Change Your Life with Ai + ChatGPT | Big Leap EP#84

Where we make the most progress is by being able to experiment faster, fail faster, and having more choices to choose from. And again, I can consume about 20 to 30 hours worth of content in under an hour and know, you know, again, you get past all the fluff. What do you think of that, Gay Hendricks?

That is pretty awesome. That's amazing. Well, everybody, Gay Hendricks here with a teaser for this episode of the Big Leap podcast. If you're even partly willing to have your mind blown, this one is going to do it for you. Because Mike has been on a real teaching journey lately, teaching people how to use AI and ChatGPT to make their lives better, and has some really specific things that we can all do that open up this area for us. And I, I'm still kind of reel from some of the things we talk about. And so get ready to open your mind to some useful new information. If you're a coach, if you're a healer, if you're an executive, you'll find things that you can do that really will change your life. In this episode about AI.

All right, well, this is Gay Hendricks, and I am very interested in a subject that I can't think of anybody on earth that I'd rather talk to about this subject than Mike Koenigs. So, Mike, I'm going to present a bunch of questions to you and feel free to take them anywhere that you want to take them. So the general subject is artificial intelligence, AI, and particularly the whole set of phenomena now around chat, GPT and other kinds of things like that. And one of the things I've always admired about your mind, it works in a very similar way to mine in that you have a capacity to take very complicated subjects and explain them in a way that makes them extremely practical and useful. And so we have. I mean, there's so much to talk about in this area, but I want to just set the context and saying, I want to find out what's the most useful things we can know at present that would be most useful for coaches and healers. For example, what would be most useful for me as a writer? What would be most useful for me as a general human being with interest in life, love and relationships. How could AI assist me in that whole process? So basically, that's where I want to get started. And I know you've been. I know you were invited to Tony Robbins house to talk to his big group about this subject. And you were to with Peter Diamandis, who has a big, I forget the.

Name of his organization, London 360 and Singularity University. Yeah, all those.

Yeah. And I know you were one of his experts in his recent thing and just got back from Spain where you were talking to a billionaire about how to use AI and his 60 different companies. And so I know you know a lot about it, but start with the basics. Like how's the, How's Chat GPT going to make my life easier, better today as a coach and healer.

Oh, that's great. So I think the place to begin is.

It is your perfect first draft partner. So when you learn a couple basics, which is you learn that how to think in AI, which is a new kind of a language where you're communicating. Imagine a three year old that knows almost everything but remembers almost nothing. So in other words, you have to constantly prod it, instruct it, and tell it what to do. So what it forces you to do is ask great questions. And there's a great Tony Robbins statement, which is the quality of your life is directly proportional to the quality of the questions you ask. And what AI teaches you to do is articulate and communicate.

In a better and more clear way. And it changes your entire mental structure. Okay. So it will inherently make you a better coach, a more empathic listener. It will enable you to get anything you want to get done three to ten times faster, and I would say even hundreds of times faster. But there's another giant takeaway, which is.

What I learned after I started really getting deep with it. And the quick backstory is I started life kind of as a programmer first and foremost, back when I was 14 years old and I was exposed to AI in the late 70s when there was an early programming language called Lisp. So I've always been interested in it. And I played with AI like tools. The problem was.

There wasn't enough processing power, there wasn't all the science, and somehow it just all coalesced about six months ago when ChatGPT was released. And so what you find is once you learn how to talk to it and you learn the language and you learn how to prompt it and do something we call prompt stacking, meaning once you get a response, if you don't like the response, instead of trying to fix it, you tell it what you want changed. Okay, you have it. You, you change up the question, you get more specific, but what you'll find is you will run into your own limitations of a fear of running out of time, running out of money, not having resources, not having the right talent around you. And you realize the only thing limiting you is, is your imagination because it's no longer that of technology, time capabilities, know how or money. Because you can practically bend time and fold time and.

Access just about any wisdom and knowledge. You find out very quickly that the reason you don't have what you think you should have is because you haven't been asking great clarifying questions.

So that's at least a start. And before I answer and go down the most useful ways for coaches, healers and as a writer and as a human being, I can. I'll break it down into some big lessons, but I first want to just see if you have some reflections or thoughts from the. The initial salvo there.

