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[MUSIC] What's up everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show with my dog BD.

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We got a special, we got a special episode for y'all today. And even before BD came and made this show special, I would always talk about this guy as someone who considered themself and think of themself as a good basketball man. Someone who I like consider like that I look to as like one of the most brilliant basketball minds that the game has ever seen. And I spoke about Wanted to have him on the podcast. He's a 2-time champion, 16-year NBA vet, 4-time NBA All-Star, 2-time NBA All-Defense First Team, 2-time NBA All-Defense Second Team, led the league in assists for 3 seasons, was the steals leader once. One of the best point guards to play the game. And when you, when you keep it too real, they try to say that you not what you really are. One of the best point guards we've ever seen grace this game.

Ever.

None other than the one and only, Draymond Green. Welcome to the show, my brother.

Man, appreciate that, man. Appreciate that love.

Appreciate it.

Absolutely, sir.

Absolutely.

Man. What up, BD?

Hey, BD.

I gotta piggyback off that intro, man. I gotta add some sauce. You know, he is the maestro, the mad scientist, the Einstein, the, Basically the Basquiat of dictatorship. You feel what I'm saying?

I appreciate y'all, man.

Like the way you orchestrate, you know, just your style, bro. Your style, you a one of one, you original. You know what I mean? I've been a fan of you since Kentucky. You know, when you got in the league, you know, you was one of the dudes I hated the most because with hate comes admiration.

Right, absolutely.

You feel what I'm saying? And I just like, I just always watched you play, you know what I mean? Because like the way you orchestrated the game, the way you painted was just like, I love the way you painted as an artist. It was just a joy to watch. So Hall of Famer, I appreciate you being on the show as well, my dog.

Man, I appreciate y'all, man. Like that type of love gives me chills, man, to hear from the peers and especially guys I respect, you know, that most so. I appreciate that. I appreciate the love, appreciate the honesty, and let's get it.

Yes sir. Yes sir. We appreciate you coming on. Hey, but let's, we all just in our own separate places just finished watching this Boston Celtics-Cleveland Cavaliers game. Doe, what's your thoughts on these two teams? They, you know, you had the streak going with Cleveland 15-0. They going into the defending champ's house. You who's a champion yourself, you know how it is coming off a championship season. Maybe you drop a couple games here and there, just not locked in.

Right.

And you know, so then everybody moves on to the next hot thing.

Yep.

That is the Cleveland Cavaliers. And then, you know, you see what happened today. What do you make of what just happened in these two teams as the season play out?

There, there's levels to it. You know what I mean? The champs knew what time it was at the crib. They wasn't gonna allow anybody to come in their crib and, you know, make it hard for 'em. Kudos to the Celtics, like they're being prepared. The only team that's figured it out so far. So other than that, I'm not surprised, you know, they're the team that knocked 'em off.

BD, what's your thoughts on that game?

The more I watch Cleveland, the more I like 'em. I just think that they gotta just figure out how to make Boston play to their game and their pace. And it's gonna be really predicated on, I think, Darius Garland and the way Allen play, Jared Allen, you know, like they gonna be the cornerstones of that team and they gonna be the ones that's gonna really take a lot of pressure off of Donovan Mitchell and Evan Mobley. But I mean, great matchup when you look at versatility, like intensity, but you know, Boston is a buzzsaw. They hard to guard, bro.

Nah, for sure. And tonight they, what they did show you was like, at no point in the game were they ever phased. And that's, that's, that's having that chip. It's like, oh, they coming in here and they think they gonna come in here and do this. Like, these are the games that you get serious for.

Right.

When you're defending the title, you know what I'm saying? And, and that, that's the game that they got serious for. Now, if you're the Cavs, I think one thing that, like, you look at how the Cavs finished the game, they finished the game with one big, their best lineups. Have two bigs, you know?

Yeah.

Ty Jerome finished the game because of what he brings offensively. They don't necessarily trust the Okoros and the Dean Weights offensively against a team like Boston, you know? So when you look at those couple things, I think you have to take a step back and you quickly realize, and not to overreact, but that Cavaliers team is gonna quickly realize like, oh, Okay, we just saw that now. That was something different. How we take the next step is how can we, how we react to playing a team like that. And so I think overall it's a great matchup though. That NBA Cup Series.

Yeah, yeah. That environment, that atmosphere, yeah, it's a good test for him.

Dope, obviously being the great that you were there, I feel like at one point while you were there, man, KG and all those guys had left. You were for sure the best point guard in the league and top 2 or 3 best players in the league while you're there. And then, then you left and it wasn't all love. Do you still feel, get the feeling there and get the love there of like, that's home for you? Or do they not necessarily give you that?

No, they, they've always given me that. Even, even after winning a chip with the Lakers, you know, they still welcome me home. A lot of the workers that were there when I was, you know, back in the day, they're still there. So it's all love, family. A lot of great people that work in that organization, for sure.

Man, you are one of the few players to win a championship for the Boston Celtics and the Los Angeles Lakers.

What?

The Minneapolis Lakers.

I'm the only one. The guy who won Minneapolis Lakers in Boston.

There's only one. You know, so you the only one.

From, no, it's when they were the Minneapolis Lakers.

Got it.

It's two of us.

All right, all right. So Los Angeles, a Boston championship versus a Los Angeles championship. Can you compare the two?

You can't compare it. You know, you can't compare it honestly because the 2020, we were in a bubble, so we didn't get a parade. So I've only had one parade and that was the most amazing thing that's happened to me in basketball. You know, just that type of love and reaction, how to, you know, to see the fans. You've seen it this year, but to be a part of it, to get on a duck boat boat, uh, go on the tour.

It was amazing.

So, uh, that's the only opportunity I got to have a parade. But at that particular time when I won in, in, uh, 2020, you know, my son was in the bubble with me, so that made that moment, you know, that was more special than you winning it at 20.

Oh, that's the picture behind you, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That picture was hard, bro. That's one of the most iconic championship pictures, uh, in the history to me.

I had no idea. He must have been watching.

