Draymond Green apologizes to Jordan Poole & reacts to Scottie Pippen's wild take about MJ & LeBron

Like, I feel like he crying out and saying what he really crying out for and about. Like, make that happen, man. Like, somebody get MJ and Scottie together because if he feel like he need that, like—

It ain't gonna happen, bro.

What's up everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show with my dawg BD. What's happening, my brother?

What's up, my dawg?

Just chilling, bro. Before we get into this episode, subscribe to the Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis. So you don't miss any episodes.

That's right. Follow the show on all social media platforms @DraymondShow so you don't miss none of the announcements. Now we gotta start with the tweet, bro. After the Washington Wizards game, Jordan Poole said, I love those guys over there. I love most of those guys over there. And then you respond with a tweet that says—

I really am sorry.

I really am sorry. Why did you respond to that?

I responded because, you know, like, it's been 3 years. Like, let's move on, you know?

Where's the love?

We moved on. Like, we're supposed to move on, man. I really am sorry. Like, you know, it was that— I think that statement was kind of like, it was kind of like it was looking for some sympathy. You know what I'm saying? Like, they kind of keep wanting to make me out to be the bad guy. Move on, bro. Like, it is what it is. I'm sorry. Like, I shouldn't have punched him. But you know, it happened. Like, let's move on, man. I even apologized to his parents. 'Cause you know, I got, his dad popped off one time on the internet. And I went back at him because it was just like, bro, why you popping off? And I actually didn't like myself for it because I wasn't even on that. You know what I'm saying? I was like, I kind of let him get me off my square a little bit because I've said what I said about it. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I kind of go back and forth.

It's over, bro.

Yeah, bro.

It's over.

You know, I be kind of going back and forth with this on like, I'll be kind of in between on certain days. Like, yo, I know I was wrong, but you can't call a man a B-word and push him and not get hit either. You know what I'm saying?

Right.

So I kind of like— That's a cold word. You know what I'm saying? I kind of sit in both of those spaces sometimes. And like, the reality is the answer is probably somewhere in the middle, right? Like, I shouldn't have knocked him out like that. If anything, I should have hemmed him up. Kind of was just a natural reaction. So the reality is like, I probably should have hemmed him up or something like that. Yeah. And so that's the problem. After the fact.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, after the fact. I mean, there's a lot of things you can do after the fact, right? You can think about it and say what you did wrong. But in that moment, like, man, we done seen plenty of teammates square off and like, you know, fight. So it's it, I mean, you know, seeing fights in the league, you know, it's a whole, it's a whole YouTube highlight of just people, you know, getting down and thumping, you know, and it happens.

It does.

It happens. It happens in practice when you competitive, you have that competitive spirit. But at this point, you know, I really am sorry is another public apology to just move on. Like, okay. I get it, you know, I get how Jordan Poole feel, okay? You know, he gonna love some of the dudes and he not, right? But that's fine too, you know? But it's over. It's over.

No, ain't gotta announce it. It's over. I think the whole world know.

Yeah, you don't wanna tie to your legacy. Like, it's not a legacy thing. This is not a part of like, the legacy, you know? That part. This is more so like some sidecar shit that's just a part of like that part. The brand.

You know what I'm saying? It's just a part of the brand. But like, I think for him though, like you kind of bringing that back up on yourself, you know what I'm saying? Like when you do that, you just bring back that moment up on yourself, you know what I'm saying?

Right.

You just kind of gotta move on and just keep it pushing, man.

Yeah, you gotta let it go. At some point you gotta, you gotta, he gotta let it go so he can get back to being who he is.

That part.

You know, that's, yeah.

So.

And that's all it is.

That's it.

But anyway, moving right along. What's up, Dub Nation? We gotta talk about this calf. How you feeling, boss?

Man, I'm feeling solid, bro. You know, I keep, it's, it's getting, it's gotten better each day. To have it near my eye. I got a little small tear that I think of.

That's tough.

It should heal pretty fast. Some are pretty fast healers. So it's getting better. It's getting better each day. It's crazy 'cause it's the same calf that I had the problem with from the back thing. But I knew right away, soon as I walked to the sideline, I told Steve like, it's like, it's my calf.

That's tough, right?

Like, it's my calf. Like, and then I told Rick in the back, I'm like, I'm very confident that it's my calf and it's not coming from my back though. Like, it feel like a calf injury or like a muscle injury. You know what I'm saying? And so, It's not as sore as it was. It's not really sore at all. Like it just hurt on like certain steps with movement, you know what I'm saying? And stuff like that. But it ain't, it's not like, it's not really sore in that way. So, you know.

But you gotta be careful.

Facts. You know, them calves ain't nothing to play with.

Yeah, that's, I had a, I was playing in the G League. I was having my best game. Come down, pop, pop. Oh, fade away, come down on my calf, tear my calf. It's over. I said, I'm not coming back. That was it. Right? That was it, you know? 'Cause every time I kept trying to come back, it was never, we play on our toes and on the ball of our feet. And so a lot of like our power and force is all about leverage. That's a fact. And jumping, right? Right, so you know, that's calf work, Achilles work, you know, good quad work. So, you know, you have to be careful when them little tears, and people don't understand this, like a little tear is, that hurts when you trying to explode. So we wish you well, man. We want you to get back. I appreciate it. Take your time, take your time. We need you on the court. Also the Warriors, they have the Sacramento Kings up next. Uh, tonight, are you surprised how the Kings have responded to Doug Christie leading the charge?

I'm not very surprised because I felt like, uh, Mike B just kind of lost the guys. And I think a large part of him losing the guys was the amount they were practicing. Um, and so I think, you know, just a lot of guys kind of start feeling a way about that. And so, you know, they got talent. That's the same team that took us to Game 7 a couple years ago, but added DeMar DeRozan. Like, obviously that should help. And so I'm not surprised at all. Knowing what they're capable of. And I think Doug has probably made those small fixes with practice and, you know, more Malik Monk minutes, you know.

