444: Why 'Clean' Beauty Products Fail: The Silver Solution Your Skin Actually Needs with Steve Revelli

So I thought, well, all right, we'll try it. So I put the tube of gel in there and I squeeze it in there, and in two weeks it was healed, completely healed up. Skin was closed over, no infections, nothing. I'm going, oh, Silver. Huh? Okay. Well, this stuff's pretty good.

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How toxic is our skin care? And how seriously do we need to take this? And why, when we go from toxic skin care to the natural skin care, do we seem to not like the results? Is there hope? And what ingredients should we truly be avoiding? And how important is being antimicrobial for our skin and for wound healing and for muscle recovery? Or is all of that toxic? Today, I'm going to be going really deep about something you're probably not familiar with for this particular question around skin care, and that is the idea of silver and what silver can do for us other than just being the jewelry that we wear. I can't wait to have this conversation. I've got the head scientist of Silver Biotics on, and you're in for a treat. I've got Steve here and he's got a fascinating story, but we're going to dive right in because he is a formulator, he's the head scientist, and I have a lot of big questions for him. So thanks for so much for being here today, Steve.

Well, I'm happy to be here. Thanks for having me.

So, first of all, I gotta ask this. You said you travel a lot because you are a Bob Sledder. Help me with that. And how does one that's a Bob's letter become a formulator? What's that? How did that even come together?

It's. Well, that's my hobby. My. My actual career was being in science. I'm a retired educator. I've taught science in high school and college, and I still teach a little college classes as well. One of those nasty classes called organic chemistry. But anyway, so as a hobby, I. I got into it after the 2002 in Salt Lake and just kind of fell into it. Now they just fly me all over the world to do races. I just did world championships in New York, and I'll probably get the bid to go to Milan next year. So fun.

That's a fun hobby. That's way better than any of my hobbies, that's for sure.

So.

So your science is your. Is your background. Look, I'm going to. And I have a lot of questions for you, but I want to first ask you. When I first saw your line and saw that it's silver, I was like, I was so confused. To me, silver was jewelry. Silver was it. I had no idea that silver was even something we could put in skin care or in wound healing or in muscle recovery. So what is this something that we just all weren't aware of, that people don't talk about? What is that?

Well, you're absolutely right. I wasn't even aware of it until about 1999, 2000. And my neighbor started this company with his family, and it was a silver company. And so we were talking back and forth and everything else, and he knew I was in science, and so he says, hey, why don't you come by and check it out, see what you think? So I did. And I'm thinking, oh, well, this is an interesting product. And this is way back in, you know, 20, 25 years ago. And he says, why don't you try some of this stuff? And it was a gel, and it was a wound gel. It was one of their first products. They did an immune support, and they did this wound care gel. And I thought, oh, all right, I'll take it home and try it. Well, I had this old alley. This old alley cat, Just a tabby, just a fighter, you know, he come home bleeding and scratched and everything else, you know, and he came home once, and he had this scab on head. And I'm thinking, oh. So I kind of took the scab off, and I can see his skull. And I'm going, oh, there's a big hole here. So I thought, well, all right, we'll try it. So I put the tube of gel in there, and I squoze it in there. And in two weeks, it was healed. Completely healed up. Skin was closed over, no infections, nothing. I'm going, oh, silver, huh? Okay, well, this stuff's pretty good. So I started doing a deep dive on it, as usual, and. And found out that silver's been around for millennia of time. You've probably heard of that adage that, you know, person was born with A silver spoon in their mouth.

Yes.

Which was basically back in the royalty days and stuff like that, they had real silverware and they would get their daily dose of silver just by eating and drinking with. With silver implements.

So it's something that people would actually eat or want you want in your system. I mean, it wouldn't eat it like handfuls of it, but by using a silver spoon or whatever, you would actually get it in your body. And it's a good nutrient for us.

Not a nutrient per se, but it's an antimicrobial. So what it does is it kills bacteria, yeast and moles. And back in those days, you know, those, those ages where we didn't have antibiotics or anything else, you know, it made people really sick.

