Jeff Teague & Draymond Green on Klay to Mavericks, Brunson extension, Carmelo vs. Tatum | Club 520

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All right, we back. Another episode of Club 520, live from Resorts World in Las Vegas, Nevada. You know what it is? It's a crossover episode. It's like when your badass cousins get together on Thanksgiving and take that walk before the meal come out. You know what it is? Special guest to my left, to my far left, my dog Bishop B, hand out the pearly. How you at, nasty?

Cool and nasty. Let's get to it, baby.

Nah, I gotta tell Adre, you know what I'm saying? Some things have changed in life. I see that he got the new hand chain. See, he started off with the gold, what's happening? But he done elevated now. My boy out here shining in Vegas. I ain't seen that one.

Money. Club 520 doing really well.

It ain't your turn to talk.

You know you, hold on.

You gotta order.

I got a question. Can I? Add me to the show. I need some of that money too.

Man, come on. You're a part of the network.

I'll be amazed.

Yeah.

Actually, man, I actually forgot your shoes. The black ones. You ended the season how I thought you would. So that's my fuck up. You know, I didn't know. My timing was messed up.

We got a wrap.

After the game. Yeah, that's the after the game.

Well, let's, you know, let's get to it, DJ.

For sure, for sure. To my right, my dog, Young Nacho, Young Tigg. How you at, man?

Man, I'm chilling, bro. Chilling. Glad we got family back in the building. You know, he said he gonna be our distant cousin on the podcast, so it's all good.

Come on, man. You know what it is. To my left, special guest return. We don't have some people being a block on 520, but his family always can slide on us. 4-time, 4-time champ. You know what it is. Draymond Green, big dog. Appreciate you pulling back up on us, homie.

Absolutely, man. I appreciate y'all having me. First time was too short. We was just getting into the rhythm, so I appreciate y'all having me back on. I've been looking forward to it. I watch all the shows. Y'all relax on me today.

Nah.

Nah, nah, nah.

Cool, then we cool today.

But we gotta talk about, okay, so you gone, the Black forces is done?

No.

White laces with the Js?

No, no.

That's all nominees?

Okay. New chain, new boots.

Nah, this is, you feel me?

That's that 420 money. Ain't no forces no more. Them only $85.

No, no, no.

Like we going somewhere after this, so I had to just put on a little day outfit.

I respect that.

I like that. A little day off in body powder for the thick motherfuckers. It's a little hot out here.

You got your rag?

Yes, I got it.

It's only right, bro.

My boy carry around a soldier rag just in case shit get iffy.

For sure.

Oh, that's how Mike need to bring out our shirts. We need to get Mike a motherfucking, a crawl sweater.

Hey, we in Vegas.

We gotta bring this up. Mike, I love you, but I gotta do this. You know what I'm saying? We had a good time. We was out together. Me and T, you know what I'm saying? A couple other people.

Yeah.

Now we had one last round of drinks, right?

Yeah.

Could you please tell the people what was provided to us as a beverage from Freaky Mike himself?

Freaky Mike, bro, he ordered us Lemon Drop with sugar on the rim.

Whoa.

I said, I ain't know what was going on.

Whoa.

You don't got no mic today. I know.

You can't defend yourself, so.

I know, but I don't know what's going on. So I'm drinking a drink, my wife with me. So I'm like, maybe she ordered this. You know what I mean? I'm like, yo, here you go, your drink. And Mike like, no, that's for y'all.

Wow.

What'd you do?

Oh.

Oh. She said, you want drinks or shots? I said, I want the shots. And she handed me that. It was $33 a piece.

He counting them up.

Yeah, you out of pocket. It's July 12th, not June 12th.

You paid $33 a drink for some lemon drop with sugar on the rim?

Sugar on the rim, bro.

He mean his wife.

That's crazy. I'm telling Sierra. I'm telling Sierra, bro.

I ain't wanna do that, but I had to take homie to homie court. It was a major violation. I didn't know what was going on. We was in the club toasting up the— we was out of pocket. As a conglomerate of 520, we were out of pocket.

What's worse, that we drunk it. We accepted it. We accepted it. So we out of pocket. We call it a situation. Are you out of pocket for saying that they juiced?

Draymond Green.

Draymond, welcome to the show, man.

This is crazy, man.

This is where you can put your sponsorship right here.

Hey man, it's been a while since we talked All-Star, man. How is life? How everything going, man? The show's been going crazy, man. I see one thing I love was the championship series you had during the finals. That was super, super dope, bro.

That was dope.

That was dope. To talk to the champions, you know what I'm saying? Talk your shit. And it was good. You know what I'm saying? It's good to see like you going crazy in this space. Like I think one thing people need to give you your flowers on, it's like a lot of people getting into the game, But that, as soon as the game over, you hop and go on Insta reaction shit. A lot of people getting account. Hey, you went, you were a pioneer in the podcast game for that, bro. You kind of made a lane for a lot of people to do that. It's particularly this industry. I gotta give you your flowers off top of that, bro.

I appreciate that, bro. Yeah, bro, I told you it started when I got kicked outta that game. I ain't have nothing else to do. It's in Memphis. Like ain't nothing to do in Memphis.

Nothing.

Nothing. And I left, I was hot by the way. 'Cause I ain't feel like, I ain't, I ain't grab bruh like that. He went to the ground. Ain't my fault he not strong enough. But so I was hot. I got kicked out the game. I just walked back to the hotel. I don't know why I was walking down the streets of Memphis either. 'Cause they hated me at that point.

But— Yeah, you brave.

Yeah, I guess so. You playing a dangerous game, Draymond.

Respect.

I walked to the hotel and I'm like, you know what? I'm about to do my podcast right now. Soon as the game end, I'm on here. And man, I think that was one of the best things I ever did. Because it really sparked an interest for that real-time update after a game. And that's been my thing now. People was telling me like, yo, you can't podcast, you in the playoffs. And then we won a championship and everybody shut up.

So it was all good.

That's cold, bro.

It's all good. Like, how do you feel like when you see other players doing it now? It's like, yeah. Or is it like, dang, what you trying to take my lane for? Or is it like, nah, it's like an honor?

Nah, I think it's space for all of us, man.

Yeah, facts.

'Cause we all got stories to tell. I can't do what y'all do. You know what I'm saying? Like that ain't my thing. You know what I'm saying? I think what's so special about this space is like, yo, you can carve out your own lane and whatever it is that you want to do as y'all has done. So when I see guys doing it now, I have two thoughts. A, I like that you doing that. I think that's super dope that you doing that. Mm-hmm. But B, make sure you in a space to do it first. You know, 'cause I see some guys start now and like, if you start now because you trying to make that your main job.

Yeah.

Great.

Go for it. But you're not in a space right now to do that and try to make it in basketball because you ain't made it in that yet.

So happy you said that.

And so I, I kind of look at it that way. Like I'll be excited as hell to see everybody doing their thing. I think it's dope. But at the same time, I get a little worried that people trying to do too much too soon. Like I'm on the wrong side of my downslide.

Yeah.

Like I'm headed into year 13. I probably got 2 more. And so it's important to start building for the next thing.

For sure.

But for some of these guys, they be in year 3 still trying to figure it out with the podcast. Like I love that you doing it. I love that you, found something that you want to do, but you in year 3 and ain't done shit, nobody really want to hear from you.

Facts.

You know what I'm saying? Like, as great as y'all show has been and where it's gone, it all started because you were an All-Star and an NBA champion. And so you're going to naturally gain eyes by that. And then it's like, oh man, him, DJ, they funny as fuck. It's a good-ass show. But it's, people started watching because it's like, oh, Jeff Teague is talking about the NBA. He an all-star and he a champion. I want to hear what he gotta say. And I think some guys get started too soon where they ain't got nothing to say. And whatever it is you gonna say, nobody kind of want to hear it because you ain't proved nothing.

