442: From Hospital Doctor to Health Disruptor: Dr. Jess Peatross Reveals What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You About Supplements

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How much do we really need to be getting these vitamin and nutrient IVs? Is it important to be getting injections and doing these fancy IVs? And how much should we be focusing on detoxing and big, long detox protocols? How important is that today? I can't wait to have this conversation with Dr. Jess. She's a friend of mine that I met. My gosh, I met her a little over a year ago, maybe it was, I think, a little over a year ago. I loved her journey. I loved her story. I had her on my podcast originally just telling her whole story, and I had to have her back because of what she's up to. So what I love about Dr. Jess is she's a traditionally trained Western medicine doctor. She worked in the hospital system for years. What I love about Dr. Jess is she took her oath seriously. So it was to do no harm to patients. And she, unlike a lot of doctors, to remain nameless. But unlike a lot of them, she took this very, very seriously and said even if it upsets the board, even if it upsets the state, even if it upsets some of my colleagues and my paycheck and where I live, I will speak the truth. I'm going to constantly put patients, their health as the priority. She took this seriously, and then when she had her own setbacks, she took it to a whole nother level. So today, not only is she, you know, asked to speak on countless stages and interviews about what she's learned and what she believes and what she teaches, but she's also gotten very passionate about the supplement world and what's actually important and versus what's just marketing and gimmick and we don't really need. So thank you so much for being here today, Dr. Jess.

Thank you. Thank you, my friends. I really appreciate you having me back.

So for people that have not heard you yet, not met you yet. Can we tell a little bit about your story, your journey? Like you, you were a traditional doctor. That's what you wanted to do. Where did that start and where did that pivot in a very different direction?

Well, you know, I'm originally from West Virginia and I'm from the country. And when I grew up, there just wasn't talk of natural medicine or natural schools for doctors. So I barely knew about chiropractic school when I went to conventional medical school. And, you know, I believed everything they told me. I believed, you know, we don't know what the root cause of things are. And I got my flu shot every year and ate the cafeteria food and eventually, you know, I started to wake up around probably 2012, 2013, and it really started to pull my heartstrings because I didn't feel like discharging people on 40 different medications was health. I didn't feel like, you know, the different foods, the jello, the factory farm meat, the dairy we were feeding people in the hospital was okay when you have dealing with sick and chronically ill patients. And so I started to speak up and they didn't really like that very much. They labeled me a disruptive physician and asked me to stop being a liability. And so I ended up quitting because of that and really got trained in a bunch of different functional medicine things like ozone, things like the functional medicine, nutrigenomics and different things like that. And where I landed in the end when I kept asking questions, so I couldn't ask questions anymore about people and why they were sick, was that most of it was things like environmental toxins that were man made, industrial toxins, heavy metals, and then the significant pathogens that came with those things. Things like mold and parasites and Lyme that were overlooked. And, you know, it was hard for a really long time. I didn't make very much money. I was driving all over the place to shadow people, to learn. Um, but in the end, I feel so much better because I feel like I really, truly help people.

Yeah.

Get them off of medicine rather than put them on.

You know, it's so interesting because I believe that people decide they want to be a doctor for the right intentions. Like they want to heal, they want to help people, they want to really help. And where do you think this goes wrong? Because I feel like there's so many that fall out of what you're talking about and really they start listening to just the pharmaceutical side of things or it goes against being able to use what they intuitively know. And it's, it's a different, different process. Where do you think that goes wrong? What does that, where does that happen?

Honestly, I think it's a lot of group think and herd mentality, you know, conversations around the water cooler at the hospital. Certain things people do what you get used to seeing other doctors order and prescribe and say and write in charts. And there's a certain unspoken.

Precedent you're expected to follow. And you're not supposed to be loud or disruptive or speak out of turn. You're too busy. People are too busy for that. And I really do feel like a lot of it is herd mentality. I do.

Yeah. How did you, how were you able to still speak your truth? Knowing, like your license is at risk, knowing that you, you're going to have that judgment, knowing it's going to affect your paycheck? Like, how did you get past it? My gosh. You see people, they're scared to even just share on social media because of that. But you were risking your whole career.

I really feel as though back then, like this was probably, I was really being a loudmouth in the hospital around 2015 and 2015. And so I really feel like it was before the era of COVID where they came down and really threatened our licenses. So I was a little bit more brazen, I guess.

Yeah.

And then, and then. But you know, it did threaten my job and my livelihood. You know, they said, you can't work for us anymore if you don't stop this. And that's when I quit. And I really think, Natalie, it was a lot about ignorance. I didn't understand that there wasn't a ready made system out there for doctors, natural doctors. You know, when I graduated medical school, they plugged me into the hospital and my, my malpractice was taken care of, my insurance was taken care of. You know, everything was just laid out for you. When you are a chiropractor, a naturopathic doctor, or you know, any sort of natural practitioner, you have to know about business too, because there's not a ready made system for you to go out there and just plug and chug. And I think if I had known that, I probably wouldn't have jumped as quickly as I did because I made probably a fourth of what I was made in the hospital for a couple of years.

Yeah, you know, it's wild awake. And I want to say this because this is important. Just sometimes we'll hear somebody in the natural world, like maybe they're acupuncture or their chiropractic or their naturopath, but they're more, more traditional. Didn't go to traditional medical school like you did. And you'll hear them talk about something and the, the argument from a commenter or a naysayer will say, they'll say, well, they're not a real doctor. They're not a real doctor. But what's so wild to me is here you actually are that real doctor. Like you went to the traditional system, you did the medical school, you did the residency, and you said, I need to look at the more natural path. So you're literally the combination of both and you still got that judgment, which is so wild.

Oh, yeah. I feel very. Because I took a road less traveled. I felt that I recently was very persecuted for things, you know, but that's to be expected. If you're going to be outspoken and you're going to be a trailblazer, you're going to, you better get used to criticism and it's not always constructive.

Yeah, yeah. So talk to me about your health journey. And then you all. I'm going to get into exactly what I brought up because I have a lot of questions for her, but I want you to understand her background first. So, number one, she's, she's a traditional trained doctor. She worked in the hospital system, she's did the residency, she did all the things. But she also started thinking outside of the box, risked her job for the idea of helping patients and then what helped it on your own health journey? And I believe some of this stress probably played a role, I'm assuming.