Okay, I got a lot of questions coming at you then. I'm gonna, I'm sure I'm gonna sound a little over the place and we are gonna get into skincare, I promise you all. But I. This is, this is important. You said antimicrobial and somehow antimicrobial has gotten very commercialized and it's gotten demonized because it's. We, we look at that as the dial soap or the antibacterial that we hear, wait, there's chemicals, this is bad. And then it gets confusing because we learn, well, if you kill all these microbes, then you're more, you're weakening your immune system and now you get sick. So help us understand what's going on there and why this is different.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, there is, There's a lot of information out there, a lot of misinformation. Of course, what happens is you put a toxin on your body, in your body, it kills microbes. Unfortunately, it kills the good microbes, the natural fauna. We call it natural fauna and flora, your natural biome, it destroys everything, which does leave you susceptible for what we call opportunistic infectious bacteria, yeast and molds. You know, you've heard of Candida, you've heard of strep, and you've heard of all staff, and you've heard of all these, you know, disease causing microbes. Well, the one nice thing about silver, and we, we, we understand now because we've, you know, learned that throughout the last probably 20 years that silver does not harm the natural microbes. Microbiome in the body and on, on the body as well. It turns out that pathogenic bacteria, yeast and molds are actually very different from the ones that are normally on and in our bodies. And silver, up to a point, does not harm those. And I'M going to say that up to a point because we also have done the research that if you take silver over 40 to 45 parts per million PPMS, it actually does start harming that natural fauna and flora, those biomes that are on in our bodies. So that's why our product is no stronger than 35 ppm, because we don't want to harm the natural microbes in our bodies and on our bodies.

Okay. When we talk about microbes, we learn a lot about, especially my listeners, we've learned a lot about the microbiome or what's going on in there. When you said before we started recording that our skin actually holds yeast, mold, viruses, I had never heard this. So can you elaborate on that? And how does that tie into how our skin's aging?

Our environment. Our environment is full. I mean, think about this. You've heard of polio? Well, guess what? There's polio outside in our dirt right now. Polio virus is there. It's automatically, it's everywhere. And so these microbes, these opportunistic infectors, they are in our environment and we get them on ourselves as well. You know, just brushing by someone or somebody coughing or whatever the case might be, we get these disease causing microbes on us and in us as well. But it's up to our immune system to take care of those problems before the disease actually takes hold. And it turns out that the largest immune organ in our body, on our body, is our skin. Our skin actually has an immune system built into it, has little cells that acts like an immune system for our skin tissues.

Okay, how is that creating aging or how is it damaging our skin when we have this happening on our skin?

Well, a lot of the damage, of course, comes from outside environmental sources. For example, different. Even smoke can cause carcinogens and mutagens and stuff on our skin. And our skin is kind of a sponge. It tends to absorb things as well. But other environmental toxins as well? Well, oh, there's, there's just a myriad of environmental toxins, but of course there's radiation. And solar radiation is probably one of the worst causes.

Solar?

Yeah. From the sun.

Okay, from the sun, yeah.

UVA, UVBs, even gammas, all, all those cosmic rays that actually get through our atmosphere, they do, they cause damage to our skin. And overall, over a long lifetime, they can cause substantial damage.

So this is a little bit of a controversial topic as of late, you know, because say, well, this strict avoidance of the sun is actually what's hurting us. And then. But we also Know, the sun in extreme levels can. Can age us. So where do you kind of fall as a scientist on the balance there? Like, like, I'm sure you think sunlight's important. So at what. Where is it important and where does it become dangerous burns?

You know, sunburns, when you get to a point when you actually burn the skin, literally cook the skin, that's when you, you know, you get the most damage. But yeah, sunlight is very important. And our. Our systems are set up to the, you know, radiation and do good things as well. You know, provide vitamin D precursors and pro vitamins for us as well. So it's important to have that. But the damage comes when, of course, there's too much sun and you get those burns.

Now, when you talk about being antimicrobial, which silver and your product is on our skin, how important is it to clean our skin with antimicrobial? And what is, what goes wrong when we go to the drugstore and you buy a commercial soap that says antimicrobial, but it's not silver? Like, help us understand that.

Well, again, those antimicrobials in soaps and shampoos and all those things, they're toxins, they're very toxic chemicals. And chlorhexidine, all those things. And also the preservatives, they have to put them in as well, the sorbates, the benzoates, the phenyl oxynols, those are toxic chemicals that kill microbes. They kill everything. Not just.

So when we hear the word toxic, it's. It's more. I would assume it's more than it's just killing. So if I'm hearing you correctly, like, silver would kill just the things you need to kill, but not kill any of the good stuff at the doses that you talk about. If you use a commercial microbial with all those things that you talked about, not only is it killing good stuff that could be protective, but when you say toxins, what else is happening? Is it. Is it, like, damaging it further? What else? Is it just because it goes through our skin, like what's happening, that makes it toxic?

