Lakers-Nuggets Game 4 reaction: LeBron's monster game not enough to beat Jokic | Draymond Green Show

What's up everybody? It's Draymond Green. Make sure you subscribe to The Volume's YouTube channel below so you don't miss any more of this great content going forward. What's up everybody? Welcome back to The Draymond Green Show. We are live on Amazon AMP, but as always, you can find all of our episodes wherever you get your podcasts at. Also, you know, the videos will be on The Volume's YouTube channel. So you can always check it out there if you don't get it here on app. But we are live and I hope you tapped in. The Nuggets just completed the sweep versus the Los Angeles Lakers on the Lakers floor, headed to the NBA Finals for the first time in NBA history. And on the other side, we got a sweep happening. It's going on. It's happening. Uh, the Miami Heat are up 3-0. On the Boston Celtics. Now, something that I found very, very, very interesting is like, I think this is the third time in four years the Miami Heat and the Celtics are playing against each other. And that's really been back and forth. And so there's something to think about with that series, but we'll get back to that. If you had either one of these teams winning the series, which some people definitely had Denver winning this series. I don't think anyone had Miami winning the series. In saying that, if you did, there's no way you had it this way. Like, even the smartest of the smartest didn't have it this way. Like, there's just no way you had it this way. The Lakers getting swept.

Yeah.

And Miami sweeping Boston like you just didn't, it didn't follow the script. How great have the playoffs been so far? You've heard me talk about all of these matchups and it's only gonna get better. If you're in a city that's still in it, you have to experience this for yourself. I know you've heard me say that, but I promise there is nothing like a playoff game live and in person. And Game Time is the way to get there. For last minute amazing deals on tickets to your favorite NBA team, check out GameTime, the fastest growing ticketing app in the US. And it doesn't stop with the NBA. GameTime has tickets to MLB, NHL, even concerts and comedy shows too. Download the GameTime app and redeem code GREEN for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Again, download the GameTime app and enter code GREEN. That's G-R-E-E-N. For $20 off. No matter where you live, get out and have some fun this week. Download GameTime today. Last-minute tickets, lowest price guaranteed. We're talking scripts. That definitely wasn't the script. So for all the script lovers out there, burn— the script has been burned. Like, it definitely didn't follow the script. Um, no, but seriously, I mean, I'm shocked. Like, I did, I definitely thought that there was a chance that the Nuggets could win the series. Like, they're the number one, number one seed all year. So you thought there was a chance, but I didn't think that they would sweep the Lakers. I'll tell you what though, I knew, I mean, obviously down 3-0, but even before 3-0, 2-0, I knew it was some trouble brewing. When I start seeing tweets like, "Mo Bamba will be back." Like, "Mo Bamba will be clear soon." Like, what? Like, listen, Mo Bamba's a good basketball player. I don't take nothing away from Mo Bamba. But Mo Bamba has missed like the last 4 or 5 weeks at least. And Mo Bamba has never played in a playoff game. Unless I'm just crazy, I don't think Mo Bamba has come near the playoffs. And so like to think that Mo Bamba was gonna come back and be the savior. When I saw people tweeting like, Mo Bamba, be expected that Mo Bamba gonna be available. I'm sitting there looking like, no way this result, like this is what this has come down to. Mo Bamba coming back? That has zero playoff experience. He about to come back in the NBA Conference Finals and have an impact? Come on. Now who did have an impact was Tristan Thompson. Tristan Thompson came in, he gave complete energy. When I saw the Tristan Thompson iso with a minute and 40 seconds to go in the third quarter, it was like, whoa. I got a lot of love for Double T. Draymond Green, sure, alumnus, NBA champion, works his ass off, always have. Got nothing but love and respect for Double T. But when I saw the iso with a minute 40 to go, and I'm like, yo, come on. Like, now from there, Double T went on to do what he does. You know, he rebounded, he made energy plays, um, and ones off drop-off, defended. Uh, the one possession really stuck out to me where he stopped it and then got back and forced the He forced the airball from Joker. He had another play where Bron ended up getting a foul on Jeff Green on the offensive rebound. Jeff Green was offensive rebounding where he played great defense. Like he brought great energy to the floor. And Tristan Thompson is like, like there's like, he's a part of the much bigger problem in the NBA, which is.