Right.

The whole six-man thing is cool, but all of a sudden, We down, we need to get our best guns on the floor. You know, so I think he's just done some things that—

Minor tweaks.

Yeah, minor tweaks that was right there within, right there in their face. And, but most importantly, you got guys playing hard for you. And that is, that is the challenge in the NBA as a coach, just to make sure you got guys coming outta playing hard. And you, when, when you got guys look like they playing for you, that go a long way. So Doug, keep it up and he gonna find himself with a job moving forward. Not just an interim coach of the, Sacramento Kings, because one thing's for certain, he's put the time in. When it comes to that organization, Doug Christie has put the time in just about probably more than anyone involved in that organization.

Anybody, yeah.

Including the ownership group. So, you know, he keep winning and doing what he's doing, he gonna have him a job moving forward and it'll be well deserved.

I like to see that. And what you said about practice, Right? Sometimes you can be a good team, but you can practice too much.

Yeah.

So when the game come, you start to play like you practice. And you know, there's a fine line to walk as a coach and also a fine line of stubbornness, right?

Got it.

When you got a team like that, because sometimes you don't need to practice that much and guys need to just keep getting in shape. Keep getting their rhythm, keep getting their flow. But if they have to wake up and think about practice, that's what the whole Iris and practice, practice. But you gotta understand, waking up and thinking about practice, right? You not thinking about the game, you thinking about the practice after the game, if you gonna get a day off. You know, it messes with the team psyche. And so unblocking that.

Yeah.

Automatically your vets, they gonna start showing up more.

That part.

Then putting your best players on the floor, right? When that is, that's the most obvious thing. And so shout out to Doug, you know, like you said, he's been with the Sacramento Kings from damn near since I've been in the league. You know, a tough competitor, smart, was always versatile. But he stuck with that organization through thick and thin.

Yes, sir.

And for him to have that opportunity to do that, you know, he's a fierce competitor, he's smart, he's knowledgeable. And when you got buy-in from, you know, DeRozan and Fox, right? We have Fox on the show. You know, you see a different kind of swagger about 'em all. So, you know, as long as he allowed that to happen, I think that's gonna be clutch. But I also wanna ask you about, you know, the difference in the coach, right? Mike Brown, excellent guy, great coach. But in time, usually in times like these, you see teams respond.

Yeah.

Right, to new coaches. Just talk about being in the league and seeing that, you know, also not having that, right? Having that stability, what that means as well.

Yeah, nah, for sure. It's crazy because I always tell people like, I am, I've been very fortunate in my career to be here for 13 years because I am a, like, I am not one that's keen to change. Like, I do not like change at all. I keep my stuff the same. And, uh.

Right.

And so to not have to go through that throughout the course of my career where guys, you got some guys that, got a coach every other year or two, I feel like I would struggle with that a lot. You know, even if it's team to team every other year, like I struggle with that because I just don't adjust to change well. And so—

Right.

To have like, this is the thing that you do the most, this is the thing in your life that you end up having to put, spend so much energy and focus on. That to have to make that adjustment every year drive me crazy.

And— Right.

And so I'm very fortunate that I haven't had to deal with that. But when you look around the league, the teams that have the consistency are usually the teams that do best. And the bad organizations that's switching coaches every year, every other year, it usually don't work, you know? And the proof in the pudding is right there in your face. And so, You know, if you even look at teams around the NFL that has had success, Steelers coach, same for many years. Andy Reid in Kansas City, been there for many years. Bill Belichick was with the Patriots for many years. You know, when you look at the coaches that have done well, they've been there for many years. And so as players, we need that consistency. Like you don't wanna be adjusted to a different playbook, a different set of coaches. A different philosophy every other year or two. And so I think, you know, when, uh, for the guys in SAC, it's kind of like that happy medium, whereas you got a different coach, but Doug has been there. And if I'm not mistaken, Doug was there even before Mike Brown got there on the coaching staff that was there prior to Mike Brown getting there, if I'm not mistaken.

And so— I do believe that.

You know, that is still a level of consistency for them. It's a consistent voice that those guys have heard for years. And it's not like it's just some huge change, foreign change, that a voice that they haven't been hearing for many years. And so it makes a huge difference, man, having that consistency. And like I said, I speak about that from experience. I haven't had to deal with much change. I've changed coaches one time in my 13 years. Yeah.

Yeah, that makes sense. And then talk about like those minor adjustments, 'cause in that change it was a couple adjustments. And now, you know, people give credit to Mike, Mark Jackson about the foundation he laid. When the coaching changeover happened, that's when the Warriors took off. And, you know, talk about minor tweaks, right? How that, how you can fix that Rubik's Cube and get all the colors working and the patterns right, you have something special. And I think, you know, I want you to talk about that as far as coaching, 'cause, you know, being with Kerr, winning championships, you know, your loyalty, right? And just having that brain trust with that dude as well.

For sure. So even if you look at like some of the minor changes that'll happen, And we've been speaking about the Kings. So in their, in their, in their space, like I said, starting Malik Monk, getting Keon Ellis more minutes, putting more trust in here, giving him more confidence, more consistent minutes that he's getting, right? Like that's one of the big changes for them. Moving Monk into the starting lineup, that's one of the big changes for them. For us, when we switched coaches, we were, you know, we had, went to the playoffs 2 years in a row. And some of the tweaks that Steve brought in, like Mark Jackson did do a great job of laying the foundation, but just when Steve came in, the offensive changes that he made was everything for us.

Right.

Like our defense was really, really great and they had got that to an incredible place. But the offensive changes that Steve brought in, the ball movement and player movement and you know, our offense was a lot more stagnant before Steve came. And so I think just him making those changes, That changed everything because it unlocked a lot of stuff for us. It unlocked the floor for us. And so, you know, you have philosophical changes like that, you know, where Steve come in with some principles of the triangle, but not quite running the triangle, you know?