And they still, and for me, like you still got a brand that you gotta protect. Yeah. And so like we was talking about it on your show and earlier when we were just speaking, like a lot of guys be nervous to come on shows like this. But like you said, you established, you got your brand and you can shoot the shit if you want to. You there. A lot of young guys, they don't understand that. Like, yo, I'm shooting the shit. I'm doing this. I'm telling all these. I'm like, bro, build your stuff up, get to year 10 and then have some fun and do all that. Don't do that in year 4 and you not that guy. Now, if you that guy, If you Draymond, like Draymond got a podcast and stuff, he that guy. Absolutely. Like, you know, like, do your thing, bro. You that guy. But if you a guy that was like in a situation like I was, or like, you know, you trying to find yourself and you a young guy and you still just trying to establish yourself.

Draymond got a $200 million contract.

Yeah, life is great.

Y'all can do a lot of other things. You don't make $200 million.

Yeah, if you ain't got that, you ain't chill. You know what I mean? But it's a space, like you said, it's a space for everybody. For sure.

For sure, man. And I know, I mean, with the social media is so encourage everybody have their own brand, quote unquote. But the whole part of having a brand is having substance behind that. Because if you don't have the substance behind it, it could fuck you up and the brand you trying to build at the same time. It's kind of like self-sabotage. You shouldn't have to worry about when you buy your tickets to your next big event. Gametime is a fast and easy way to buy tickets for all the sports, music, comedy, and theater events near you. With great last minute deals, all-in prices, views from your seat, and the best price guarantee, Gametime takes the guesswork out of buying tickets. So go ahead and take the guesswork outta buying MLB tickets with GameTime. Download the GameTime app, create an account, and use promo code CLUB520 for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Again, create an account, redeem code CLUB520 for $20 off. Download GameTime today. Last minute tickets, lowest price guaranteed. But you talked about that Draymond Green contract. I don't know if y'all seen the news today, but Jaylen Brunson signed that extension with the Knicks today.

Yeah.

Word. I have not seen that.

He took a discount.

What? 154, 4 years, 154.

He could have signed next year. He would've had that super duper 250 something.

He took $100 million discount.

Ah, he did the Draymond Green. I signed that 4 for 100 and if I waited, I could have got like 4 for 180, but I need to lock my money in.

I fuck with, hey, I'm so glad you signed. I said, hey man, don't nobody feel you this. Bro, I fuck with that.

No, I'd rather lock, I'd rather lock 100 in to make sure I got that 100.

Yeah. Yeah.

Chasing that extra 60 or 80 and then I don't get, like, I just wasn't willing to take that risk. And Jalen may not be willing to take that risk, but he different. Like he, you the number one option on the New York Knicks.

He was gonna get that.

He was gonna get that.

And by the way, not only are you the number one option on the New York Knicks and that's cool, but the city of New York love you, you gonna get that $250 million.

He was getting that. I think he want, they said he took less 'cause he wanted to build the team. Like, you know, Josh Hart, some of them guys are gonna be up for extensions. I don't know if Josh Hart is. I think he just got one too. And Mikel Brunson. I don't know who he was trying to get paid. I'm not sure.

Can I tell you something? I don't mean to cut you off. Oh no, no, no. Oh please. Can I tell you something? It's the New York Knicks, bro. They can afford it. You ain't gotta take no discount.

Of course.

For them to get paid, You ain't gotta— my situation again, my situation is different because Steph making $270K, Klay making $180K.

Yeah.

All right, something gotta give. Cool, I can take a little, I can take less. But he the top guy.

Yes, sir.

By the way, let Josh Hart or somebody else take less. They in my role, right? Let one of them take less. But guess what? Steph Curry ain't take a penny less.

I feel that.

And neither did Klay Thompson, ain't take a penny less.

Definitely so.

If it's gonna work, somebody do. Well, guess what? I ain't really expecting them to take that.

Yeah, they should.

I don't know what he doing. I'm happy for him.

I think he still got the max though.

The max extension?

Yeah.

He didn't get the max. That's $100 million.

But like a man told me one time, bro, he was like, if I told you you was going, I remember when I signed for 32. Damn, that sounds so crazy.

'Cause— Shout out to Max Christie.

Max Christie just got that. But I signed for 32. I signed for 32.

Smart dog.

Shout out to God. I'm happy for you, bro. I'm not hating at all. I swear to God, I'm not. But I remember I signed that and the man was like, if I told you you was gonna make $32 million, 2 years ago, you would've told me I'd do anything for that.

That's a fact.

And I was like, he was like, so why the fuck you playing around now? I was like, you right. So I feel like him, he probably like, his dad probably was like, man, if I told you you was gonna get $154 million, you wouldn't sign that? He probably like, you right, fuck it. You might get hurt next year. I know Rick too. He might, he might roll your ankle next year. Shout out to Rick.

Yeah. Question though.

I would've signed it though.

No chance. Question though. So, I've seen quite a few extensions this summer and it left me with a question of who's representing these guys because did they like, also, did they not? And by the way, I'm never gonna question someone getting some money 'cause all this money is life-changing for us where we all come from. That's right.. But some of these extensions I've been looking at, like Jalen signed a 4-year. Do they not realize this TV money coming up?

Yeah.

Them deals about to get bigger. So you, so now he took 4 for $154 in a year and a half. He gonna be making mid-level.

Yeah.

Facts. Because the max gonna be 80.

I think he got an option though.

I was gonna say the details. I, I would love to see if he has an option after year 2.

I would really like to. He better have an option.

I would love to see that.

The option not gonna come till the—

Year 3.

If it's a 4-year deal, the option ain't coming till after year 3. That's gonna be, which the deal, if it's an extension, the deal don't kick in till next season. Which is the season that the TV money starts. So that's gonna be 3 years on new TV money.

And that's 3 years of playing, your body wear and tear.

And he play for Tibbs, you know, that's dog years on the court.

That's top 3.

I love Tibbs, but man, Tibbs, you playing 40. I wish I would've met JB.

We don't know the details yet. These niggas up here off this gila.

No, I'm happy for him.

I mean, I would've signed. Nah, 'cause he already coming off a $100 million deal.

Facts.

I would've went and got the Tucson. I ain't gonna lie to you.

If you telling me you can gamble one year for 100 extra Ms, you gonna take that gamble.

And I already made 100.

And you that nigga, you gonna take that extra.

Yeah, I made 100. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I made 100.

By the way, they may not like my 8 points next year, but he getting 28. It's a different situation, man.

Respect, respect.

I don't know. I'm happy for him though.

Oh yeah, I love it.

Well deserved 'cause he got it out the mud and I couldn't appreciate anybody who get it out the mud.

So where, since you was a second round pick and we family, where does JB start moving up in that second round pick?

He gotta win. Gotta win.

He not top 5?

He not. And the only reason he not is because all the guys that ends up in my top 5, now he may say, Draymond, get out here, I replace you. Which I'm cool with. I'm fine. I ain't fighting over that.

Oh, shoot your fire then.

But that— Joke.

Yoke.

Joker.

Manu.

Manu.

Mm. No particular order. Myself?

Mm-hmm. Absolutely.

I was just looking at this list the other day. Gilbert is not in my top 5.

Second one.

Hey Jackson, you remember who else was on my list?

Yeah.

Oh, Dennis Rodman for sure.

Oh yeah.

Damn sure.

Damn.

Yeah. Dennis Rodman, man. Nah, you gotta— Worm?

Look, shout out to Worm. I got a couple Worm graphic tees, but I get the rebounding and all that shit, bro. But he was a very, very important piece. Let me hear the fifth one.

He a Hall of Famer.

And respect the number 10.

A legend.

Respect the number 10 in Vegas, more importantly. Fuck on the court, respect the number 10 in Vegas.

Unseeded in Vegas.

He talk about that a lot.

Yeah, he's top. He's first round lottery.

Absolutely.

Hummer like LeBron.

High school off the court activities.

It's Wilt in him.