Well, I love the question, refining the question, because that's one of the things we teach. In fact, there's a great quotation from the poet E.E. cummings, and part of it goes. It's always the beautiful question that gets the beautiful answer, you know? Yeah. Just to make the question more beautiful.

Well, so that excites me very much because one of the things I always teach is that, you know, the quality of the questions you ask have everything to do with the healing that takes place too. And so the thing that I get excited about just listening to this first part of your is the idea of people getting trained in how to refine their questions. That's very juicy stuff.

It. It is. It's quite remarkable. And you get these lessons from places you don't expect it as well. So I'm going to answer your question about the most useful things for coaches, healers and as a writer. But I first want to ask you a question because it'll help me create a learning lesson here, a practical, tactical one. So I'd like you to think for a moment, gay of a challenge. Something that either bothers you, frustrates you, is standing in front of you and maybe you've been pushing it off because it's either too hard, requires too much preparation time, maybe you lack the.

The know how the discipline investment doesn't seem worth it, or you need some support and help. But it's. It's kind of been lingering out there like a project you'd love to get done and finish or something you just have like left on the wayside, but it'd be great if it got done.

Does anything come to mind?

The first thing that comes to about I. I would like to be a better bass player. Ah. And I'm not putting in any time playing my bass or.

Or expanding my skills or even keeping up the skills I used to have. So that. That was the first thing that popped into my mind.

I.

Don'T know.

I think the.

There's a place I want to get to in my creativity where it's pure and essential, and I'm creating the most essential things that. That I. That would both fulfill me and make my biggest contribution to the world around me.

Okay.

All right.

So I'm going to give you.

Too many exercises, okay? One of them is something I call time compression. So it's a way to learn and consume an enormous amount of information faster. So, you know, in the case of bass, like any instrument, you just gotta practice. But sometimes there might be some tricks and some tips that if you got exposed to them, it might trigger more desire to do the work. Okay, so I'm gonna give you that one as a little thing. So I'm always looking for shortcuts and unfair advantages. So that's one. And then the other one is when it gets to creativity.

That would be a matter of. I'm going to give you a strategy for capturing your own questions and asking better questions and getting more choices to choose from. In other words, sometimes where we make the most progress is by being able to experiment faster, fail faster, and having more choices to choose from. And our brains, naturally, are good at refining. In other words, if we have three options, we can say that one's better. I'm going to go with that. And, you know, anytime you collaborate or have a creative muse, you can get a lot more done faster, in my experience. Okay, so I'm gonna. I'm gonna give you two concepts that are practical, tactical, that I use AI for right now. And if the first one, which is time bending, time compression, and rapid learning.

And how I managed to consume 20 to 40 hours of content in less than an hour. Right? So I have been finding lately that the best and fastest way to get the most up to date information.

Is on YouTube or on podcasts. I don't trust practically anything from the news. It's just basically garbage and clickbait. And the entire publishing, news media world is, in my opinion, completely broken and corrupt. I don't trust print or reading any longer unless it's coming from a book. But I've found a lot of YouTube content creators who are very good, very articulate, very.

They've got great content. Okay? So as an example, I'm going to pretend, for example, that you would find a couple base player trainers on YouTube, which would be easier in hell to do right now, right? And you could probably subscribe to three or four or five channels, and in there they might Teach you something really good. So I use a tool, it's called Summarize Tech. And what it enables me to do is take a YouTube video, copy the, the share link, paste it into this tool, and, and.

It will.

Immediately produce an entire.

