A short segment from a Mike Koenigs podcast ("Delegating Tasks you don't Enjoy") where hosts discuss productivity habits and boundaries: treating non-office locations (e.g., hairdresser) as legitimate workspaces when using downtime productively, distinctions between relaxing and working, and an introduction to the idea of tasks versus outcomes. The excerpt emphasizes setting up environments and training others to accept work-in-public norms.
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And I can look at. And then if I want to take some time and just go, I'm just going to chill out and do nothing. I can feel fine about it because I've been super productive. But I do think of, you know, like a great example is if I'm going to go get my hair done, I will bring working because I know I've got two hours. And I remember someone saying to me, well, can't you just relax? And I go, I'm at. So here I am at the hairdresser.
I didn't come to the hairdresser to relax.
Well, I'm like going, if I want to relax, I'm going to go out to dinner with some friends and have a glass of wine and have great food. This is not relaxing. You are working. This is your place of business. And right now this is my place of business. And they went, oh. I go, so that what I need is a setup so that I can work here or I need to go somewhere else. And they're like, anytime now. Then I came in from them out, they had like all set up to do, but I had to train them on it. But I was like going, wait, you're working here? Why is it not okay for me to work here? Okay, so.
So I'm gonna. Here's a short follow up, which is.
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Tasks versus outcomes. Do you make giant lists of tasks or do you focus on outcomes?
Well, the outcome is like, you have to have the task for the outcome.