Helping Black Communities Through Tech and Connections With Elizabeth Cotton-Harps of Black Tech Link

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Welcome to the Tacos and Tech Podcast. I'm your host, Neil Bloom, and I'm thrilled to have you here. On the Tacos and Tech podcast, we interview builders of technologies, of companies, of communities, and we do it weekly, so thanks for tuning in. Every Tuesday, a new interview, and on Fridays, we talk about what's new in the San Diego tech ecosystem from a news perspective. So make sure you join us there as well too. We also have a tech newsletter that comes out every other week@freshbroodtech.com you can subscribe to listen to it without further ado. Enjoy this episode. I am so thrilled to finally have on fellow community builder Elizabeth Cotton Harps. Hey, Elizabeth, thanks for being on the show.

Awesome. Thank you so much for having me. I was really excited the request to come and chat with you.

Absolutely. We've been working together in the community, sharing and promoting each other's events for a while now. You're the executive director of Black TechLink, which I am excited to hear about. You want to give us a quick overview of what black TechLink is?

Yeah. So our mission is to focus on the economic development of black and underrepresented communities by providing workforce solutions, technical training and networking opportunities. We got started in April 2020. It was like, even before, like, the pandemic, like, I was thinking of creating this program. Like, I had it in my mind as I was working before for an organization called Blacks in Technology and I was a San Diego chapter organizer. But you know, like, I really wanted to create a platform where I can focus on Southern California, which led me to like during the pandemic to create Black TechLink in April 2020. And we just celebrated our two year anniversary. So we're really excited for that.

Well, congratulations. That's awesome. It's a hell of a time to start a new organization right at the start of the pandemic. But why not go all in when times of uncertainty, right, that's when entrepreneurs tend to thrive. But we go back, I think the first time we may have had interaction was your first conference. Was that back Long beach that you were putting on?

No, it was an Escondido at the California center for the Arts.

Which conference was that?

The Western Regional Diversity Conference. And so yeah, that was really exciting. And you know, I was really like, even though we never met in person, you were still helping me like identify like partners and speakers for the event. That conference focused on increasing diversity, equity and inclusion in business, entertainment and tech. And so we were able to just, I was able to use that as a platform to kind of launch and build out my network in San Diego community and you know, startups community. San Diego was really instrumental in that. And I just remember you making like great introductions to, you know, communities at Intuit and Sony and all those people came through and really helped build out like our first conference. And so that's kind of how I was able to kind of plant my foot in the San Diego community.

Oh, that's awesome. I love hearing that. I didn't think, I don't think I heard kind of the ending story of those intros, but I'm so happy they came through and pushed you forward to build. But we got to take it back a bit because, you know, it's not everyone wakes up or even is born to say, you know what, I'm going to connect tech and diverse talent. How'd you get your start there? Like, where did it all come from?

So, well, I think I was challenged in college. I was a part of a organization called, well, two organizations, one called a Latino Business Student association and another one called Phi Beta Lambda, which is a Future Business Leaders of America. And at Cal State Fullerton, we were always going to a lot of cool workshops and programs that showcase the latest tech. We were invited to on site visits at like, you know, Disney and Burbank, things of that nature. And so I just really like had the opportunity to kind of network with a lot of cool tech driven and tech enabled companies in Southern California. And you know, at the time I noticed that, like, hey, I like one of the only few people of color, black women in these, like, spaces. So I really wanted to kind of create an opportunity for more women, more black professionals to kind of navigate these spaces and feel comfortable. And so I think my first program I put on was like my senior year at Cal State Fullerton. And I. It was an international business major, you know, Portuguese minor, which I barely use, but. But yeah, so like, there's a lot of international business students at Cal State Fullerton. And luckily, like, unfortunately, we weren't close to like, you know, ports of San Diego or ports of Los Angeles. But a lot of people were interested in like, importing and exporting. And so I was able to connect with ports of Los Angeles, ports of Long beach, and kind of do like a presentation and a networking event. And that was like, really one of the first workforce development events I put on. And you know, a lot of people came, a lot of students, and they were able just to learn more, just fill in those gaps that may not be, you know, shared, like, in different classes, you know, just kind of filling those gaps where students may still have interests and want to learn like, more about, like, what career opportunities are available for them with their majors. And so that's kind of how I got started. And then after I, I graduated, I went to go work for the state of California at the Science center. And I was living in la and you know, during that time, I wanted to kind of figure out, like, okay, as a young professional in the city, how do I give back? And so I ended up joining the Los Angeles Urban League. They're an organization that focuses on social justice, mainly through workforce development. And they're in every, like, major city across America. But just working with Los Angeles community, I was able to just kind of like, network and a lot of companies we provided support for and like, helping them identify, like, diverse talents, you know, competitive talent. And also the Urban League is a great resource for a lot of transplants that come to Los Angeles looking for community. And you know, a lot of Black talent in SoCal comes from, like, these amazing, like, chocolate cities that have the support. And so a lot of them, you know, go to programs like Urban League or NSBE or some of the larger national organizations to try and identify like, that community. And so just kind of working with, you know, them and helping identify, you know, just working with them and helping a lot of the members, you Know, just find community, find jobs. And that's kind of how I got started in this industry.