Transcript and summary of everything discussed. Okay. And like I can take a four hour interview and there's one that I had recently, like I follow a podcaster, his name is Lex Friedman and he has really interesting guests on. And one of them is with Stephen Wolfram from Wolfram Alpha. He's a top AI mathematics guy and he just did a four hour interview with this guy. It's like, even at 2x speed, which is as fast as you can consume content on YouTube, that's still two hours. Okay? And I consume a lot of stuff, like when I'm writing my bike or in my car, that's when I consume audio books and so on. But I can paste in the link, press a button, and in less than 5 seconds the entire transcript is, is summarized in, in blocks. And I could read all that, but I don't even have to read it because I can copy that, pop that into chat GPT and say, I want you to summarize the top 10 most important points discussed in this interview. Create a bullet list of all of them and explain each bullet like, I'm five, it's E L, I five. It's, it's like communicating the big idea in the shortest period of time. And your brain can just go boop, boop, boops. In other words, you can consume this. And then finally I add another prompt that says, and I want you to create citations, Create a list of all books, websites and references mentioned in the interview. And literally in a couple of seconds, it'll take that four hours worth of stuff that I initially got from the transcript and give me about a page and a half of the most salient points. Okay.

Wow.

And so what I typically do when I either wake up or at night, I will search for five or 10 or 20 videos that have some relevant data. So right now, this is how I consume all my AI stuff. I'm learning how to program again. I'm learning all sorts of marketing strategies, book writing, storytelling, filmmaking, movie making, technical stuff. And I just open up multiple tabs in my browser. Copy, paste, copy, paste, copy, paste. It's all done. And again, I can consume about 20 to 30 hours with the content in under an hour. And know, you know, again you get past all the fluff. So you can do that and basically craft the prompt around teaching you the technique and strategy discussed in the YouTube interview.

So that's one technique I'm using right now because sometimes just gathering recent information helps you expand your skills and bend time. But I also find it to be incredibly inspirational because the more I'm learning and getting from so many diverse things, the concentration of wisdom and knowledge seems to help you learn even faster and excite you more, which, you know, being in a highly charged emotional state helps with that.

So that's.

That's number one.

Kate, you ready for one more?

That's amazing. I'm just. Yeah, I'm just thinking of all the different ways I could use that. Yes. Let's go on to number two, though. I know we're trying to compress time here today.

Okay? So another one is how to get to a new place in creativity. So right now there are loads and loads of new tools. So I'm going to give you two examples that recently came up. So my son Zach.

Recently called me up and he's in, going to CU Boulder right now, going to college for film and philosophy. And he knows better than to ask for money. But he said, is there some work that I can do for you? And I said, well, as a matter of fact, there's something I've wanted to do for a long time. So I wanted to. I wanted to write a book about interviewing for a long time. I love the art of interviewing. You and I have talked about interviewing before. And.

I said, here's what I want you to do. As long as you're committed and dedicated and you're going to give this some time, I will agree to pay you, but you need to make progress on it right away. And he says, I'm committed. I'll do it today. Okay, great. So I want you to write down these prompts. So the first one I said is, go to ChatGPT and do a search for the top 25.

Radio.

Television and.

Print interviewers, alive and dead. Okay. That was Number one. Number two, search for the top podcast and YouTube inter interviewers. Okay. Top 25. Top 25. So now I've got 50 of them, and they were everyone from Charlie Rose, Terry Gross, Oprah Winfrey, comedians, etc. And then the next four prompts were create a short paragraph about their career. Another one were how they learned how to interview, who their mentors were. And the final question is, create a list of their top 25 best interview questions they've ever asked. Now, what was important about this is I had hadn't ever gone ahead and written that book because I did some research and I actually put out some bids to some people. And it would have taken about four to five months and $60,000 or more just to do that research, because it didn't exist in one place. But because Chat GPT has been trained by reading almost every, every piece of content ever created online. And now it's starting to consume interviews, podcasts, and YouTube content, all that existed. And the time it took to generate all that content was literally just a couple of hours total. And it was mostly the process of copying and pasting that from Chat GPT.

So the Net net is.

We created all the copy and content for that book and created artwork using another tool called Mid Journey in about eight hours. And I've got several other books that I've actually written all of the content inside of like 30 to 60 minutes with this tool. And. And so some people might look at this and go, oh, well, that's terrible that, you know, you're doing all this stuff and it's chatgpt. It's all AI. What happens to the humanity. And the truth is I have to look at it and edit it and also stack the prompts, because if I don't like the way it's written, I tell it what to change. But what's beautiful is in the past, when I've made the fastest progress writing, it's when I create a bunch of bullets and I think about it a lot. And then I will meet with someone because I like having a hard deadline and creativity, loves time compression and constraints. I like to perform my content orally for a listener. And then I'd have that stuff transcribed and then edited. But now I can take out all the steps and get the result that much faster. And so the second part of this. So as a creative muse and a first draft partner, you can literally create the body and content of almost any book, including great stories. It's a great screenplay writer as well, inside of an hour or two, right? And it doesn't take a lot of prompts when you start thinking about your thinking this. The part two of it is.