Oh, absolutely. I think it played the biggest role and I think it's so underappreciated, really, in society. So I have a pretty resilient genotype and phenotype, meaning my genes and my body are pretty resilient. I. I'm not sensitive to supplements. I could probably eat whatever I wanted, even if I choose not to. And so I, I really thought that I would sick. And I ended up really turning into one of my patients. And I respect so many people who are ill now because I see how it's hard to see yourself and how by the time you catch up with it, it's too late. And so for me, I had a series of events happen, lawsuits, and they came after my license in California. You know, I eventually surrendered for doing vaccine exemptions. So there's been a lot of really controversial, you know, stressful, stressful things that have happened to me.

I ended up garnishing a title of complex ptsd after the last seven years, which is not a big huge event. You know, that happened like a war that caused ptsd, but it's complex. PTSD is a title given to people who've had a number of traumas back to back that add up that caused this picture. And I actually had an emotional traumatic brain injury from this. And what we think happened is that I really was stripped of B vitamins. You know, when you're really stressed out long term, you start to dump minerals and vitamins out in the urine. Things like sodium, potassium, magnesium. And so I was really low in minerals in general, but especially B vitamins. By the time I figured out what was going on, I had gotten labs and some of my labs were just outrageously ridiculous. Like my mcv. That's a regular lab in your complete blood cell. Complete blood count panel, cbc, cannel and IT panel. It shows if red blood cells are too big because you have a B vitamin deficiency. So you want this really around 85, 90. Mine was 106. So I had these huge red blood cells. You need B vitamins to make red blood cells. And what this did was it gave me neuropsychiatric symptoms. I mean, I was, you know, really contemplating suicide certain days. I was super depressed.

You got an actual depression from this?

Oh, my gosh, it was heavy.

Yeah. You said something a minute ago that I'm gonna. I wanna circle back and ask, because I feel like some people, when they hear that, they shut out whoever I'm talking to or whoever I'm interviewing. And I wanna. I wanna lean into that because it's important. So you made a comment about. I wrote the most vaccine exemptions in California, San Diego. I know you were living there. And they didn't like that. And I just. Anyone that was maybe triggered by that. I just wanna be really clear. This is not a conversation about being anti vax or Probax. It's a conversation about some people. Some people whether, no matter what you believe, you have to own that some people would not do well with vaccines. Some people. Right. So we're not saying necessarily everyone whether you believe or not. Some people. So what happened was in California, it was very hard to get that exemption if you knew you had a family problem or an autoimmune or. So Dr. Jess became somebody who had that compassion and would help. And so I just want to. I don't want to skip over how stressful that must have been, where you are actually helping people that are coming to you basically asking for mercy, saying, I don't Know what to do. Like, I'm scared my kid will die.

Yes.

And I can just. I want to acknowledge, like, how much weight that must have been on you in that conversation.

Absolutely. It was. I appreciate that. Yeah, it was, it was the hardest decision in my life actually. And yeah, because I went into it really trying to do it for the, for the health of the children. You know, California passed a law where they mandated 72 doses of vaccines to attend public school. And just, you know, I could handle that. I'm a resilient genotype. But.

And a lot of people could, but. But some can't.

Yeah, some really just. You can't. You have to respect that. Some can't.

Yeah. So I just want to. Because, you know, even I know people that are really against changes with vaccines or even the new administration, and I always ask them, I'm saying, well, regardless of what you believe or what you're against or what you want for you, do we acknowledge that some people can't handle that? You know, some. And starting with that. And I just. In California it was very hard to find a doctor that would help with that exemption. And so. So just was just. Was one of them. So because you were navigating that and had so much stress from that, I believe that also is what obviously pushed over your health.

Absolutely. You know, I was in a pretty, you know, a relationship that didn't feel safe to. There was a. It was hitting me from a lot of different angles in my life. And I was saying, I can handle it, I can handle it. Like I think a lot of women do, as we, especially in midlife, we think ER Superwoman. And I was no different. And I was also running, you know, two businesses at the time. And so really when I got, when I got those labs and I saw, you know, My MCV was 106, my vitamin D was 10. Wow. 10, 10, you guys. I mean, I don't even know how I was living. And then, you know, my CRP, which is a high non specific inflammation marker, was 8 and it's supposed to be low below 3. And I wondered, gosh, no wonder I couldn't lose this 30 extra pounds I had in my body. I was full of inflammat. And it came from stress.

Yeah, that's. That's wild. So when we talk about stress killing, I don't know how people really don't. I. I'm in denial about it too sometimes. Obviously I know that I can. I live that type A life. Um, so we start with external things. We're like, well, I should start to meditate or I need to walk in the beach and. Which, by the way, just lived in California and now Florida. So she. She got the beach part dialed in. She. She had that down. You did what a lot of other people would did. You started doing IVs and experimenting with those cocktails you called it before we started interviewing, the Myers cocktail. Tell us about those. And why have those gotten so popular? And do they actually work or what are they doing?

You know, they will have. They helped me so much. I mean, I can remember getting my labs back, was at a Joe Dispenza event and going, I need B vitamins and going to get an iv, and I felt like I was high, like I could fly home. It was wild. And I thought, gosh, you know, I must really need this. Clearly, my labs even show it, you know, so in a Myers cocktail, which sounds like an evening drink drink, it's not. It's actually an IV full of things like vitamin C and B vitamins and some minerals, and sometimes they'll give you a little glutathione push if you ask for that at the end, too, which is a master antioxidant. And I loved it, you guys. It made me feel so good. I. I knew immediately my body was deficient in many, many minerals, not just the ones probably that they were giving me. And, you know, when you feel it immediately, within like 10 minutes, it says a big thing. You know, what's weird for me is I was so stressed out. I was eating the right diet. I was eating red meat, was eating eggs, and I still wasn't getting B vitamins. I didn't have vitamin D. I was out in the sun. So I was just stressed out. I wasn't able to absorb and assimilate things. So that was my reasoning for getting the IVs, is there's something going on with my gut. I'm leaky gut. I'm not absorbing things because I'm so stressed my body can't even do it. So I need to bypass my gut and go right into a vein where I can ensure that, you know, I'm getting all the things I need because I feel terrible. And I can't go in another day not feeling I can. Like, I can get out of bed.

But when you go the IV route, how often is enough? And is this something like you'd have to do every day? Because I feel like some people are like, oh, once a month I go get an iv.

Is that doing anything?

Is this. Where is that line and where is this more important than doing an actual supplement? Like, help us understand that? Because I think people do spend a lot of money on IVs, not really understanding what they're doing.