So speaking of the bubble, when people try to say, "Ah, it's a bubble championship, it's this." As someone who's won a championship in the bubble, someone who's won a championship not in the bubble, how do you compare the two from that aspect of not traveling or being in the bubble, the different challenges or lack thereof, or you know?

To me, I enjoy the bubble because you get to see the guy every day that you walking past. You know, you get to see the enemy. And there's no distractions, you know what I mean? There's no outside, you know, there's no hotel flights. There's no— everybody's in one room. There's no excuses. It's check ball, you know, fan, you know, there's no advantages.

Yeah.

This is my best, you know, my 5 against your best 5 and figure it out. And you gotta obviously 7 games to figure it out. But I love that, that mind, that concept of we go right to the room, then we go to film. We were, we was able to learn a lot more, uh, during that time than I would say if we were able to like, you know, go home, practice, get, have other distractions. Don't think about the game, but in the bubble, That's all you're thinking about. Obviously, you know, and it's like in real life in playoffs, when you on the road, you know, you go home, you think about the game. But like when you in a bubble, everything, you can go to your boy's room, you can talk about it, like, and you just gotta figure it out on the fly.

And you see your enemy. That's crazy.

You might bump into him on the elevator. Okay, cool. Right, you know what I mean?

That's crazy.

Eating in the same place, you know what I mean? We had the, a couple of meetings to where, you know, things we weren't gonna play. So like we all, we saw each other all the time.

Yeah.

And I love, you know, I love that, that feeling.

That's crazy too because when you play someone in meaningful playoff series, there's naturally a beef created. Like, like it's naturally a, bro, I don't really like you.

Like, and you don't—

Yep.

Third game for sure. You like, man.

Bro, like what's like, I don't like you, bro. It's naturally created. And y'all may see each other somewhere years down the road and be like, "Man, bro, that was fun." Or, "That was crazy." But right after, like during that, is a beef created. And the years following that—

That moment.

It's like, it's a beef. But like, bro, I don't like you, man. Like, because y'all are going after the same thing. And it's intense.

Yeah, I loved it. You know what I mean? It was fun to be a part of it.

That's a whole different mind game. Right. That's why I love you and respect you, bro. 'Cause people don't even understand that mind game, bro. Like that's— It's guys, and you know this, it's guys you played against in that moment that didn't understand you were playing that mind game. Like, yeah, bro.

Like— Come on, man. What we doing? When I was talking about how me and Bron was looking at the game, like it was Boston and Miami. And I was like, I got, who was at the time? Steven, Brad Steven. He was like, he got Spo. So I was like, we were like I said, mentally we were preparing like to go to war and figure out, okay, I gotta beat this coach. And he's thinking like, I gotta beat this coach. And we knew we had each other's back whichever route we took. You know what I mean? So that's why we was very confident we was gonna win that bad boy. Even before the bubble, we felt like we was the ones. You know what I mean? We had a hell of a season.

That's crazy.

Man, talk about your mentality, just like the brand you wanted. Like how did you cook that up? You know what I mean? Like who did you like growing up and like, you know, who didn't you wanna be like and who did you wanna be like?

Curry, Curry ain't BD. Curry ain't BD. I didn't watch basketball growing up.

Wow.

That's crazy.

I didn't watch basketball growing up. I thought I was gonna be an NFL player. You know what I mean? I played football. I was always outside. I was active. I didn't do no TV watching. I didn't watch no local team. You know what I mean? I didn't watch the Louisville Cardinals. That's why it wasn't a big deal for me to go to Kentucky. That's crazy. 'Cause I didn't grow up a fan of anything. So when I picked up the game and I felt like, okay, I was good enough to do it, I locked into it as a goal. You know what I mean? Like I didn't grow up being like, I wanna be an NBA player growing up. No, not like my son's dreams are. To me, I was just a kid on the street, just having fun, enjoying sports, being active. When it came to that decision, like I said, I was exposed to a different lifestyle. I got introduced to Derrick Anderson. He kind of took me under his wing as a mentor. So I'm like, damn, this is how you living? Or this is what you doing every day, waking up? Okay, cool. Man, let me work a little bit harder. Then I got introduced to Mike Bibby. Went out to Sacramento for a couple days, worked out with him. I'm like, damn, this is the life. Okay, cool. Let me get to it. And after that, I kind of just put my— Yeah. My hard hat on and just worked. I was like, "Shit, I gotta figure out how to get this." You know what I mean? This type of lifestyle. Yeah. These vacations. I mean, just all the means that come with it. So that was the goal of mine. That's how I did it.

How did you know what was right though, though, to not watch the game at all and then end up with all the passes and to see the floor the way you see the floor, which is different than just about anybody can see the floor. How did you figure that out?

It sound crazy. I love the game. I played the game. Like I said, I always played with older kids, you know what I mean? I was the youngest on the court. My older brother play, you know, not getting picked up from whatever, just hooping. And then we played growing up. My boys talk about it all the time. We walk in different neighborhoods. We play anywhere, everywhere around the city and we just hoop. But as far as knowledge of the game, my high school coach, shout out to Doug Bibby, he broke, he started breaking the game down to me as a freshman. And I was like, okay, I was, you know, I was frustrated. I hate seeing myself on tape. And I was like, but, The tapes was telling the truth. I mean, it was giving me answers to the test. So I locked into that and I was like, okay, what can I be great at?

You know what I mean?

I always wanted to have the answer to the test. Like my older brother taught me everything he knew mathematically. So I wanted to be the first to go to the board and get the answers. That's how it was in basketball. Okay, coach telling me, film is the answers. So now when I go on the court, I know what you're doing before you know what you're doing in a sense because of your habits. So I just studied and learned and locked in that way. Mm-hmm. And just kept it going, shit, and just learned the game. And I love to, like I said, learn. I'm a sponge. Give me everything you got. From all the greats I played with, I'm taking a little bit of this, a little bit of that, and then implementing the guys I played with. That's why I love to play with the cousins in the '80s, 'cause I was giving them what I got from Dirk, Kevin, you know what I mean? Shaq, you know, Draymond Green. I was able to get a lot of great information. And like I said, I always just wanted to soak as much as I could from all of them.