Once you've got the content. So, for example, another thing that I do is I use Otter AI, which is what we use for transcribing. And I just talk into that and I talk about what I want. And then I will create a prompt. I'll literally copy paste that entire transcript, paste it into Chat GPT with a prompt that says, no, expand upon this transcript and turn it into one, two or three book chapters. But do some And I'll add a couple little ideas. So again, I. It helps me think about my thinking and restructure stuff. And then it'll summarize and twist it and I can say, and open up with a relevant joke, create a mini metaphoric story or a mini hero's journey about this topic, and boom, it expands on it. And when you get your first draft, you can say, now change this and change this, or rewrite this to be more persuasive, more passionate, make it funnier. And you can say in the voice of, you know, pick a comedian. I want you to create a joke in the voice of John.

Of Dan Carlin, and boom, you've got it. And so. Or create three versions and then I can pick the one I like the most. So that's how I've been using it to create that much better. And then when we, after you comment, I'll tell you how a coach or an advisor can use it to get fantastic results.

That is so exciting. I hope you or somebody is writing a little thing, like a little cheat sheet on how to stack your prompts and things.

I have a book and I've got a training and I'll give everyone the link to it when we're done here because I, I'm constantly creating content to, to step by step go through all this. So the answer is big. Yes.

Excellent. Good. Yes. Okay, so drilling in deeper now about how a coach can prosper by using this.

Yes. So one of the things that's super easy to do and, and you, you almost can't believe it until you see it, but I'm going to just pretend that you and I were, let's say you were coaching me. And for real, you coach me. And I come to you for questions. And I recently reached out to you and said, gay, I need some help with a few things. And you said, absolutely, I'm going to help you out. So I'm going to help you help me with the follow up. So here's one of the things that we'll do, and I'll teach you how to coach me even better. Okay, so here's what we would do. Let's say we were meeting on Zoom, or we met in person. I'd come up and visit you for a couple hours up in, up in Ojai, and we'd sit down and I would run my Otter app and start it transcribing, because that, that's in general one of the best ways. There's other tools that are as good, but I click the record Button like I am right now. And this thing will start transcribing in real time and create a document. And you would go through and ask me some questions and we'd oscillate back and forth and Otter knows the difference between your voice and my voice. So it would say gay is gay, Hendrix is speaking, my Koenigs is speaking.

And when it's done, we can take that document, feed it into chat. GPT now has plugins that allow it to read PDF files. Or there's another tool that I use and recommend. It's called Humata. Okay. And Humada AI, which reads documents like you could feed it all of your books, for example, and then you can chat with your books. But in this case, I would say I want you to create a summary of all of the major.

Topics we discussed and summarize all of the agreements and next steps we discussed and create a step by step plan between now and the next meeting we have. Boop. Okay. And it'll do it. And then we could say, I want you to write a follow up email that includes a list of the top 10 items we discussed, the recommendations Gay Hendricks made, and the top three agreements that were made that Mike will complete between now and our next session. Boop. Follow up email. Done. So for guys like you and me who are quick start, collaborative.

In the moment now creators, we'd rather spend all of our time creating and typically, like I'd like to tell people, to me, homework is hell, you know, I never did homework ever. I would either delegate it, bribe someone, figure out a shortcut, or find an elegant way to, oh, we'll just say cheat to get it done because it sucked. And to this day, I don't do homework. I either do it with you, I delegate it, or I say no. It's the way I preserve my reputation. So doing the follow up and doing the contextual and summarizing this stuff is really hard for most people. ChatGPT does an amazing job of it. Now I'm going to give you one more creative idea. But first, any comments, questions, thoughts on that before I give you how you can stack it and make it even more effective?

No, I, I really get it. I mean that's, that's such a. That's going to save so much time and.

Drudgery.