Right.

And I think, you know, so that was kind of our changes. And then obviously when Steve came in, I also became a starter. You know, so that was a huge change.

It unlocked your potential.

It unlocked my potential and it also unlocked just different things about our offense. Like I play different than D. Lee, you know what I'm saying? And so it just unlocked some different things in our offense that really allowed us to take off.

Yeah, agreed. Bulls and Lakers are following the Kings. Honestly, I think we should beat the Bulls. Shout out to my boy Lonzo Ball back on the court. We gotta get him on the show, but I want to talk about about the Lakers, specifically Anthony Davis. How tough is this to slow down a player like AD? You know, we know he's had an MVP, he was an MVP candidate earlier in the season, definitely an All-Star. But I want you to just talk about like the Warriors-Lakers, Draymond Green-AD matchup, 'cause that's always the most critical matchup. In this series?

Yeah, um, well, I mean, we gotta beat the Bulls. We've been struggling, uh, right? And even the games that we think we're supposed to win, we've been struggling in. So we can't overlook anybody. And then also, when you're coming off a back-to-back, that's always a tough game. I don't care who you're playing against. And we will be coming back home on a back-to-back, uh, headed back from Sac. So, you know, you got to take all of that stuff into account. Nonetheless, you got to go win the game. I don't give a hell— I give a damn what's going on or what the circumstances The chances are you gotta go win the game. And so that will be our focus. But move, look, you know, just even looking ahead past that one to the Lakers at the end of the week. AD is tough, man. AD one of those guys. It's funny because when AD first came into the league, AD averaged 20 points with no sets ran for him. And so he's one of those guys that he can just get it within the flow. You don't even have to feature him. He's still gonna be getting it. Right. Obviously they feature him quite a ton. And, you know, AD is, you know, he can put the ball on the floor, his post game is, you know, got great touch around the rim, his middie, shooting the 3 better this year. You know, so AD's a tough cover, man. He's a tough cover. Most guys, you're either too slow and he puts you in space, or you're too small and he puts you down on the block. Obviously we know what he's capable of defensively as well. I wish I would be out there for that game. You always love playing against the greats, because you know, man, like, just when you get to have the opportunity to play against the AD or play against LeBron, like those caliber guys, they bring the best outta you.

'Cause you know if you don't— Raise the level.

You gonna go out there, you gonna get embarrassed. And so I'm pissed to miss this one. You know, I had a lot of battles, I've had a lot of battles with AD.

Yeah.

It's always fun. Like I said, it require you to, be on top of your game. 'Cause you come in there half-stepping and sleepwalking, it's gonna be a long night. And with guys like that, you gotta do your work early 'cause you let them get off to a great start. You trying to put out a fire for the rest of the night.

Yep.

It's tough. It's tough.

It's tough.

Speaking of those guys, Bron just said that they don't have much room for error. On a nightly basis the way their roster is constructed. And I know a lot of people was like, "Oh, Bron calling out Rob Pelinka right there." Which I didn't take that as a serious call out. Like, just don't got much room for error.

He is, he is.

You think they need to make a move though?

Yeah, okay, let me put my basketball hat on. If I was a part of the Lakers, LeBron James needs to be the point guard. Hmm, interesting. That's an interesting— AD needs to be the person that is highly featured in the offense and roam free. It will release Austin Reeves, right? Playing LeBron at the point at this point in his career, he's a great passer, he make great decisions and you not tiring him out. So he really going from free throw line extended to free throw line extended and long rebounds, pushes on the break, things like that. He'll be able to create this fat— like the Lakers don't get enough fast break points. So the way they roster is constructed, it don't matter who they go get, they are going to struggle Right. Because they're always looking for the versatile 3-4. You had Cam Reddish, you had Vanderbilt, you had Christian Woods, you had all, you know, you have all these guys, but I think really they all play the same position LeBron play, and that's that 3-4 swing. So if you take LeBron out of that 3-4, right, and put him at the point, then it'll allow those dudes to have the— you'll figure out which one of those dudes had the ability to step up and fill in that 3, that 4, you know, when AD go to the 5. And, uh, I think, um, I still didn't take it, but I felt like I just helped the Lakers. Yeah, I felt like I just helped the Lakers. Uh, my boy JJ Redick, if he want me on the staff, that's cool, but You know, I'm better just watching on TV and giving suggestions.

Lot of film watching to be on that staff, man. Lot of film watching. Let's go around the league a little bit. We gonna move around the association a bit. Russ is playing great in Denver, man. He's 15-5 as a starter. Two of those losses came versus elite teams without Joker. What do you think about Russ's, yeah, Bruin resurgence this year and really just with the opportunity he's been given? Because the reality is he's always played this great when he's had that, been in that position with that opportunity. But what do you think about just the way he's bouncing back this year?

One, resiliency. When you think of Russ, you just think of resiliency. Always, he will figure it out. Once he figures it out, he know, once he's able to play Russell Westbrook basketball within the confines of the team, he's always positive. It's always a positive outcome. Yeah. And so having somebody like Joker is the perfect match for him, right? 'Cause he loves dishing and rewarding the big guy. And he's never had a center that plays point guard that allows him to do what he's great at. Backdoor cuts, get on the offensive glass, right? All the little, all those little things from a point guard perspective put so much pressure on the defense.

That's fact.

Right? 'Cause like imagine you playing Joker out on the 5, Shaq, he shoot a 3, he can just shoot a 3 just to shoot one. It's Russ down there.

Right.