That's right. I mean, really, when it's something like a chronic pathogen or infection that you have, I don't really think they. They hit the mark as much as I'd like them to, to be quite honest with you. But something like missing minerals or a vitamin deficiency, they really fill the gap for that until you can get your gut back on track, you know, that should be the goal is, you know, like, how. How am I going to get 100% absorption or get my gut to remember how to absorb again? And at that point, I was just too stressed out to do it until I got some minerals in me to ground me. And then, okay, I can get my gut and my brain back a little bit. So I can take things orally, but, yeah, they work great for just things like that. And I would suggest, you know, for me, I felt them for about 10 to 14 days. Okay. So. So most people end up going, you know, once a week and once every other week. For me, it was every other week. And I did that for probably two, two and a half months until I thought, okay, I think I can probably absorb a little bit better now. I'm going to move over to supplements and powders and cap capsules and eventually, you know, liquids are really my favorite. Liposome. Yeah.

So, yeah.

Yeah.

What is. I'm going to ask you about that in just a minute because I have.

A lot of questions there.

But what about some people? Me included? This has happened to me where sometimes I'll get an IV and it doesn't feel good. It feels. It's like it. It does the opposite effect. Like I noticed with me, if I were to do a glutathione push and an iv, I don't feel good after. Why? What is that? That happens to some people and why are some people absorbing it? And some people, it's so, you know.

That'S a good thing for, you know, anyone to know about their genes. So there are some genetic differences that can be turned on or off for people, people who don't do well, Some people can. Some people can't even take oral glutathione. But definitely, if you have problems with the iv, you might have a genetic mutation called cbs, just like the news station cbs. And that's an inability to process sulfur that is not made inside your body. It's given to you and glutathione is a master antioxidant, but it's made from sulfur. So if you guys have ever seen glutathione in a product, it can smell like. Like a fart almost. Yeah, because it smells like.

It's funny that people describe it, though, because I actually like the taste of it. So I don't like.

Tastes good. It does, but the tastes like people tastes like it smells. So. But, you know, some people can't take it in IV form because they have this genetic predisposition. And then some people have a really common genetic dis. Predisposition called a slow C O M T. And in that one, they can't take methylated B vitamins very well. It kind of makes them feel like they had too many cups, too many cups of coffee.

Okay, that's funny. That's. That's what I actually have. I actually have that. And that makes sense now because why I feel that with IVs, I can't do them, but I can take supplements and not have that issue.

So you probably have like one genetic change, like one allele. You probably don't have both of them. So you. You can take oral things and be fine, but when you get iv, you're like, whoa, that is too much.

Yeah, it doesn't feel good. I'm like, you're supposed to feel better. It doesn't work.

Right.

Okay, now, it's interesting because you decided to create, partner with and create Aegis. Where did that come from? Why did you decide? Is it because you saw that? Were you using certain supplements that you didn't believe in, or did you. Was there not existing things on the market for, like, what was your thought process behind that?

Well, originally, I really wanted to work with a team I could trust because in the past, I picked the wrong business people to work with. And so this team has been excellent. We all have different characteristics and talents that are very synergistic. So. So that was really important to me. A. And I wanted to be intentionally disruptive within the market. I really wanted to fill a gap that that was needed and that it was built on my personal story that I needed supplements for me. So our flagship product was created because I needed methylated B vitamins. Selfish. It's a selfish genesis. But honestly, like, I wanted a product that I KN could absorb and the other people who have problems with their gut, their bloating, their leaky gut could absorb. And so the creation of Aegis, which actually ES means shield in Latin.

Aegis formulas was created with the the goal of actually putting supplements out in the, in the community and in society that not just work and heal, but actually are bioavailable if we can help it. You know, we can't put everything in a liquid because of the taste, but if we can help it be kind to people. We want to make, create supplements that we know can get where they need to get so they can be efficacious and work.

Okay, so let's talk about this one thing. I drink every day from you because I, I didn't even know what I was taking. And she's like, here, try this. I'm like, this is good. My body's craving it. And when I told you that you're like, your body needs it if it's, if you're feeling like that, like you want it. So I want to talk about glutathione. We're going to talk about nano glute plus B first because explain what glutathione is for people and B vitamins, like why this is important and what goes wrong. Trying to take this on your own other ways.

Yeah, absolutely. So glutathione, I've mentioned it a couple times, is, is the master antioxidant in the body and it's a sulfur based compound and it really, really helps with phase two liver detox. So there's a lot of different things that can be detoxed out through the liver with glutathione. So we often see it in liver detoxes for that reason. Methylated B vitamins, they are just, I have to tell you, I underscored how important they were. They are just a catch all for so many different things. And I didn't know how much my body needed them. They, they needed to make red blood cells which carry oxygen in the body with hemoglobin. Right. They need, they're needed to make hormones and neurotransmitters in the body. And, and you know, if you're trying to get pregnant, they'll tell you to have a good prenatal with methylated bees to prevent spina bifida. And so there are so many different reasons that you need B vitamins. And actually they are needed in phase one and phase two liver detox as well. So another reason for liver detox, methylated bees and glutathione. And so vitamin C, another catch all antioxidant that helps with wound healing, collagen immunity. There's so many different things with vitamin C as well.

You said something that I know sounds easy to you. But I think most my listeners probably don't know what you mean by it, and I definitely don't. What do you mean by phase two, liver detox? Like what is it, what does that mean? And why is that important?

Yes, good question. So there's different phases of liver detox. And so what the liver does is it, whether it comes in contact with something that can dissolve in fats or dissolve in water, it has to turn it from fat soluble to water soluble. And so in phase one, it'll add some chemical reactions to things and sometimes it makes a more toxic byproduct product that then is completely turned into water soluble. So you can pee it out in the urine in phase two. So really this is a way, when I'm talking about phase one and phase two, I'm talking about the way the liver takes compounds, man made or not, and detoxes them to make them less potent and water soluble, so then it can pee out in the urine.

So I wanna, so you're.

Okay, you're.

Because a lot of people would think, well, doesn't, isn't your liver just supposed to do this? Isn't that what the organ does? So how does like a, a healthy functioning ideal liver work versus what's changing as we age here?

Absolutely. So the liver can get overwhelmed too. Right. We really want our filter organs to run at peak performance, but they're, they're, you're human and things can get kind of run down and we can get things in the way that stop up like a traffic jam, the way that things get detoxed. So, so many times there are things like heavy metals that can get in the way and you need certain minerals to be able to detox things as well too. So with the liver, I would say as you age, it's almost like filling up a toxin bucket. Right. The liver gets less efficient at processing, less efficient at recognizing toxins.