Interesting.

What.

Just explain to us what a chocolate city is.

So a chocolate city is where the population, I would say, is Black population is 50% or more. So like Detroit or in Atlanta, even, like New Orleans, places like that.

Got it. Okay, thanks for that. While you're at the California Science Center, I want to ask you about the big event that was the Shuttle Discovery showing up. Because I was on the other side of that with retiring our main product. I was working on Spatial at the time. We actually donated our entire control center. In fact, my mug, chair and Last binder from STS 135 or 134 was donated to it. And I was. A bunch of us went down and, like, watched it come through the streets. You remember that? It was like such a spectacle of trees being trimmed and lines, like power lines being lifted up. What was that like working at the Science center, watching it arrive?

It was amazing opportunity. I remember when we got awarded the space shuttle. So, like, I was immediately put on that project as like a junior planner to kind of help a lot of the engineers and our partners from, like, Parsons and. And I forget some of the other companies, but the ones that were in planning and making the, you know, the shuttle come to the Science center from the airport. And so that was a really fun project. You know, being in the planning of all of that, a lot of meetings and then just trying to, like, identifying just ways for the space shuttle to come down, like, these narrow streets throughout South LA and Inglewood. So that was a really fun experience. And so, like, I worked more like on with the state on the facilities management side. So not only identifying, like a pathway of where the space shuttle would come, but also, like, how are we going to house this once it gets to the Science Center? And so planning, like, the, you know, the bunker that. That went in. And so I know, like, in the future they really want to get, like, the space shuttle and launch position. That's, like, the goal. That was a really good experience. Like, my first, I would say real job out of college and just being on that program and also being from the South LA community, there is one point where you could see, like, the space shuttle from my house on Crenshaw, the corner of Crenshaw and King. And my. I just remember all the families going out there taking pictures and whatnot. So that was really fun. And just kind of like working with all of the partners to kind of make it like a big Event and really something spectacular for the South LA community. For sure. For sure.

I just remember it being a real unifying moment for la. I mean, people what had happened over two days or something, they had like the big flyover and then, you know, moving it, but people came from all over town to come see the shuttle being moved. Even though it's going to be in a museum eventually. I just remember so many people coming out. It was a special moment, I feel like, especially to promote and highlight science and technology. It's kind of like a thank you for the 40 years of service to this thing. I don't know, I just remember being really special and touching for a community to give it that kind of. What did it feel? I mean, is that what the Science center expected it to be like or was it more just like logistical?

I think they expected it to be unifying for the community. Like they were planning for different community orgs and groups to be a part of this event and promote it and invite people to come as it was traveling along this corridor from the airport to the Science center. And so I think it really also helped the community realize like, how much science and engineering is accessible to them as like this space shuttle is going like inching down in front of people's streets. And so I think that was a great opportunity for the Science center to really engage the community and get youth and families interested in STEM education.

Awesome. Yeah, I can't wait for it to see it vertically.

Uh, yeah, it's gonna be pretty awesome.