Yes. So here's what I would. What you can do is when that's done, you can say to it. Now, I want you to turn this session into a marketing newsletter piece and do not reveal the individual or their specific challenge. But Create a metaphoric story, open with a joke, and craft a step by step.

Process for solving this problem for someone else. In other words, you just craft a prompt and you could turn that into a newsletter copy or practically anything else, including, and I can demonstrate this for you. You could even turn that into a narrated audio piece. Okay. And I, I will show you something like that and build it for you in real time. So again, any thoughts, questions, comments related to the fact that now you can turn it into marketing content, newsletters, emails, or you name it.

Yeah, I can predict a giant flood of new information. I mean, it's like it, A whole new information age is upon us.

Okay, you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. So what if right now I, I could take and, and let's just do one really fast.

I could copy and paste something that we discussed right now.

But let's create a little story. And what I'm going to do is I'm going to copy and paste the chat that we discuss and I'm going to have it create a little narrative and I'm going to use a tool called 11 Labs to take that script and speak in the voice of a famous dead person.

And it'll blow your mind. Okay.

So why don't, why don't you do this? Why don't you tell me what you just heard and how you would like to use this in a way that excites you and lights you up.

It would be in organizing what I want a client to do.

You know, kind of their homework assignment, but to review what we've come up with and to be very specific about what needs, what the person needs to do.

Great. Easy. So I'm going to copy that now and I'm going to. For anyone who's watching this podcast, I'm actually going to show it off.

I got to make sure I'm looking at the right thing. Okay, so this is my screen right now. And whenever we do podcasts, I'm always running otter in real time. And that was just your little blurb right there. And I'm going to go to ChatGPT right now and I am going to create a new chat and tell it to write in GPT4. And I'm going to say, so that's the blurb. And I'm going to just say.

I want you to Write a short 1 minute script in the voice of.

Steve Jobs.

About.

Conversation.

Gay Hendrix had.

About using AI and ChatGPT to coach.

His clients more.

Effectively. Okay. And.

And I'm gonna just took that. Take that little blurb, which is my question and your response. Okay, I have no idea. And I'm gonna just say open with a brief joke about coaching and AI.

Right, so now it.

And I'm not going to read what it's writing. I'm going to paste it into this tool.

And then we're going to hear it tell the story. Okay, so it's.

There it is.

Almost done, almost done.

Okay, so I'm going to just grab this little thing and it starts with, good evening everyone. And there it is. Now I'm going to go into this app that I have and I've got Steve Jobs selected. I'm going to paste in this script it just wrote, I'm going to tweak the.

Settings a little bit to give it some variability.

And.

Then I'm going to click generate. And you'll. You won't believe how fast this thing produces this audio. And you.

Good evening, everyone. You know, I've always said that computers are like old age coaches. They both remember stuff you've forgotten and remind you about things you'd rather not deal with. LAUGHS But I digress.

I want to share with you a fascinating conversation I recently had with the brilliant psychologist Gay Hendricks. Gay's been exploring the potential of AI, especially a tool called ChatGPT, to take his coaching to a whole new level. Now imagine this. With the aid of AI, Gay's coaching sessions could become more interactive, more dynamic. The AI can help organize a client's tasks, their homework, if you will, and provide clear guidance on what steps to take next. But it goes beyond that. The AI can review what they've achieved, map out their progress and keep them focused on their path to self improvement. What's even more exciting is the potential this holds for every individual seeking to grow, to evolve. The idea of having a personal AI coach available 247 guiding you towards your best self, isn't that incredible? That's what lights me up, what excites me. The endless, endless possibilities that we can achieve through the union of technology and human ambition. Technology alone is not enough. It's technology married with liberal arts, married with the humanities that yields us the result that makes our hearts sing. With AI and coaching, we might just be on the verge of composing a symphony that celebrates the brilliance of the human spirit. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the kind of future we should all be striving for. Thank you.

What do you think of that, G. Hendrick?

That is pretty awesome. That's amazing.