He is a bona fide rebounder, right? And he's a force in the inside. So when you look at backdoor layups, passing, cutting, coming off a pick and roll, getting in the middle of the lane, even if Russ is missing, you got Joker there tipping it in. So, you know, and playing above, playing above the glass. So I think that for Russ, perfect fit, right? For Denver, they found their elevated version of Bruce Brown. Yeah. That's a fact. And that's what they missed. I said that. I said that's what they missed last year. They don't have that dog that can just go and, you know, make some shit happen. You know, outside of Joker, outside of Jamal Murray, they don't have that idol part. They don't have that idol, person and playmaker. Now you got that with Russ and he connected with Joker, man, they gonna be serious in the playoffs. I know that.

Yeah, yeah, no, they are for sure. I don't think anybody gonna wanna see them during the playoffs with the way Russ playing. I mean, Russ is playing so well that they've had, like they're bringing Aaron Gordon off the bench and Aaron Gordon was having a career year shooting the ball at an extreme clip. And they're bringing him off the bench because Russ is playing so well and their team has played so well with Russ in the starting lineup.

So— Yeah, they back to being versatile, right? They back to being versatile and that's what they needed. Recently, Jalen Williams said there need to be a third team, a third All-Defensive Team and two Defensive Player of the Year awards. What is your reaction to 2 Player of the Years? I know when I go to the International Players Ball, right? You can't have 2 players of the year. You know what I mean? You gotta have a player of the year.

So check this out. I can agree with him. I'm cool with the third team, you know, third All-Defensive Team. That makes sense. That makes sense. You got 3 All-NBA teams. Why wouldn't you have 3 All-Defensive Teams? Defensive teams. I'm cool with that. I'm rocking with that 100%. The second the two DPOY awards are there, two MVP awards? No, there's not. So I don't understand that. I get what he was getting at, which is—

I understand too.

There should be one for the guards and one for the bigs, or one for like the— There should be a different— —shot blocker. Defensive— And like lockdown award.

Yeah.

Something like that.

There should be— Yes. Lockdown award.

Like I see what he getting at and I understand what he's trying to say. Didn't quite come out the right way. And so, which means it's not very accurate. Like one, one is totally fine, but you know.

You can't have, you can't have two player of the years, baby.

You know what he also should have said, BD? What he should have, I think what, what the Battle Cry should be more of is just like who's actually voting. Because again, you can't, the award can't go to someone every year and then a week later you can't play in a playoff series. Like, that don't work. And so— Right. Right. I think the argument has to be voting process or who actually is doing the voting. Not quite there's two awards. That just can't happen. I get what he getting at. No, sir. That don't work.

Yeah, I think it should be another defensive award that is of equal value to Defensive Player of the Year Award. Yeah. Right? Because you have often, you know, you got MIP, Offensive Player of the Year, MVP. MVP is an offensive category.

Mm-hmm.

It is not a defensive category. So having something, you know, of that stature, right? Even if it's elevated from Defensive Player of the Year, 'cause usually that goes to big guys, right? Yeah. Or shot blockers, somebody who led the league in blocked shots. But that don't mean that they don't get dunked on. That don't mean that they don't get, you know, I don't know, Defensive Player of the Year to me means you lock everybody up.

Yeah, and teams trying to get away from you. You know, like when they, when offensively, the things that they're doing to try to take a scorer out of the game, they need to be doing to you defensively. To try to take you out the game. And if they putting you in action, that's a problem.

That's a problem. I mean, when you go back and just look at a lot of the previous Defensive Player of the Year, like they had to be on the floor. Absolutely.

You know.

Or it don't work.

They had to, or it ain't working.

Yeah.

They were the anchors. When I showed up to Detroit and saw Ben Wallace there with that afro, bro, When he had the afro shooting up like that, I'm like, "All right, I see what he on." You know what I'm saying? I know what Big Ben on. Or you show up to, you know, a Boston or Memphis and you running into Tony Allen. You know what I'm saying? Like, Tony Allen checking you up soon as you put your feet on the mat.

Yeah, for sure.

Right? It's a personality, it's an energy, but it's also, Like, those dudes made it hard every single night, and they had to be on the floor. Absolutely right. You know, not— that's it.

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Man, uh, we starting a new segment, uh, where we gonna give some flowers to some underrated guys, uh, the guys that deserve to shine. That don't quite get the glory for what they doing. And this week's player spotlight is Atlanta Hawks own young fella, Jalen Johnson. 19 points, 10 rebounds, shooting 50%.

Come on.

And has been pivotal for the Atlanta Hawks resurgence. Team that everybody counted out, thought they'd be fired selling Trae, and Trae has turned it around. I see Trae been checking this year. Draymond Green playing good basketball, Draymond Green playing team basketball, he leading them young guys and they having an unexpected year. So this week we got the young fella Jalen Johnson. And my question to you is, is he the most improved player this year? If not, who is?

I'm rolling. I think he is. He the perfect complement to Trae Young. When you look at his versatility, you know, 19 points, 10 rebounds, 50% shooting from the field, you know, in, in, uh, inside on the offensive glass, you know, fast breaks, 3-pointer highlights. Talking about somebody who made that leap, he took it upon himself to be that guy. What John Collins, you know, what John Collins was, was for Trae Young, he's that and elevated.

Absolutely.

Right. And he gives them a certain versatility where he can guard almost 1 through 5 with the way that they play and the way he handles the ball, the way he is a playmaker, it opens up a lot for Trae to be off the ball and be more potent in the offense. Talking about somebody who has improved a team and also improved himself, uh, Jalen Johnson has put himself right in the category where he's that number 2 guy.

Yep.

In Atlanta.

I love it. I think he playing great basketball and I definitely think he the most improved player, um, just with the leaps he've taken. I can stamp that one for sure. Most definitely.

Also, I have to say, uh, If he don't get it, close second.

The brewing, it's brewing, brother.

It's coming out. I knew it, I knew it. You know I'm going with Stormin' Norman, right? Less is more, Norman Powell. One, I wanna see him make the All-Star Game. If he makes this All-Star Game, he is definitely most improved player. Talk about somebody, you know, having him on the show, just his level of improvement. Getting a chance and taking full advantage of that chance, you gotta put Jalen Johnson and Norman Powell right there.