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Like when you came into the league, it's almost like your game went to a whole— like you was cold in college.

Man, you boy Tubby hit me.

Is that what it was?

Come on, man, listen, we had— Let me breathe.

Listen, we had like 4 McDonald's, no, 3 McDonald's All-Americans. Yeah. And we bringing the ball down the court.

Running plays.

5 passes. I'm like, what we doing? We can get up the court and go. I mean, we had some players, but like I said, you know, he didn't, neither here nor there. I'm where I am today. I'm thankful for it. But like, yeah, we was ready to go and I needed just the space and let me go. You know what I mean? Play some mistakes. So, but Doc didn't let me do that at first though.

That's what I was saying. Yeah, that's what I was saying. You came in with a chip on your shoulder.

I was disrespected.

Yeah. And on top of that, you had vets, you know what I mean? You had like superstar vets that like, you gotta have that, you know what I'm saying? To get they respect. Like talk about that, man.

But the crazy thing, people ask me that, but I didn't, man, I didn't grow up a fan of none of 'em. Now I respect all of 'em today, but I didn't grow up a fan of nobody. Like, you know, the big ticket, I know who the big ticket was, you know what I mean? Minnesota, I didn't have cable, we didn't watch TV, you know, they never watched TV. That's wild. I didn't watch, I seen he got game, I didn't really watch Ray in Seattle, so I didn't know him, so I was never in awe of anybody. It was just like, shit, okay, cool, this is what they do well, this is what I do well. And knowing that KG was like, he wanted me to stay, I was like, shit, let's get it. You know what I mean? Like I said, I'm gonna earn their respect, but most more importantly, I just knew what I wanted to be. You know what I mean? Like I wanna be the great, you heard this shit about they can't win with a young point guard. Me and Perk got all the disrespect. So I was like, okay, cool, what's the motivation? I was supposed to be a bust, 21st pick, you know what I mean? So I got traded to Boston, thank goodness, that's the way the world works, how life works. So other than that, I was always motivated and I always wanted to prove people wrong and I love to shut a motherfucker up, you know what I mean? That's why I love going on the road and playing. That's just the best thing, it's one of the best feelings.

That's a fact. Shutting that crowd up.

Yeah, man, man, watch out.

I heard this story before. Where your rookie year, you got obviously Ray, KG.

No, no, no, not my rookie year.

Second year.

Second year.

Second year you got Ray, KG, Truth.

Yeah.

At that point you still the young fella, you know what I'm saying? They stars, you still the young fella. And I heard there was a point very early in that season where you had to stop and like all three at one time, check them and try to fight them.

Hell nah, I ain't do that. Try to fight all three of 'em at one time?

Like, like just more so like letting them know like, I understand who y'all are. Like not necessarily like, yo, I'm trying to fight y'all all at once. But like, I understand who y'all are, but there's a level of respect to be had here too.

Nah, it was, it was no, it was never no scenes like that between us really. You know, the stuff you hear about maybe, you know, me and Ray or whatever that, other than that. But like nah, KG was, From the first time we played, you know, we came in early because we wanted— we was focused on winning the championship. So we came in like maybe 3 weeks before training camp started.

Okay.

First pickup, he's yelling, screen, screen, screen. I'm like, damn, you know what I mean? It's night and day difference. He in the paint. So now I feel more comfortable being able to get into the ball. I ain't gotta do this, but I got a nigga behind me talking, you know what I mean? Telling me what's going on communication-wise. So we've always had a great rapport. I mean, you know, we butt heads just like damn near with all my teammates, but at the same time, it's all love. And for him, He was the one that held me accountable. When I fucked up, he'd be like, hey, young fella, like, that ain't it. Or he'd be like, you know what, you got a point, stand on that. You know what I mean? So it was kind of like he would still teach me the ropes, but also hold me accountable and not let me get away with the bullshit. Other times I may have gotten away with certain things.

Oh, that's fire. So KG, you say KG is your vet?

No, I went to all universities. Paula Preach University, Royale University, and Antigua University. So yeah, I got traveled in all of them. It was fun.

What was Paul Pierce University like?

Paul Pierce, man, you seen the show? This shit, he a wild boy. But see, the first couple years dealing with Paul, man, he was tough. Like I said, first year Paul left, he got hurt and he was like, he got out on us. He took all back to LA. So it was a brief interaction with him my first year. But then like I said, he got around Kevin, but I feel like they all mesh well. And one thing they did great was they was always sacrifice. You know what I mean? That was like egos were aside. It wasn't about who got the biggest contract. And to me, KG sacrificed the most. I think he had made the most at the time. You know what I mean? So he was always took the back seat, let them get their shit off. Then he'd be like, hey, bring that bitch down here. You know what I mean? So that's when he would really would chop it to me. But other than that, he was willing to sacrifice, set screens no matter what. You know what I mean? Stand in pick and roll longer. That was just type of one of my greatest, the best team I probably ever played with for sure.

Wow, that's crazy. So just as a leader, KG, in a different stratosphere.

A different, I mean, his mindset, the way he approaches the game, his focus, like his discipline, his day-to-day routine. Like, it's like him and I would say Bron are like the most strict on teammates I've ever played with that do everything always the same. Like, it's a hell of an experience to like to see that and be a teammate of that.

Man, dope. We got home and you mentioned you had an exam today. Like, exam?

Yeah.

You say you going back to school. Talk to us about that. What inspires you to go back? At this point, you've had a successful career, you've made money, your focus is your son and helping him reach his dreams, but yet you back in school taking classes to get your degree. What drove you to do that and how is it going?

How's it going?