Is that when they say like a stagnant liver, is that what that is?

Okay, Absolutely. What it is. Absolutely. Even like non alcoholic fatty liver disease. Okay. That's a big doctor term for a stagnant liver that's not processing things and it's building up fat inside the liver because it's not able to process infiltration alter correctly.

So if you have a stagnant liver and it's not processing things correctly, correctly or is getting, what does that create in your body? Like what happens? Like what's the outcome?

A lot of times people get like a toxic overload, they'll start to get skin rashes, they Might get headaches, they might have constipation, they might feel irritable. Right. Because things can cross over the blood brain barrier even and cause inflammation in the brain. So it's really the filter organ starts to not be able to release things from the body and it starts to build up. And depending on what it is, it can cause different symptoms for people.

So what's so interesting is you hear so many people talking about like, I'm going to detox, I'm going to do like, I'm going to watch the water I'm drinking or I'm going to dry brush, I'm in a sauna, which is. I love all those things. But like, but you don't hear enough people talking about the actual liver and like, if that's not healthy in your body, like you could do all this other stuff. But that's like the most important part, I would imagine. So if I'm hearing you correctly, like, why wouldn't you do supportive supplements to help with that? So if I heard you correctly, like your nano glute plus B, that's literally what it's targeted to do. Is that so it it to help with that pathway?

1,000%. Okay. You'll hear a lot of people who take it and say, oh, it helps my PMS or my cycles this month. I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. Because the liver makes all the cholesterol that then turns into estrogen and progesterone.

So it's just got it. So that's why. Okay, so because if you're not detoxing there properly, you're going to have other problems with everything that makes sense. So this is like a simple thing to add. Now why would you do this versus just any glutathione on the market? Or like why? Because there's so many people that make glutathione. Or like, why this instead?

You know, it really depends on what you love. Some people love patches, some people like pills. For me, I prefer something that's liposomal and nano.

What does that mean? Liposomal enamel.

So nano. Don't worry, guys. I feel like people think I've got little like buttons crawling on outside them. When I say nanotechnology. No, it just means that things are less than 1 micron in size. So it's very small. Which means. And then liposomal means that we've got it packaged in a little fat globule. So it's easily absorbed in the mouth or buccal cavity. And so when held onto the tongue for 30 to 60 seconds. We can guarantee 100 absorption for people through here rather than having to swallow a pill and processed by the stomach acid and then filtered by the liver and absorbed. You know, you really probably get 20 to 25% of capsules absorbed. And I. That just wasn't good enough for me, especially with my situation. I wanted something that I knew that what I was paying for was being 100% absorbed.

Okay, so I've been doing this every day. Your nanogram glute plus B. But I haven't been doing what you just said. So am I supposed to be holding it under my tongue? I'm screwing this up. Oh, my gosh.

That's okay. That's okay. You're still getting some of it.

But I'm not getting 100%. Okay, so you'll get a lot more. Yeah. You hold it under your tongue. Okay. I didn't know this. I know.

That's okay.

Swallow it. I'm like, oh, it's good. I like it. It's so funny because when she first, I was just like, yum. And you're like, some people don't like the taste. I'm like, this is good. And then I texted you later, I'm like, I need more of that stuff. That was good.

Oh, yeah, I love. That's my favorite. I don't ever miss it. I don't ever miss it.

Do you do like four droppers and you hold it under your tongue each time for 30 seconds?

Yes, absolutely. Yeah. And you should feel like, you know, within a few minutes because it absorbs so quickly there. You should feel a lift and brain fog. You should feel grounded, calm energy. You should feel, you know, kind of a. More of a pep in your step a little.

That's so funny, because I have another supplement which I'm not going to share about right now that is also liposomal. I didn't know what it meant, so I was like, I got to. I don't. I didn't know. Now I understand.

Okay.

I didn't understand. So it's like that's. It's the fat globule. So it makes. Helps you absorb it. 100. Or if you just take a capsule, you're not now. If you're now. But if you're doing an IV like you said you originally, you're also absorbing 100 because it's going direct. Is there any benefit to doing that versus this? Does it matter?

It doesn't really matter. I would say that the IV is probably. You're going to hit you a little Bit harder. Right. You're going to have a bigger batch. They're going to have way more vitamin C, let's say an IV than what we would put in that supplement, you know, a daily dose. So. So they're hitting you with a bigger milligram punch, I would say. And if it's going straight into a vein, you're probably going to even feel it faster than absorbing in the beautiful cavity.

So it sounds like anyone could take this unless you said you have both. Did I hear this right? Both of the calm T. And you can't do sulfur, but if you have one, you probably still can. Did I, is that actually.

That's right. That's right. And for everyone listening, don't freak out and say, oh my gosh, I have to have genetic testing before I can take this. You know, you can take one dropper full and see most people, even if they have a slow CMT or you really, really sensitive, you guys know how you are. You can titrate very slowly. There's no reason to start out, you know, with four dropper falls if you're not.

What would it feel like? If it's too much like what would you, what would, what would, how would you know? It's like not the right thing.

It's almost like they feel like they've had too much caffeine, like they're too pinged or turned on.

Anxiety? Like a little anxiety maybe?

Yeah, a little jittery.

Okay, that's funny. Okay, I have. So I have a lot of questions here, but I don't want to get off on a too much of a tangent, but this is like a personal question to me too. So does this have to do like some.

Like mitochondrial supplements, they have that feeling too. Is that that same connection?

So it's a little bit different here, the B vitamins. Well, the B vitamins do help mitochondria. They do help things like that. They're just kind of foundation stuff. So they're going to turn on all the energy producing mechanisms and really revving up, you know, your ways to make neurotransmitters and things. And people just. If you slow CMT breaks things like adrenaline down and cortisol and estrogen and so if it's slow, you're going to have trouble just breaking down some of processes.

They're revving you up.

Yeah.

Like I know for me I can't do nad for that reason. It like makes me feel like I'm on speed.

That's right. Like a tweaker. You're like, yeah, it's not fun.

No. So are people hurting themselves by doing that? Because I don't want. Because I know people are going to listen and make. Is it. Is it more. Your body just reacts different to it but it's still beneficial or is it like. No, if you're feeling that you should not do.