Oh, for sure.

Oh yeah.

That's one.

That's a hell of a front court. Yeah, for sure.

Y'all gotta gimme a 5 then. I got Gil up there too, bro. Just so far as—

Marc Gasol?

Man, never.

Oh, Marc Gasol, nice.

Marc Gasol.

We should've put Paul and Marc in the brothers conversation. We slept on them.

You right. We slept on the Ball brothers too, but—

Yeah, we did.

Marc Gasol for sure, bro. Definitely a hooper, bro. But I'm taking Gilbert, bro.

Oh, I'm taking Jalen Brunson over Gilbert Arenas.

Ooh.

Like they had, they run about the same. Gilbert had a, Gilbert my favorite player. Yeah, no, I wore zero 'cause of Gilbert. But Gilbert run was like, it was only like 4 or 5 years. If Jalen Brunson keep going for like 2 or 3 more years, he gonna surpass Gilbert.

I agree. Yeah.

I'm just talking about strictly just game though.

Jalen Brunson game is nice.

He's cold.

I'm just going, I said top 5 first.

I'm gonna put him in there. If you just going off game though, then—

I'm giving—

Gilbert's probably number 1.

Yeah, I'm going off strictly game.

Just going off game, he probably number 1.

You think Gilbert nastier than Manu?

Gil game is crazy.

It was pre-league. Oh my God.

Crazy game.

Bron was zero.

Yeah. Like his Gil game is like Gil game at the time he was in the NBA just off pure game. He was probably top 5.

Yeah, for sure. One of the better bigger guards, bro.

Ever, bro.

For sure. Fast to be 6'4". He was damn near as fast as John Wall, bro.

Young God.

The only problem I have with Gil's resume to say top 5 is if you really look at the numbers, he only did it for like 4 years.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, 'cause Gil was really paid in full in the NBA. No, you know what I'm saying? So it was, it was, it's, it's stipulations to that. Like I tell people about Penny all the time, he give me slack about Penny. It ain't no diss, he love Penny. But I'm saying like just off game, bro, he's one of the greatest point guards ever, bro.

Nah, bro.

He is, bro.

What, what makes you great is like your longevity, bro.

I agree.

You saying pure hooper or if you just like the eye test, you gonna be like, yeah, he cold. But your longevity make you great. That's why LeBron is so special. Like, bro, he playing for 23 years at that level. How's he gonna be the greatest, bro? It don't, like, it's your longevity. Like him playing for as long as he did, winning championships, his longevity is gonna be greater than Gilbert because he played this long, he was successful this long. His numbers or whatever, that one year he might have had, it don't count. That's why I don't talk about myself like that. 'Cause like, Yeah, you made All-Star one time. Like, chill, bro.

You had a decent career though, bro.

Yeah, I did.

It was very consistent for sure.

Absolutely.

Yeah, I did. But like, I get it though. Like, Jalen Brunson do this for 3, 4 more years.

Well, I wish people would show Melo that type of love then.

Melo?

Melo won it all.

Yes, bro.

Who don't love Melo?

I'm just, I'm not, the peers, y'all show respect. I'm not saying y'all don't respect Melo.

That Tatum versus Melo one-on-one conversation sound like—

But the outside world, bro, for real, he get a lot of slack.

But we don't respect the outside world opinion.

That's a fact.

Okay. I'm just saying people never mention like longevity when they speak of him. It's always, he never wanted to really win. He just wanted to get a bag.

Like it didn't kill him ever anyway.

I got a good question for Draymond. They just said the Melo-Jason Tatum battle. You guard both of them.

Yeah.

They play one-on-one. Who you think is a tougher cover?

Melo. Yeah.

Strong, bro.

JT on your ass. On your ass.

And by the way, JT is my man.

Yeah, for sure.

I love JT. But the thing that Melo did different than just about anyone was the pressure that he put on the rim.

Bro.

Like, Melo put crazy pressure on the rim, whereas opposed to— I actually have told JT this before. Like, bro, get to the cup.

Yeah, he settled.

Like, sometimes you settle too much. I told him after we beat him in the championship, like, yo, I just want you to know, like, our stuff was predicated on you settling. Like, you settle sometimes too much. And when he get to the hole, he can't be stopped.

Nah.

And you can't, like, his handle, he's 6'10", you can't stop him once he get to the hole. But Melo, man, I was playing Melo My first year, first or second year, David Lee had got suspended. Steph, him, Klay, they had got into this thing with the Pacers night before.

The scuffle. Yes. Yeah. I remember George Hill got thrown around.

Absolutely.

Yeah, I remember that. Now shout out to G.

Steph hit somebody leg and fell down.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So that David Lee got suspended the next game. We was in the Garden the next night. So I started and I had to guard Melo. He caught the ball in the mid post, square faced up and put his head down, drove to the rim, went right into me, laid the ball up. He missed. It probably could have been a foul, but it's borderline. He created all the contact. They didn't call a foul. He looked at the ref like, call the foul. He went back to the same spot the next play, put his head down and ran through me and got the foul. But that's the pressure he put on the rim.

Yeah.

All the time. —to put that type of pressure on the rim, I just think that makes you a tougher cover.

Bro, that dude's second jump is so fast. Like, he miss-get-his-own-rebound more than anybody on the wing than I ever seen, bro. Like, I used to think Melo— I remember one time we played him, he went— I was in Atlanta, we was in the Garden, he went crazy on us. But it was all off of, like, pull-ups and second jumps. Like, he'll shoot a jumper, he'll hit that, he'll go to the rim, post up, miss it, second jump layup. I'm like, damn. Cold, bro. And I was like, goddamn, you like a bull in a china shop, bro. Like you strong as hell. Like Melo, yeah, he was cold.

First step crazy too. Greatest first step ever, bro. Go first step. That's my favorite player. People, I don't be speaking on him 'cause niggas be saying I hate him so much. But he's one of the greatest scorers ever, bro, who don't really get his just due.

You right though. He don't get his due. For real, bro. He don't get his due. It bothers me.

Like I didn't like how he was out of the league. Me and bro watched how Houston treated him like this.

Yeah, man.

Back at home and stuff for the Pacers. I was like, yeah, it's crazy.

Him and Iverson had the worst treatment I ever seen of like superstars I ever seen in the NBA. Like Iverson at one time, I remember when he played for the Memphis Grizzlies, it was my rookie year and it was just like, that's Allen Iverson, bro. What y'all doing? Like, nah, bro. Like this don't look right. Y'all got him at the end of—

nah, this don't look right. Yeah, bro. That's our guy, bro. You can't do that to AI, bro.

Yeah. And like same thing with Melo, like seeing him in Houston, It's like, nah, bro. Nah.

My nigga came out like a goddamn EBC game. You didn't see that other game? I said, damn, where Melo? He come out, nigga, middle of the game, just walking out.

Going through it.

Yep. Sitting down. They called him. He like, fuck it, I'll get out there for a little bit.

It's Melo, bro.

It's like, bro.

Look at that. That was literally the last game he played, bro. I swear.

Yeah, with the Rockets.

We was there.

And you talk about the longevity situation and that's why I think, like you said, it needs to be more honored, especially people in your situation. You know what I'm saying? For you to be a 13-year vet, Same organization. Like that's, those things that need to be praised more. We kind of phase people out, but it's just like, we can't do that because you have to respect what people did. People ain't just doing this. People ain't just staying in the league off strengths. They be waiting to get certain people out the way. So for people to stay around, even no matter how good you are, however you kind of not as good as you were, we need more respect on shit like that for sure.

I sure thought this nigga was on his way to the Hornets. Who?

Draymond Green.

Why you thought he was going to the Hornets?

I said after the last few games, I said, yeah, they sick of his ass.

Don't give him to Charlotte. Hello, Draymond Green.

He gonna be driving his golf cart.

I'm gonna see Draymond in a Lambo in Charlotte.

It's up.

That team be—

Yellow.