So the only thing that was weird is when the Laugh was in there because it tried to laugh with the voice sample. And all I did, I took a 10 minute speech and uploaded it to train that model. Now if I would have taken more of his content, it sound even more real. But now I could do that in the voice of Tony Robbins. I've got a sample for him. I've got one for, for Peter Diamandis. I have it for myself. And now this technology is so good that you could have it speak all your books and it would be indiscernible from you. And, and you'll hear like, the pacing. So you add a little bit of variability and it will take a moment and pace itself in a meaningful way, depending on how you train it. You know, it follows a cadence that's incredibly normal and natural. It's. It's wild.

Yeah. Whoa.

Yeah.

Properly blown away.

I am. And I'm actually. Yeah, I. It's kind of spun me out. But I remember many times of going into a sweaty little recording studio and reading my book for three days to come out with the audio version. This would save a lot of time.

Yeah, you're. You're right. And I'll give you one tiny thing that Zach did for his. So he's just a sophomore. And there's another tool called Runway ML. It's Runway ML. And right now you can use it to actually make video. So it's. It's text to video. At the moment it's limited to about 30 seconds, but you can have it compose entire scenes with movement and characters. So we are.

Months away right now from having some of the first very high quality, completely AI generated movies. And I mean, you and I right now could sit down and create a screenplay based upon your books. And.

You know, you could use it as a muse, but you could crank out final scripts in a matter of hours that would take months to do. And then you can tell Chat GPT, I want you to act as a movie script punch up editor and work in the voice of. Pick one of the best film editors. Okay? Movie editors. And it will actually look at that script and tweak it as if it were them. So again.

Some people say, well, what's happening to art? And. And I would say, well, you know what? Think about how much more productive you got when you started using a word processor versus a typewriter.

Now there's something to be said about art created with a pen and a paper and a yellow pad. I'll do that. And the, the fear you have of having to type something again. Maybe the intentionality you put into typing with a typewriter. And then.

I think a different caliber of music, a different caliber of everything gets created when there's an improvement in technology. You know, unfortunately, you know, I would argue that a lot of music today is pure unadulterated crap, and it's produced by pure laziness and talentless people who are just grabbing loops. And yet some of these tools have enabled very talented people who otherwise normally wouldn't have been able to try or didn't have the resources. And so this is going to democratize every part of every form of production and creative expression that exists. And, you know, there's going to be. There are ethical considerations for sure. There are huge moral challenges and lots of big things that we can get into in another time. But I choose to look at the bright side of abundance and positivity, and I see this. I welcome it in the same way that the Internet has transformed human communication.

Yeah, well, my mind is going in 13 different directions. Let's do another one sometimes where we get in some of these broader issues. But I appreciate the fact that you've made this first cut at it very practical, and it really excites me. I want to sit down next to you sometime and just see where we can take this thing that.

It'd be my pleasure. And if you want to.

Have a fun challenge, one of the things I'll offer you is if you'd like to actually sit down, create a block of time, and create a creative expression that would not necessarily be a book.

You know, one of the things we could do is do it in two parts where we do, like.

Talk about what we're going to create. And then I could do some of the pre work and then we actually finish it. And it could be, I mean, some of the music that this thing composes right now, like, Google's got some new music compositional resources and tools. It's very impressive. And obviously the synthetic voices, the videos, and this stuff's progressing. Every single week, a couple thousand new apps are being built. And, you know, the speed of all forms of creation is. It's. It's breathtaking. So.

Yeah. All right, well, that's a good place for us to wind up. Today, everybody take a big breath and just.

Absorb all this breathtaking information and make a commitment to learn as much as you want to learn about it in a way that can really make your life better.

With you on that. All right, well, I appreciate this, Gay. You asked great questions. I love doing the fill in the blanks. Let's make this applicable and meaningful because I. I really do think it can be your an incredible muse and a creative partner and. And a huge accelerant. And so, as you can tell, I'm super excited about the possibilities. Potential. And I love the fact that it's actually brought my son and I closer together. And Vivian has been embracing it to help her be more creative and more productive, too.

Fantastic. I can't wait to share all this with Katie. All right. Well, big love and hugs to you. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom for everybody. And as we say, there'll be a lot more to come on this subject in the future. Yes.

There. Wealth. Thanks, Gay.

You're welcome. Thank you, Mike.