Well, I'm back at University of Kentucky. I'll get my degree in human communications. I would say I try to make a lot of checklists and certain goals of mine, I always want to check them off. And right now I'm fortunate to say my life is kind of a completed checklist, so I had to add more goals. And that was one that, like I said, I left school sophomore year at Kentucky. I decided to go pro, obviously. And then my academic advisor, shout out to Mike Stone, he'd been telling me to come back years after years. And I'm like, I'll get there when I get a chance. So me retiring, I had a lot of downtime and I can't sit around and be the Uber dad all day long 'cause the kids gotta go to school. So I'm like, shit, while they going to school, I could be learning and growing too. And I was like, you know what? I wanna graduate before my daughter graduates college. So we'll probably graduate actually at the same time next year, next spring. So I'm looking forward to doing that. That's amazing.

That's amazing.

I love learning.

I love learning. I just wanna continue to grow. That's it, you know? Yeah.

So you got a daughter about to graduate college?

No, no, no. She's graduating high school.

I was about to say, man.

Nah, hell nah.

I ain't talking about her. I'm like, damn. I'm like, oh nah, you my dog. Yo.

I know, I know. Them niggas start getting to her early.

Nah, she's 17. She's a senior here in Kentucky.

She's a senior? Yeah.

Going to Bama volleyball, so.

Yeah. Man, congratulations. So with school, you know, and now getting your degree, like what's life like after basketball? What's some of the things you into, you know, now that you retired?

It's been peaceful, man. You know, I'm a newlywed, so I got married about 5 months ago. So, you know, I'm just enjoying life. Appreciate it. You know what I'm saying? Family built, moving to the crib. Like I said, educating myself. Spent a lot of time with the family, been like I said, AU coach, just living life, man. Like I said, learning. I'm actually been messing with your boy Doc out there in Milwaukee a little bit, just kind of learning from him. I thought he was on some internship.

Yeah. Call out Doc. Hey, go ahead. Hey, what's up? Go ahead, BD. Go ahead, BD. That was a joke. Oh, shit. Hey, woo! Hit the button, Doc. Bring Ron, shoot Rondo right to the top. Man, would you go please save your coach, man? I thought you was over there full time. You need to go save Coach.

I got the kiddos, man. Nah, man, they, you know, a couple, these calls these years, man, they ain't helped them. They done been evicted about 3 of them.

Hey, Draymond, even Rondo won't go. Even Rondo won't go. Even Rondo won't go. You come on, man. You can't have a coach all in the videos, all in the commercials.

Hey man, hey, that's my first win. That boy got me my first chip, man.

But Shaw, y'all did that though.

You did that.

But listen, it's my philosophy though, BD. I get that a lot though, but my thing is, If you got the talent, why don't you do that? He can't play for you. I ain't making an excuse for him, but I'm like, there were times in the huddle where he'd be like, look, if y'all on the same page, y'all do y'all thing. So it wasn't like—

Totally.

Maybe he's used to, you know, people being able to manipulate and do their own thing. But he's had some great teams, and they came up to, you know, came short obviously. But I felt like it was always on us regardless. Let's give us the talent. And then for me personally, with, you know, with the guidance of Meryl Byrd around it, I was like, we can figure this out. 4 times before you beat us 4 times.

Yeah, I mean, you're a genius. You know what I'm saying? I learned from all the best ones. You know what I mean? Not everybody is DNA to learn. Some people have like incredible star power and incredible basketball playing capabilities, but there's like 2 levels of learning, then trying to learn the entire DNA. You know what I mean? And think like a coach, be more than a coach. And I think like you need that coach to be able to like at least push you in that direction. You got that gift, bro. You got a wizard bag.

You know what I mean?

Like you was a baby wizard already. You already had that. You know what I mean? KG had that. But a lot of times the coach gotta be able, you know, to set that buffet and say, look, these are all the other things that you can be capable of.

Though you mentioned, you said, I got the kiddos. So does that mean you were never full-time coach until? Like your kids graduate?

No, what I want to do, that was be here for my daughter's senior year. So that was a big emphasis. Like, you know what I mean? My son, he just turned 13 a couple days ago. So I'm okay with him. You know what I mean? I have him enough. But like I said, I just want to be there for my daughter's senior year, all the prom, you know, the homecoming. She loves those parties. So I gotta be here.

You got that prom party. That's gonna be, woo. That's going up. That's going up.

She's prepped me enough for it. So, you know. Boys outside, so.

Coaching is ultimately what you want to do though?

1000%. And I want to mess with the front office too. You know what I mean? Like I want to do some internship. I'm gonna call Danny eventually. You know, one of my guys that believed in me from day one. So just like I said, the guys in the front office, want to get around and pick their brain, see it from that side. But I definitely love teaching the game and I would love to win this, you know, from both GM and a coach.

You know, moving to another franchise that you won a championship with, You got a young coach, guy who you played many of your years in the NBA with.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Possibly college. Y'all, y'all probably played against each other in college.

Yeah, yeah.

You got young JJ Redick, young in the coaching world, taking over the Lakers. What do you make of the job he's done and what do you ultimately think he becomes as a head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers?

I think he's done a hell of a job, you know, obviously getting 80, back to what we know he's capable of playing of, you know, first and foremost, you know, you want your best player to be at an all-time high, believing in you, very confident. And then you hear the comments in the media, you know, obviously everything is going to translate to wins, but at the same time, he's got the captains there, you know, Bron, obviously they have a great rapport already. So just having that grace and understanding, you know what I mean? He's able to coach him as well, I think. You know, you've seen a couple times where they showed Draymond Green getting on Bron, which, you know, he's not combative in that manner, but he's able to be coachable. And with him able to doing that, stand his ground, the players see that. And I think that's allowing them to be like, okay, we believe in this guy. Yeah.

I look forward to the day you ready to make that jump. 'Cause don't give me the assistant coach stuff. Don't give me the, oh, like you need to—

Press the button.

You need to go through this. You need to go through that. And you don't have the experience. Don't give me that. Nah, I don't wanna hear that because What they do know is Rondo is one of the greatest basketball minds to grace the NBA. Rondo is an NBA champion already.

For sure.