It's actually still. Some people still really need B vitamins. Even if they can't handle like methylated B vitamins. Vitamins, they still need them. And so they still have these. These processes to run in the body that can't happen, but it feels so overwhelming to their body that they just can't tolerate it. So I would say they're still good, but they can't handle it. Luckily there's other types of B vitamins they can handle that are made for their genes. Things like adenosyl cobalt or hydroxy cobalt or San E. But. But this. It's not hurting you. It's just really uncomfortable.

Yeah. So it's just listening to your body and you kind of know this. That didn't feel good. This did feel good. I will I the same conversation with nad just like everyone's going, it's the most amazing. I'm like, but I take it and I don't feel good. So it's. It's listening to. You have to listen to what your body is feeling good with versus what it doesn't. But I will tell you, based on what you just said, like, I'm probably one of those ones that wouldn't ideally do glutathione, but I actually love this and I feel great with it. So there's that too.

That's good. That's good. Everyone's asked, you know, we have a smaller dose in some people in that and it's because it's liposomal and it's nano. We can guarantee 100% absorption. We don't have to up the dosages like you would in a capsule form because we know you can absorb more. Yeah. Makes. I'm glad it works.

So let's talk about Tadka now because I hear a lot of companies say tadka and I didn't realize until you told me that you're Tadka Max. That Tadka is like an actual thing that people do. Explain what that is and why we need to look at that.

So Tadka is a really big name, you guys. I'm going to say it for you. Toro. You're so de Alic acid and God, I can remember that. Right?

It's that again five times. Yeah.

Toro, you're so de colic acid. Right? So. And so Tucker for short, the T. And Tucker stands for Toronto. Taurine. Tauro for short, with a word. And taurine is an amino acid. It actually is able to cross the blood brain barrier and help with cognition and brain fog. So a lot of tech it can also have, if you look up the studies, a lot of benefit with like things like neurodegenerative conditions like Alzheimer's and people have a lot of brain fog and neuroinflammation, the taurine. And Tucker really, really helps with that. Otherwise, tuck is a bile salt. And what it does is it helps the formation and flow of, of bile. Now, why should you guys care about bile? Yeah.

What is really boring? Like, what is it? No, we need to know what is it? Like, this is the reason people say this stuff is boring is they don't understand it. So that's why I want you to help us, like really understand. What is it? What is the point of bile? What is it doing?

So you guys, most of the ladies listening will understand what bile is when I say this. Bile is what causes you to have your gallbladder taken out. It is made by the liver and stored in the little sac that hangs below the liver on the right upper quadrant of your abdomen. And that's called the gallbladder. And so anytime you eat a fatty meal.

You expel bile. And so the systemic acid in your stomach breaks down food. It's really acidic. Then you push stuff from the stomach into the small intestines. And the minute it enters the small intestines, the bile is very alkaline. It's not acidic. So you pour bile in there actually to stop the acidic reaction. And bile is actually a breakdown of red blood cells. So you can see if you don't have B vitamins, how your bile would start to be stagnant over time. Right, right. All connected. So. So bile is really good for breaking down fatty foods. If your soul floats all the time, you're dumping too much fat out in the stool. There's something going on with the bile.

Right, got it.

Okay. Yeah. So bile is really important too, for absorbing fat soluble vitamins. It's really fatty. Remember vitamins A, D, E and K. So a lot of people who will have really low vitamin D, like I did, I have to ask about their bile. So you can see, because I have B vitamin deficiency, I had stagn bile because the breakdown of red blood cells needed to be made from B vitamins. And then I can absorb things like Vitamin D, because I.

Got it. So Tadka helps this not be stagnant. Did I say that right? Got it. So is there any reason people shouldn't be. I mean, it sounds like everyone needs to take this.

I wanted to create this supplement to my favorite supplements on the market. I have such a passion for Tucker because it helps women cycle, it helps bowel movements, it helps cognition. So different liver detox. I had to make it, and I really wanted something that everyone needed.

And is there something, any reason you would not want to take Tadka?

You know, if you had a big gallstone, you might want to be really careful or take it under guided supervision.

Because it would break it up too quick. Is that what would happen or what would it?

Well, sometimes TAD can stimulate gallbladder contraction. And when a big stone, it would hit up the wall, right. The. The where. And if the stone is banging up against the gallbladder, it's. That's what causes gallbladder pain. That's what leads to people having their gallbladders taken out. So you really want to be careful if there's a big, huge gallstone.

Okay, but how. But if we don't know. We would know if we had a gallstone, I would imagine.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, you would know. You would be pretty much be in pain most of the time.

So the only time before I got yours to try and I just trusted you, I'm like, oh, just let's take it. I'll take it.

It.

But before I started doing that, the only time I ever heard of people taking taika is when they were doing, like, a parasite cleanse or they're doing a liver detox or whatever.

So there.

It sounds to me, just from asking this question, that the reason they put those in those protocols is it doesn't hurt. You have to move your bile along. You have to make it not stagnant. So they're just adding that in almost like, as an insurance thing. Is that accurate?

Yeah, it's one of the supplements I would use for drainage or opening detox organs. So I like to prep the body before I do a detox. I like to make sure it's ready. I like to make sure people are sleeping okay. They can sweat okay. They're pooping twice a day. Their bowel and their liver is kind of in okay shape. And tuck is one of the ways I get them there before the detox.

Got it. So you don't have to just take this, though, for a detox, like we should be. So you take this every day I do.

I take it probably every other day. Every couple of days. I'm sort of a bad patient that way.

Does it matter when you take it? Or with food or without food?

I really want. Yes, it does matter. You want to take. Take it with food. Preferably a fatty meal, actually, if you can. And I really like it up. I take it religiously every day the week before my cycle because it helps with PMS symptoms or menopausal symptoms for people, too. Because the bile is a part of hormones.

How is it. I don't. I'm not sure I understand the hormone connection with bile. Help with that.

So there's something called the enterohepatic pathway, which is where bile is the kind of. Remember I talked about phase one, phase two, liver detox. Bile is phase three. So what happens with this is the bile is able to dump estrogen out the bowels, but here's where it's connected to the gut. There's. If you have a lot of dysbiosis, meaning bad gut bacteria, there's a certain type of bacteria that is so smart, it's able to talk to the body and it tells the body, hey, untag that estrogen you have tagged for disposal out the bowels. So instead of pooping out the estrogen, this gut bacteria tells your body to reabsorb the estrogen through the bile back into the. Back into the bloodstream. So then. Then you have an estrogen dominance.