Most definitely. I think Norm's having a great year. I hope to see him be an All-Star. It's tough. It's a numbers game and it's always tough, especially to get your first one. But Norm has definitely improved, man. Since he first came into the league, he was a non-shooter and now that's what he do, you know? And so— Right. Just to make that jump in itself is incredible. So, you know, I think, I think ultimately he will get a nod and end up in an All-Star Game, whether it's getting a nod originally or someone gets hurt and he gets a nod. But I definitely think Storm and Norman Powell should and will get an All-Star nod. Most improved player, I will go with Jalen Johnson just because, you know, Norm— Just the level.

Exactly. Yeah, just the level.

Like the level that the young fella's going, but also Norm is like taking more advantage of an opportunity. You know what I'm saying? Like we knew coming off the bench, Norm was getting buckets. You know what I'm saying? Like we knew Norm was capable of getting the buckets. I think he's just stepped into more of an opportunity, more of a role with the opportunity being there and just taking advantage of it. I'm not sure I can go most improved because Norm been—

I get it. I get it.

So that's my only thing with Norm with that, but he's definitely deserving of being an All-Star for sure. 100%.

Let's go. Let's go, Bruins. 4 is up. Recently, Scottie Pippen says he wins 6 rings without Michael Jordan. This is water. You know, that's when you tell your friends, man, take a shot.

What's wrong with Scottie, man? Somebody gotta check on Scottie, man. I grew up watching them teams, man. I'm a big Scottie fan. Scottie, I don't know what Scottie going through, man, but I send my love because Nah, I'm deadass, man, because you start making comments like Scottie been making lately, and people start to remember you for those comments and not necessarily for being Scottie Pippen. And I don't like that. You know what I'm saying? Like, people try to downplay who you are and what you've done because of the comments you made lately. And I just don't wanna see people doing that to Scottie because Scottie is for damn sure Scottie. And that's why I say, man, I just want to make sure Scottie good, man. Because saying stuff like that, like he said him and Michael Jordan, they never sat down for dinner. Like, to me, it sound like it's coming from a place of pain. You know what I'm saying? Like MJ, he feeling like MJ kind of never maybe showing him the love that he ultimately think MJ should show. And he's like outwardly looking for that and saying things to downplay it as opposed to just saying like— Yeah. Like I feel like he kind of said it like, man, me and Michael Jordan ain't never had sat down, sit down and had dinner one-on-one. Like I feel like he crying out and saying what he really crying out for and about. And like make that happen, man. Like somebody get MJ and Scottie together because if he feel like he need that, like—

It ain't gonna happen, bro.

Hey, no, deadass though, BD, check this out. Check this out. Hey, bro. Hey, bro. Check this out.

It ain't gonna happen.

Check this out.

I don't think it's gonna happen.

I'm not saying I'm Scottie Pippen. It ain't happening now. I'm not saying I'm Scottie Pippen.

Pippen.

But what I am saying is, if somewhere down the line, 20 years from now, I want to have dinner with Steph Curry, I will hope that I can have dinner with Steph Curry. You know what I'm saying?

Like, that's different with all that you've been through with somebody.

Like, you go through these journeys of winning championships, them shit's not easy. And yeah, to go on those journeys and not even be able to sit down and have dinner, like, I feel like that's Scottie's outcry.

And so But Michael Jordan don't need dinner.

Michael Jordan do eat dinner, man.

The Black Cat, man. We ain't never heard about Michael Jordan having dinner with nobody.

And that's fine, but he also ain't want— like, it's Mike and Scottie, man. Like, and it don't matter if he had a dinner with anybody else, it's Scottie, man. He need that.

I know. No, he do.

Scottie need that, man. Scottie crying out for that.

He is crying out for that, but you know, shout out to Michael Jordan, right?

Of course.

Michael Jordan don't give a fly. He ain't tripping at all.

Of course he not.

You feel me? Hey, Michael Jordan is not tripping, okay? Huh? Who? What? Dinner?

Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? I wonder why he didn't go to dinner with Scottie. It's all making sense now when you look at the whole picture. It's all making sense now though.

Man, I'm here to hoop. Michael Jordan was like, "I am here to hoop. I do my job. I'm here to do my job. I'm not here to be friends with you. I'm not here to be friends with you." On this court, oh man, we family. I love y'all.

Scottie Pippen.

And to Michael Jordan's defense, every time he speaks in an interview, he always say Scottie.

Yeah, he does.

Michael Jordan don't never say Michael Jordan without saying Scottie Pippen.

That's a fact.

Michael Jordan always say Scottie, bro.

He always say—

But Scottie always did it. Okay, I get it. He should. Michael Jordan, if you hear me, If you can hear me now, please, bro, go sit down with your dog. You know what I mean? Y'all chop it up. We need to see a Michael Jordan. Maybe we can do a Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen interview, right? 'Cause—

Right here on the Draymond Green, The Baron Davis Show.

Right?

Come on. Come on, Michael Jordan. Come on, Michael Jordan. Look, I got my ball head just like Mike. I know, hey, I know how Mike feel 'cause when I cut my hair off, No, I don't wanna have dinner. So these are ballhead thoughts.

These are ballhead thoughts. Mike.

Dude.

Black Cat.

Yo, Mike.

MJ.

But Scottie Pippen is a legend, bro. He's a legend. Pip needs you.

Pip needs you, man.

But we gotta do a better, I say this, we gotta do a better job of talking about how great Scottie Pippen was.

For sure, but he ain't gonna get it doing this dumb shit.

No, he gotta chill. Let us do the talking. Let us do the comparing Scottie Pippen to different people.

That man said LeBron James chase his ring. I got my, like bro, you not gonna say you better than LeBron. Come on, Scottie. That's not the way to get people to say you better. That's crazy.