What it does is, again, those chemicals, they modify cellular organs. So like mitochondria, endoplasmic reticulum. And so it causes those cells to basically stop working or die. And some of those toxins can get into our healthy cells, our healthy cells as well, and cause those cells to struggle, not necessarily kill them, but to cause them to not work as efficiently as they probably should be working to keep our tissues healthy.

So when we hear That a toxin in our skincare or makeup is an estrogen disruptor or it's. So that's what it's referring is, that's what it's referring to, that it's like disrupting your mitochondria, it's disrupting your system. So when we hear things like the problems it causes, it's because it's going through your skin barrier and actually disrupting normal function. Am I saying that right? Is that.

You are perfectly saying that.

Okay, so this is important because I think what happens is we get overloaded with information like, oh, you have to be non toxic. And you know, the story is, well, everything's toxic, toxic. So what's your take on that? Because this is especially for women. I know you're, you're a man and I'm sure you care too. But women, you know, we're aging and we, things are changing and we're trying to use all the cosmetic products and like, what's your take on that? Like how important is this and how crazy do we need to be around it?

Well, I have a wife and daughters and daughter in laws and you know, they're kind of getting up there in years as well. And so I look at products and I actually kind of formulate products with, with actually them in mind.

Okay.

And because I want the best for, you know, for my family, of course, and then the best for anybody who buys our products as well. And so that's why our products are, you know, they have organic components in them and clean components and natural components in them to keep, you know, the health. Yeah, yeah, to keep the health.

Well, but so like, but like you don't, like, you make a lot of great products. I'm definitely going to talk about those. But like you don't make things like makeup or stuff like that. So how do you feel about that? Like if your wife's like, well, I bought this makeup that I love or this specific. And then you're looking at the ingredients. Like do you have, are you a hard no on things or what's your, what's your philosophy on it? Personally, around that.

I get teased a lot from my, my, the women in my family because they'll show me stuff and what do I do? I grab it and I start looking at the ingredients and I say this is bad and that's bad and this is not good and things like that as well. And they say, oh, you've ruined it for us, you know. And so yeah, I do look and I do. There are some products out there That I would say, yeah, don't use those. You know, look at this ingredient and that ingredient. And you know, it comes from, you know, petroleum and asphalt for, you know, and mascara and tar. And I'm going, oh, oh, yes.

Do you have a feeling as a scientist, like a kind of a rule of thumb here? And I, because I want to be practical for women too. Like I, I'm, I'm gonna own it. I, I work my best to use non toxic for a lot of things, but there's some things that are definitely, they've got some toxins, like the stuff I put in my hair or whatever. So do you kind of. I, and I'm not looking for you to give me like a nice answer if you don't have one, but how serious do we need to take this and is it kind of like an 80, 20 rule or is it that you gotta really like, what's your thoughts around that?

You know what I do when I look at a product is I look at the ingredient list and it turns out if you can't say some of the names and where they come from, they're probably synthetic and. Yeah.

So not good for it. Like food. The same thing we would say about food.

Yeah, yeah, pretty much.

You know, so he's not giving me the answer I want, ladies. But, but I, I asked him for the truth.

So. Yeah, that's, you know, the shorter the ingredient list, the less natural the ingredient list.

Okay.

Probably the better it is for you.

So do you think, like. I think a lot of the skincare that's marked natural, a lot of it, it just doesn't work. And is it, is it not working because it's not killing some of these bad things that you're talking about like the yeast and the mold, Is that why we're like, what's your thoughts on that?

Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. You know, and.

There, there are some really good products out there. And, but you're right in, in some cases the more natural products don't necessarily work as well because the chemicals that are, there are, are more natural and they're more, they're more, you know, they, they tend to degrade faster than the other ones with all the preservatives in it, you know, and so my take on it is that you need to buy those more natural products more often. True. Yeah. Because they don't have the preservatives in them, you know, to keep them good for years and years and years.

So. Okay, so when you looked at what you learned about silver and you looked at what was happening with the cat, and you started having this epiphany.

What.

What made you think, like, first, like, this needs to go in skincare? Like, where did that. Because I wouldn't have even thought to put, you know, silver in skincare.