Yes, but it's not like the good estrogen that you want to help with your aging and stuff. So you're getting. It's like a recycled. Okay, so see this. So thanks. You're explaining this really well because we hear little bits and pieces from our clinician, but not the full story here. So this is starting to make sense. So, like, a lot of people get the Dutch test, for example, and they see they have that happening, but they're like, but I'm having hot flashes, so how am I estrogen dominant?

It's.

This makes sense because it's coming back through here.

Right, Exactly. Or you know, their progesterone is too low compared to the reabsorption of estrogen. Right. It's all the ratios.

So just because you're reabsorbing estrogen, it does not mean it's the right kind of estrogen because you've. Now you're using, like, use re. It's. Am I saying that. Correct me if I'm saying that's wrong. I'm trying to connect the dots here because, like, you hear menopausal women. They're like, but I have. I have low estrogen symptoms. But they are. But their Dutch test is showing they have too much estrogen. This is probably what's happening. Happening.

Exactly, exactly. And so. And then we can need to look at this one marker on a gut test. And the marker is beta glucuronidase.

Okay.

And so what? This enzyme that this bacteria makes in the gut is beta glucuronidase. That's what tells the body to untag estrogen and stop pooping it out. So reabsorption. So I see this so much on gut tests. People have this number so high. And then I give them something like calcium D glucarate, which helps glucone radiation, which is phase two, liver detox. It helps phase three. And then everything starts being pooped out as it should. Estrogen dominance goes away and people's symptoms get better.

Okay, so I have a question. Now this is going to get a little bit more specific. Sorry, I'm going a little deeper here.

Yeah.

So what's the difference then between taking calcium glucuronidate or dim or doing tadka or could you be doing all of them? Because they all seem to do that, but different ways.

They work in very synergistic ways. You're exactly right. I'm glad that you said dim because dim helps to shuffle over the bad estrogen to the good estrogen and it helps slow. Okay. Calcium D glucarate helps from reabsorbing it. So you can see how they fix two different problems here. Right. Okay. In different ways. So it's really good to get a Dutch test and a gut test if you really want to know what's going on. But then also, Tadka works on moving the bile. Right? So. So yes, they. They're very synergetic. Synergistic. They work in completely different ways. And I would say you need to be a little more careful with dim. You need to know what kind of type of estrogen you're making. But calcium D glucarate is pretty ben. So is Tadka.

Okay, when you said that about be careful with dim, I'm guessing because it could take out too much estrogen and then you. You're too like. So like someone like me who's wearing an estrogen patch, I'm trying to get my estrogen up. Dim would yank that out.

So.

So what would be safer is the calcium duke D glucuronidate and tud max, because that's just helping my Body process. Is that accurate?

Exactly.

You guys following this, tell us if we're, if we're talking too deep, trying to make this, trying to break this down simple. So this is, this is important because we' a lot of guests on talking about hormones. But like it's, these are the important little things that a lot of doctors skip with us because they're, you know, it's a five minute visit and they're not getting all this information. So we hear, you know, it's hard enough to get a freaking Dutch test sometimes.

Like it's, it's horrible to get testing that you need to find everything out. I mean, it's really hard to. Because you need a gut test with this and a hormone test to know the full picture. And honestly, Dan, you know, you need to know that you're making, making the. It's. There's a 4 oh estrogen that is leans more towards breast cancer and you won't want that. You want the 2 oh. So dim helps shuffle from the 4 oh to the 2 oh while also lowering estrogen. So there's a lot of women I see that are menopausal that making the wrong type of estrogen. But then their Dutch test says, oh, you have too little estrogen, but all the estrogen you're making is the wrong type. Right?

Yeah.

So then, so then you're like, what do you do? What I suggest is getting a saliva test, a zrt saliva hormone test to make sure you're metabolizing the hormone properly. The slide will tell you and that you can match up with the Dutch test. For me, my, on my Dutch test, my estrogen, progesterone and testosterone are all pretty low. When I got saliva test, my progesterone was the only one that was low.

So you know how confusing this is for us because like you're breaking this down a lot. But I, you know, I think of every guest you had on here and you have like, I just recently had a guest that said she doesn't believe in Dutch tests. I had somebody else say they don't believe in saliva test. So there's just so many opinions out there. It's really hard for people. It's really hard for us to know.

It's hard. I, I agree. And to be honest, this is sometimes why people get frustrated with the practitioners and the doctors because they'll suggest lots of testing. And it's because we're comparing the test because nothing is perfect. And we're trying to get the perfect answer for you guys by looking at Things in a. In a different lens and a different perspective to figure out what it is.

So don't get annoyed with the doctor. Do it so we. So I know because, like, sometimes they want like the genetic. You're. I. You're like, why all these tests? But it makes sense because you want to understand. Understand. Just like you said with the genetic testing at the beginning, it helps you figure out why you might be having a reaction to something or where other people don't.

Predisposition, you know? And my thing with test is I don't get a lot of tests. I'm not test heavy. I usually people will have to ask me for tests rather than me suggest them, but sometimes with hormones, they're a little trickier. They really are, ladies. And so for me, I like to look at the bile, the liver, the main organization, organs that make hormones that are responsible for them. The guts a little bit involved too. So I explained that to you guys. So that's why I like to hit it from different angles. The TAD kind of looks at the liver. Right.

But I also kind of like what you did here because I don't even know if you. You really realize you. Or if you were that strategic about it. But you said instead of just like going and just recommending general supplements or saying, go get an iv, you're saying, okay, I see the commonalities with tests. I see what could be going on. Going on. I'm gonna create some products that it really, no matter what your test comes back, these are going to kind of be safe for you. Like, that's. I like that because I think of some supplements that, that we hear about, and they're. They're not actually ideal for everybody. And like, you did something like Tug and Max the way you did it, like, we all can really use it. It's not gonna. It's not dangerous. It's like, we can all use it. It's gonna help all of us without having to have all the tests to make sure when you pick up another. So I do like that about this. I see where you really put the thought process into it.

Yeah. And, you know, with nanoblood B, it's more of a liver supplement. And then tadka is the bile. But we also have nac and milk thistle in there too, which also helps with liver detox. So these two together are more like a liver gallbladder expert kit. And yeah, I really wanted to pair these together because I'll tell you, welcome to the western world, where one out of three people has the problems with the Liver, Stagnant liver.

