#232 Liquidity Crunch or Massive Opportunity? 2026 Capital Markets Outlook

Most people don't really appreciate the fact that the average homeownership tenure in the home you live in is about 4 years on average, which means you have not actually clipped. Whether or not you're renting from a man named Steve or Wells Fargo, you're still renting your home if that's what you're doing. 50-year mortgage is just longer rental cycle.

Welcome to the High Voltage Business Builders Podcast, a show where we interview high voltage entrepreneurs growing and scaling through ecommerce, real estate, and other wealth without Wall Street ventures, showing you the path to making your first or next So tell me what's happening in the new year down in Huntington Beach, Chris.

Well, first of all, pleasure to be with you. Thank you for having me.

My pleasure.

What is happening in Huntington Beach, other than the weather being great and the ability to, if you so choose, play golf or even jump in the cold Pacific Ocean? It is a wonderful place to be. But the new year has started, I would say, interesting.

Okay.

So we came out of last year, especially in what I do, in kind of Capital raising and helping companies grow. And it's this kind of 50/50 shared view of it's going to be better, but we just don't know how yet. And then all of a sudden we get a little Venezuela mixed in. It's like every year there's just something to start the year that gives us all this fear, uncertainty, and doubt. It's wonderful.

Uncertainty and doubt.

Yeah.

Confusion and, and chaos and anarchy in some people's courts, right? Yeah. Why not just jumble it up and see what they do?

Jumble it up.

Just, just jumble it up.

Just throw it right in. We'll do tariffs last year. It's like I didn't have Venezuela on the bingo card, but here we are.

No.

Well, I didn't have 2020 on that one either. So hey, we're, we're now 5, 6 years into, let's just do whatever the heck we want to do and just see how and see what happens.

You know, see how resilient American people are.

Yeah. Let's, let's just go invade Greenland too. That'll be cool. Let's just see what happens with that. Why not just throw caution to the wind?

Just let's do it.

That's awesome. Has it affected your business at all positively or negatively? Any of this stuff going on in your business?

Because you guys, No, you know, if I look at the roadmap of, of, and you brought it up from 2020 to today, right?

Sure.

I'd say you're, you're kind of rolling. You gotta take some punches, you gotta take some good.

Yeah.

But overall, you know, and I had a, a great meeting this morning on this with, with a colleague, capital markets and just general liquidity and venture and PE kind of stagnant. And it shouldn't be a surprise, right?

No, not too much. Fourth quarter kind of happens a little bit like that, right?

Yeah. But I think even more macro, if you take a step out, you're not seeing the same type of M&A activity as you were in years prior. And yeah, you know, coming out of '21, obviously we talk about this a lot. That was a very fun but unrealistic view of this market.

Yeah.

However, I think everyone who who had their very, very dirty crystal ball would've said it would come back a little bit with a little bit more fervor than it has, right?

Yeah.

Companies aren't going public at the same rate. There are, you know, in that conversation this morning, there are some amazing companies that are sitting at $10, $20 billion valuations that are saying, I'm gonna stay private. This is great.

We're just gonna hold it.

Right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so there's this piece of, it causes this liquidity crunch. And so you need this cycling of capital to happen in a, you know, fairly good tempo to really support a lot of, of what's happening in, in this private investment community. It's not to say there aren't great deals getting done, but just there's a, I'd say a liquidity pinch in a lot of cases where people are in deals for years longer than they'd planned to be.

That's, that's not, I mean, it just sounds cyclical in nature, isn't it? I mean, how long have you been at this game?

It depends on when you want to start the clock, right? So early in my career as in real estate investment banking, And I choose— chose to do that in the 2007, '08, '09 range. So that was a fun time to be out doing mezz debt and growth and income funds when the whole world is imploding in real estate.

Mm-hmm.

I spent the better part of the next decade as an operator, right? Growing companies, had a few exits, had raised capital for some funds that I was doing with, with another GP. And then I joined the firm here at Sileico back in January '22. And so, you know, I joined right at the fun time, let's say post-COVID, right? When, you know, we're going to have some fun with some interest rates and we're going to have some fun with some uncertainty in tariffs a few years later. And now, you know, let's see what World War III ends up being. Sorry, I didn't mean to be that heavy, but, you know, we'll just, we'll just throw out just a little invasion of another country. Who knows?

I don't know.

And so, you know, there's always something. So while I would say cyclical in nature, absolutely you can point back. But I'm not sure I can really recall a time where it's been this stagnant. And that isn't something that I think people should necessarily fear. There's, there's great—

Oh, it just means timelines change. Perseverance and patience kick in a little bit, right?

Yeah. And I think there's a responsibility for not only the, the executive teams, the operating teams at these companies, but also certainly their boards and their investors to be more prudent than they ever have been. Now, I will say, to your point, if I go one step higher and we look at capital markets, for example. Yeah. There are times of revenue, meaning of growth, and there are times of yield or, or profit as things have value.

That's right.

Right.