Right? Rondo is an All-Star. Rondo is all defense. And you know he got the mind. He watched more film. And if you know anything about the NBA and the inner workings, you know Rondo watched more film than the coaches watch already as a player. So I just don't want to hear When Doe is ready to take that leap and he looking for a job.

Call him, press him.

He's not looking for an assistant coach job. He's looking for a head job because JJ's doing it. He's showing you that it's possible.

Right.

And we know how smart Rondo is. So I don't want to hear it.

Give me some pieces. We gonna crack, you know what I mean? That's all I need. I got the blueprint. Just give me the pieces.

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Yep.

And you're coming into the squad. What was that experience like along the way going through the season? As you know, you growing to win a championship. You don't win a championship in June, you win a championship in January, you know? And growing through that, what was that experience like for y'all two as the savants that y'all are?

It was a great moment. You know, we played together before, but it was,— A time where, you know, I knew my role at the time, you know what I mean? So, you know, we were two Alphas, but at the same time, I pride myself on being a star role player, you know what I mean? Like, I knew my role. I wasn't the big dog on any team I ever played for. So for me, I fell in line. I knew what it was, you know what I mean? It wasn't no ego beating the chest. It was like, okay, I got— I'm gonna have an opinion, which he always respected it, along with the coaching staff. So it was always a hell of a line of respect that we have for each other. At the end of the day, he's playing, you know, 40 minutes, I'm playing 26 maybe, you know what I mean? So, you know, like I said, in the day it's all about winning. And I was always trying to do the best to figure out the 5 that should be on the floor, or, you know, who should be in rotations in the game, whatever the team or the staff needed me to be at that particular time. That's the role I try to play. 'Cause in the bubble, I was out for 6 weeks, you know, I broke my thumb. Yeah.

Yeah.

So the dope thing was Frank Vogel, shout out to the homie again, he allowed me to get into all the coaches' rooms. So I'm understanding again from, I'm looking, I'm on a championship coaching staff basically the 6 months I'm rehabbing in LA. Then I come back, you know, when we play Houston and how we able to adjust from not playing the big, the 7-footers, JaVale and Dwight at all in the Houston series. And then we playing them against the Jokic. So it was like being able to be in that locker room, being able to be in that, those meetings while I was gone, I was still able to stay in tune and talk with the team and understand. And they knew when I came back that it was, it was up from there. Cause like I said, it was always the greater good of the team that we were always striving to be.

Speaking of JaVale and Dwight, they've been very outspoken about that team being broken up too soon. What was your take on that? Do you think the Lakers ultimately moved on too soon, or where y'all could have done more? Or do you think that's just what it was? That team was gonna win a championship and it kind of capped there.

Nah, I definitely don't think it capped there. Okay. I'm good. You know, I mean, you win a championship, you feel like you have the blueprint. And you gotta run it back to see if anybody has figured it out before you did, you know, crack the code. So I feel like we were a really deep team. Like I said, we're able to adjust. We've been through 7-game series, you know, we've been battle-tested. So, you know, I think we're able to hit the button next year and figure out how to win it again. Like I said, everybody's feeling good. Draymond Green's still playing now.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

And he was coming off one of his best seasons. Like I said, that confidence going back into the bubble, you have the same type of guys going to war with you. You know, it's just a psychological thing that you understand versus a couple guys that ain't here. And a lot of teams, you know, that's what comes in front office or they come into play. It's like you feel like you can plug and play with certain guys, but that year nobody was breaking the bank. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know what it was, but you know, it is maybe here or there. They got me another 2 years. So hey, I wasn't even gonna play after that.

You mentioned LeBron still playing. Just talk about, you know, you play with him twice, you know, in your career. Like, what has impressed you the most about him, and especially with what he's doing now?

Man, I told you, I've never seen nobody take care of their body like him. Um, rest and diet. I mean, the little cliché things, like all the things he does. I mean, the way he lifts, the way he goes at the weight room, uh, he attacks the weight room, you know, the way he attacks his own court, off the court workouts. Like, he's professional. And again, if you put that type of money on your body, And you, you know, and when no one's looking or no one's watching, you're still doing the right thing. You know, you're able to stay and have a longevity, a career like he's having. Not dropping 4 triple doubles in a row, things like that. I mean, obviously he's arguably the greatest player of all time. So for me, I just seen it every day on his regimen. You know what I mean? He was very disciplined and he goes over and beyond what, you know, the average or even what some of the great NBA players have done that I've seen.

Not only that, the skill, You know what I mean? The knowledge, you know, and the know-how, you know what I mean? Just makes him super upper echelon. You know what I mean? It's that discipline that take you to a whole nother level.

'Cause these young guys coming in more athletic, more explosive, and he's still able to manipulate the game, get to his spots. And he's just, I feel like he's outsmarting everybody. Obviously him and Steph doing the same thing. You know what I mean? Draymond's doing the same thing, so. The game comes easier.

And then I know you pride yourself on defense, you know what I mean? My boy Draymond, I'm campaigning for him for Defensive Player of the Year.

Right, absolutely.

Just to let everybody know, that's my dog, I'm rocking with him, right? For your criteria of Defensive Player of the Year, what would the main qualifications be to be considered for that accolade?

Um, I'm starting to like analytics, um, but I'm a game watcher as well, you know what I mean? I'm a field guy. So, um, a lot of things come into play, obviously. Physical categories, um, plus-minus on the floor, being able to switch 1 through 5, um, how you affect the ball, maybe not even, you know, being around the ball, you're still affecting it. I mean, whether it's your communication, there's a lot of factors for me. So there's not a lot of guys that can do that. I mean, you gotta be able to play in the playoffs.

Yep.

He's gotta be able to have impact on the game without even scoring. And that's why I think a guy like myself, a guy like what Draymond does, put you up there for Defensive Player of the Year.

We used to always argue about the MVP and the MVP is just an offensive category and Defensive Player of the Year never gets held with the same weighted value as an MVP. I wanted to get your take on that too.