Draymond Green.

Like you just watched Tristan Thompson for all the 5, 6 minutes, maybe 8 to 9 minutes in this game. And like you can't tell me that guy is not a serviceable NBA player on 20 other teams in the NBA. And yet he spent the entire year not on a team. When you got teams struggling with leadership, struggling with veteran presence, struggling with people with winners' mentalities. And like, you had that guy sitting the entire year. That is actually a huge problem in the NBA. It's why we see a lot of the things we see as far as like off-court issues, 'cause there's no veterans. There's no veterans showing these dudes how to move, showing them the way. So you think you're just gonna go young and you think that's just gonna work. Like, that shit don't work.

Yeah.

And so Tristan is a part of a much larger issue in the NBA. Like we, like, come on. And like, let's, after this season, free agency will start July 1st. No one will be calling Tristan Thompson's phone, but you'll be employing these bums. It goes back to the conversation that DeMar and PG was having on PG's podcast. Maybe this week or last week when they were discussing Bron's tweet. And I agree, like there's so many dudes in the NBA that don't know how to hoop, that suck, that don't love the game of basketball, all of that. And like then you got like a Tristan Thompson who's serviceable. You know what you're gonna get, gonna rebound on both ends, gonna defend, gonna screen, gonna dive. That's what you getting. There's teams that can use that. And then also you tack on the veteran presence that teams that need that. So that was my thoughts on that. Something that happened when Tristan got the and-1, like no one, Tristan was hyped, like nobody else on the Lakers was hyped. And like, that's not some issue where it's like, yo, they don't bang with Tristan. Like, let's not be messy. That was more of like, they didn't believe anymore. Like you could see they didn't believe. Like the spirit wasn't there. Bron came out, man, 40, I think 11, 10 boards, 9 assists. And 31 in the first half and he was gassed. He left it all out there in the first half, had nothing in the third quarter. And in turn, that was his point. Like they were up 15, right? Remember we discussed they need a heavy dose of Bron pick and roll, of Bron on the ball, of Bron making everything happen. But let's face it, the reality is this guy's 38 years old in his 20th NBA season. How much of that can he really give you? So then you need Anthony Davis to take the game over, right? Like, that's like, because Bron can only give you so much of that at 38. And like, AD didn't. AD to me looked gassed. Bron looked gassed. That team has been on a playoff run for 3 months. Since the trade deadline, they've been on a playoff run, like chasing the playoffs, trying to get there, climbing uphill. It was very similar to us. I think back to like January where we like, yo, we can really make a push for the playoffs right now. And like every, the whole way from then, it's like playoffs, like, ah, let down this game because we could have put ourself in this position. Let down that game. Ah. And like, so that team looked gassed. They looked exhausted. They looked like they didn't believe anymore, but they looked absolutely exhausted. Bron, like I said, had the incredible first half and it was just nothing else there. I thought Schroeder did a great job in the second quarter of once he picked up that third foul of continuing to defend and not picking up another foul. That was a huge reason why they had the 15-point lead. Schroeder was doing a really good job defensively. And no, he wasn't gonna lock Draymond Green down. Like, you're not locking guys down. By the way, for all of y'all out there that was like, "Oh man, the Lakers lost and Draymond won't do a podcast." Like, I play for the Golden State Warriors. Some of you people are so pathetic in like the beliefs you allow yourself to believe. And I can absolutely understand why life don't be so great because the beliefs that you allow like to enter your mind about someone else really is a reflection of what you believe and think of yourself and like how you operate in things. So I thought that was a very interesting thing that people were like, "Oh man, they lost and like Draymond don't wanna talk, he's hurt." Like what? But actually, I'm on vacation and, um, having a margarita. So cheers to all of you. Margarita made with Lobos Tequila. Um, absolutely incredible. Um, but like I said, anyway, toast to all of you, uh, that that was your whatever. However, a lot of people better be lucky I took the weekend off. It was actually my first weekend to have an off Like first weekend having like completely off since September. Like no work. Like I know you all know like I do like basketball, like that's my day job. But like podcasting, this is a job too. And so like I have not had a weekend off since September. So we took this weekend off and Jackson kind of forced me to take the weekend off, which I was kind of pissed off about, but I let it ride. So y'all can blame this on Jackson who probably didn't want me talking because he knew I had some things to say about them Boston Celtics. And boy, we still gonna get to that. But anyway, back to the Laker game. Down the stretch, I was shocked that the Denver Nuggets didn't go back to that Jamal Murray joker pick and roll that they diced the Lakers up with at the end of game 3. They didn't really go to that. They went to more of a set where Murray was popping up top, off, he was setting like a UCLA screen. For those of you who don't know, UCLA was famous for setting the screen up the lane. Like, so the guy goes up the lane line, he sets a back screen for the guy to come off on the lane line. And so they were setting that and Joker was going to the post. Jeff Green was on the wing and, or Aaron Gordon was on the wing and Draymond Green was popping up top. And that's the play they went to down the stretch. That caused all kinds of trouble for the Lakers. And when the Lakers needed most a stop, AD had a very tough time with Joker this entire series. And when they needed to stop the most, he had— AD isolated and he scored. But he had a very, very, very tough time with Joker this series. And I spoke about that at the beginning of this series, just talking about how moving AD away from the rim, Joker would be able to cause AD some issues. And— Yeah. When he did, he definitely caused AD some issues. I thought AD came alive later in the game. So a couple big blocks, a couple big offensive rebounds, drop-off shots, floaters, dunks, getting to the free throw line. I thought he really, you know, gave a push, a great push there towards the end, but a little too late because if he had that same force as Bron was rolling, they could have really extended that lead. They were up at 15 at halftime, got outscored by 21 points in the third quarter. And a bulk of that was just Bron off the ball and watching everybody else work. Because again, to do that for 48 minutes, it's hard for someone of average age in the NBA. It's definitely hard for someone at 38. And so at the time they needed that the most when the game started getting away, they just, there was nowhere to pull from.

