In this conversational YouTube segment, Draymond Green and former NBA guard Baron Davis dissect the emerging talent of OKC rookie Jalen "J Dub" Williams, drawing parallels between his skill set and that of Hall‑of‑Famer Scottie Pippen. They argue that Williams embodies the "Pippen mold"—versatile size, elite defense, and the ability to disrupt opponents—while also needing to carve his own identity much like Pippen did alongside Michael Jordan. The duo critiques how media narratives and documentary storytelling (e.g., the Michael Jordan documentary) can skew public perception, often elevating the star (Jordan, Steph Curry) and relegating the sidekick’s contributions to the background. They discuss the importance of winning to cement a legacy, the "Steph Curry effect" that brings constant national‑TV exposure to the Warriors, and how OKC’s media can separate Shea and Williams to shape their stories. Throughout, they emphasize compassion for Pippen’s post‑documentary “tailspin,” the necessity for Williams to build his own brand, and the strategic allocation of scouting minutes (e.g., Shaq vs role players). The conversation blends basketball analysis, media criticism, and personal anecdotes, ultimately concluding that Jalen Williams has the potential to become the next pivotal, versatile forward for the Thunder if he embraces the Pippen archetype and leverages media exposure wisely.
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Did you see Scottie's quote, or Scottie, um, when he was talking about J Dub and the comparison?
No.
So Scottie made a comparison. Um, Scottie said, he is pretty special. I'm enjoying watching him. I see a lot of me in him for sure. I see a guy rising to be one of the top players in this league. He's a player capable of leading that franchise to multiple championships. Him and Shea, of course. Does J— and so my question is, you know, does J Dub remind you of Scottie? And you know, Scottie got his thing against Mike. So did Scottie put J Dub name before Shea and slide Shea in? Is that still Scottie sliding Mike a little bit?
I mean— Damn.
You know, and of course Shea.
You know what I feel like it is? Like, Scottie Pippen want people to talk about Scottie Pippen like people talk about Mike, you know what I mean? So, like, and we need to talk about Scottie Pippen more, about Scottie Pippen, how cold Scottie Pippen is without Mike, right? We know he had Mike, that's cool. But Scottie Pippen, cold.
For sure. Right? Of course.
One of the coldest.
Absolutely.
Top 50, top 25. When you start thinking about it, game, a whole new, Scottie Pippen is the mold. Right? He is the mold. He is the mold that you can see in developing a youth player. 6'8", 6'9", 6'10". Versatility.
Mm-hmm.
Shadub, I think, is a Scottie Pippen. I think he's of that mold, right? And he's every, you know, every generation you get to redefine or evolve, right?
Mm-hmm.
Somebody who was like a mold of you, right? A one of one. But it's like, man, that was kind of like my, My sense, like that was my sensei. That dude got a black belt fighting like this. My style, my black belt style is like this. That's kind of like J Dub with Scottie Pippen, right? Little Scottie Pippen, more Scottie Pippen than anybody else. Not a Grant Hill, you know, not in that mode. It's like when you look at the mode of what Scottie do, what J Dub do on the defensive end, how hard he play, right? What he can do offensively where it— Mm-hmm. You may get him fucked up and think he can't score or can't make plays. Like, he is the one. Like you just said it, he is the one. And it's up to him to be able to like be his own Scottie Pippen, right? Scottie Pippen was Scottie Pippen coming to the game, right? On the board, you playing against the Bulls, on the little chart and on the board to coach, right? Michael Jordan, whatever he write, and Scottie Pippen. We gonna spend 20 on Jordan, we gonna spend 20 on Pippen, right? 'Cause Pippen gonna disrupt, he gonna disrupt everything you got going. And so that's, I think J Dub needs to be his, man, you need to go and be, you need to go build the name like Scottie Pippen built the name. Rocking with Jordan, right? And then you gotta be your own mole, your own one-on-one. 'Cause I mean, Scottie Pippen, one of the coldest to ever do it, bro. Let's call a fact a fact. And J Dub, to your point, he is the one that's going to be the linchpin, right? And the glue and the person to get them over Uh-huh. When you watch the Bulls and when they beat the Lakers, right? Scottie Pippen on Magic Johnson. I watched that game. That disrupted the whole game, right? When you watch the Bulls, when they played against Utah, right? Scottie Pippen making big shots, right? Doing the same thing. You may only see the Jordan highlights, but don't forget, there's somebody in that game disrupting the entire flow of the game and you have to pay attention to, that's Scottie Pippen.