Yeah, 1000%. A lot of— like I said, always, it's always usually bigs, obviously, the rim protectors. But, um, I mean, there's so many different ways, and it's not just steals, because how many times are you giving up points when you gambling, you know what I mean? So it's just like, still can be— you can be on the worst team in the league, the league steals, you make all first team all defense. Yeah, but you probably get— you probably get to lead the league in backdoors, or you gamble points, scored off a gamble. So it is the Depends on how you look at it, you know what I mean? I don't— it's a different factor for me.

You know, speaking of you playing with the Celtics, playing with the Lakers, um, one part of your career that I'm even— I'm extremely interested in hearing about is your years with the Pelicans, or year with the Pelicans, where you had AD playing at MVP level, you had DeMarcus playing at top 5 MVP level.

He was that sharp.

You, you, you, Drew, y'all got Drew.

Yeah, Drew, right, we had Drew.

Right, you getting 20 assists some nights, 22 assists, 24 assists, and watching you do that.

Let me tell you about that team though. And of course y'all knocked us off, but that beginning of that year, Alvin Gentry was the coach. Chris Finn was the offensive coordinator. And at first it didn't work. Me, Cuz, Drew, AD on the court didn't work. I needed the ball, they needed the ball in a certain sense. So I was on the bench for a while. And then once Cuz got hurt, that's when I got inserted. But before then, what I loved doing my job was I wasn't playing. So I was like, okay, cool. I had Cuz, AD, which is two guys I love playing with. Like I said, I was giving everything that I got poured down to me from all the great vets, from the platformers.

Yeah.

Then I had one of my favorite teammates all the time, Drew Holliday, on the court. So I was like, okay, I took a backseat role. Like, let me try to coach this. So instead of Cuz and AD, cuz at first they both trying to score 50.

Yeah.

I'm like, cuz manipulate the game by scoring 25. Let AD get the 50. You go for 20, 20, and 20. You know what I mean? Like, go crazy the other, a different way. Both y'all getting 50 won't allow us to win games cuz now y'all fight. Now if you become the facilitator, Now he's running delay, he's running stuff off of elbow action, making playmaking, 'cause that's what he was really good at that particular time. He's gonna have a big slow guy on him and he's gonna have the agile wing. So it was like, then he had Drew Holliday. So them learning how to play 3-man together, manipulate the game, and we was on a roll. He got hurt towards Achilles.

Yeah.

And that's when I got inserted. I was like, shit, okay, cool. Who are my weapons? So I took care of, well, I took heat of Nico Mirotić. Each one more, you know what I mean? Guys made me better. Shot makers, AD, lob threat, Jrue Holiday. The pistol action that people run, me and Jrue used to kill that action. The small, small guard pickup, step up. Man, we playing pickup the first couple days in the New Orleans. He stepped up. I'm like, what the hell is this? I think he came, I forgot where he got it from, but it was, it might have been y'all.

Uh-huh.

But he got it and perfected it. It was, I mean, and I could pass. I was able to, I was able to hit that pass easy. So it was like, stuff like that. Like I said, that team chemistry. But we was able to go into Portland with that mindset. You know, even before the playoffs started, Drew and I were like, who you want? It was either between Dame and CJ or James and Chris Paul. And we, like I said, it was either way. Like we didn't really care what the smoke was, but it was smoke either way we went. Then we went to Portland, obviously took care of business, and then we ran into them boys and we just didn't have enough, man. We didn't have enough.

That was it.

Yeah. Hey, with DeMarcus. Hey. With DeMarcus out. It would've been different. I mean, we would've won, but—

I got, I got, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Y'all wouldn't have. Listen, I'm gonna tell you, this is a true story. Never told this story. So I'm trying to get the first play of the game, I'm trying to get AD to bow you. Trying to get him to bow you, set the tone off the dribble. Didn't happen. Something happened. You end up bowing us and I'm just like, fuck, they hit that. That was the first strike. It was on. And like I said, y'all took care of business 4-1 or whatever. But yeah, that was, I was trying I get him to get you from the jump. But if I had Cuz, wouldn't have had to do that.

He would have did it for sure.

Cuz would have really, you know what I mean? That's why I feel like we might have got y'all, who was bigger than y'all. Like I said, I'm trying to go through KD. I'm trying to go through everybody frontline. Of course they got to deal with their boys running around, but if we can get y'all two up out of there, y'all the anchor.

Yeah, that's for sure. You know what's crazy? If AD would have did that, it probably would have caught me so far off guard. Like, I wouldn't have been expecting it.

It'll woke you up. Oh man. It'll woke him up. He's gonna say he lost.

I'm sitting here right now trying to think how I would have reacted then.

Like, I don't know how I would have reacted, bro. You would've got him back. You better.

He might've stole off on him and now you got 3 games and we on to the next round.

Draymond Green would've definitely got him back. He would've slammed him something. He like—

I probably would've reacted right in the moment. Who knows what I would've— I don't know what I would've been doing, man. Thank you, AD. I appreciate you, brother. Man, and you know, obviously your career, we've talked about that. I think that's beautiful. But my nephew, he's 13. His name's TJ Walton, Trav's son. He's 14 now. Well, he's about to turn 14 in a couple days. TJ and your son, they right around the same age. So I followed the scene.

Okay.

TJ been training with me since he was like 7 or 8 years old.

Okay.

So I'm well invested. Like, that's my nephew. I'm like, Like Trav allows me to be like a second father to him. Like that's how close me and Trav are. And Trav went overseas as soon as TJ was born. So when TJ was born and he was like literally baby, Trav's wife, like if she needed somebody to do something with TJ, I'd go, I'd be with TJ. Wow. Like Trav was overseas. So our relationship is different. I pay attention to the scene. Your young fella, he got some game.

Hey, nice.