A yellow Lambo.

Mm, fire though.

Hey, I tell you what though, I pray to God if they ever feel the need to get rid of me, like at least send me, like send me somewhere.

Don't send Draymond to the Pistons.

No, that's wrong. No, no, no.

They gotta do you right, bro. Don't be fucking around with them. With you, bro. They gotta do you right, bro.

If they gonna send me to any like non-winning organization.

Detroit.

Then send me to Detroit. Yeah, facts. Like, it's the crib. Like, I can make it do what it do there. That's the crib. So if they gonna send me to any non-winning organization, I'd much rather it be Detroit than Charlotte.

You done gave too much to the city, bro. You gotta go where you want to go.

I hope I don't go anywhere.

Yeah, but I'm saying, we talking about, of course you need to finish out and go and stuff. But if it came to that, you need to have the, no, I'm not going to Orlando. I wanna go where I wanna go.

I think they have enough respect to do that.

Out of respect, for sure.

I mean, that's what Atlanta did for me when I wanted to go to Indiana.

Yeah, so if he got it, for sure.

That's old talk. It be your old man's, bro.

Hey, we gotta ask, what happened the second time? That double zero, that boomer team? I asked not to go there. I said, can y'all please not send me to Atlanta?

I had my nigga jump off.

I didn't wanna go there, bro.

That's how much of Minnesota didn't fuck with me. I was like, bro, please don't send me to Atlanta. I just wanna go somewhere they trying to win, bro. I'm still like, I'm averaging 14 off the bench, bro.

Yeah.

I'm trying to be a Sixth Man of the Year or something, bro. He said, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're going to Atlanta. I was like, yo, fuck you too.

So I gotta ask Dray, obviously, you know what I'm saying? We talked last All-Star, finishing out the season.— I would say probably more of an emotional season for a lot of things going on. How was that mentally? You know what I'm saying? Obviously knowing what took place, some of the things that could have took place, how was it just getting through the rest of the season?

Honestly, it was fun to play again. And it felt like a weight was off my shoulders for the rest of the year, except for when something went wrong. When something went wrong, like for instance, when I got ejected in Orlando, like 2 minutes into the game, whatever it was, 3 minutes into the game.

We had bought your Black Forces that day.

Yeah, that was the day. I went on ahead and laced them. He beat Rasheed Wallace's record.

We had a group text, no lie, bro.

I was like, nah, the Force is with it, bro.

You gotta send it to him.

So when I got kicked outta that game, Like I hadn't had a tech since I've been back. And so then I get kicked outta that game and everybody like, yo, look, he haven't learned anything. Number one, let's stop the he haven't learned anything. Like I'm a fucking dummy. Like I'm not dumb. He hasn't learned anything, blah, blah, blah. Also like I play basketball. Like stop acting like I'm like sticking somebody. I play basketball. Yeah. But it was the whole like, he haven't learned anything. He's this, he's that, he's a problem. Look at Steph, Steph's emotional. And Steph told me after the game like, yo, I need you out there. Like, I just, I like, whatever it is, I just need you out there. Steve came to me after the game and was like, yo, you good? I'm like, yeah. He's like, great. He was like, I'm not about to make, like, I'm not about to make a bunch out of this. Like, you getting kicked outta that game, you're gonna get kicked out sometimes. By the way, I need you to get kicked out sometimes. I need you to be who you are. No, we can't make a thing out of it, but I just want you to know you've been absolutely incredible since you've been back. You just got kicked outta that game. We gotta bounce back tomorrow. I'm like, no problem, Coach. I appreciate it.

That's real.

And so the roller coaster, kind of ended once I got back, except for when something like that happened. But I was so happy to play basketball again and just like be around the guys again, like compete at a high level, and most importantly, kill the narrative. Because the only— when you go through something like I was going through last year, the only way out of it is actually to play well.

Mm-hmm.

Like, if, if, like, you can— apologize as much as you want. You can do as many podcasts until you play well. People don't move on. And so my goal coming back was like, yo, I just gotta come back and play well and we gotta win. And when I came back, we was winning games, I was playing well, and it kind of all went away. But if we wasn't winning, like, soon as we started losing, oh, it's his fault. Like, man, stop.

That's crazy.

So I, um, It was one of the most trying seasons I've ever been through, for sure. But I do feel like it also provided the most growth for me in a season than I've ever had. Like, it required and forced me to grow in a way that when you winning, you don't have to because nobody care. Like, you winning. Like, so it is what it is. Like, when you winning and that happened, it's like, look, that's the heart of a champion. They winning. All of a sudden you not winning and now you're an idiot and you're uncontrollable and you shouldn't be here. And so, um, it forced me to grow because we wasn't winning and I had to understand that when you not winning, the things that you get away with when you winning ain't the same. Yeah.

Yeah, it's real. I wanted to ask you— No, go ahead, go ahead.

I said I wanted to ask you about Klay's departure. You know, y'all had a, man, one of the best runs ever, bro. Y'all trio, I know it's the Splash Brothers, bro, but I ain't saying it 'cause you here, bro. It's really the Big 3 for real with you. How is it, man? How you dealing with your man like sliding?

To be honest with you, I haven't, giving it much thought.

Okay.

Because I really don't wanna face the reality until I have to face the reality.

Yeah, until it's time to suit up.

And so like, it's kind of just this thing that's like floating around out there. And then people be like, "Yo, how you feel about Klay?" And I'm like, "Ah, like, ah, I don't know." Like I haven't really allowed my mind to process it. Needless to say, I said all of that to say, I'm happy as hell he gone. And the reason I'm happy he's gone is because he wasn't happy no more.

Yeah.

And as a brother, I only want what's best for you.

Yeah.

Not what's best for me, not what's best for this team, not what's best for the organization. Like we spent so much time around each other. As you know, you spent more time around these guys than you, than, than you do your family. Yeah. And to see him unhappy, like the way I saw him unhappy last year, and I wouldn't even necessarily say unhappy. He was uneasy though. Like, like just bothered. And to see him now, for, to see someone that doesn't have a care in the world.

Hmm.

Like, like if you, if you walk around our organization and you say, yo, Tell me about Klay. Everybody would say to you, oh, he live in his own world.

Yeah.

And everybody cool with that. So to see someone that does not have a single care in the world, all of a sudden just like can't shake nothing.

Yeah.

That bothered me.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Like that, that, that to me was more far more hurtful than him leaving. Like to see somebody that just love to play basketball. Like that man love to play basketball. He love going on his boat and he love his dog. That's about it. And to see him like not happy with that thing.

Yeah.

It's time. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? And so I think it was time for him. I think it was time for the organization. Like we've been in the tax for 6 straight years. Nobody talk about that side of, you know what I'm saying? Like Klay left, we not in the tax no more. The organization get a chance to reset because at the end of the day, Regardless of how uneasy he was last year, regardless of how bothered he was, we built that organization.

That's a fact.

Facts. That organization was the laughingstock of the NBA. That's a fact, bro. And so in doing what we've done, there's still a care for the organization. Like we was just about to make some trades last week and I told them straight up like, yo, that trade helped me. Like it'll help me right now in my career these last, couple years and stuff, but I've always spoke to y'all from a place of what's best for this organization. I won't stop now.

Yeah.

That's a bad trade. Like, don't do that trade. Like, I disagree with it, although it's gonna help me right now.

Yeah.

And so what Klay just did, and nobody will give him credit for what Klay just did, is he just released, he just relieved this organization outta financial hardships that the organization was starting to face. Right? You still doing for the organization. But nobody will say that. Nobody will say him leaving because they'll only make it about, ah, he was unhappy. Which again, he wasn't the happiest last year. But by the way, you've been through this shit. Who is? This is a hard job, man.

Yeah, that's fair.

