In this episode of The Draymond Green Show, host Draymond Green brings together former NBA stars Charles Barkley and former teammate Kenny Smith to spar with Shaquille O'Neal about basketball strategy, the value of championship rings, and the role of media pundits. The conversation opens with Draymond asking whether the frequent on‑air arguments ever get too heated, prompting Barkley to admit he enjoys "pissing" Shaq off. Barkley and Kenny argue that Shaq’s dominance stems from his size and athleticism, but they contend that even a player of his caliber needs game‑plan adjustments against different opponents—a point Shaq apparently resists. The dialogue shifts to a broader critique of how commentators like Skip Bayless obsess over rings, often dismissing great players who never won a championship. Barkley emphasizes that basketball is a team sport and that it’s unfair for non‑players to diminish the careers of stars such as Karl Malone, John Stockton, or Patrick Ewing because they lacked a championship ring. Throughout, Draymond acts as a moderator, probing the guests on their views about strategy, legacy, and media narratives. The episode blends light‑hearted banter with substantive commentary on how player size, strategic preparation, and media framing shape public perception of NBA legacies.
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What's up everybody? It's Draymond Green. Make sure you subscribe to the Volumes YouTube channel below so you don't miss any more of this great content going forward. You and Shaq go at each other more than anybody I know. Do y'all ever get to the point of where you like, "Man, that was too much." Like, do y'all ever get to the point where y'all really pissed at each other? 'Cause I know y'all are best of friends, but do y'all ever get to the point to where you like, "Yo, that was too much," or that really pissed you off, or you really pissed him off?
I hope I piss him off. Because, you know, 'cause Dray, what he really don't understand is he's always been the best player and the biggest, baddest dude.
Absolutely.
And what me and Kenny tried to explain to him, and you probably could explain also, like, dude, we ain't more talented than everybody we play against. There's a strategy, there's some techniques and things like that that are really important.
But he's never had to worry about that, Dray, 'cause he's always been the biggest, most athletic guy in the world.
Yeah. And he gets so mad when we try to talk basketball. I says, and me and Kenny argue with him all the time. He like, "Why don't they just get the ball to the big man, let him dominate?" He's like, "Check, nobody's like you and Wilt Chamberlain." There's a strategy.
Like me and Kenny and Draymond Green, we have to have a strategy every night, especially against whoever you're playing against. And he refuses to listen to that. So then he goes, "Well, you didn't win the championship." I said, "You're right. That still don't mean you don't—" We're talking basketball strategy. And I know every time I call him out on his strategy, he gets so pissed.
And I love it. But the thing that I try to get him to understand is, Shaq, we ain't all like you. You've always been the biggest, baddest dude. You're bigger, stronger, faster than everybody you play against. When I play against Bird, McHale, Karl Malone, those three are the best, or Kevin Garnett, like, I have to watch tape and figure out how I'm gonna be successful against this dude.
Mm-hmm.
You know, I mean, I really have to think. I says, I'm gonna be 6'5" every day. When I'm playing against 6'9" Bird, I got to try to figure out how to attack him or stop him. So, "McHale, he's 7 feet tall. I just can't post a 7-foot guy up." Karl Malone, Kevin Garnett. I mean, when I'm playing, and he refuses to understand that there's any strategy in basketball. And you as a player who survives on smart, like you gonna have to have a game plan against a lot of guys.
Absolutely.
And that's one of the reasons you've been successful. But he refuses to believe there's any strategy in basketball. So it makes me mad. And then I, so I'll go at him, I says, "You just don't know anything about basketball." Then he gets mad. Which makes me laugh more inside. And Kenny's poking me under the table like, "Get him, get him." And then, so I know when I get him, "You don't win anything." I'm like, "Yeah, I know, but we're talking basketball strategy." So it's fun for me to rile him up, but I wish that he would sit back and says, "Oh, maybe there is a strategy." But we all live in our own existence. Absolutely.
Like, he's never like, "I need to have a strategy against Stanley Roberts, Dikembe Mutombo, Rick Smith, Patrick Ewing." Like, probably the only big guy who schooled him was probably Hakeem.
Yeah.
And then once he became the full force he became, like, he was pretty much unstoppable. But he has always been the biggest, baddest dude. So he refused to believe there's any strategy in basketball. And I just laughed my ass off because like, yo man, you do know there's actually a strategy in basketball depending on who you playing against. But because of how great he was, he doesn't care.
Yeah.
Yeah, so anytime I can get his blood pressure up, I love it.
When he hits you with the G14 classification or you don't got ring, does that ever irk you? And what do you make of what people make of rings? Because in some cases, I think, you know, they can be overvalued sometimes for certain guys. Like certain guys, you didn't really contribute to get in that ring, but you got the ring, great.
Yeah.
In some cases, it does matter.
But I don't get mad. Listen, and I'm not sensitive or whatever. If people want, I'm trying to figure out, just because a couple jackasses on television like Skip Bayless, who I hate more than life itself, starts talking about who won and who didn't won, a guy who never played, and now they're making a great living doing that. But what bothers me about that is basketball's not an individual sport.
Absolutely.
Like, to go on television and talk about, just because it makes great TV, like, wait, dude, basketball's a team game. You're making a great living because it's easy for people to attack certain guys, the stars, stars. You know, they don't, 'cause I used to, I'll tell this, I said this, Nobody ever says, "Hey man, Mark West didn't win the championship." You know, Kevin Johnson, too, a great teammate. Nobody ever said Dan Martin didn't win. But you get a guy like Skip Bayless on television, who's got a radio show and a following, he picks shots about certain guys who were great players who didn't win the championship, and he's made a great living doing it.
Mm-hmm.
But my thing has always been, Wait, it's not, y'all do know it's a team game, right?
So that's the only time I get mad when guys who've never played the game talk about who hasn't won anything. And listen, and the point you said earlier, a couple seconds ago, like, I don't even get mad at guys who can't play dead who get rings. Yeah. Good for them. But I don't want guys walking around talking about, "The dude never won anything." Like, yo, man, you didn't even play in the game. I mean, like, you can say to yourself, "Oh, I was a big part of the Warriors winning." Like—
Mm-hmm.
But if some guy came at me who didn't even get in the game, Talking about he won the championship. I'm like, yo, man, you really, you crossing a line right now. But that's the only time.
But I get offended when guys who've never played, who are making a lot of money, talk about, well, he never won anything. Like, well, number one, you never played. Let's get that out the way. But to attack guys who are great at their sport, and there's a lot of guys who are great. I mean, you look at Karl was great. John Stockton was great. Patrick Ewing was great. They just never played on the best team. But to minimize what they did because it makes good internet, you know, they were on Matt Stafford before he got one this year. Wait, did Matt Stafford get better? No, he went to a better team.
He did go to a better team.
He went to a better team. I mean, he never won a playoff game in Detroit. He went to championship. Now what, all of a sudden he's a great, great player? I wish him nothing but the best. But he went to a great team. But you know, that, that was the narrative when the year started. He's not that good. He's not that good. Now he won. Like, okay, now they go to the next guy. So it's probably gonna be probably, I think Josh Allen, who's great, probably got a couple more years. It's gonna be tricky on Pat Mahomes. They gonna turn against him. They've already started. Are turning against him. They've turned against Aaron Rodgers. So if you get one, then you get like, you get him off your back for a minute. They're like, "Well, he only won one." You know, so I just kind of sit back and laugh when guys who've actually never strapped them up make money talking about who never won anything.