So when something like that happens, obviously they need Bron on the floor, but Bron would've been better off getting like a minute rest here, 2 minutes rest there. What's the calculus as a coach? You're obviously not a coach, but what do you, if you're going into this game thinking about, can you get Bron some rest here and there? Like, is he that much more effective with the rest? Is it worth it to get him the rest or is it worth it for him to be a little bit more tired, but at least on the floor doing his sort of micromanaging of the game?

So what you end up going up against is like, you also have players who are competitive as shit. And like, Bron may be telling you, I'm not coming outta the game. And what you gonna do? You gonna sit him? Like, that could create some like bumping of heads. And if LeBron James say, I'm staying in the game, like, you gotta leave him in the game. Now, personally, a couple minutes of rest may help. But it can go all the way wrong as well. And once you see it start going wrong, you can't then say, once they on the run, well, actually we're gonna take Bron out now because he looks like he needs a little rest. Well, they're starting to run now. And the only chance we have to stop that run is Bron eventually taking the game back over. And like I said, there was just nothing there to draw from. I think another issue that they had is Aaron Gordon was active as hell. So whereas Bron was sometimes, Aaron Gordon guarding Joker, guarding Michael Porter Jr. at times, guarding Jamal Murray at times. Aaron Gordon had a huge game after having some terrible games this series. Very tough games, a few tough games for him. The biggest game he stepped up. Like the closeout game, that's the hardest game to win. And he stepped up, he hit 3 threes where they're playing off of him, total disrespect, and he knocked 3 of them down. Down the stretch, he put so much pressure on their defense with his dives to the rim because you had to have AD and Bron in the action with Jamal and Joker. And then on the backside, you got Schroder, you got— Draymond Green. Reeves, I think you had Rui at one point, but my point is you didn't have your size on the backside. So then on the backside, Aaron Gordon's diving to the paint and he's ending up like one time he started diving to the paint, Schroeder kind of came off his body because he knew he was dead. So he was anticipating the switch, but—

Yeah.