What is it like going through this journey with him now from your perspective of how you grew up was just going to the park, going here, going there, hooping. And now I always talk about nowadays, your son is actually the prototypical NBA player. It's an NBA player's son. Or like the days of a Rajon Rondo coming from Louisville, a Baron Davis, coming from Inglewood, a Draymond Green coming from Saginaw, Michigan. Those days are over. That kid now who had a dream to make it out, he's way too far behind because Rajon Rondo's son has been getting the training since he was 8 years old, 7 years old by his dad. He know what to do with the body. He know what to do with the nutrition. So the kid in the hood in Saginaw or Louisville, or Inglewood, they so far behind now that they can't make it anymore. What do you make of just being on this journey with him? What's it like training with him? And just as you see it from your vantage point now.

Steve, what I pride myself on, even with my foundation work, you know what I mean? Like I feel like what I'm from the city, like we don't have a lot of big time celebrities, we don't have a lot of famous people. So for me, my team, my AU teams, I got some of them kids, you know what I mean? So I feel like I want kids in my program to use me as a resource to get to where they want to be. I mean, just being able to be, you know, exposed to certain things. So I take them on trips. I might take them in a locker room. A couple years ago, we back and took them to the Dallas Mavericks locker room to, you know, just to dream big. Mm-hmm. And my son has these, has these things. So for me, it's trying his hardest to kind of keep him humble and understand like, you know, what it takes to work and what it takes to get to this level that isn't just given to you. Bigger obstacles. And for him, like you said, the way we grew up was different. I was able to play basketball nonstop, left and right. He has to pretty much schedule his workouts when he plays because you can't just, you know, nowadays since COVID kids, you can't go down the street and play basketball. So you got to kind of organize for them to play this random pickup. And that's what we've done the last couple of months. But again, like you said, I have resources to do that. Like other kids don't. So the kids that aren't being able to play basketball with just some random kids at that age, they don't— how do they get better? How do they judge where they're going to be? And then— Obviously it takes him long to get to the goal. But with him, we just work, man. Like I said, I try to teach him the different responsibilities, not on and off the court. He's a great student. And like I said, just, you know, value and understand and respect each opponent. You know, you got a big target on your back, but what I love to do is I love the targets. You know, I went, I gunned for the targets. And again, people's gonna be gunning for him, but you put the work in, you can't cheat the game. And he's learning that. He's young. I don't want him to, like I said, he's playing football too, you know what I mean? I want him to play all different sports because you don't, I don't want him to burn out. And I thought again, so I was maybe 14, 15, I thought I was going pro in football.

Yeah.

And then I switched over, had a better relationship with my high school basketball coach. And then I started love for that. And then that's when I went that route. So he's pretty good in a couple different sports. So I don't wanna box himself in. But if you wanna play basketball, cool. I just need him to learn how to manage his money. That's it.

My son 10 and he play football. You know, I've been trying to crack the code with him, you know, in basketball. But I think right now, you know, at 10 years old, he like, "All right, football is my thing." But I'm just trying to like, "Hey bro, all the great football players play basketball." Right, right, right. Like, as a dad, you know, the pushback early, like how do you, you know, like how do you set him up for that structure for basketball? You know what I mean? I feel like football easy, you just throw 'em out there, they gonna figure it out. But basketball is different, you know?

Yeah, it's definitely different. Similar, just kind of just watching the games with him, seeing what he like, you know, never, I never forced him. He started off swimming, you know, he did piano. So just giving him different things. His sister did tennis. So we kind of just, you know, thank God we have these like resources that I was able to expose him to different things that he wanted to possibly play. And obviously come to the games with me being in the bubble, that kind of just persuade him to kind of like, okay, getting to hang out in the locker room, see LeBron, you know, talk to certain guys from the game. So I feel like he just kind of naturally fell in love with it.

Yeah, he's nice, dog.

He's super nice. He all right, man. We got so much work to do, man. He got so much work to do.

Hey, Rondo Jr. is nice. Monte Ellis Jr. is nice too. Hey, all the juniors, the junior juniors, uh-oh.

That's the next up. That's the next up, man. It's very interesting. Do you ever, as someone with a junior, I go back and forth sometimes like, man, shit, I love that he's DJ. Like I love, like, and you know that he go by DJ. Yeah. Don't really go by Draymond, right? But I love that he's a junior. But sometimes I go back and forth like, damn, did I do him a disservice? Do you ever have those thoughts of like, man, I named my son a junior?

I do, I do from time to time. Like I love it, I wouldn't change it, but, Uh, we call him Pierre, you know what I mean? He kind of, you know, he wants to have his own identity, um, which I completely understand. He goes by P or Pierre. So, um, you know, I let him, you know, do his own thing. I just, I just let him, uh, get an Instagram. So I let him pick his own name. He just put Junior on there.

So, so what's his name?

I'mma, I, uh, it's still, um, I'll give it, I can't give it out here.

Ah, perfect. Yeah. Don't give it out over here. I, I, I'll ask you that offline. Don't give it out. I ain't shit offline.

He flooded, he gonna be like—

Yeah, we ain't trying to flood it. Mama gonna be like, "Man, what?" We ain't trying to flood it.

Nah, soon, soon though. Soon we gonna flood it, but it's all—

I ain't got much left, but I must mention something, something I heard over the summer. You know, I got married August 14th, 2022. I know you just got married.

Same state, same state.

Congratulations.

Shout out to Diane Valentine.

Shout out to Ms. Valentine.

Yes, sir.

She's the GOAT, man. She knows how to do it. I'm telling you.

Listen here.

Diane Valentine. Y'all inspired us. And then we went, you know, we had to stay without, you know what I mean? So.

She told me, she said, Draymond, I, by the way, I saw her, I was at the private suite about to fly outta LA. I saw her landing back a week after your wedding. And she like, "We just got back." I was like, "Y'all just got back? I saw everybody over at the wedding a week ago." She like, "Yeah, Draymond, like you gotta close this stuff out. You gotta do this, you gotta do that." She was like, "But I'm gonna tell you, Draymond, Raejean made sure y'all didn't outdo them." Nah, she, hey, she still sending me invoices.

I said, "Lady, get off my..." Yes, sir.

It was, we had a time, yo. We had a motherfucking time, yo.

Blessings, yo.

I'm already knowing. I saw videos from y'all wedding, which was like, yo, that wedding looked lit.

