What has Lee-Ann Perkins experience of remote working been like?

Okay, so the topic of the day post pandemic prior to and, you know, hybrid wasn't even a word. You know, it was about cars and everything else. Then suddenly it's like, are you in office? Are you out of office Remote? What do you do? Well, there you go. They've even turned on the lights for us. Wow. There you go. Now we can't see any of you. Actually, that's much better. Turn them up a bit more. Thank you. So let's talk about remote hybrid for each of you. We'll start with Leanne, and then we'll go to Joel. What's your experiences, particularly to share with the audience about remote and hybrid for you?

Well, I've been remote since March of 2020, and I think we all had that experience when Covid hit and we all suddenly had to go home and work. It was supposed to be for two weeks, mask up and we'll be back in the offices. Turned out to be, you know, three years for some of us. But there was definitely a learning curve when we were all sent home. I didn't necessarily have the IT things at home to help set me up properly. Fortunately had a house big enough to be able to have my own office, but I certainly wasn't equipped to work well at home. But, you know, it took a while, and we all realized that you have to be agile in order to succeed. And we just, you know, we all learned about zoom. We all had to figure out how to install that on our machines and get it to work, how to get a camera to work. You know, we all went through that. You were always on pause on your microphone, but it took a while, but we. We managed. And my company that I was with never went back to the office, so we all stayed at home, and we all just figured out how to do it. There were definitely some difficulties at first where we didn't have boundaries, where you started work at seven and you finished at seven because there was so much to do. There was so much stress in the industry that I was working in. It was oil and gas. So the times were really bad. It was very difficult. So we had a lot of capital market transactions we did from our homes. I remember my boss having to work from his car with this cell phone charger to, you know, help the kids be at home and his wife be at home and work. So we all just did what we had to do to get through. But it was. It was definitely challenging. But in order to make it work, we all shifted our attitudes. We got what we needed. Supply chain was tough, but we all got a microphone and we all got a screen and we just carried on working. And then I think we also just settled into a rhythm. We didn't have to get up and drive for an hour each way to get to work. We just used that time wisely and then you had to learn things like boundaries. So once work was, was done for the day, you shut your door and you move on and you enjoy your evening and start again the next day. So it was definitely a learning curve. But for me it worked out really well. I'm the type of person who likes to wake up really early, get started for the day and then I'm done by like six o' clock, I don't think anymore after that. So it worked out well for me. I was home and I could get on with the rest of my life. But it has also been a time where, you know, I just like to work by myself. I. If you give me something to do and you can consider it done because I'm just going to sit down, work it out and figure it out. I don't necessarily need direction from my boss or a lot of interaction. So I'm the kind of person that I think remote work is, is well suited to and I know they were, there were team members and they were, there were people in, in my office who struggled. They needed that interaction. They more extroverted than me, so they got their energy from other people and I'm not that way inclined. So while I like being, interacting with people and being in teams, it wasn't necessary for me. So I think for my personality and for what I do in treasury, it works out really well.