Yeah. So how'd you, I mean, you'd already gotten the inspiration to, to you know, lead in your community, but it's one thing to build programs, another to like found an organization like Western Regional Diversity Conference and others. How'd you know how to just take Rip the band Aid off and go all in on, on starting something like that?

So I, I do appreciate my time, you know, working for the Urban League and working for Blacks and Technology and other organizations. It taught me a lot of just about how to engage the community, how to build your network. But I, you know, wanted to kind of do that through my own. Like, I feel like I've had so many connections over the years and I really wanted to kind of bring these connections and create something. And so I just decided like one day I'm going to start my own nonprofit organization. And so it's been interesting, as I can say. It's been interesting, it's been fun, it's been definitely eye opening because it's not just like, hey, creating programming but it's more so like in as I'm a nonprofit, like business owner, I would say more so like capacity building and doing it quickly. And that's kind of one of the things that I am focusing on is the organization. And then I really wanted to, you know, as a woman that's like my age, in her 30s, I really wanted to provide programming just based on my like, experiences as like an 80s baby. And you know, just what I went through getting into like school and getting access to like when I went, before I went to college, like I passed my AP calculus test and you know, I couldn't do that without certain like mentors and programs that were set in place for me. You know, I did move to the Inland Empire, like in my middle school, like high school years. But upon returning after college, I would expect like my community to be more, to have more resources and not like the opposite way around. And so like after working at the Science center and working for the Urban League and just moving back to greater Los Angeles area, I saw that there was still definitely a need for black residents in south la. And so that's what encouraged me to kind of create programming. And then after, you know, just doing my conference in San Diego and just also learning about some of the disparities that are in San Diego, kind of similar to like I would say, all over SoCal, all over the U.S. but I really wanted to, you know, just through my lens, I really wanted to kind of create programming that I thought would be beneficial and supplemental to some of the other programs that are growing that are in Southern California. And it does take a lot of, you know, you really have to be proactive and have like an ear to the ground of what's happening in these ecosystems to really drive impact. And so, you know, just with my background working in government, working in private sector, I really just wanted to bring my experience and my expertise in doing what I can to help these communities.

That's awesome. I mean, it's one thing to go at it alone though, and you know, build it yourself and do it, which many of us feel like you and me have just things have to get. No one else can be trusted to do it. You just got to get it done. But what I've noticed about you though is you've joined other organizations and maybe taken a role to kind of do it as a group, which is, you know, humbling in a sense. I think not a lot of entrepreneurs, whether it's a non profit or for profit entrepreneur, would take a job or even take Maybe what it feels like a lesser role, not even saying that, but just like joining someone else who's already got it started and learning from them. Whereas in fact, it's actually where you learn skill sets that you may have weaknesses in. So I applaud you on that, of just joining in with other people to fill in gaps in that regard. What did you kind of learn of joining, like, blacks in tech and some of those others to get you to kind of where you are now?

Well, I definitely really understood, like, how, like, just, you know, working founders, working with founders, every founder has, like, their own energy, their own goals. And so just learning that, like, everyone had their own personality. And so, like, I definitely, like, in these roles, I had to quickly become like a people person and really have a high emotional intelligence working with a lot of different personalities. And so that's where, you know, like, I kind of shine being able to work with different people. Communication is so key. A lot of these, A lot of times, like, these programs are like passion projects with a lot of people. And so someone can't always dedicate but, you know, the full time to making a program to, like, the best of its ability. You know, I always try and, like, work and see where people are at in there and what they can do and how they can contribute and just kind of mobilize, you know, people. And now I can't always expect, like, the world from everyone, but I know that people come to like, the table with different skill sets. And so I try to hone in on, like, what those skill sets are. Instead of hopefully in the process of us doing programs, they'll see, like, you know, this is how you build a program and they'll learn from it. But I also like to utilize people's skill sets and just, they're good at something, let them do it, you know, instead of trying to put them to do something, like, absolutely. That makes no sense for them. Just understanding that dynamic and just being a good listener to you at the same time. And so, you know, that's kind of how I like, worked with a lot of organizations and also just realizing, like, working with other people, you have to give. You may do a lot in the program, but the person that is like the leader or the face of the organization, like, you have to realize that you're building like this program for them to, like, shine and also execute. And so it's also important to help make leadership look good, the face of the organization look good. And so I always, like, strive to do that in those roles and that Taught me a lot about just patience and also dealing with my own like, ego, as in these lesser roles, you know. And so that's kind of some of the things that, that I learned and patience and how to also work in the chain of command. It taught me how to definitely become a good manager, but also like, manage up as well. Working with a lot of different people. Because sometimes, you know, as they say, like, not every, you may be in the be in a role, but you may not be the best person. But you know, in knowing that, like, I always try and help people like shine in their role. And so that's kind of like how I. Working with this organization helps me like build. Working in those organizations helped me, you know, work in my organization as well.