No, I agree. I think obviously Scottie's greatness is not to be debated. Yeah.
But he is kind of like throwing, you know, the mic thing to them.
He doing that for sure. He doing that. I think doing that dumbs down how great he is though. —because it almost make you get compared to Mike, which like, come on, we can't like, we can't really compare Scottie to Mike.
Sometimes our ego don't let us articulate and we gotta articulate how unmatchable that dynamic was.
But I think also— It's— I think also, BD, I think Scottie's tailspin has really been since the documentary. You know, his tailspin has really been like that documentary came out and he kind of been tailspinning since. So I try to, you know, always have some compassion. And when I take a step back and I look at it, I may feel a way too after the documentary if it was like that and I know I had the impact I had. You know, it would suck if, you know, if Steph sat down and I feel like I didn't get the credit that I deserve. You know what I'm saying? Now, although on the flip side, in the documentary, Mike talk about Scottie and how, you know, great Scottie was.
Mike always talk about how great Scotty is. He don't never say nothing without Scotty. Me and Scotty.
For sure. Me and Scotty. But the documentary was MJ heavy, but it's MJ. Like a Warriors documentary, as much impact as I had, Klay had, a Warriors documentary gonna be heavy Steph Curry. Like that's just what it is. So I don't know, man. I still be wishing well for Scotty, man.
Yeah, let's say this. Michael Jordan is the sun. You know what I'm saying? We wake up as a hooper, you waking up to Michael Jordan. You know what I mean?
For sure.
Like, and that's it, right? So Scottie, you just like, you a moon. You a son too. Like, with Michael Jordan, you waking up in basketball. So the documentary gonna be about the most charismatic—
Mike's larger than life.
On-court basketball. You know, and like, yeah, they following Mike. They following Mike, man. Just don't let the celebrity, don't let the celebrity like tell your side of the story, homie. That's it.
Facts.
'Cause your shit is just compelling and it may be, even better because we get a broader perspective. We get more people involved. But that, you know, that's just power of media. Media, media. And that's what you were saying about OKC. Like, OKC, the media can separate Shea and J Dub, right?
Yes, they can.
But it's up to Shea and J Dub to do what Mike and Scottie did. You gotta go win. You gotta do what Steph and Klay and Draymond did. You gotta go do what Kobe, like Kobe and Shaq had the most most drama, all the drama, all the time.
Yes, they did. But they won.
But they won.
Mm-hmm.
But they won. They figured it out and they said, yo, I know I got Shaq and Shaq got 20 minutes. They gonna go over a review of every which way to guard Shaq. They ain't gonna go over 20 minutes of every which way to guard me. Everybody else gonna get, 2 minutes.
Yep, that's a fact.
If that, yeah, if you could get 5, 6 minutes in somebody's scouting report, uh, you a cold piece of work.
Absolutely. We always on national TV because we're a great team and we've had the success. But by no mistake, make no mistake about it, we're always on national TV because Steph Curry's on our fucking team. And so people be like, yo, y'all schedule is crazy. Like y'all travel crazy. And what I try to tell people is, well, the NBA schedule is built off the national TV game. Every year we have the most national TV games. And so our schedule is crazy. You know what I say to people?
Yo.
Buddy Hill and those guys, right? Like they come in, they ain't never really been on no team that played national TV games like that. And Buddy's like, "Man, y'all schedule crazy." And I'm saying, "Buddy, it's the Steph Curry effect, brother. You gonna be on national TV all the time, which in turn makes that schedule a little crazy." That is the luck, pleasure of playing with Steph Curry. And so to your point, the camera gonna follow Mike. Get in where you fit in, use it to your benefit where you can use it to your benefit. Ultimately knowing. Of course. And that's just that. Of course.