Like you go through it and for a guy that's been happy for 12 straight years to have one unhappy year, I think we'll all do just that. But in saying that, he provided cap relief for this organization on his way out. You know what I'm saying? Got some picks sent back to the organization on his way out. And I believe in second round picks. I got no choice but to believe in second round picks. You know what I'm saying? So I'm happy for him. I'm happy he left because I never, I did not enjoy at all seeing him the way I saw him last year.

Yeah.

Because he can care less whether the sky is blue or green on a daily basis. But now every day something is at him. Yeah. That wasn't fun to watch. So it was good for him. It was good for everybody.

But that 31 looked crazy.

It's disgusting. It's nasty. Whatever that is, it's crazy.

31.

But that 31 looked nuts.

Somebody said to me like, yo, 31, that's Reggie Miller number. And I said, yeah. But he Clay Thompson.

Yeah, Clay better than Raymond Green.

Clay Thompson don't even know how to work.

Clay outta pocket.

Right.

For wearing 31.

And then Festus and Zeely wore 31.

Yeah.

Yeah. And like Festus tried to go at me on Instagram. Like, what's wrong with 31? I'm like, you wore it.

Shout out to Festus, bro. We seen him at, we did a—

Oh, he's in.

Yeah, that's why this is my nigga right here.

But he outta pocket fast.

Watch your mouth. You outta pocket fast.

We won a championship together. We was drafted together. But if you wore the number, Klay probably shouldn't wear the number. He's like, well, you, you, you're wearing MJ's 23. It worked out for you. And quite frankly, Spence, MJ is top 2 ever in the NBA history. Mm-hmm.

Top 2. Hold on. Top 2. Hold on. Hold on.

What you mean? There's a guy named LeBron James that's number 1. So he top 2.

Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on.

Oh, I'm gonna let you keep going. Go ahead, go ahead.

Is it a landslide? Is your speech over?

So here's the thing.

You was on your third good Marshall shit. We didn't wanna interrupt you.

He top 2. The gap between Michael Jordan and me—

It's close.

Is far smaller than the gap between Klay Thompson and Festus Azili.

Facts.

MJ top 2 and I'm not top 100. But the gap between us 2 and the gap between Festus Azili— It's a nigga, it's just a nigga at 100.—

that you better than.

Possibly. But the point of the gap, like MJ is MJ. And the gap between me and him and Klay and Festus, it's like— That's why I hate Festus. This is why we can't get no fucking guests. 'Cause the damn guests we get come over here, y'all think it's us.

Respectfully, Festus said that's my numbers outta pocket. That's crazy.

What's wrong with 31? Hello? Did you wear this Reggie Gump ass? It's a big man with bad hands. That's what's wrong with 31.

I love this. I see what you did in Kentucky that year, bro. You played really well against my brother in there, bro.

I love you, but you had to get it 'cause there was no point in you coming and talking about what's wrong with 31. Look at Klay in 31. Get number 1. Get number 10. Kyrie got 11. Cool. Get it. I get that. No problem. 31?

That's— Yeah, I didn't like 31.

That's crazy.

We hate the Jordan and Bron debate, but I just want to ask you like what separates them on the court to you?

What separates them on the court to me is— To make you give Bron the push. What separates them on the court to me is I think number one, Bron's intention to make, Bron's intention to make people better. The guys that LeBron has made better, like, did you see them play without him?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, come on.

But he was an all-star with LeBron.

But Booby Gibson. Exactly. He's a household name.

And he was intentional about making those guys better. MJ made guys better just because of how good he was.

Yeah.

It wasn't like, ah, I think this way, so I'm gonna do this to get this guy this. No, you just so good. That then that guy can get off of how good you are. Yeah. And I think that's a different thing. I also think a 2-year break in the middle of a crazy run is like, that's, that's heaven on earth. Like to, like to, to have 2 years off from this thing that we do in the middle of a run and then come back and keep like, But like, you can't act like he just went 6 in a row. Like, but he wasn't gonna play baseball and came back in a crazy sport. I love, I, I love baseball. I'm a big Yankee fan, but they, they body ain't going— they play a lot of games. Yeah, they body not going through.

All right, but imagine, imagine you take 2 years off and you don't pick up a ball and you start doing something else trying to be good at that. You start playing pickleball and you like, fuck it, I'm gonna go all in on pickleball.

I agree, by the way. I ain't Michael Jordan.

And you still the best in the world.

But you still the best in the world, bro.

When you come back.

But I mean, I wanna be like Mike. That's Michael Jordan. However, A, MJ crazy. Yeah, for sure. I don't think he ever put the basketball down. Like, in my opinion, I just don't think so.

I don't believe that either.

He crazy like that.

I think he went all in on baseball to try to be good.

Because of how competitive he is.

I don't believe that he didn't play basketball.

No, because how competitive he is— to Jeff's point, he wanted to be so good at that that he locked in. He was so good at basketball, I can come back and do this. Them niggas can't fuck with me.

I think he did, but I think he quickly realized, I'm not as good at this thing as this. Let me pick this ball back up.

Yeah, I mean, after a while he probably was like, yeah.

You kind of weak at basketball. You look like me at Michigan State football. MJ, baseball.

Hey, that's a great— I got a question for that too.

Yo, can I just Ante Bacubo highlights of you at Michigan State?

That's crazy.

I swear to God. How they clipped you up on YouTube?

Killed. It was crazy with the music. The music make it work. The soundtrack make it work. Detroit music. That's great.

Oh, we going to keep talking about the MJ stuff, but when we get to that, I got a great question for you. No, go ahead, we here. No, cuz you know how Austin Rivers said 30 people could play—

Yes.

Football, or basketball players can play football. Like, you tried it in college. I did not. Do you think like 30 NBA players can play football?

They lied to y'all. I really didn't try to play football.

What was you doing?

What happened was, this is a real exclusive, by the way. I just talked about this on Baron Davis' podcast, by the way.

He did, he.

So what happened was, y'all football team weak at Wake, so I don't know if this is—

Nah, we not weak, bro. We not weak.

Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

Y'all very tapped in, bro. We in the top 25. We not weak. We not weak.

And when I was there, we was top 10.

Top 10.

No, fuck this. Tell your story. So y'all, so when you were there, did y'all team go to bowl games?

Yeah, we went to the Peach Bowl. Orange Bowl. We went to the Orange Bowl.

We went to the Orange Bowl.

Y'all went to the Orange Bowl?

We went to the Orange Bowl. We had a top 5 pick. We had Aaron Curry, he was top 5 pick. Aaron Curry.

Who?

Aaron Curry. He went to Oakland, matter of fact. His top 5 pick was Draymond Green. Check him outta the motherfucker, man.

Hey, don't do AC like that. Check him outta the motherfucker.

He retired after 4 years.

So this is what happened. Over Christmas break, you know, nobody's on campus.

Yeah.

We still have games and the team come and like get announced at the game at halftime or at a timeout to announce their bowl game before they take off for the bowl game. So they came over to announce their bowl game during the game. And I said to Coach D at the time, Coach Dantonio was the coach. I said, Coach D, I wanna play in the spring game. And in my mind I'm just like, I just wanna play because I know this is my last opportunity ever in life to play football. Yeah. I just wanna go out there and play a couple plays. He's like, all right, cool. This is December. So fast forward to March or April, whenever the spring game was, it was on a Thursday. On Monday, I went to his office like, Coach D, you told me I could play in the spring game. He's like, all right, cool. Come out to practice tomorrow. We got practice Tuesday, Wednesday off, the game on Thursday. Perfect. I was at practice. They gave me the weakest shoulder pass ever.

Mm-hmm.

I thought nothing of it because I was just excited to go play. So they got me out there looking like an offensive lineman. No problem. When I look back on it, it was all a setup. Shoulder pads was fucked up. I ain't have good cleats. Like, they had me out there looking bad. It was all a setup. It was crazy. All a setup.

Ballplayer trash.

Before the VC. Oh, come on.

It's wild.

NCAA player. It was crazy.

That nigga was built like Joker out there with them pads on.