You know, I didn't at first. I didn't either. You know, I was like, oh, okay. Then I started doing the research, and I started working for the company full time after I retired. I'm a retired educator. And so when I started working full time for the company, I thought, huh, you know, if you put silver and acts as a preservative and an antimicrobial, you have kind of a dual duty going on. You have the ability to take those pathogens and. And destroy those pathogens or at least knock them down to a point to where your immune system can function very efficiently. And that's kind of what we mean by our silver is an immune support. We have an immune supplement which you can actually drink that takes care of those things inside. But on the outside, our wound care and our cosmetics that we do produce has a silver in it as well. And it does the same thing. It takes care of what we call that bioload. And we all carry this bioload. And what happens is our immune system can be overwhelmed by the amount of bioload, and then you have a disease process. But what the silver does is it takes care of that bioload so your immune system can work very efficiently and very effectively and take care of business by itself.

Wow. Okay, that's. That's. So can. Is there any limit to what silver can go in? I'm just wondering, like, is there any. Like. I'm wondering why we got so far away from silver for so many reasons.

Well, back in. I think it was back in the 1960s, we had a regulatory body that came out with. Silver is a heavy metal. Well, it turns out silver is not a heavy metal. If you look where it's at on the periodic table, it's around copper.

Okay.

It's around zinc, and it's around. And, you know, do you have copper? Do people wear copper bracelets? Is. Is that ever a problem? No. Zinc.

For skin care for. You know, you get the. The sun, the little sunscreens and stuff like that that have zinc in them, and they're white and they're cakey and stuff like that. Is there a. No. Well, silver is right in there as well. And so where that came about, we're not quite sure. Nobody really knows, but they lumped silver in as with the heavy metals like, like the really bad ones like cadmium and lead and stuff like that. And silver is not a heavy metal. In fact, you know, people use gold and gold is not considered to be a heavy metal. They have gold supplements. They actually put gold in your joints to make your joints, you know, have anti inflammatory responses as so where silver got lumped in there with the regulatory bodies, we're not quite sure, but it tended to stick. And so we are now just coming around where the FDA is saying, oh well, let's revisit this. In fact, we have several 510k cleared products from the FDA. We have our wound care gels in formularies, in hospitals, in burn units. Wow.

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Oh, this is like. I mean, literally all I knew about silver for years was just what you just said, like, that it's jewelry and that it tarnishes. And I knew that it. Why does silver tarnish, by the way? What is that? Why does it tarnish? And how does that impact putting it in things?

Oxygen. It. It actually is somewhat reactive out in the air with silver metal, and so it reacts with oxygen. Well, it turns out our product is specially designed not to do that.

We can get into that process a little bit, if you want.

I mean, I'm just. I was. Yeah, I'm curious because in my fir. In my mind, I'm thinking everything I knew about silver was wrong, clearly. But. But I'm thinking silver tarnishes. Why would you put that in your skin products? So. So I guess, yeah, that's an important question because I'd want to understand that. So I'm. I'm so. I'm clear on.

Okay.

Because now I'm understanding the antimicrobial, I'm understanding the wound care, and I'm understanding. It makes sense to me how it's a preservative. All of that makes sense. So I want to make sure I'm clear and every listener is clear on why, because I think other people will think that same thing. Like, well, if silver tarnishes, why would we put that in our skincare?

So, yeah, well, it turns out what color is silver when it tarnishes?

It's like, I mean, I think it's like, I'm trying to remember. It's like blackish or brown. Right? It's darker. Yeah.

Nice. Very nice. You're absolutely right.

I'm thinking of like my grandmother's silver stuff we used to polish with tarnish.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Right. Well, you're absolutely right. Turns out what we do with our particle with. With our silver is we take pure, I mean, the ultra pure silver wire and we put a lot of electrical energy within with it. Thousands and thousands of volts into our machine. And what that does is it actually pulls these little tiny micro particles off of the silver, but it's in an oxygen environment. So it actually coats that silver, that core, metallic silver, with what we call a tetra. Silver. Tetra oxide or just call it silver oxide. Well, it turns out that that is black, that is tarnished, and that is the antimicrobial part of silver is that coating of the silver oxide on top of our metallic silver core.

Makes sense. Okay, I got that. How does it. So.

Okay, I know that you. Your silver also plays a big role in our body's natural defense. Like you said, you have an immune support and things like that. How you had mentioned before we started recording that there's a huge correlation to why that helps with some of the hormonal changes that a lot of my women listeners are going through. Can you connect the dots for us on that?

There is some evidence. And again, what happens is that as we age, unfortunately us men age too.

Our hormone levels start to destabilize. And in women, it's more so than men because your systems are a little more complicated than ours. And you get what they call these hormone disruptors and some chemicals that. And silver, thank heavens, is not one of them can start acting as gets into our tissues and into our hormone producing tissues and causes changes in those. It can disrupt the production of those. And silver does not do that.

