay. But the sauce, how tender it is.

See, folks like me will tell you when you have to over sauce the meat. Your barbecue skills ain't all that strong. I'm just gonna throw it out there.

Texas, okay. It's on the side, but I love the different flavors.

No, I'm talking to not just you.

I'm talking to all the Texas I know. Have you had a brisket? Baked potato? Like the baked potato with the shred brisket on top. See, then I don't know what you're doing. Go ahead.

It's because I don't like brisket, but it's okay.

Okay, okay. That's okay.

It's okay.

Where do you think the best barbecue is before you throw this next question at me?

The Carolinas. All day long.

Why?

All day. Why? Because we do it right. We understand how to smoke correctly. We understand that you don't need a ton of sauce, that it's all in the rub. Right? Like we do things right in the Carolinas.

We'll see. We'll see. When you have your show, come check it out.

Yeah, we're gonna have a battle of the regions and it's gonna be us versus.

And I know a couple barbecue people here that are really about it, so. Well, that would be great to smoke out.

We'll see. We'll see what happens.

We'll see.

We'll see what happens. Now if you could leave the listeners and viewers with. With one tip on self improvement, leadership, whatever it is, the floor is yours. What's the one tip you're going to leave everybody with today?

Well, number one was given to me by Tony Robbins, which is that constant and never ending improvement. Committing to that. That is wave on wave. I am so grateful. That 20 something year old version of me committed to that is when you're committed to growth and development and really growth, which means you've got to get in different rooms, you got to get around.