It's one thing if that's Draymond Green or AD he's switching with, it's Austin Reeves. So Austin Reeves switching there against Aaron Gordon, he's dead. And so that really hurt them. And his pressure on the rim put a lot of pressure on their defense because their two guys that can protect the rim were in the action. So there's no backside help. And Aaron Gordon took total advantage of that, had a very big game. And those guys were able to put the Lakers away. When I do these, I have this rundown for all of you who's checking this Amp out. And Jackson sometimes has these questions on here. And one of the questions that Jackson has on here is, what do the Lakers do now? It's interesting because you have Rui's a free agent. You got Austin Reeves as a free agent. I know for certain Austin Reeves is restricted. I think Nruwi may be restricted too.

I'm pretty sure they're both restricted.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he is as well. And so you got that, you got D'Lo who's a free agent. Obviously Schroeder's a free agent because he didn't, he signed a 1-year deal. And as I said some episodes ago, maybe during, at the end of our series, like Dennis Schroder gonna deserve to get some money. And it'll be interesting to see like if people would just follow that narrative of when he didn't take the contract with, because once you end up on a minimum, it's hard to get off. Like in this league, it's hard to get off a minimum once you're on that. And the reality is he outplayed it severely, like dramatically outplayed it. But it's hard to get off. So another team just like, oh, we can, we can wait around and probably get him on the minimum. And you're waiting on one team to jump. Quite frankly, I think he's very good for the Lakers and Darvin Ham really, really, really trusts him. Really trust him. And so as you can see by the start tonight. So they got some decisions to make. Where do they go from here? Uh, I think they're definitely bringing Rui back unless he gets some crazy offer sheet that makes it tough to match. I think they'll bring Austin Reeves back, but I think they'll wanna lowball Austin Reeves. And I think if he gets a crazy offer sheet, like, can you then bring him back? If you don't bring those guys back, how much cap space does it open for you? And does it allow you to go out and get someone, i.e., Kyrie Irving sitting on the sidelines again? Can you get Kyrie? If so, at what number, at what amount of years? Because those are some of the issues that Kyrie's gonna be up against. As we all know, Kyrie is a supermax player. Kyrie's incredible. But, you know, the things have been the things, and I'm sure people will answer those questions, ask those questions when deciding on a deal. So it'll be interesting to see what they do. I think, I know they'd love to have both of those guys back, but then if it's at the cost of like, oh, we can get Kyrie Irving and not, then you gotta fill out the roster still. You still got Vando coming back, obviously AD and Bron. So we'll see. It's interesting for them as it is interesting for a lot of teams. It's gonna be a very, I think every time we say we gonna see a summer of a bunch of movement in NBA, like no one moves. But I think this is gonna be like a crazy active summer. Like it's just so many decisions to be made. And with these like salary cap spikes coming up and like, you know, new TV deals and super maxes being reached, I can see a lot of movement this summer.

I agree.

I would not be shocked. I would be shocked if it's not a lot of movement, but like I said, it always happens that way. Anyway.

I feel like it's more exciting with the movement for the, or for the summer because there's gonna be a lot of movement and it's gonna be a lot of the big teams. Warriors have a lot of decisions to make. Lakers have a lot of decisions to make. Celtics seem like now they have some decisions to make. Two of those four teams are in the conference finals. It's not just like, oh, who are the big creators gonna sign to on these? Medium-tier teams, not to cast any dispersions, but it's like the big players in the NBA have huge decisions to make.