Y'all set the tone though.

Bro, that was the first time I seen him.

You showed us y'all wedding, I was like, ooh, that, listen, she's amazing, yo. She is an amazing woman. A couple of my teammates hit me like, "Who did this?" I'm like, "All right now." Miss Valentine. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

Miss Valentine.

The crazy thing is though, she's so great at managing the budget. Who killed me was my wife.

That part.

That like, Diana, she's so strict on, she keep coming back to me looking like, like she keep coming back to me with this look on her face like, And she keep coming back with this look. And the whole time it's Hazel. And Hazel, she killing me. And Diane, she like, "Draymond, I know I told you the budget is, but I know you said the budget is this, and we said we work in it, but she wanna do this, and she wanted—" But the things were so great, bro. I couldn't say no.

How can you say no?

How can you say no? I couldn't say no.

It's one time. It's it. Ain't never doing it ever again. Like, it's it. It's hard to say no. All right. My wife, I mean, they like this. It's like great mentor for her. Like I said, she done been there, done it all. Like great lady, great. I mean, she's a monster. Great role model.

She's incredible.

Hey fellas, listen, if y'all out there getting married, I know some of y'all are. If you wanna see this video.

All the time.

If you wanna see the video or some pictures of a wedding, we got two of 'em for y'all to see.

Man, what we vouching.

And I've been to some weddings that are, with some of the highest name wedding planners.

Craziest budget.

Craziest budget. And man, them weddings look like nothing.

Right.

And they not that fun.

It's taste, bro. You gotta have taste.

So I'm just telling y'all young fellas, y'all out there.

We was ready to holla at Netflix, man. I'm telling you, it was crazy.

It was, hey, and looking back on it, both of us should have.

Yeah, for sure. It was a movie. It was a movie.

I'm telling you, if you wanna have a good time and a great looking wedding and a memory for a lifetime, if you want your stuff to be bland and bleak, then don't mess with Diane because your stuff gonna look right, it's gonna feel right, it's gonna be right. If you out there just looking for the big name, go on somewhere.

That ain't it.

Man, stop hanging with rich people 'cause they food be nasty. That's why I had to cut my rich friends off. That food be nasty as hell, Rondo.

I mean, before I get over there, fuck that.

You already lying. Some olives and shit, man. Give me some food.

I'm hungry.

Hey, I got one more before we get outta here. When you look at the game of where it is now and like, you know the trend of where it's going, as opposed to where it was when you first came in, say your first 5 to 7 years in the league, the overall IQ of basketball, do you see the IQ back then being higher or the IQ where it is today with guys today being higher?

That's a great question. You, you know, you, you're still in it. Uh, you know, I've been out 3 years, but you know, it hasn't been too long. But at the same time, I feel like maybe guys back then, Yeah. Focus more, I guess. You know, there's a lot more distractions now off the court, you know, social media. Like, you know, back then it wasn't, we didn't have social media. So we were kind of pretty much more locked in in the sense of, even like there's certain teams for me, like after we lost, or not if we lost, but when we were with the Celtics, after every game we'd be in the training room, would be, you know, Draymond Green, the Big Three, myself, and a couple other guys always talking game plan strategy, you know, how we lost, why we lost. Why we won, why we won't. I mean, yeah, it's like vice versa. So that was just kind of the thing, like, and it carried over like a lot of different teams I played for, but that was the one that stood out the most. Like we were always intact and we were always communicating and figuring out right away how we could have made adjustments throughout the game.

Yeah. Do you think that is, that is all a byproduct of how many adults was in the room then and how many young guys? Like there's no vets now.

No, that's what it is. And it was an important point in my career. I think it was maybe year like maybe 12 or 10, 11 for me. And all my homies was gone. It was like, damn, the league don't want the vets no more. Like I said, they don't appreciate them teaching them how to be a man, how to do, you know, how to conduct business on and off the court. Not just to be yes man. So for me, that was a big wake up call for me. Like, they ain't playing with y'all, y'all old fellas, 'cause they trying to get you out of here so they can have people. To me, I thought they could control or, people that can manipulate more to just say yes, everything they tell them what to do versus how to be a pro, what to do, the right things and when to insert this or when to ask questions. So it was just, you know, my difference of opinion and thinking that it wasn't, you know, the idea. They should have kept me in the locker room.

Man, I felt like they pushed the vets out for younger coaches that was the same age.

Bingo.

Thinking that they can do the same thing, but it's just a difference. And a level of respect when somebody get out there and can really get down. People seen you play in the finals. People seen you play in the playoffs. You got legacy. And so when you replace that with coaching, you know what I mean? You don't get the sauce, you don't get the ism, and you don't get the growth. You know what I mean?

Let me add one more thing, B, not to cut you off, but that's what, to me, like I speak for, it's what Sam Cassell came in for. You know what I mean? Like he was playing. T. Lue came in. Like those guys, the bridge connectors, the guy that would ever teach me, Okay, this is cool, this ain't cool. Just kind of what I told you what KG did for me. So like those point guards, the Stephon Marburys, like they brought those vets in for me to show me the ropes. And I took, like I said, a lot of from everybody and they was in my area, you know what I mean? They was giving me the game. Let me get it all of them. I vibe with all my teammates. You know, I say Eddie House, Posey. I mean, I just, I got all the game and I just try to soak it up.

That's what's up, man. Hey, that's so—

Shout out to you, man. Hall of Famer point guard. You one of the realest, you one of the realest to do it, man.

I'm gonna be out in LA soon, get on the show, get live with it.

Come on, come on now.

No doubt.

That's love, man. Basketball savant, champion. Much love and respect, man. Appreciate you, brother.

Love you. Have a good one, stay healthy, my dog.

Yes, sir. Thank you, bro.

My guy. Congrats on school too.

Yes, sir.

Appreciate it.

I'm almost done. That dude was a player, bro.

All righty, bro, I got you.

Yes, sir.

All right.

Go take Doc's job too.

I'm getting the game from him, man. My guy.