This is what I do say. LeBron is more of a combination of Magic Johnson and Scottie Pippen than he is compared to Michael Jordan.

And that's fine, but he's a combination of Scottie and Magic, which means he— Scottie stopped.

Yeah. Scottie just said, "I'm better than LeBron." Maybe he didn't say that, but stopped. Scotty got 6 rings, man.

Yeah, no, for sure. Nobody taking that away.

He can pop that.

No, you can, but like some shit at a certain point, like for instance, all right. So pretty much what you're saying is this. You're pretty much saying I can walk around saying I'm better than Kawhi Leonard. Don't do that. No, I'm just saying, like you see, like I got 4 rings.

Don't do that.

Exactly.

Don't do that. Exactly. Don't do that. That's not even. I'm better than Kawhi.

Now take that.

Come on, dude. That's not even close.

Take that. I'm better than Kawhi.

That's not even close.

No, but that's what you're saying.

You and Kawhi don't even play the same position.

I agree, but like, it's not close for LeBron James and Scottie Pippen either.

No.

Not close. Yes, it is.

Stop it. Yes, it is.

Now see. What?

Yes, it is. Yes, it is.

Man, you tripping.

I'm saying Scottie Pippen is a 3. LeBron is a mold of Scottie Pippen and me, Magic.

No, LeBron is a mold of LeBron. Right, he's a one of one. For sure.

But when you look at LeBron's game, Magic Johnson, Scottie Pippen, right? And all of the ism that make LeBron LeBron, right?

Mm-hmm.

And so Scottie Pippen, is looking at it like, man, I'm a 3, he a 3, you know? And Scottie Pippen puts himself, as he should, in the upper echelon of 3s.

Here's the thing though, Bron ain't never really even been a 3. He really like a point guard.

Okay.

And he came in as a point guard. But even if you wanna say Bron's a 3, great. Say he a 3, say he a 4, I really don't give a damn. Bron and Scottie Pippen is not in the same category.

They are not in the same category.

That's just not the case.

I did not say, I said Scottie Pippen, he as a 3 has won 6 championships.

No, that's great.

So he's standing on his 6 championships.

And I respect that.

He's standing on, I killed in the finals, Defensive Player of the Year, All-Stars. He's standing on all that. I think, You know, when he compare himself to Bron, that's just having confidence in himself.

Bron has had Scottie's career minus the rings twice.

For sure.

Like minus the 6 rings, he's had Scottie's career twice.

Scottie messed up.

If not 3 times.

With this last one.

He's had, he's had—

Scottie, Scottie. Scottie messed up with this last one.

Hey, come on, Scottie.

You feelin' me, Scottie?

I'm on Scottie's side, by the way. I got nothing but love for Scottie, but come on, Scottie.

You're not winning those 6 rings without MJ.

Come on, that's ridiculous. If that's the case, then when MJ left, you would've kept winning the rings, Scottie. Like—

He would've went back in the game.

You know what I'm saying? Like, come on, Scottie.

He would've went back in the game, quit playin'.

And then he tried to justify Draymond Green. I can't believe you just tried to justify that.

I didn't try to justify nothing. I was speaking from his point of view. Yeah, I'm pissing you off today. Yeah, I'm pissing him off. Listen, very accurate. Magic, Scottie Pippen. Right? That is when you look at LeBron's game, he embodies both of those players.

I ain't rolling.

Very, very not like MJ.

No, him and MJ not the same player.

Not even close. Yeah.

They not the same player.

Not even close. Yeah.

No, totally different game.

Kobe, MJ.

Yeah, totally different game.

Kobe, MJ, LeBron, Magic, and Scottie Pippen as a high—

Don't stop that. Magic, again, I'm a Scottie Pippen fan. Scottie Pippen does not belong in the category with Magic Johnson and LeBron James. I'm sorry, Scottie is, is the legend. I'm sorry, Scottie just cannot go in that. I love Scottie. In that category, bro. Zero disrespect to Scottie Pippen, but he cannot go in the category with LeBron James and Magic Johnson.

I'm not putting him in the category.

Come on though. He just like—

The greatness of Magic Johnson. The greatness of Scottie Pippen, mix that all together, you get LeBron James.

I don't know, that's too simple. But I'm not saying like, those are both special players. But I'm saying like, that ain't gonna get it done. Ah, let me think.

Think about it, bro. And then it's somebody, and then it's, And then it's LeBronism, right? It's his approach and his swag. But if you think about Magic and you think about how Pippen play, right? Like that is the cornerstone of the greatness of LeBron James. I'm just saying. I'm moving my mouth. He's equally as great, right? Like Scottie Pippen's greatness, defense, all the things he did. Then you got Magic with the ooh, ooh, ooh. And just the Magic, Then you add what LeBron got with the hops, the athleticism, the strength. That's like, bro, he the perfect combination of them two and Karl Malone.

That's, I'll tell you what, so I had to just move my mind past them being in the same category. And what I had to allow my mind to do was combine the two players. And combining those two players is like, that's insane.

That's insane. That's LeBron James. That's what I'm saying.

And so I can follow you a little bit.

Then you add Karl Malone in there like, That's saying a lot.

All right, I'll rest.

He built like Karl Malone. LeBron James is built like Karl Malone, bro.

I rest.

He the same size as Karl Malone.

Which is crazy. That's crazy. That makes no sense, man. That's ridiculous.

That's crazy. I had to guard him. I had to guard LeBron.

Yeah.

Yeah, he like guarding Karl Malone and Magic Johnson all in the same one.

For Bron to be the same size as Karl Malone, for those of y'all that's never seen Karl Malone person.

That man is massive, man. That's the problem.

Golly. And Bron, him and Bron actually is the same size, which makes no sense.

That's crazy, bro. I'm telling you. All right, man, get at me. Weekly questions from the fans.

Baron, Love to Ball 20. Baron, who would you say is your best teammates of all time?