That's smart. I mean, it's easier said than done in the nonprofit space. Sometimes you look around and be like, this is it, this is the team. Like, we gotta do it. So how. So take me through like black TechLink. Where or what's. What are you up to now? What have you been doing, especially during COVID times to start this organization?

Yeah, so what we're up to right now is we're hosting our second annual Community Health and STEM Fest. And that event is focused on providing resources, jobs and health screenings for disadvantaged communities, underserved communities in south la. Last year we had the event in Mission Valley at Savita park, which is really cool. And the reason we created this event was we really wanted to just do our part to help people like of color get access to COVID 19 vaccination and COVID testing. And so that's kind of where the Community Health Fest launched. And you know, in doing this event, I, you know, reached out to a lot of community organizations. I was able to get some really great interns. Trying to remember the name of the university that provided them. It's one of those like art universities, but Full Sail Area, Full Sail University. And so they provided a lot of marketing interns and they helped build out the Community Health and STEM Fest and some other programs. And you know, just working with them, they were able to. We were able to work with like over 55 organizations. Our first year in the Community Health and Stem Fest, we were able to get some cool sponsorship and really have a good event. And so this year we definitely, as we're capacity building, we are growing those efforts. We are awarded a grant from the Department of Healthcare Access and Information to make our event like a career resource fair for people interested in the medical and health industry. And so just growing those Partnerships, growing our partnerships for the STEM side of the event as well. Working with a lot of like mechanical engineering firms that are local in San Diego to kind of provide support, which has been really great. And then of course we want it to be fun. So you know, having programs for youth, for kids. We're going to do back to school haircuts and this time we're not only providing COVID 19 vaccination, but we're going to be doing the whole range of back to school immunizations, flu vaccine, HIV testing, STD testing and things like that. So that's kind of what we're doing. We just got awarded a grant from Qualcomm foundation for their San Diego employee giving pitch competition. So the employees like voted us for us out of like hundreds of organizations for us to win this, you know, 1 out of 10 orgs that won't this grant. So just, you know, capacity building during the pandemic. When I first started black techling, I was like, okay, a lot of people are losing their jobs, right, and being laid off and they need to figure out how to upskill, how to pivot into other industries that didn't have such high turnover that were essential. And so that's kind of what also led me to creating Black TechLink to focus on workforce development. And then I was like, okay, where do I begin? Because workforce development is so broad. And I said, well first you have to look it up the pipeline to see where people enter and exit like tech, especially black professionals, like where do they gain interest in it? Where do they exit it? And so, you know, we start looking at like, you know, middle school and high school. And we saw that like I was doing some research for the California Assessment for, I forget that acronym, the student assessment Test, you know, that students take at the end of the year. And like they're saying after sixth grade the test scores for black students begin to significantly drop off. Where by 11th grade only like maybe 18% are like, of black students in the state of California are graduating with math and science proficiency. Those numbers were exacerbated during the pandemic. And so I was like, that would be a good place to start to kind of, you know, provide mentorship, share STEM training. And so we did some really cool six to eight week program for a lot of community organizations in San Diego. We worked with organizations like the Blue Heart Foundation, Access to Jobs and some faith based institutions to provide like we served 90 kids during our first year, which is really exciting during the pandemic where we mailed them like robotics kids, we taught them virtually and that was a big undertaking. You know, just keep teaching kids not only how to build robots, but just digital literacy and etiquette, you know, in a virtual environment. So that was fun. And then as things opened up, we did some hybrid training. But that's kind of where our program like launched. And I didn't necessarily foresee it that way. Like, you know my go to base when working with Blacks in Tech and Urban League, we were mainly working with early career mid, just senior career professionals. Right. And then you know, in doing like taking a closer look at the pipeline, we really decided to really work with youth and create like a youth program where they can have hands on learning, learn, you know, Python, learn HTML, CSS, you know, JavaScript and just also learn like hardware computing and physical computing. And so we really wanted to implement like this robotics program because we thought it'd be a great opportunity for them to get in to stem. So that's kind of where our organization started, where it's heading. We do like, we have some fun too. You know, I'm trying to not do so much networking events especially you know, since we're getting back to. But we have fun. We try and do like some in person networking events where we bring professionals together to chat. Those are always exciting. We just did one a couple weeks ago in partnership with the ESRI conference and Blacks at esri and so we had a really cool networking event at downtown San Diego Chefs. And so there was people all over. Like it was a packed. But as much as I love doing like networking events, I really want to do programs and I don't want, I mean I love to party but I don't want my organization to be like we just meet and greet and party and. But those are always fun too. Providing a space, I would say for professionals. I mentioned there's a lot of transplants that come to SoCal. So I think it's always important to have those events as well for people to come and connect.