Oh, for sure. And then you got teams like a Dallas that have like superstar talent on their team that maybe weren't as good of a team or whatnot, but like a superstar talent and always feel like you're one right piece away when you got superstars. And so there's a lot of decisions to be made. And I think because of that, there will be a lot of movement. Um, and it'll get interesting. We'll see what happens. But, uh, anyway, that is it for the Lakers on their season. Um, and yeah, man, Denver punished them boys. God, get your brooms out. That's a wrap on that one. Now let's get into this Heat-Celtics thing because As you all know, I'm always watching the game within the game. Like, the game is cool, like, and it's fun, and it is what it is, but the game within the game, like, that's the fun part. And there has been some games within the game in this Boston-Miami series. Number 1, uh, Grant Williams— Draymond Green. Grant Williams started talking crazy to Jimmy Butler. Grant Williams then got destroyed by Jimmy Butler, not only in Game 2 where he starts talking crazy, but then Jimmy Butler is at you every time you end up on him. And it's not ending well for Grant. And you know, you know when you know it's not going well for something. After the game, Grant started talking about, "Man, my mama and my daddy taught me to do this, and I can't go back home with my mom and—" And I'm like, my man started talking about the morals and values that he grew up on. Like, bro, you just got dropped off by Jimmy Butler. Like, we didn't question how you was raised, my dog. And when I saw that, I said, "Whoa." Yeah. This man is talking about what his parents taught him. Like that, that like, wow. And I respected the way he stood up, right? Like they were losing the league, energy was gone. Like he hit Draymond Green and started talking crazy. As much as we all wanna blame Grant Williams, that ain't Grant Williams' fault. Like Grant Williams supposed to do that. Right. Your dogs gotta come like, "Hey, feed off that, let's go." So as much as we wanna blame Grant Williams, like, yeah, bro, you an NBA player and like you was in the game and you be talking big shit, Grant. So like when you do that, yeah, you do gotta stand on that. And of course you gonna hear it, like ain't no passes. But, but you then need JT and JB to like, come on now. Like turn it into gear and cover your man. And when I saw JB after the game, they asked JB about Grant and poking the bear or whatnot. And he said, "Next question." To me, I'm like, "Oh, they done." Did I think it would be a 30-point blowout in game 3? No, of course not. Like, but I'm like, "Yo, they done." Yeah. He said, "Next question." They done. Like even if, and like again, Grant Williams is his own man. You gotta stand on your own two feet. But in JB's situation, even if like you still ride with your man, be like, "Hey, he started talking. Jimmy played well. Like it is what it is. We gotta do what we gotta do to win." You can't next question it, JB, because that was the mentality that their team took on in Game 3. Like, next question, next game, next play, this is it. Like, that's a mentality. And so you can't necessarily do that. And again, not that it's JB's fault that Grant started getting dropped off. Grant, that's on you. You gotta cover for yourself. You start talking. But you could tell that there was more there once that happened. And I'm sure Miami, he saw that and it looked like they feasted on it. Duncan Robinson made every play for like a 4-minute stretch. Assist, drive, kick out assist, drive, lob to Bam, Tracy, layup, another layup. He made every play for like a 3, 4-minute stretch. Yeah. And it's going to get interesting because, you know, people's talking about Duncan Robinson contracting. Like, people watching this series, like, they gonna move on Duncan