Oh man, that's, uh, We go with Monte Ellis, Stack Jack, Matt Barnes, Jay Rich. Ah, Jay Rich. We Believe Squad, Al Harrington. Then you go David Wesley. You go Big Cat, Jamal McGlure. You think about when I had the Knicks team with Melo, Shump, JR Smith, Omari, like we was tight, we was tight then too.

Did you go with Omari to like the place where he's taking the red wine baths?

I was on the team when they shot that episode. And then one of my all-time favorite teammates, I didn't play with him for a long time, is Z-Bo, Zach Randolph. Zach Randolph is the first guy funniest dude I've ever met in my entire life, bro. Z-Bo.

We gotta get Z-Bo on the show.

Hey bro, I got a Z-Bo story. We was playing Mike Dunleavy. And so before practice, you know, it was one, Mike Dunleavy was one of them coaches like, you are going to practice for 3 hours. He is going to talk and instruct for 2 hours and 30 minutes. Probably 2:15. So I'm like, man, damn, you know, another practice, yo. I start going to the bathroom, you know what I mean? Like, oh, let me go sit, let me go to the bathroom, sit in the stall and wait till like, you know, wait till the trainer come get me, right? So I'm in the bathroom, we just trained for Z-Bo, you know, I'm like doing my little routine. Like kind of hiding in the bathroom and shit. And then I hear the stall open. I'm like, damn, man, that's the trainer. He about to say, all right, come on, practice. All right, I know, I know, I know Zach been coming. So somebody come sit in the stall next to me, right? So it's the other, it's the next stall. So I'm like, oh damn, you know, I'm trying to be quiet, right? People like, where BD at? I hear, man, Shit, I got 6 bitches right now. They ready to go, $2,500 apiece. And I'm like, oh shit, what's going on? He's like, man, this blue— I got the blue-eyed bitch. I go, hey bro, hey bro, I'm just letting you know Over here, you like, "Oh yeah, you hear me selling my dogs? I got these pit bulls." I said, "Bro, you gotta be the realest dude I ever met in my life." You sell dogs? I was like—

Wow.

I said, "Dawg, I thought you was pimp of the year, dude, the way you were." Oh, he was loud, man. We was laughing like shit.

During practice?

No, this is like right before practice started. You know, Z-Bo come to practice, "Oh yeah, you know what I'm saying? Hey, you know so-and-so?" Like, "Yeah." Like, "Yeah, ah man, he used to be highly hood, now he Hollywood." Hey Z-Bo, hey, we had a yoga instructor and we used to have to do yoga before practice with the Clippers. And the yoga dude, he was like, "All right guys, just down, down dog." Z-Bo was like, "Man, shit, what's all this shit about? I just need to do some of these, some of these, some of these." I'm ready to play. Hey bro, he checked out, hey, he checked out the yoga shit so fast. He was like, fuck that, I'm through.

He never came back.

He was like, man, I ain't doing that shit. I can't do none of that shit. How this gonna help me play basketball? The yoga dude was like, man, you gotta stretch. He was like, man, this shit ain't gonna help me.

Hey, hey.

Oh yeah, DeAndre Jordan. I did DeAndre Jordan. I had some Clippers, Craig Smith. I had some young dudes.

This man got every teammate in the world he done had.

Man, I love my teammates. I had like good rapport. I had good rapport with my teammates, man. You know, like that was my thing. When I went to a team, I was always trying to like figure out how to make everybody comfortable and give 'em confidence. How can I connect with you to give you some confidence to understand yourself? Story or struggle, whatever it is you trying to do, bro, I'm trying to help you overcome that when we get on this court. You know what I mean? So that was kind of, that was my thing.

I respect it. That's a leader.

Thank you, brother. I follow after you, baby Draymond. That's what they call me at the rec league. Women B-ball GOAT. What do y'all think? About the Unrivaled 3-on-3 Women's League. Have you checked any of the games out?

Not really. I saw like a couple, um, I watched maybe like 2 seconds of it. I got upset. I was watching, uh, I don't even know which team it was, but Sabrina Ionescu was playing. And, um, no, I saw her contest on the 3 and I was, shit, I turned the TV off because her contest on the 3 It wasn't real. It was just like, it was just kind of a little tired. And when I saw the contest and it was a little tired, I was just like, yeah, this ain't, this ain't it, this ain't the answer. Like, you know, you know, uh, I have to try, I try to be very careful with my words because the women's players, they get really upset at me.

They coming for you. They like to be hard.

They be coming at me, but I just gotta tell the truth. 'Cause I had a lot of respect for them women hoopers. They are great basketball players. And I understand, you know, the need to not want to go overseas. And like, I understand all of that, but I'm just not sure a 3-on-3 league is the answer. Because it's a different brand. It's not the same thing. Like, for the brand of basketball that we know these women for and what they're great at, like, I'm sorry, but me watching Sabrina Ionescu play in a 3-on-3 league, I'm not getting the real Sabrina Ionescu that I just watched win the WNBA Finals. She not playing the same game. Like, you can take some of these 3-on-3 teams from that Unrivaled team and, you know, they've been practicing now, so they'll be better, but— Yeah. They could possibly run up against one of those real 3-on-3 teams that this is what they've been doing for 15 years and lose. And yet, if you put them in a 5-on-5 game with that same team, they beat 'em by 60. But it's just a totally different—

Yeah.

It's a totally different brand of basketball. And I just don't think, you know, when you look at growing the women's game, that a 3-on-3 league is about to grow the women's game. You know, they're gonna make money, And they, you know, their whole thing is we're making more money. The average salary is higher than the max salary or something like that in the WNBA. Like, I get all of that. And I wanna say, first off, let me backtrack a little bit. Kudos to Nafisa and I think Stewie for even getting this off the ground like this. Because as you, in starting any league is impossible. So for them to get it off the ground, I want to make sure that I do, let them know that I respect that. Just the business of getting that off the ground is impossible and they did it. So I respect that. But like I said, I just don't think that a 3-on-3 league is the answer and it's showcasing these women's game like it should be showcased for the growth to continue to be the grow. And so I think the answer is somewhere between like, you gotta get more WNBA games, you know what I'm saying? You gotta get the season longer, you gotta get all of those things. I just don't think the answer to their ultimate problem, like, yes, it's—

It's Draymond Green.

