How to Progress in Treasury with Kim Masucci

When I've helped interview, say for our leadership program, obviously we do look at those types of things because you don't have a lot else to go on. So then it's more volunteer opportunities and sports and student organizations you're involved in. Most of the resumes I'm looking at now is a little bit more experienced. But also has someone participated in a leadership program? Because those are typically great experiences. I mean a person who has five years of experience can be a real go getter and somebody who has 20 maybe has lost that spark sometimes. Right. So it's just, it's not necessarily years of experience all the time. Right. It's personality and inquisitiveness. And if you feel like that person has a sense of still wanting to learn, that's what's important. I think three things that I did that really helped my career and some of them may not seem like a big deal, but I think they are. I'm particularly introverted person so I don't like to public speak at all. But I would urge people to find an opportunity to speak at work, whether it's, you know, department meeting or a company wide meeting. I know I spoke at some relatively large meetings on different topics and it was very nerve wracking experience. But I got a lot of people contacting me after that. And I think people view you in a different light when you get up and you speak. So that was something that I think is very important to make yourself visible in that way. A second thing would be if you are comfortable in your job, I think you need to move. You absolutely have to always be learning new things and it's easy to get comfortable and to not want to move. I really didn't want to leave treasury at all. I could have stayed in that capital markets job forever. Loved it. But I think moving to FT and A, it was painful, but it was very valuable experience. And then again, I mean you mentioned I've moved a lot of different jobs within treasury. So I think moving, you know, at least every couple years is very important. And then I would also say a third thing is to people are very focused on mentors and I think that's great early in your career, but I have found I have a lot of people I ask for informal advice and that serves as mentorship for me. So I don't have any formal mentoring relationships. I think more important than that is finding people who will champion you, working hard and proving yourself to those people who, you know are sitting at the table and can speak on your behalf. So you know, having people who champion you is what's going to eventually be the key to your getting certain roles.