And a lot of it is a disease process as well. So again, we have those microbes everywhere. And if our cells aren't working as efficient as they could be, because they are, you know, being damaged or being caused problems with. With. With pathogens. Yeah. Then that that creates a hormone disruptor. And so as part of our immune system support, silver actually counteracts that by taking care of those, those pathogens and those, that bioload we talked about.

Okay, you all. I was super new to silver and I obviously, I wore silver rings in high school. That's about. That was the extent of my knowledge with silver. But I haven't tried. I mean, I have not been working with all of their products, but I've been trying a few of them. I haven't had a wound yet, so I haven't done the wound, the wound dressing. I'm not going to intentionally get a wound to practice with it.

But one thing you can do with the wound care.

Okay.

Is it's good for first and second degree burns and. Oh, so if you get a sunburn, you put the wound care gel on there. Number one, it has a. Excuse me, excuse me. Number one, it has a cooling effect because of the gel. And number two, that, that silver is there to take care of any, you know, minor wounds that the burn produces on the cutaneous part of the, the skin.

Well, that's good to know because I think most people, you get a burn, you just go to aloe and aloe feels good, but it's not actually fixing anything.

Exactly.

So this actually helps speed up the recovery too.

Yes, it does. It's that immune support for the skin.

So I have been using the recover, I've been keeping it in my bag. I use it after my workouts. And what I like about it is it also has, it's like the brain connection because it feels good because it has the cooling. But how does silver help with muscle recovery?

Okay, now what silver does with muscle recovery along with that is the other ingredients. I think they're synergistic. That's one thing nice about that product is that the magnesium, the arnica, the eucalyptus, the menthol and all those ingredients are there are synergistic. And so what we found out is by using all those ingredients and the silver, it actually speeds the process along a little bit faster than it would without the silver. So the silver acts again. Is that defense? It allows that your body cells to be more efficient in healing than what it normally would be. And it does. It goes into the muscle tissue as well and helps that process.

So Steve, are all your bobsledder friends using it?

Yeah, most of them that I always go to races with, you know, basically a suitcase full of product because once they found out about it and the officials as well. So my friends in Sweden and My friends in Germany, Austria, they always say, hey, did you bring me any muscle cream? And I'm saying, yeah, I got some for you. So, yes.

And I actually like the smell of yours. Like, it doesn't smell like. Like some of the junk that we buy at the stores typically.

Well, again, one of the main persons that I work with is Kelly, Kelly Gray. And she comes to me with this laundry list of ingredients. She says, can you make this work? And I'm going, yeah, I'll make it work. And so she wanted this smell to be more spa like, and so that's kind of what we did.

Well, it does, because typically, you put the muscle relief paint on, and you smell like you're in a hospital.

Icy hot and Ben Gay.

Yeah. Yeah. So that one doesn't have that. So that's nice. And then the healing cream. So the healing skin cream, would you use that in addition to the wound on the burn, or does it matter? Like, what's the difference there for when you. When you look at those.

What we've tried to do, we've set up a routine, a regime. And so you have the wound. So you put the gel on until the wound closes again. It helps the wound close much faster.

Your story with a cat is crazy. I mean, that's like a whole big difference.

Oh, yes. Because what happens is that you get a wound, you get a laceration or some burn or something else like that, and the skin is basically destroyed in that particular part of the body. So what happens is that there's mobile cells in the bottom of the skin, and what they do is they have to start literally crawling across that gap to close the gap, and then they just start dividing to create the layers in your skin for the healing heal. Well, if you have, again, those pathogens and those bacteria that are getting in the way of literally those cells migrating across the wound, it takes time. And it turns out you. It's a race, actually. You have a race between your. Your dermal cells trying to actually close that wound and your epidermal cells.

That's your scab doing that. That's a scab.

Correct.

Okay.

And if you. If the epidermal cells win, you don't get a scar. But if the dermal cells win, you get a scar. And so what our product does is it speeds those epidermal cells so they don't get. They can migrate faster across the wound and close the wound.

That's why you don't pick your scabs, too.

That's right.

That's. You definitely get A scar then?

Yes, for sure.

Does it help it scab faster, by the way, when you do this, like, so I know, I don't know what the scab, what that actually is, but does it, I know it helps heal faster, but does it help it like cover up faster too? Do you know what I'm asking? Like, I don't know how quickly a scab forms or doesn't form.