And okay, so that's interesting. You just said milk. So you all, how many times have you had milk thistle tea because you heard it's good for your liver? This is why. So she's basically saying we're putting that herb in here to make that, to make that work. That makes a lot of sense to me. Okay, those are the two products I'm taking you guys by the way, Tadka and the nano glute B and that's what I'm doing. And by the way, I'm going to, I'm going to link all this up for you guys too. We're not done yet. But if you go to midlife conversations.com AIs a e g I s so midlife conversations.com aegis a e g I s and, and then Jess and her company gave us a little discount for listening. So it's Natalie Jilt and you get a discount if you want to try anything. Um, okay, now let's talk about the two that I'm not actually using yet but I'm probably going to start. Cause like you're going to drop some knowledge bombs on me and I'll understand. Explain the elemental edge to me because to me I picked it up and I'm like, well it's minerals and there's already minerals I use. Why is this different? Why should we be using it? In addition, like tell me why you don't develop this, right?

I love minerals in my water, guys. I'm not knocking them all. Do it every day too. But depending on what you're using, if you look at them, they'll say, you know, 70, 86 trace minerals, something like that. They may say, you know, sodium, potassium, magnesium, and that's it depending on what you're doing. So for me I was doing that stuff too. But when I was really stressed out, it wasn't enough. I loved it, but it wasn't enough. And let me explain why. Physiologically, if you are stressed out long term, first your blood pressure raises. You can think about that. People really stress that they have high blood pressure, all right? Because they're, they're blood vessels are constricted, they're stressed out all the time. But over time, over the long term, you'll start to see people's blood pressure drop over time. You'll start to see them get fatigued and not be able to get out of bed after long term stress. Chronic fatigue syndrome that is due to dumping minerals out of the kidneys. Things like sodium, potassium, calcium, magnesium. That's why you need more magnesium, you need more B vitamins when you're stressed out. And I went years, years binding and sweating and being stressed out and binding all my minerals up and sweating all my minerals up and then being stressed out. So for me, these trace minerals and water just weren't cutting it. I needed high doses, things that they often didn't have high enough. You know, things like boron, which really helps you sleep, helps activate vitamin D, things like, you know, B2, riboflavin and vitamin E, which help even lower prolactin levels in the brain. They help to like air traffic control, control with hormones here. So, so for me, I needed the high doses and more than the recommended daily allowance. So in this, this mineral formula, I really included high doses of trace minerals, things like copper, chromium, cobalt, magnesium, selenium, iodine. There's, there's more in there as well. But for this formula, I did not include B vitamins because they're already in nano glue B.

And so it sounds to me like you're making this as more of a therapeutical like because you were getting yourself healthy. Like, you were like, this is something that, Right, So this makes sense. It's, it's almost like your prescription for this is like, okay, so yes, I believe in trace minerals. Yes, I think it's important. And like she knows the brands that I've shared and use. We talked about.

I love that.

Like beam, that I love. But she's saying keep doing that. And this is also another level of like, you can add this in too, especially if you're feeling sick or you've been highly stressed or another level.

Yes, 1,000%. That's what I use it for. And I still take them every day. And you'll see the recommended daily allowance on there. This is a capsule. Sorry guys, because these minerals taste awful. So you want them to come in a capsule. They, they taste awful. Yeah, minerals taste terrible.

They smell bad in the capsule though.

So they're like a metal taste almost. So that's why we did a capsule with this one. But you know, you can see the recommended daily allowance is four pills. And if, if you're someone you just are sensitive, maybe you try one and see how you feel. I. They are recommended to take with food because copper and boron can cause nausea on empty stuff stomach. So but if they love like, if.

They love like bean minerals. I've been shouting from the roof like, beam, you could still, you could try this on top of. But yes, so I, and I do beam like all Day long. Like I'm obsessed with them.

Love. Love it. Yeah.

This is another level that you could do it. It doesn't hurt to do in addition. Got it. That makes total sense. Okay, then the other product, I'm gonna ask you about that. She sent me this. I was like, why is she sending me this? I don't understand. But now she's gonna. She said, no, you're missing it. She said she's actually going to change the name because of what I said. So it's called, you guys. It's called post Pill Ease. Now listen up, you all midlife women listening. They all are thinking what I'm thinking. They're like, well, I'm not on the pill. What do you mean?

So. Right.

Why'd you call it that?

Let me explain, let me explain. So a lot of the things that are in here are things that are stripped by the birth control pill and things like B vitamins and magnesium and some things, I even included some adaptogenic herbs in there. But the other day, I. I'm just newly on bioidentical hormone therapy. I'm on progesterone and I'm having some cycle irregularities. Honestly, I woke up literally three days ago with the worst headache. It would be up at 5 in the morning. I mean, it was like almost a sick headache. And I, you know, wasn't time for me to start progesterone. I was out of chasberry chaste berry tree. And I thought, you know, chasteberry tree helps increase progesterone. And I was like, this feels like an estrogen headache. Like it feels hormonal. So I go. And I'm like, I do have a bunch of post pills. And, you know, post pills has ingredients that they're going to replace things that birth control pill, strep. But it also helps with evening out hormones in general. So evening out progesterone, estrogen, testosterone. It has adaptogenic herbs. They're going to raise you and lift your mood. And so that's what I needed at that time. It's a powder. It tastes like an Arnold Palmer. Tastes so good.

I put it in.

Yes, it tastes so good.

So we can drink it in water.

Stir it, and literally an hour later I'm open yet.

I'm going to be trying it today, you guys. And I haven't been on the pill for like 20 years, but I'm not try it.

Me either. So. So yes, it's made for women coming off the pill, but if you're not off the pill, guess what? It still helps Your hormones, it still helps to balance and even things out. Okay, I have a lot of questions. Okay.

First of all, why is the pill doing that to people? Explain that.

Yes, it's unfortunate. The pill, the way it works, it's synthetic, so it strips a lot of things from people, people from their guts.

Okay, so if people are on it. Because I'm not. I'm not shaming anyone. I mean, I'm not on. No, it does smell good. I'm smelling. I'm opening it as good.

I'm glad.

Okay, so if. Okay, so let's. So the pill, it's helping you. It does its job getting you not pregnant. So we know that. So, yes, it's. It's good for that. I was on it for 20 years because I didn't know any better. This is year. I mean, I went on it, my gosh, way, way too young. Like, I hope my daughter's not listening, but I went on this way too young. But, you know, when I was a teenager. I'm older than you, Jess, I think. How old are you, Jess?

