In this segment of Inside the NBA, host Ernie Johnson explains his self‑described role as the show’s “traffic cop,” describing how he reads the room, balances the personalities of Charles Barkley, Shaquille O’Neal, Kenny Smith, and Chuck Hayes, and makes real‑time decisions about pacing and direction. He emphasizes the importance of feeling the energy, allowing conversations to flow organically, and intervening only when a panelist repeats points or when a segment needs to move on. Producer Tim Kiley is credited for subtle cues that help steer the show. Draymond Green reflects on his first appearance, noting how the free‑flowing, unscripted environment helped him transition from player to media personality, and thanks Johnson for facilitating that growth. The conversation also revisits a viral off‑air moment where Charles Barkley monopolized Shaq’s speaking time, leading to Shaq’s frustration that carried over to the next show, illustrating how even brief on‑air tensions can affect panel dynamics. Throughout, the participants stress authenticity over rehearsed dialogue, the “red light” that signals a player’s readiness for TV work, and the collaborative chemistry that makes the show feel like a living room conversation for viewers.
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One, how fun is it and how easy is it to keep those dudes on guardrails? Kenny, Shaq, Chuck, you know. You both been in there with me. You know what it is. Every show is somewhere between a walk on the beach and a train wreck.
Yeah.
And half the time you don't know which it's gonna be until you hit the air. And you don't, because part of the deal is, look, we all have lives. We all have, some days are good and some days are a little rocky. And so sometimes you may be bringing that to the chair when you sit down. You've had a bad day, Shaq, you had a bad day and he doesn't feel like taking anything from you. And you can tell right from the start that that's gonna happen. So really it's just kind of a feeling out process and it's like, okay, how's this gonna, is the energy good in here? Geez, he's— Shaq's on fire tonight. This is going to be a long night. Or, Chuck is subdued. I don't know. Auburn lost. You know, so, so you're constantly kind of reading the room and then kind of figuring out which direction you want to go. And it's like, it's like I'm— people call me so many different things in that role, you know, whether it's, hey, he's the ringmaster, hey, he's the point guard. He's the traffic cop. I'm actually that traffic cop who's not very good at his job because instead of trying to wave people through the intersection with no fender benders, I'm like waving Kenny this way because I know Shaq is going to broadside. And so, and so in that way, I'm a little, uh, a little bit of a rogue traffic cop. But that's, that's how, that's how it goes, man. And, and If folks at home are sitting there saying, I have no idea what is gonna happen next on this show, join the club, man. 'Cause half the time I got no idea either. And again, you guys have both seen it. You know, the show can go a million different directions and sometimes you just let it go.
Yeah.
And sometimes you need to try to rein the guys in and maybe, hey, okay, good. Because, you know, Chuck has a bad habit of repeating himself. You know, he'll make a point and then repeat it 3 more times before— and then like the other night he was doing— I said, look, man, you're just making laps on this thing. Can we stop and move on? Okay. And so sometimes I guess I just need to let him know that.
Yeah.
I know you've just said that 4 times. You know, I'm not going to let you say it 5 times. But yeah, that's the way it goes. It's just, it's all feel. It's like— and Tim Kiley gets a lot of credit for that too, the producer, because You know, he'll get in my ear sometimes, say, let's move on. Or he'll say, let it go. This is good. You know, like, like we can continue to— if it's a really good discussion. So, but yeah, it's all feel. It's like, okay, this is kind of run its course. Boom. Let's change. Let's change direction and do something else.
I've had so much fun on the show. You know, it's unlike anything that I've ever done, and I'm not sure in media that you can never do anything else that's like— No, like, it's— I'm not sure how you can recreate it. Like, I'm not sure— Like, I don't think it can be recreated, but it's so free-flowing, but yet and still, it's not just like haywire, though. It's not just like anything goes. Like, it's very much so like, "Hey, we want to talk about these things." And then if it goes somewhere else, great. But for me to have the opportunity to be on that show with you guys, and just watch and learn. And to watch you guys help me, you know, when I'm sitting there and can't really get a word in and you like, Draymond, what about this? You know, or, you know, early when I first started, you know, we're on the break and Chuck's asking me like, hey, so what are your thoughts on NIL? And I tell him my thoughts on NIL. We come back from the break, start talking and Chuck go, you know, Draymond has some thoughts on NIL and like, Just throw me a live and I go on it. And just to like have that experience in really my first experience in media and like really doing TV, I feel like it set me up so well for the future, just being able to work next to stars, to greats.
Mm-hmm.
And I just wanna say thank you for helping me move into that field, but just making it so easy for me to just go up there and speak and try to build my brand in that space. I just want to say thank you because I couldn't ask for a better experience.
Draymond Green, what's the first thing I said to you after your first show with us? I said, man, are you in a great spot? Because I don't know how much longer you're going to play, but when it's done, you can write your ticket because everybody's going to want you. It is. It's true, man. And there's— look, some guys have it. You know, I— we knew right away Kenny had it. You know, Kenny was, you know, you know, Kenny just had this way about him, this great—
Yeah.
Like streetwise, you know, you can't throw me off my game in any way. You ask me anything, I'll— and he was great. And we said, oh man, when he's done, he's got to be part of the show. And that's always been the key to any— to any player who's tried to venture out and branch out. And a lot of times their agents are like, I'm going to try to get my guy on TV because I think, you know, this is the avenue. And there are some guys who you would see them interviewed postgame or see their personality on the floor and say, ooh, he might be really good on TV. But there's something about that red light going on.