It forms reasonably quickly. But what we'd like to do is we put the gel on, you know, as soon as you can get the wound. As soon as you get it on the wound. And we actually make sure that it's on actually even before the scab, because the scab is just basically a blood clot that's dried up and capped over the wound. And so. But if you get that antimicrobial gel on the wound first, then the healing process can speed up. Yeah.

Can you put it on blisters?

Absolutely.

Wow.

That's another. I mean, also all of us women get blisters from our shoes and things.

Yes. First and second degree burns. It works on really, really well.

So you could use both, actually. Then you would use the wound healing dressing and the healing cream. You'd use both.

So the healing cream is basically an aftercare. So once that wound is closed over, then you put the cream on, number one, to moisturize and support that part of the healing process. And number two is it still has antimicrobial barrier as we're talking.

I'm literally putting it on my blister, Steve, because I, of course I, of course I had to wear cute shoes and I got a blister. So I will have to report back if this helps it better. But that's probably a lot better than using the toxic other stuff that I was probably. That's all in the bandages and everything too.

You know, I think back to when I was a kid and mom would always have this orange stuff and a little tiny bottle to put on our owies, you know? Yeah. And it was called methyl. Turns out that it was mercury.

Oh my gosh.

It was a mercury tincture. And I'm going, oh my. We've come a long way from putting.

We have definitely come a long way.

A mercury, A mercury tincture on our always to wound care gels.

Now, since you said it's also a preservative, do you think that this will start happening in food? That they'll start using silver in food for preservatives?

They certainly could. And we've done some experiment even with grocery Stores, you know, where they spray the water on the veggies and stuff. Like. Well, we've done some, some tests where we've put silver water, a very low ppm, like a half a ppm, very low process on spraying those vegetables to. Number one. I mean, think about this. Where does a lot of your, you know, E. Coli and stuff come from? It comes from unwashed vegetation. And so if we were to use that on, in, you know, sprayed on the vegetation, number one, it doesn't stay on the vegetation, it actually washes off. And that's probably another thing we ought to get into as well, is if you take silver into your body.

Our product actually leaves the body in 36 to 72 hours. It goes in, it does its job and it leaves. Huh.

How does that work? Like, how does that know to do that?

Well, it turns out there's, there's basically two kinds of silver. Our silver is actually a true colloid and that means that there's silver particles. Remember we talked about that silver core, that metallic silver core with the oxide coating on it. Very small particles. A lot of, I was going to say the majority of probably colloidal silver particles or products out there are what we call ionic, which means there's silver atoms that have lost their electron, just single silver atoms. And it turns out that our body doesn't get rid of those as easy. In fact, those silver ions tend to build up in our adipose tissue. I mean, you've probably heard of the story about the Blue man and turning gray and stuff like that. It's called Algeria. Those products were very, very high concentrations of ionic silver. And it stayed in the body and it stayed in the adipose tissues. And then the sun hits it and it turns into tarnish, basically.

I didn't realize how deep my beliefs around silver were until I started learning about this and started trying your product. Because, I mean, I'm not gonna lie, like, when I first heard about silver being micro, microbial and like why, how this is antimicrobial and it killing things and how this can be used in clean products, I was super skeptical because I'm thinking, well, why would I put silver on my face? Like, that's literally what was going on my head. Like, I'm thinking of tarnish. I'm thinking it's going to turn me silver. Like, I, I just. But the fact that I even thought that, it's just so ingrained in us that silver is not a good thing, which is wild. We've looked at it as an inexpensive toxic metal. And it's completely the opposite of that. It's not a toxic metal. It's actually something that's antimicrobial. It's healing, it speeds up wound healing, it helps us heal. It could be great for our skin. But there's just been this totally false belief around that, which is wild. Like I didn't.

It is, yeah, it's totally, totally crazy.

And I'm guilty of it too.

There's some products, yeah, there's some products out there that are, you know, 250 to 10,000 ppm. I would never put that into my body or on my body for that matter as well. Silver doesn't need to be. Our particle are just really efficient at what they do at those low levels. Like I said, our immune supplement, it goes in our body, it does its job and then it leaves.

So it's trace amounts. It's basically like microdosing it. It's like, it's a small amount. But why would we not want to be taking advantage of this? I mean, it's natural, it's going to. There's a lot of benefits to it.

Yeah, absolutely. And you know, with our skin, as we age, what happens with our skin? We get thinner skin. The adipose tissue tends to leave. The skin gets thinner. Well, guess what? If the skin is thinner, it's more likely that pathogens can cross that barrier and cause disease. And so why not, as you grow older, start using these products that actually immune supports on the skin as well as in the skin?