Yeah, for sure. Where can the community be helpful to you right now? You know, as people are coming back out to events and some of that. What's needed for Black tech link that we can support you with?

Yeah, I would say, you know, just show up, share. I really like when I do programs, I try and like do them and try and create impact. So we definitely want to see a lot of people. Our Community Health and STEM fest, we do have like I use a one day Roost robotics program we're going to be doing for the Community. And so if, you know, students, parents want to come out and participate, that'd be great. And then right now we're still identifying like one of our key components of our youth Robotics workshop was Raspberry PI technology. And I think before the pandemic, no one was hips a Raspberry PI. And then like, they realized that it was a great teaching tool. And so like, it's becoming scarce. So, you know, the grant that we just received from Qualcomm is going to go towards our next youth Robotics program. And so like, as we, you know, get everything together mainly to launch in the spring, we're hoping the community can come if they have students that want to participate, to participate in our six to eight week youth Robotics workshop. And we're looking to debut that in the spring 2023. Oh, awesome.

Super cool. We look forward to supporting and showing up and helping. Man, I'm just so inspired by you and a number of other community members who are focused on STEM for underserved. I mean, some others that come to mind, like Jasmine lafleur, Jasmine Sandler, who.

Jasmines are great. I love them.

Yeah, I'm sure, like, you guys all get along really well and you're all so mission driven about that. Mike Roberts comes to mind as well too, of helping with tech literacy. Does it feel like there's a lot of orgs or does it feel like we have so much more to go, we need a lot more support and building more programs?

I feel like we definitely need a lot more. There's so many technologies out there. Like in doing this last event with ESRI and just like we did a head count of like hand count where like before like black techlinks started promoting this event, who knew what GIS even was like geographical information systems. And so it's like you're not working in it. You don't know what you don't know. And so like we always. And there's a lot of stuff, like a lot of things that, like education and knowledge that the black community still needs to gain and access in technology. And so I think, like, it's important for organizations like, greater than tech and creating coding careers and STEAM Collab, you know, we definitely need to like, continue working together to just move the needle and get more black students interested, you know, promoting digital literacy so they have interests and have understanding of like some of the, you know, technology that's going to come out that's driving like in demand careers of today's decade. And so there's just a lot that still can be done. But I applaud the organizations that are actively working to do the work. And yeah, there's a lot that can still be done, you know, always. And so I'm glad that like there's a lot more awareness being created in San Diego county in regards to like just educational, you know, disparities, but also a lot more educational opportunities. I think since the murder of George Floyd, a lot of people have been really trying to understand how to rewrite some of these wrongs and really provide resources to create equitable change. And so, you know, that's organizations like mine, that's some of the things that like fuel us in doing what we do. And I'm excited for the future. I know there's a big, a lot of work to be done, a lot of conversation to be had, but it is like one of those things where we, I feel like black residents, deaf black parents, guardians, we definitely need to do a lot to also support our youth and in making sure that they understand like what the future holds as far as like career opportunities and what is going to drive like these career opportunities as far as the knowledge, the skill set that students need to have, you know, in accessing these great opportunities. And so if we can organizations like myself, we can do what we can to kind of provide access to certain technologies, to certain schools, to certain companies that are looking to hire individuals. Like we're going to do what we can.