Not by a lot. I'm 46.

Okay. I'm 53. So I'm older than you. But when I was a teenager, we all went on synthetic pills to fix our periods. Like, and acne. It was just so crazy. Like, what? So I was on it at, like, age 15 or 16. Something crazy young. I was on it for 20 years, which is nuts to think about. And I didn't. I had no idea that it's. So help us just with a B. I know we're getting a little off topic, but this is important. What is synthetic hormones doing to people that are taking that? Like, I don't want to scare everyone, but I also want them to know, like, what's happening.

Yeah, it's a good. It's a good question. So you know, birth control pills, they can not just delete essential infinite. It tastes like a Pixie stick.

Sorry.

I'm telling you, it tastes so good.

It really stick my finger in here. It's like a pixie. Remember those pixie sticks?

So the.

Okay, that's what it tastes like.

Tastes so good.

It's like candy. Sorry, carry on.

So. So they affect metabolism, liver function and nutrient absorpt absorption. And they do this a number of different ways. So the estrogen in birth control, it's synthetic, right? It can alter your gut flora, meaning your gut bugs that are helping with your immunity. It can alter your digestive function. It can reduce the absorption of things like magnesium, zinc, and B vitamins it also reduces stomach acid. And stomach acid is needed because it's a digestive fire that helps disintegrate and break down your food so you can absorb it. So without stomach acid, things just sit here like an anvil in your gut. Right. It also increases nutrient excretion through the kidneys. You actually deal.

This is a lot like, this is not. And it's probably all in that pamphlet that no one reads.

That's right. It sure is. And they can increase insulin resistance and oxidative stress. Different nutrient balances is like copper and zinc and things like that throughout the body. And the overall things that it. That it really has trouble with with. With as far as like you absorbing things the way it strips things, things like B vitamins, magnesium, zinc, selenium, vitamin C and E, coenzyme Q10. So so many things that help mitochondria and energy, actually.

Wow.

Wow.

Okay, so this is controversial topic, but we're going there for a second. So we know it's FDA safe because it helps you not get pregnant. So it, it, it's interesting. The side effect is infertility, but that's what we want. So that's wild. But that's a whole other thing. What. So I understand kind of. Yes, if you. You're doing it for that reason, but if you are perimenopause postmenopausal, like to do it for your. As your hormone replacement. That's a whole other problem right there.

Yeah, it really is that there. There really needs to be a lot of education around that, in my opinion.

Because am I saying this right, like, you're basically, you're creating fake hormones, so we don't actually really know where you are in your stage if you're doing that and you're getting synthetic progestins, which is the one that is linked to cancer. Is that accurate?

Did I say that right? That is accurate. That is accurate, yeah.

Okay. So that's another big reason we don't want to be on that. So I think based on that, if you are on them now and you are perimenopause and menopausal and you. This is where you do need to get off them and do this, I would imagine, before you even look at bioidentical, is that okay?

Yes. That will help a smooth transition without a lot of side effects and really help balance your hormone so you know where you fall. If you're getting ready to go on.

Bioidenticals, especially, can they take this while they're on the pill?

Yes.

Okay.

You can. That will help, especially if you're looking to come off soon. It will help you with an easier, smoother transition that way.

So it's not going to make your risk of pregnancy go up or anything. It's not going to change the effectiveness like an antibiotic would. But you can. You can still got it. Okay. So if you moms, if you got your daughters on a pill, like, this is a perfect thing, I would imagine for that.

Yes. Okay. Perfect. It's made for you. We made it with you guys in mind. Wow.

Okay. And if you are not on the pill and you are on HRT or starting or you're in perimenopause, you are saying this is still ideal there because it's going to help create us more of a balance with your hormones. I. I don't. I don't love the word balance. Hormones, they think our hormones are never fully balanced. Balance. But balance for you, I guess balance for what yours should be.

Yeah. Make it feel. Make you feel a little more balanced in your body, more like yourself, right into the scaffolding of our personality.

Okay. I love how detailed you are with your stuff. I hope you're going to create even more stuff because I feel like you are. This is so smart because I'm starting to get your brain and why you created these things. It's not just a. Like, nothing else on the market was making sense. You're like, this is not a one size fits all. But let me figure out what. What could be like. What could actually help with these things.

Exactly. And next on deck, we have strips that dissolve in the mouth, like Listerine breast strips, but they have peptides on them. And yeah, they're going to have 100% of absorbability is our goal. Uhhuh.

What kind of peptides like BTC1D7 are like.

Yes. And things like. Things like something that's for the nervous system that immediately calms people a little bit. Like a Xanax.

I need those first when you.

Give it to you.

Maybe a hot flash for people or one we might have one for bloating and digestive function. We have one for allergies that's coming. That immediately stops allergies.

Oh, my gosh, Jess, this is awesome.

Yeah. And they're fun and they taste good. They dissolve in the tongue. I don't know. They're cool.

I just want to be clear, you all. I recruited Jess as my friend. She didn't find me like I met her. I'm like, we're going to be friends and Then I told her I wanted to try all her products as she was not pushing them on me. Like, I was like, I love this woman. Like, I need to understand more about you and where you came from and why I didn't know you the rest of my life.

So let me tell you guys with Natalie Jill, she kind of took me under her wing. I met her at a time where I was really having a hard time in my life and she really helped me with just a few words of wisdom and she was.

I overstepped my bounds.

I over it was as it was, as it should be.

I love it. Just, this has been awesome, you guys. Okay, so I'm going to link up all her stuff, but the two specific things I use, I'm probably gonna try them all now, honestly, but I use her Nano Glute B and I use the Tide Commax. So we're gonna link everything though on midlifeconversations.com forward/AEGIS A, E G, I S. If you just go to their website or you go through my link, it doesn't matter. But you can use coupon Natalie Jill and as of the time you're hearing this, there is a discount with that coupon. So go there especially so she knows you came from me and she'll treat you better. Your stuff will come on time. No, I'm sorry. I'm just kidding.

Special treatment.

Special treatment. Thanks, Jess. I'm sure I'll have you back because I just love learning from you and I thank you for all you do and I know, gosh, what a journey you've been on with your whole medical career. So I just wanted to thank you for the work you do. I think you're awesome and I and I can't wait to see where this company goes and grows.

Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it and as my friend, I appreciate you so much and I appreciate what you're doing in the world as well. So thank you for educating all of us all the time.

Thanks Jess.

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