Yeah, because I'm thinking of other non toxic skin lines if they don't have this. The problem is you are not getting that antimicrobial because we've been told that most of that is bad, but it's the chemical ones that are bad. So. But when you don't get that, you do risk having the yeast or the mold or the viruses outside of your skin too. So some people that maybe think they switch to a natural product and now they're having these other problems. It could be as simple as that. Like if you add antimicrobial back in, like silver, that could fix the problem, is that.

Absolutely, you are absolutely right.

I mean that's what's coming up for me. Because I think people, a lot of people go to the extreme. You know, they're like, oh, I've been using toxic stuff, let me go completely non toxic now. They don't like the results, so they go back. Right. But what I'm hearing is like there's a total nice middle ground, especially with like what you guys created at Silver Biotics, because it's. You're taking the practical, but you're also keeping it clean.

Exactly. Yeah. And we actually have some new products that are going to be coming out soon. We got a great cleanser, great skin cleanser.

I was going to ask why you didn't have a cleanser yet, because that makes sense. Like, why would you not. You'd want to clean with it.

It's coming. Then we have a new serum that's coming out.

We have hand sanitizer because. Because that's the other one that, like, they're highly toxic or they don't work.

Right. Yeah. And. And well, actually, our gel can actually work as a hand sanitizer as well. Okay.

Oh, you. Oh, that's good to know.

You know you can. Yeah. Just rub it on your skin and it's good. It stays there for, you know, like, 48 hours. We've done testing on it. It's still antimicrobial.

Because just to make sure. I know I asked you this before, and I want to reiterate. So the reason traditional antibacterial things are not good, it's not because they're killing some of the yeast mold or virus. It's because it's killing everything. And you're the good bacteria, too. And because you're coupling it with toxic ingredients that are now getting in your skin and disrupting things. Did I say that right? Is that accurate?

That is very, very accurate.

So this is like what I like about this line. You all is. It's like this happy medium. You get all the natural. But. But what they've done with the science, they've said, okay, silver is a natural, beneficial, antimicrobial. It only kills the bad things. So it's like you get the both. Best of both worlds.

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. The new. The new brand, the new products where they've been formulated. And now we're kind of in. Kind of do. Doing some test groups to make sure it's working well, and hopefully in the next six months, those will be coming out on the market. It.

Love it. Steve, I think you need a whole makeup line now, too, because now. Now you have since. Since you didn't give me the answer I wanted around makeup, what are we going to do?

So we're. We're. We're actually looking at that as well. Yeah, we definitely are looking at that.

And do other companies. Is this like a unique thing to you guys or do other. Are other people catching up with silver and adding this into their. Their stuff?

We are, I believe we are number one. We are number one in the world for doing that. So there's. There's no other markets that I know of, no other products I know of that uses this.

So this is. So what I like about it is like cutting tech edge technology, but it's not. It's like new. It's old, but revised. Like, you've. You found something that we all know. So it's not like it's not been tested. It's just interesting. Where do you think, what do you think changed with how. Like, I loved your little silver spoon example because people don't really use silver anymore. Is that because of a price thing or. Or because it got lumped into toxic metals? What's your thought on that?

I think it's a little bit of everything. I think it's about education, you know, because everybody that I've talked to, you know, and educated, they go, oh, really? I had no idea. Yeah, And I get that a lot. You know, more often than not is like, huh. I didn't.

That's what happened when I learned about you. I'm like, wait, what silver? Why would you put silver in a product? I need to understand this.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think that is the biggest reason is there's just a lack of education about those, about products and what silver actually does, what. And what good silver does. Again, you know, some people, if you're making this, you know, in your, in your bathroom sink or your garage or something like that. Yeah, don't do that.

Don't ground up your old jewelry and do anything with that. That's not going to work.

Yeah, yeah, it doesn't work. And our particles, they, they exist in a higher energy state and they're pure and they, again, they, they do what they need to do and, and then they leave the body. If you take it internally, externally, they tend to stay on there for, you know, for hours and hours and days, and they're still antimicrobial.

Can you just recap? I know you said it kind of fast in another question, but can you recap just a little bit of those ingredients that we should be avoiding in skin care?

Again, the preservatives out there, you know, the, the sorbates and the benzoates and the phenyl oxenols. Those, those are the, those are my top three. You know, there's some other antimicrobials, the chlorohexidine, some people put that in their toothpaste. And I'm going, oh, I would never.