Absolutely. No, it's, you're totally right on that. They're like seeing is believing you almost back to that space shuttle coming down the road thing, you know, if it's not in front of you, you don't know that it exists, let alone that you're capable of doing it right. And so I super applaud you, all of you community leaders and continuing to bring programs and products to people who wouldn't, who wouldn't even see it and they wouldn't know that's a career path. So super important. I'm here to support however I can in that regard. So keep sending me your links and to your events and I will keep brag, shouting them from the room, that's for sure. But let's do an event together. Like I am totally down to, to collaborate. It's. We're due time in that regard to try something whether it's our dev and day to night and making sure we bring a whole new audience to it or something you're doing making sure our audience are cross pollinating, that's for sure.

Yeah, we're thinking about Bringing back baseball hack day again, that was fun. Like working with the Padres and getting people just baseball hack day. If you don't know, it's like an event where you one day hackathon where you create baseball programs, products, apps, tools, visualizations and it's fun, it's great for all skill levels and so that's always fun to involve the Padres.

So okay, let's do it and then I'd welcome you to join. One we're doing in October, we're doing an ag Tech Hackathon 3 day Very like non tech focused hackathon in Escondido. October 21st, 2nd and 3rd with the City of Escondido. We are bringing together agtech community to come up with a bunch of new ideas and it's kind of going to be the kickoff for Escondido's new agtech incubator that they're going to host all year round in the city, which should be super cool to have both the farming community, the water community and the tech community all under one roof.

Let's definitely talk some more because I'm actually working right now on developing like a. It's an ag tech and agribusiness like workforce development program. Right now we're writing like the grant for that for. I forget the California farming. Is it cfda? That's one. And then I forget the other one. California Natural Resources Authority. And so working with them to identify youth programs and getting them involved in learning about ag tech and ag business. So definitely think there's some alignment. There is. We're already scheduling like farm Visit like for 2023 just so they can have an understanding of like just farming in general. Yeah.

Which is becoming more tech focused, you know. And so those two together absolutely should be married. That's rad.

Let's do it.

Let's talk offline. I'll send you more details about it and I'm stoked. But you know, you've been in Southern California. Sounds like most your life like me. You've obviously seen our taco scene. Where's your go to Taco spot?

My go to taco spot. So I'm super bougie when it comes to tacos. There is a place that I like but I know it's closed right now in downtown. Maybe it's open, but it's called El Serrano. Have you been there?

Yep. El Serrano.

Like their ribeye steak tacos. It's like a shame, like.

So good. No, I hear you for sure. Hey, there's a taco for every time of the day. There's late night tacos, there's bougie tacos, there's breakfast tacos. Are they in Barrio Logan? Is that where they are? I'm trying to remember where?

El Serano. They're in downtown, across the street from the Moxie Hotel. And then I think there's one in Coronado too.

That's right. Okay, that's a good one. It actually hasn't been mentioned yet here, so adding a new one to our taco database, which is rad. Well, Elizabeth, one, let's go get some tacos together. Obviously we're due for that, but I'm excited to collaborate with you and thank you for what you're doing in the community in continuing to build and educate so many. With the news of Apple hiring 5,000 new jobs in San Diego today, literally. So maybe this is dated based on when this goes out, man, we need that pipeline of good tech talent more so than ever because we want to hire local if we can. So keep doing what you're doing, keep inspiring and we're going to make a good future for us, that's for sure.

Wonderful. Thank you so much for having me, Neil. I'm always inspired by the work that you're doing.

Ah, likewise here. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thanks again.

Cheers. All right, bye.

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