And what made it bad, they clipped you up against Draymond Green in Kentucky during the warmups, so they had the virtual—

I'm trying to go home. That's crazy. By the way, I'm gonna tell you, when I get to this end of the story, you're gonna know why me and Drake not the same. Because Drake just sucked at basketball. I wasn't there. I did something in football in that game that was special. I'm gonna get there. So, but here's, so start with the pass. I ain't think nothing of it. I look back on it now like, you fucking idiot. But anyway, I go out to practice and they showing me all this stuff. Like, man, if somebody pressed up on you, you swipe like this and go through, you come here, swipe down, go, you. And so I'm like, okay, cool, cool. Like they showing me all this stuff. Then they like, yo, if the linebacker is 6 yards off the line of scrimmage, then you need to run a 7 and out, but 7 yards and out. But if he 5 yards off, you need to go 6 and in. I'm like, yo, so y'all want me to be counting these little dots on this line, these little lines on this field? Counting how many yards he is. By the way, what if I misjudge a little? And so it was number one, I realized right away, A, why so many freshmen redshirt in football.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm. The learning curve is insane. And B, I gained a lot of appreciation for quarterbacks. And I understand why sometimes the quarterback throw the ball way over there and be looking at the receiver that's over there like, yo, what the fuck you doing? One of y'all miscommunicating. —something.

Yeah.

So we go on, we go to practice. They show me all the stuff. Boom. Practice in. Thursday I come for the game. Boom. They tell me, you gonna run this play. You gonna line up at tight end. This is your route. Boom. We get to the huddle. Quarterback says, we going on set, hit. We going on set, hit. I got my route. I'm excited as hell. I'm ready to go. Get in my 3-point stance. I ain't looking at the ball. I'm excited as shit. I'm about to go catch a pass. I forgot all fundamentals. How you look at the ball when it snap. No, none of that. So I'm looking ahead and I got this big ass defensive, uh, DN lined up over me. So I'm like, I just gotta get by him and then I'll go catch this pass. The entire offensive line and the entire defensive line yells, hit, hit. I take off. Paul Starr.

Wait, wait, out there like radio.

Oh God. Now mind you, A, linemen aren't even allowed to talk. It's a penalty. B, how the hell does the defensive line know we going on hit? It's a setup. They like, all right, again, I don't notice it then in the moment. I'm like, man. They set up. So they like, all right, you gonna line up at receiver this next play. And at the time we got this cornerback, his name's Johnny Adams, buck 80, buck 85, soaking wet, 5'11", animal, All-American. So number one, why are y'all putting y'all best corner?

Oh God.

There's a great wide receiver lined up on the other side. Why is he over here on me?

That's the same.

Nonetheless, if this is the line of scrimmage, bruh, right here. So I'm thinking to myself like, why is he so close to this line? I don't know. I'm about to go catch this pass. I'm excited. Remember, they taught me all the things. I don't know. Hit. I take off. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Jam me up crazy. I'm like, oh, this why he was so close to the line. So now what they don't tell you, see where they cut the video off at is, 'cause he held me for 10 yards. So I picked up a first down in a college football game. But they don't tell you that. They just—

Hell nah, they don't.

Yeah, it's a setup. So I never really, I never tried to play football in college. I just wanted, I knew that was my last opportunity in life to do it. And so I went out there for 2 plays, but they got people thinking like, "Oh man, he was trying to play and he sucked." Like, nah, to Austin Rivers' point, which I understood what he was saying.

I did too.

Like, he's right.

Yeah.

I don't think, I am not of the assumption that you can just take 30 players right now from the NBA and say, all right, tomorrow you're in an NFL game. I don't think that.

Yeah.

What I do think is there are 30 players that you can find in the NBA that if you taught them a football skill set, that they can. Could play football. There are not 30 players in the NFL that you can find and teach them a basketball skill set and they can come into the NBA. And you know how I know that? Because all of the skill positions are basketball players that fail and wasn't good enough. And then they went over there and played football. Yeah, that's a fact. Because they could go do that. You could go run out because you're athletic and catch a pass and get open and do these things. And so I got the utmost respect for football players and their sport. But I do get what Austin Rivers was saying.

I do too.

And you cannot take 30 players from the NFL and make them NBA players. Nah, you don't.

That's a lot. 'Cause all them niggas hoop like they been to the pen before.

Yeah.

They all hoop like they got dreads.

Yeah, everybody hoop just too strong, too tough. I've never seen an NFL player just like Ray Allen.

My man that went to Michigan State for a second though, he can hoop though.

It's a lot of people that can hoop.

He a receiver, he just got drafted this year. Receiver that just got drafted. Oh, Keon Coleman.

Yeah, yeah.

He could hoop.

Yeah, he did.

He could hoop for sure.

But I mean, I ain't saying he was league, but—

He was one of, oh boy, no, I take that back. What's my boy? He was raw in high school for the Bengals. The receiver.

T. Higgins?

T. Higgins. T. Higgins.

Dumbbell.

No, I seen him in person. No, but he could really hoop though.

NBA is crazy.

Not NBA. Y'all way too good.

It's a different skill.

But for y'all to go out there and take a kid —like how they had you.

Nah, I'm cool.

You are a proficient Hall of Fame NBA player.

How they had you looking, I said, "Yeah, shit's crazy." When they put you in the version, in the side-by-side with Draymond Green and Lamelo, I said, "All right, this is where we gotta draw a line. They can't do Draymond like that, bro." Yeah, it's crazy.

So the gospel is, Drake's airballing in warmups. At least I picked up a first down.

Yeah, nah, you athletic. Draymond crazy.

Since we speaking about Drake though, you in a Cali, You listen to music, Drake, you cool with Drake, I'm sure. Yeah. What you think about Kendrick and Drake?

Family. Listen, I'm a music fan.

For sure.

I enjoy watching them brothers spar.

Yeah, for sure.

Go back and forth. I think what Kendrick did was diabolical. I think Kendrick was, way more strategic. It was kind of like, it was kind of like, one person in Kendrick was like, oh, I'm about to destroy you. And one guy was like, oh, this is fun.

Yeah. Like, ah, you can't fuck with this.

You know what I'm saying? Like, this is fun. And by the time he realized it wasn't just fun, it was too late.

Yeah.

And Kendrick as a lyricist, it's crazy.

Bar none.

Like, I mean, out of this world.

Yeah.

And so what I think is, A, on top of Kendrick being the lyricist that he is, he was way more strategic.

Man.

Like the way he was dropping the songs, like, come, oh, you just dropped one. He never— he was so strategic that Drake actually dropped great records.

Yeah.

He never gave you a chance to even listen to it.

'Cause Family Matters is far.

It's insane.

But in 10 minutes it was just like, "Never mind, meet the Grammys." It was like, "Oh, I forgot this happened." And then after Meet the Grammys, the next day, he come with "They Not Like Us." And so he was way more strategic on top of him being the great lyricist that he is. And listen, "They Not Like Us" is actually probably gonna be bigger, but it's the new "California Love." Yeah. It's crazy. In 20 years, you turn that song on and people will still be bopping. I was at a wedding last week and DJ played it once just to see where the crowd was, right? And he's like, "Oh." So then his next song was like, "Oh, I'm gonna turn them up then." He went back to "They Not Like Us" maybe an hour later and played it 4 times in a row. And on the 4th time, people was dancing like it was the 2nd time they ever heard the song. Meaning the 1st time you heard it, you like, "Oh man, this is fire." The 2nd time you like, "I'm turnt." People was turnt on the 4th time in a row that they played it, which was the 5th time all night, like it was the 2nd time they heard the song. And I was just like, "Man." And by the way, white people dancing to this, Black people dance to this, purple, green, yellow, It don't matter who you are. It's cultures that don't even have a clue of what he's talking about. Yeah. And like they're bopping to the song. And so I just think, me personally, I think what the world need to see and what the world is waiting to see is like to see Drake accept the song.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm. And I think personally he needs to accept the song because the reality is you gotta get past the things that he's saying, right? Like he's saying some darn things about you. However, where you gotta accept is you also said some darn things about him.