Our oral Care line is absolutely amazing. You know, we have a toothpaste and we're coming out with a new one, and we have a mouthwash coming out that does amazing things for oral care as well.

So good this is y'.

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So if you want to see some of the stuff we're talking about, if you go to midlifeconversations.com forward slash silver. So midlifeconversations.Com forward slash silver. I will link up to the things that we're talking about, things that I've personally tried, because I haven't tried everything yet. It's muscle cream. Love their muscle cream. And mostly because it smells good and it feels good. I didn't know all the benefits of the silver until I'm learning, as you're learning, but this is amazing. And then the skin serum. Can you tell me a little bit about that, Steve, by the way? Because I've been using it, but I don't. I know there's silver in there, but what, what makes the silver, the serum special here, you know, it's.

It's so simple, hyaluronic acid. It's gotten a big, big news, you know, lately. It's in. It's in all the fancy Estee Lauders and all those, you know, and, and yeah, feels good. It actually works really well. Well, it turns out our serums a little more special than their serums. What I've been finding out, hyaluronic acid is, is what we call a polymer. There's your science Y word. Great big, long, long molecule. And so it's the size of the molecule that I actually found out works the best. We actually have two different types of hyaluronic acid in our serum. We have a very small molecule of hyaluronic acid which gets in those cells and in between those cells really, really quickly. Then we have a larger molecule hyaluronic acid that actually does the plumping and does the, you know, the really serious stuff that hyaluronic acid is supposed to do. And so we kind of do have a dual duty of the hyaluronic acids, and it works really well. And with the silver in there, again, what it does takes care of that bioload, takes care of all those. Those pathogens that are on the outside of your skin ready to attack you and creates that, that, that barrier to help you, you know, have healthier skin.

We should all be using hyaluronic acid anyway. And there. Yours feels really good. I really liked using it. It's not going to turn your face over as we've learned burned, it's only going to help support your skin because it gets rid of those bad bacterial things on top of it. So I like that about it. I've never understood. This is probably not the question for you, but I never understood why it's called hyaluronic acid. Because you say acid, it's like you think of peeling or, you know, like. I've never understood how that falls into the acid category.

Well, you'll, you'll. There's two types out there, and there's hyaluronic acid, which is the pure chemical, and hyaluronic acid is actually a combination of two different chemicals. One's glucuronic acid and one's glutamate. And so those two marry together form that, what we call that polymer, that long chain of what we call hyaluronic acid. As an acid, it's probably the weakest acid that you'll ever run into. But chemically, it is an acid. Wow.

So it really actually is one. It's just. That's what's in on the spectrum of them. It's just a weak one.

Right. And a lot of people, actually, they marry that hyaluronic acid with sodium, and now it's called sodium hyaluronidate. Oh.

But it's still the same thing.

It's just you think of an acid as like, it takes away and high. I didn't even know there wasn't an L. You're saying it high uronic, and I'm saying hyaluronic. So I'm saying it wrong, I'm sure. Hyaluronic acid, it. It just feels. It's like a. It feels like a gel. It's like, it's. It's smoothing, it's.

It's viscous. Yeah, it is quite viscous.

So it just doesn't fall in the spectrum of what I thought acid would be?

No, no, no, no. Acid. Acid is the chemical term.

Yeah.

Not really acidic as, you know, as, you know, like vinegar or, you know, those types of, you know, citric acid or anything like that? No, it's, it's, it's an acid by nature, but it's not really acidic. How about that?

Do you use it on your face, too?

I do. And yes, I do. That's good.

And your whole family, your wife and your daughters are all using, I'm assuming?

Absolutely.

Well, I'm going to be waiting for your makeup line and your hand sanitizer and your, Your face wash now, because now I. Now I get it all the things with it. So you all I'm going to link this up if you want to check it out. It's Midlife Conversations.com Silver and I'll link up everything that we talked about here. Thank you so much for being here today, Steve, and for educating us all about silver, biotics and silver. I love what you do. Well.

Thanks so much. I enj Love what I do too. I mean that's I'm a retired educator so I don't necessarily have to work, but I love doing this. I love going to work every day and saying, hey, what. What can we make for people? People?

I asked him when we started the interview. I said, how do you if you met somebody on a plane you didn't know? And they said what do you do? What would you answer? And he said, well I. I love that question because I say I'm a bobsledder and I think you have a. You have a very interesting biography. I love it.

Thank you.

Thank you, Steve.

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