Robinson. Like, Duncan Robinson just created value for himself again. So kudos to Duncan Robinson, man, staying in the fight and playing a great game with 22 points. Gabe Vincent, I played against Gabe. Gabe Vincent is playing like the Gabe Vincent that played against us at Team USA when he was playing with Nigeria and they beat us in the exhibition game and they act like they won a gold medal. Mike Brown was coaching them and we were all outta shape trying to get in shape. We had like 2 days of practicing and then we scrimmaged against them. Anyway, them boys was balling for Team Nigeria and they beat us. And Gabe Vincent, the way Gabe Vincent was playing in Team Nigeria, that's how Gabe Vincent is playing for the Miami Heat. And he is playing well, creating a bunch of value for himself. I am sick of the undrafted players. Like, stop disrespecting them dudes, man. They tie they shoes up like everybody else. They get paid to play this game like everyone else. Whether you was drafted 1 or 60 or undrafted, once you get between the lines, what are you doing between these lines? And we've seen number 1 picks be busts. We've seen number 2 picks be busts. We've seen number 30 picks be busts. So like, stop with the whole undrafted thing, man. I'm sure those guys get tired of hearing that, 'cause I get tired of hearing it. Like, all right, they were undrafted. Like, great. I understand. Like, it's probably like the underdog story, right? Like, I get it. But like, they were the 8 seed. Yeah. And they almost lost both playing games. That is enough underdog story in itself. They getting it out the mud and you gotta get them guys credit, man. Jimmy Butler, Bam outta Bayou, they doing it. Now back to the games within the game. Jimmy Butler with the timeout celebration and Al Horford was hot. And I thought that was hilarious because Al Horford, I'll never forget Al Horford did my flex on me when he got an and-1 when they came back in game 1. And what did I do? I politely gave it back in game 2. But like, guys don't like when you dish back what they give. You know what I'm saying? So Al Horford like be sneakily talking shit and like mocking people in celebrations. And Jimmy hit him with the timeout joint and he was ready to fight. That's what it looked like he was ready to do. He started walking towards Jimmy. Ah, I thought that was hilarious. That was hilarious because again, you can't get mad When you dished it first in game 1 prematurely, and then somebody dish it back and it ain't going so well, and you get mad. Can't do that. So I thought that was funny. I saw a clip today, and I don't know if it was real. It's so many AI-generated things today, you can never be so sure. But I saw a clip where they said Marcus— they said it was Marcus Smart saying to Jimmy, stop talking, we beat y'all last year. We beat y'all last year. Stop you talking the whole game or something like that. And again, I don't know if that was AI generated because I can't see Marcus Smart face. Like I don't know if Marcus Smart's really saying that or not, but if it's not AI generated, like you, like we all talk about the past. Like don't get me wrong. Like I'll hit somebody with a 4, like Klay hits you with a 4 in a heartbeat. So we all gonna like talk about the past. But I don't know if you could say, man, you need to stop talking. Like, you almost asking for a way out. Nah, Marcus, like, dive in that because that's what you be in. So it ain't no stop talking. No, I'm gonna stop you from talking some type of way because I can't ask you to stop talking. So I don't know, man. I think these little games within the game, for me, have been fun to watch. And the Celtics quit last night. They definitely quit. And I'm gonna be quite frank with you, I don't expect much more tomorrow. Like they just ain't got it. Like they ain't got it.