Facts.

Right? So it's all fair, fair game because both of y'all was shooting at family, shooting at kids, shooting at wives.

Niggas was outta pocket.

Like everybody was shooting everywhere. So you kind of gotta get past what he's saying, I think he needs to like admit that it's a great record.

Yeah.

Because what I think, what I think right now, as someone who's been through their fair share of blunders, um, what I think right now is I think the record got a hold of Drake, and the only way you can get away from the record is to say, no, that's a great record. And like, man, I'll dance to it too. 'Cause like even you hear the beat.

That beat. That's what we was trying to tell him. He told us that. He said that shit ain't about to get played nowhere.

I didn't say it wasn't going to.

At his parties.

At his function.

Hold on. Yeah. So hold on, Draymond. I know you want to speak. I know you itching like a motherfucker with chickenpox. This is what I said. The lyrics in the song, 100%, he murdered him. I just don't, I don't like the beat. I think I'm okay to say that. It just doesn't grab me like that.

That beat is crazy. Over your head.

Oh my God.

Nah, I'm not over your head. I'm not, I don't, I don't even really like light-skinned people. I barely like you. You family. You feel me? But I just really think like the beat just don't. The Kendrick on Future with Metro on them is a better beat to me.

Oh, that beat crazy.

I like that.

Here's the thing though.

They Not Like Us is a bigger record because of how it's been marketed, bro.

How it's been marketed, but also again, and why I said Kendrick is diabolical, that is a West Coast beat.

Mm-hmm.

Like, I get it. And so with it being a West Coast beat, like—

He made it.

He made it to where it's like, yo—

You gotta fuck with the West Coast.

West Coast versus you.

Yeah.

Like not LA, not Compton. Yeah. He made it West Coast.

And that's why he definitely won to me 100%. I'm just saying me, I live in Indianapolis, Midwest, like you. You were from motherfucking Saginaw.

Absolutely.

You feel me? That shit just doesn't—

when I hear— I hear what you say.

When I hear the other record with Metro and them, it's more of that don't scare the hoes. If I see a girl sea walking in my party, At my party, I got niggas built like you as security. I'm asking her to leave. You know what I'm saying? That's not really my type of vibe. But I get it. It's a bigger record, bro. Go crazy, Kendrick. You one of the GOATs to me.

For sure. But you should ask him who else come to his parties though. How they come. You should ask him.

Well, this is not appropriate for that. Mike is snapping like T-Pain over there. So we can move forward. I'll tell you after the show.

I'll shoot you. He ain't got a problem. What you got next for us?

Shout out to Portia. Hey, he family, bro. He family, bro. You know how we pop.

Before we get outta here, man, a lot of crazy moves happen. Obviously we mentioned Klay, you know what I'm saying? Going to the Mavs. Sixers fucking got a BBL with this whole fucking roster. What's some teams you feel like really went crazy this offseason so far?

I think the Sixers has done a good job. I think, you know, with the players they added, PG, Caleb Martin, Draymond Green, Drummond.

Yeah.

I think they had a really good offseason. They had a bunch of, they had a bunch of cap space and they capitalized on it. I still don't think they're gonna beat the Celtics, win a championship. I don't, I still don't think that. And then also locking in your superstar point guard for the long haul. Yeah. Like the Sixers had a really big summer. I think, I think Dallas adding Klay is gonna be huge because I also think Klay's gonna have a great year.

Yeah. I hope.

And I hope he does too. It's one of my favorite.

I hope he does too. Yeah.

And so I think that's big. I think, I think the Knicks getting Mikal Bridges is a great pickup.

Man.

I don't think it puts them over the top. Over the hump. Because I still think in order to get over the hump, you gotta have one of them guy guys. Like, you know, like Steph Curry, LeBron James, Joker, Jayson Tatum. Like, that's a different level of guy.

Yeah, for sure.

And I think in order to get over the hump, you have to have those types of guys. I think the Knicks, what they've done is like,— they're gonna have— they're gonna be so hard to beat in the regular season, but then it's gonna get to a point to where you need one of them guy guys.

Who gonna score?

And where I will say I respect Jalen Brunson for taking the $154 million is you gonna allow that team to be in the running to go get one of them guys.

One of them guys. Yeah.

And if they can, then you got action. But right now, I don't think they're a championship team.

Do you think the real JR can be one of them guys?

Uh, Julius Randle. There you go, Draymond. I think Julius Randle is a good player. I think Julius Randle is an all-star, but Julius Randle ain't Joker, Steph, LeBron.

Nah, nah, I ain't saying that. I'm just saying, do you think like them two combined can be a Joker or a Steph?

With the supporting cast.

I think them two combined is gonna make them a very good team, but I still think —As you know—

You see the competitive edge in him. That's his position. He like, yeah.

I think Atlanta's a very good team. I love that. You know, like you won a championship. Who was the guy guy on that team?

Giannis.

And so like Julius is damn good NBA player.

For sure.

Jalen Brunson is a damn good NBA player.

Hell yeah.

But I still don't think they one of them, one of those guys. They deep. And unfortunately in this league, 2 doesn't equal 1.

You right.

Damn. That's real.

That's a fact. I just don't think it does. I think both of them are gonna have great years in their own right. I think both of them will probably be All-Stars. But when it comes down to it in them playoffs and they take everything away from you.

Yeah.

You just gotta know how to go get a bucket no matter who's guarding you. And there's only really like 4 to 5 guys in this league that can do that thing.

That's real. How you feel about the additions y'all had with Buddy Hill?

I think they are good additions for us. I think, you know, Buddy Green shooting.

For sure.

De'Anthony Melton brings some shooting, some defense, some rim defender. I think that's good. And my, my, my love for SloMo as a player has been well documented. Nice. Yeah, it's all right. I think when a team, when you got him on the team, you just plug and play.

It's like now y'all got two of you. Like, you're like, it's crazy. I was like, damn, they know what they—

And he was playing the 5 in the postseason.

Yeah.

Crazy. And very well, very efficient. And that, it just makes perfect sense for y'all team.

I'm like, he's literally plug and play. By the way, if you need him to play some backup point, guess what he can do?

He can do that.

Yes, sir. He can play backup point. But by the way, if you need bro to go play the 4, go ahead.

Yeah, bro.

All right, bro, we need you at the 5. Not a fan. Go ahead. Like, he, he a plug-and-play type of guy. And so I think, um, I like the additions we made. Um, I'm not gonna get ahead of myself and be like, oh, we're a championship team. Like, in 2022, it all came together for us. And I, I thought we were losing the first round and it all came together for us. So I would never count us out. Like, but I also don't think —many of these teams outside of the Boston Celtics are championship teams either.

I think y'all gonna have a really, really good season. Like, I look at y'all as an underrated team. I know everybody count y'all out. Klay, it's like all the dynasty's over. But for some reason, the way y'all built it, I'm like, man, they got a lot of guys that's like jail guys.

Yes.

Like Buddy Hill can make shots. Like you said, Kyle is a great player. He can play, plug and play. And then I think y'all young guys like Trace, I think he's developing. And I think Shout out to Travis. His role playing with CP last year put him on a faster track. And same thing, I never can say his name right. Brandon Przydzinski. I never can. I was gonna call him BP.

No Bobby Portis.

I think he's gonna be, I think he got like a Dante DiVincenzo type of way he can be flashy.

Absolutely. Damn, that's a good comparison.

Yeah, like even though they both got red hair, it wasn't even that, but it's just like they remind me of that 'cause he can guard, he can make a shot and it's like. I think y'all got the buildings of a real good, like, gelling team.

I think so too. I think a lot of people forget we still got Wiggs on this team. Wiggs had a tough year last year.

Yeah. Yeah.