Yeah.
There's something about that red light going on and suddenly the topic of conversation is this guy's is this guy's buddy.
Mm-hmm.
Well, what am I gonna say? Am I gonna be honest or am I gonna say what my buddy wants me to say or to say about his team? And there can be that, oh, I don't know if I wanna go there. To our guys' credit, they have never shied away despite what you, despite what players in the league might say. And BD, same way, you know, I, I say, I talk about this, you know, with when Draymond was on the show a few years ago for the first time. But it was the same way with you. When you're on the air with us, we were like, this guy gets it. He's just being him. He's not like, oh, I gotta be TV guy now. You know, it's just like, no, this is what you get. Have me on the show and this is what I am.
Yeah.
And that's all you can ask for is somebody to be authentic and genuine and be themselves and not hold back. And for a guy like Chuck, who was the most quotable guy in the world, on every topic when he was a player who was always sought out for his opinion. He never shied away from that. And that's what made— and that's what makes it work. So, and it also goes back when you talk about the free-flowing conversation, it goes back to the fact that these guys are not in the production meeting because we don't want the show laid out. So they're thinking about, well, what am I going to say about that? What am I going to say about the Bucks? What am I going to say about the Clippers? What am I going to say about Kawhi? It's going to come up. And what do you think? Right there. Not with, not with a bunch of, of, oh, I'm trying to remember what I said, and not with a rehearsed kind of— but we've seen enough shows that are so over— that are so rehearsed that the opinions and the things that are happening are happening like boom, boom, boom.
Yeah.
Like, okay, now you're supposed to talk, and I'm supposed to talk now. I'm— but now we're supposed to get to commercial. With us, it's like, geez, who knows how it's going to go? How, you know, with all this stuff flying back and forth. And that's what I think. That's why it resonates. I think that's— that gives you more of that feel like you're sitting in the living room with your— with your fellas watching. Nobody's asking for permission to talk, you know. Nobody's— you don't go to commercial break and say, hey, when we come back, you say this and then you say this and I'll laugh and you say this. No, we're just letting it fly. And then eventually we gotta get back to the game and, and, and then we'll pick it up when the game's over. So that's, that's how it works.
Opinions sometimes can get heated. You know, you're talking about basketball, which all the guys on that stage love. You, you go through life, you start the show at 7 o'clock, it could be 12:15. You've been there for 4 and a half hours, but you've been there for, 13 and a half hours, but everyone else has been there for like, call it 5, 5 and a half hours. You get a little groggy, you get a little tired, opinions start to clash. Have there ever been moments on a set where you felt like, "Man, this could really lean the other way," like, and like go somewhere we really don't want it to go amongst the guys?
No, and a lot of times the talk from people who watch And they've asked me this thing, are you ever afraid that Shaq and Charles are really gonna, you know, throw hands some night? And I said, no, no, no. Look, these guys are tight. Their moms were tight, you know, their families were tight. No, this, but they, but here's the deal. They realize that everybody on that show comes at the game from a different angle. And so there are gonna be, you know, Shaq is going to give you the, Big man got to give you 30 and 15. You know, that's his solution to everything, you know.
Yeah.
And then Charles and Kenny will point out, look, you were Shaq. You were Shaq, okay? You can do that, but not everybody is you.
Doesn't matter.
And so I think because of that, you can have these differences of opinion and A lot of times that comes down to like, you know, Shaq saying the coaching doesn't matter. You know, here's a guy who's played with some of the greatest coaches of all time, but he's saying, "Coaching doesn't matter." You know? And then you get a Chuck and you go, "Man, you must have been a joy to coach." And then they start, you're going to be some furniture moving. I mean, it happens all the time.
Yeah.
But no, I don't think that that's ever been an issue of thinking, "Oh yeah, these guys are really," These guys are really mad at each other. I mean, look, there was one time in particular, the clip has gone viral about a billion times of the night that Charles took all of Shaq's time on the sponsored element.
Oh yeah.
We finally get, finally, you know, they were 25 seconds. Okay, Shaq, because Charles had answered And then I was about to throw it to Shaq, and then Charles took it back because he had something else to add for the fourth time. And then when I get it back to Shaq, no, no, no, he wants to talk. He's gonna think all the time, brother, supposed to, you know, supposed to be 1 to 2 to 3, not 1 to 2 and back to 1. Which—
That's funny.
Which when he said it was the funniest thing I'd ever heard in my life, and I couldn't stop. And so, but what you didn't realize, he was hot. He was so mad. Shaq was running hot.
He was so mad.
BD, BD. This was during the playoffs and BD, he came in the next night. He was quiet. He wouldn't talk. The show starts and he's just sitting here like this, staring straight ahead. And I'm having to beg him to talk, you know, come on now. Hey, big fella, come on. This is a good matchup right here. You know, they don't want to fall down 3-1 in the series. No, they don't. Well, he's still— he's still hot. And so really, that's one of the few times I've ever seen any kind of a carryover from one show to the next where somebody— Oh my gosh. Kind of got their feelings hurt a little bit and was not gonna take part in that show the next night. And I remember that pregame show ended and Shaq immediately got up and went to the green room. And Kenny and Chuck and I had looked at each other, uh-oh. Somebody's gonna have to have a word with the big fella 'cause he's carrying this around.