You know what I'm saying? It's a good fix, right? Like, to make more money, like, it works, but it's not the final answer. I just don't think so.

Yeah, I mean, I would— I watched it. I have to agree with you on watching it. I feel like I'm more afraid of because it's like summer runs, it's a competitive summer runs that, you know, you prone to injury.

Mm-hmm.

Okay. Number 2, I would like to discover new talent, right? And be introduced to new talent, right? So I think the superstars playing, right? I don't think that it elevates their stardom.

Mm-hmm.

Right, 'cause there's a mystique, right, about a superstar that you cannot pay me enough to play. Now I get it, they're making money, this is cool, I like the league, I like the, you know, I like seeing the women hoop. But in a 3-on-3 setting, when you're looking at matchups and one-on-one matchups and— you know, one, the time. It take too— like, the quarters are hella long, you know what I mean? But there's no matchups. I want to see a matchup that I can buy into. I want to see a matchup where certain people are going at each other or new talent being discovered going at somebody. So for me, I think—

Yeah.

I wanna keep watching. I'm fully in support of women-owned, women-led, women-invested league. I wanna see this league grow into something of its own where it is a discovery of talent, but it also is a place that we wanna watch more women's basketball. My only issue is when the superstars are playing in the off-season, and it's highly competitive, you are more prone to injury.

Mm-hmm.

That's a fact. And they don't travel. So if they travel, then you can build the fan base. But I think it's hard to be in one space, one place to watch the same backdrop, the same setting, and not have the energy of the fans a part of it. Whether it's a big, you know, whether it's a big arena or a small arena, you— I want to see different cities.

Yeah.

And if they traveled the game, it would expand the game. So that's just, you know, me putting my thinking hat on, uh, as a part. If they wanted to hire me, that would be cool too.

I respect that. You, you played in the Big Three, um, like, what should, like, Do you see some comparison to the Big Three in this league?

Absolutely not.

The Big Three ain't helped the game of basketball grow one bit. No disrespect to Q, love what he's doing, but it ain't helped the growth at all.

Yeah, the intentions of the Big Three is not pure. They are doing a service, right, to our sport, giving people jobs, giving people outlets. I always support that, but I don't really think that the Big 3 is as tightly organized and structured as a rival.

Mm. Right?

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

But playing in the Big 3 is tough 'cause it's half court, people in shape, people not in shape, you're frustrated, you're tired. But the cool thing about the Big 3 was when I played, I got a chance to play against dudes that I played against, dudes that I was teammates with, that was my homeboys. But I don't think, I think half courts, I like the full court versus the half 'cause I always say like, man, it's just, you watching motherfuckers brick all day.

Yeah.

And Draymond, I'm unstoppable in 3-on-3. I just got hurt.

You was ass.

Unstoppable.

You was ass out there.

Unstoppable. Hey bro, unstoppable. Unstoppable. Unstoppable. You know, my thing was, I was like, well, nobody could guard me when I was in the league. What makes him think that they gonna be able to guard me?

Can't move no more. Now that left to right, right to left, that don't work no more.

Draymond, I post you up. I post you up to your buckets.

I can't see you. You ain't gonna get no buckets on me.

Hey, hey, hey, Defensive Player of the Year, you hear that? I will post you up, bro, and get buckets on you.

When Kyle Lowry retired and been retired for about 5 years, y'all should have a post matchup.

Bro, he too, come on, that's the little homie.

Y'all should have a post matchup.

We're the big dogs. You gotta think, they used to put, all big guards, threes— you right in that wheelhouse just 1, 2 jump hook! You ain't wanna see me. I'm like Hakeem Olajuwon down there. I probably would've guarded Draymond if my son was playing basketball. Hey hey look man, Hakeem seen me when I was with the Knicks, when he was working out Amaree, and I was doing the workout. Man, it's the ultimate compliment ever. Hakeem, I'm walking on the court, I start rebounding at the end. Hakeem walked off the court, he said, "Man, he don't know you right here, he could've—" Wow.

Wow.

If I'm lying, I'm flying, bro. Draymond.

Wow. Hey, he—

Oh, oh, hey.

Listen though.

Up and unders.

Listen though, he gassed you, relax. No way. He got you.

I want the fans to pull up Baron, make a Baron Davis post highlight so you can watch it. And then you tell me, oh, I can guard him in the post.

I used to watch Baron Davis.

I mean, no offense. No offense. You are the Defensive Player of the Year, but I am unguardable.

I used to watch Baron Davis, so I remember you posting up, but. Fuck outta here, man. You wasn't scoring.

He scored too little.

Yes, stop it. You wasn't scoring. Crazy. No chance he's scoring.

Ah, jump hook. Pump fake.

You ain't get none of that. It's a wrap.

And you know all them fouls you be doing? Man, and ones. You ain't strong enough to take me down. And ones, I know. Oh, and one.

This is ridiculous, man.

You— I'm trying out next year, I'm telling you.

We'll see. I'll provide the clips right here on the show. Uh, I'm gonna put my tryout. I hope y'all enjoyed this episode. BD, I gotta get out of here. BD is, uh He been— he trying. This is ridiculous.

Yeah, this is the night.

I can't help myself. It's been a long night. We love y'all, we appreciate y'all. Until next time, that's a wrap from the Draymond Green Show with the main man BD, Baron Davis, the man himself, the man, the mister, legend. That's a wrap, y'all.

Peace.

We out.