He went through a lot.

Which we all have, but you going through the stuff that he was going through.

Yeah, it's tough.

I'm not sure I'd be playing.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

You know, but no one, and it ain't nobody business what he's going through, but— Yeah., you know, tough dude for continuing to go through that season.

Yeah, 100%.

And so I think we'll get Wiggs from 2022 back. For sure.

For sure.

And then also who I'm more, more excited about than even my game is Jonathan Kuminga.

All right.

I think he's about to take that next step, put himself on the cusp of being an all-star. Whether you get the nod is if you're winning or not. So if we win it, maybe he does get the nod. But I think he's on the cusp. And so with that being said, like I said, I think we got a good mix of vets and experience and young guys and that could come together. And by the way, we got Steph Curry, we could win a championship anytime.

Yeah.

The guy. Because he's that good.

Yeah.

But it's not a championship team on paper and it's not a championship team starting the season. But it is a team that can grow into being a championship contender. And that's all you can ask for is to be a contender. If you a contender, you need one rolled ankle, you need, you know, anything happen. Motherfucker sprained a finger and can't dribble as good no more. Like that's the luck that you need. And so—

Shout out to the Pacers.

Mike Dunleavy done a good job.

They damn near died for them.

Yeah, the Pacers, they damn near made it to the finals off of all—

That little Draymond, you my dog, man. But when I seen that we a good regular season team, broke my heart, man. Broke my heart. But I'm happy we got to the Eastern Conference Finals. Finals, man. But you believe me? No, I'm a delusional fan.

Oh, I'm one of those. At least you're honest.

Oh yeah, for sure.

I'm 100 about it. I'm just like the delusional girlfriend.

Whoa, whoa, don't go that far.

Check this, check this. If y'all lose in the first round, you owe me Black Forces. You owe me them anyway.

Hold on, nigga, you getting them wrong.

That ain't no bet. Well, rewind.

And wait a minute, and you can't wear no no-shows with my shoes either. You gotta get you some middies. Them no shoes, you definitely steal with the no shoes. You got, that screaming Saginaw shoplifter. You gotta get you some middies.

Saginaw shoplifter. That's how you know he really part of the pod though.

'Cause that's how we start roasting each other.

So I want, I want, this is what you owe me. Y'all can make y'all a little bet. This is what you owe me. If y'all just say, I don't know, halfway through the season, you see it's like, damn, we ain't making the playoffs. I need you to really warm up and play in a pair of black Forces and white laces. Whatever bet you want to make, whatever. If y'all make the playoffs, 'cause I know y'all talked about y'all gonna be a good team. T got y'all on y'all Lil' Giants run potentially. I'mma show y'all. I'm nothing. So did y'all make the playoffs this year?

Little Giants?

So y'all gonna run it back. Whatever y'all did last year, y'all did it this year.

So if y'all make the playoffs, I owe you whatever. Little Giants make the playoffs, by the way, just so you know.

Yeah.

'Cause the West is deep, bro. Thicker than big booty Judy out there. If y'all don't make the playoffs, Black Forces, last game of the season. Steve Kerr, put this nigga in the game.

I'm gonna tell you right now, Adam Silver gonna see Draymond Green and then Black Forces and say, get him out the arena now.

Get this man out the fucking building ASAP. I'mma share a little tidbit with you though. After winning 4 championships and making the playoffs and losing in the first round, I'd rather not. Or second round.

You rather not what?

I'd rather go home and enjoy my summer.

Okay. Respect.

Than going to the first, second round and not having a real chance.

You solidified though. Maybe the guys want to go to the playoffs. You're young guys.

Nah, I mean we gonna do all we can to win a championship. But by the way, at no point are they gonna hear like, yo fellas, we gotta make the playoffs. Like, don't waste my time. Don't waste my time. We trying to win the championship. That's the talk. But making the playoffs, that's some Indiana Pacers talk.

That's tough. No, it is.

That's tough. It is.

That's tough. Am I lying? No, you got— You ain't got no argument here, brother.

That's some Indiana Pacers talk.

Talk to the nigga in the Sixers, the Draymond Green shorts.

Hey, I ain't gonna hold you. We hadn't won a playoff series since my son was born. My son was 9. I was very excited this year.

We've been going through some shit. Did y'all go to a game?

I did. I did. That's lit for sure. Had to support.

He works for them. That's crazy. Allegedly. Honestly, it was a good time, huh?

Of course. You know what I'm saying?

Good energy.

Of course. You know what I'm saying?

Good energy.

Great point guard.

Guess what? He about to lead Team USA.

Guess what?

What's up, man?

You know what's crazy?

What's happening?

I had a month extra summer to do the same thing they did.

Also, real shit, Draymond Green, I don't mean to cut you off. Are y'all better than the Pacers?

Are we better than the Pacers?

Yes.

We got Steph Curry.

100%.

That's a fact.

100%. Okay. 'Cause he think they better than the Knicks. Who else he say, Jeff? Milwaukee.

Oh, you know how it go. You said they better than Milwaukee.

I said last year we beat all they asses. That's all I said. I didn't say we was better, but we beat Milwaukee 5 times last year. I don't wanna hear nothing from Milwaukee.

Draymond Green would've beat y'all ass. We beat y'all 5 times.

What we talking about? He actually did beat y'all pretty bad in the playoffs.

Yes, bro.

We had an off night. It's okay.

Yeah.

We had an off night. No, I'm gonna tell you what happened. Let me tell you what happened. Story time with Draymond Green. Story time with Draymond, my first part of the show. What happened was, if you go back, back to 2000 and this was the '23-'24 season. So the 2022-'23 season, which would be Nimhard's rookie year, right?

Yes, sir.

All right.

Nimhard, if you go back and watch the game when we played the Pacers in the Bay.

Out.

Hit the game winner. Halliburton was out. And I'm almost positive he was out. He could have not been out. That's irrelevant. Nimhard, gave us hell. You hear me? Complete hell. And he was talking so crazy. And Steph was guarding him and the shots he was hitting, Steph would just turn and look like, yo, what? Like, and so he was talking so crazy. So in turn, what you then did was every time that guy see you now, he like, he could be sleepy. On a back to back to back to back. When he see you, he turned. So he at you now. Yes. And so what happened was Steph came out, I think, at like 24 in the first quarter. I remember. And so I said all of that to say, blame them hard, but y'all gonna have a hard time with us. Yeah, because Steph got an issue. Warriors in 4 versus the Pacers.

Steph got an issue.

—issue. He got a big issue. And I don't really know if there's any way to fix the issue except for him to stop playing basketball with me. 'Cause every time he see Nembhard— by the way, I love Nembhard's game, man. I think I told y'all, I like guys who get it out the mud. And he like, he got some shit to him. He get to it. He feisty than a motherfucker.

Yep.

But every time he see Steph Curry, he better buckle up.

And I'mma one-up you on that conversation. I don't know if you watched the game, but did you see the scrimmage?

The USA?

Yeah, Canada.

Yeah.

You see when Steph start cooking?

Yeah.

Yeah, look who was guarding.

Yeah, I'm telling you, every time he see him, every time, it's just like a light bulb gonna go off. And so that's gonna make it tough for y'all because when Steph go off, we don't like— difference between these dudes who be scoring like 60 and 70, they be losing. When Steph and Klay got 60 and 70, we only played 3 quarters. Damn.

That's a fact.

So when Steph go off, it's over. It's a wrap.

Yeah.

And so y'all gonna have a tough time with us.

Okay, y'all gonna get us in the bay, but y'all gotta pull up with the bridge though. We don't losing the bridge.

Y'all did this year.

Yeah, they beat y'all ass this year.

We gonna say, it's on camera. We gonna back the back forces up. We gonna bet it up. But listen, we gotta get up outta here. Draymond Green, appreciate you sliding on this big dog. You know you feel welcome any given time. Be here, tell the people where they can grab some merch at though.

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Yes, sir.

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