Yeah.

Like the fight is gone. And so I don't really expect much more tomorrow. And like watch Dale win the game and be like, we saw them say it, da da da. I don't expect much more tomorrow. They quit. Miami went and took they heart. And now remember earlier in the show I was saying like the last 3 or 4 years or something like, Miami lost to the Celtics last year and was supposed to win, like seeding, from a seeding perspective, and they lost. And so it had me thinking more of like, what are the real gaps in between teams in the league? Because that's a team who, Miami, if I'm not mistaken, was number 1 seed last year and they lost to the Boston Celtics. Yeah. Jackson, what did they lose in that series?

They lost in 7 'cause Jimmy took that 3, the transition 3 at the end.

Oh yes, Jimmy missed the shot, right? Jimmy missed the shot. Yeah, and so like you think about that, right? Like they lost in 7, Jimmy had a 3 to win it. And like they right back here and they're dominating them. Like there's not a huge gap in between those 2 teams. It's really not.

And the other time they played in the playoffs was in the bubble. And that was also very, very competitive until the Heat sort of took over at the end.

And Bam got the block.

The Bam block, exactly.

Yeah. So like there's not some huge gap in these teams. You get caught up in the regular season record, but these teams been battling now for years. There isn't some huge gap. So it made me just like take a step back and like question or like not question, but just dissect like the parity in the NBA. And the crazy thing is with the new CBA, it's gonna be even more. So you all wanted parity. I know some of y'all are gonna be upset that it's a Denver-Miami Heat final.

Huh.

'Cause all the people that you used to see in there isn't there. And the people that you may wanna see ain't there. But I'm gonna enjoy that finals. I think it's gonna be a good one. But yeah, Boston done. Before we get outta here, Carmelo Anthony, Announced his retirement today. And I am, number one, I wanna say congratulations on the job. Well done, career well done. Incredible athlete, incredible basketball player, and even, but an even incredible, more incredible man. You know, what Melo came into this league as, braids, baggy clothes, huge entourage. And what he grew into is admirable. Just the leader that he blossomed into, I respect and got a lot of love for. I watched Melo since I was 11 years old playing at Oak Hill and then on to Syracuse and then on to the Denver Nuggets. And I was lucky enough and blessed and honored to have an opportunity to compete with him in the Olympics and win a gold medal. Draymond Green, one of the greatest USA basketball players ever. And obviously, you know, one of the top talents in NBA history. One of the greatest scorers in NBA history. I wanna, like I said, number one, I wanna say congratulations, but number two, thank you. For me, having an opportunity to play with Carmelo Anthony and win a gold medal with Carmelo Anthony, who I watched growing up, Like that's a surreal moment for me. One that I never thought I experienced in a way that you embrace me. I can't thank you enough. What you brought to the game, special. One of the special talents that we've ever been able to witness and job well done. I saw the ad to your son or the message to your son. I won't call it the ad 'cause that's real. To Kyann and man, that's incredible. Thank you. Do it for. Like, you wanna talk legacy? There's my legacy. Like, that's me. That's like, that's my seed. Like, so you wanna talk legacy? There's it. There it is. And I thought that was so special, man. So special. But let me tell you, 'cause you can't say it yourself, your legacy is one of the best to ever do it. That's what the legacy is. You know, they'll try to say championship this. And as a guy who's won championships, trust me, I'm big into that, but championship ultimately don't define whether you were great or not. Carmelo Anthony was great. Carmelo Anthony superstar. Carmelo Anthony first ballot Hall of Famer. So you won't talk about the legacy. You'll say, here's my legacy, it's my son. But I'm gonna tell you, your legacy is one of the baddest dudes to ever lace them up, come through this league, put that ball in, in the basket like no other. One of the toughest players I ever had to guard. I'll never forget playing the New York Knicks and David Lee was suspended. So I played a little more minutes and Carmelo got the ball on like the mid post kind of the block like, and he's faced up, boom, 2 dribbles into me, boom, boom, missed the shot. He's like, "That's a fucking foul," to the ref. Referee didn't call the foul. We got the rebound, we went down. He came back the next play, went to the same exact spot, did the same exact move. Boom, boom. Made sure he got the foul. I'm like, man, what is this? Like, come on, man. Like this dude just did the same exact move to me. Like to make sure he get the foul call. Like, don't get me wrong. Like I fouled him a little bit. Like don't trip, but he was gonna make it a point. Like, and what I took from that is like, Like I'm not just gonna miss this shot. You think I'm gonna just miss that shot without getting fouled? Like, and that taught me something about confidence in the NBA. Like that moment right there. Like that was early in my career and it taught me something about like being great and confidence. And man, the opportunity to compete against Carmelo Anthony. Like I said, a guy I grew up watching. Honor, brother. Job well done. Congratulations. And the legacy is. One of the greatest to ever do it. They can't take that away from you. That's a wrap on this episode of the Draymond Green Show. Until next time, peace. What's up everybody? It's Draymond Green. Make sure you subscribe to the Volumes YouTube channel below so you don't miss any more of this great content going forward.