And so harvesting—

You got it. And so I think we're at a time of, and we have been, of yield being important. Now, with that said, I would argue that 2025 got a little wonky pricing in some growth metrics against some things, but to be expected.

I don't know, man.

This is going to be, it is interesting. It's going to be an interesting year.

It really already started off pretty interesting. I'm optimistic. I mean, it sounds like you are too, but it just, the parameters by which that optimism has changed. And, you know, as entrepreneurs, we're blindly optimistic. Let's call it really what it is. Right. So we don't always see things from the forest through the trees. We try to, but I know that in the last year, one of the things we've been doing a lot of in our business is planting.

Yes.

Right? We've been planting and planting means at certain periods of time, you just, you know, you're waiting for that great growth and you're hoping a storm doesn't come and kick things down while you're waiting for the harvest. We watched Little House on the Prairie at times with my girls. Love that show. You ever seen that one? Yeah.

Oh yeah, I have.

Where he goes out and plants the whole farm and then it hails, right? Then he gets sick and he's in bed and he like wants to die and all this stuff. Sometimes that's what it feels like to be planting.

Yeah. And as we're talking about this as well, there's a— I think it's a Chinese proverb, but I'm going to mess it up. But I would implore people to look it up. Basically, it's this guy and his son. Son's riding the horse, breaks his leg, right? And they're like, oh my God, I feel so bad for your son. He broke his leg. And he's like, we'll see. And then the draft comes by and he doesn't get chosen because he has a broken leg, so he doesn't have to go.

He doesn't get drafted.

Right. And follow-on story, follow-on story. It's always, we'll see. We'll see.

We'll see.

And so I think there's this piece of when we look at '26, right, all this fear, uncertainty, and doubt and things happening, it's kind of like, we'll see. I think there's going to be some amazing opportunities that come outta here. Yeah, there always are. And when I look against our portfolio at the firm, there's some amazing things happening for, for companies as, as early as the next 12 to 18 months.

And so— Agreed. Agreed.

When I look at that, I go, that is where we should be driving.

We're in the planning phase.

Yeah.

Does that mean that some companies are, you know, 6 months behind where they were supposed to be on projected forecasts? Yeah, that's to be expected as well.

Yeah.

And so we keep working through that.

Corrections are always a normal part of a free market economy. And as long as it stays a free market economy, then we can see those things occur, right?

Agreed.

I think there's that concern where, you know, entering a stage that some of it doesn't feel like a free market economy. But on the same hand, it's like, well, businesses are growing, capital's being projected to be deployed. there are concerns about how that's going to be tariffed or other things. And so, okay, we dealt with the tariffs. That's part of business now for a product-based physical company that works, moves, has logistics, and got product on ships right now. It's just one of the things we've dealt with. And those who panicked during that timeframe, who were not cautious and optimistic and didn't see a macro view, panicked.

Yeah.

And that panic has caused a lot of people a lot of money. Some of the businesses have gone out. Others like us are trying to capitalize everything as fast as we can because the opportunity is going crazy. And I've got businesses that are so new that need the capital that other capital creative financings are just like, you're still too new, but those are some amazing numbers. And we're like, okay, well give us another couple months and we'll be there.

Yeah.

And so we're looking at how that grows. And I think it's just a matter of, you know, you look at things long enough, you know when to panic and when to get concerned about other things and when to see optimism through negativity.

Yeah.

And I see lots of optimism, right? Optimism, excuse me, right now where people are seeing negativity. I see the possibilities, you know, that income from our country supersedes income tax anymore. That, you know, we might actually see a timeframe when we get 10% interest on credit cards and things that could be positive. And gas prices could drop $1.50.

Yeah.

Things that are going to fundamentally help power our country back. into a state of greater economic opportunity than we've seen in a few years. Things that are being exposed will own dark to light, the amount of fraud. You see those things being exposed, you realize things are changing. They have to change. And when they do, there's opportunity. You just have to be smarter about when and where you step in the opportunity.

Yeah. And what's interesting, and I would be remiss if I didn't bring it up, even though it sounds self-serving to talk about one of our portfolio companies, but When we look at opportunity, you know, you saw the administration come out and talk about housing and the lack of affordability in housing.

Correct.

And, you know, you mentioned I live in here in California and it's not affordable here in California.

Nope.

As we well know. But there are companies that are trying to do things a little differently. And one of ours in our portfolio is a company called Bonus Homes. They're actually what's called a HAP, Home Appreciation Program. And it's to revitalize the middle class through a really unique way of buying and selling primary Residential real estate. And so you saw Blackstone come out.

Yeah.

And their stock dive once the administration said no more buying and selling institutional SFRs or single-family residences. But Bonus Homes sits outside of that because they are not buying and selling anything. The way they've built the instrument is they get to empower the middle class by still being able to participate in these homes on a move-forward basis. And so they're defined as a HAP as well, something that Congress is going to have to really work with over the next year. And that puts them in a really interesting space. And, you know, when we talk about whether or not we're opportunistic or pessimistic in the following year, right, when it comes to things like this, everyone's happy that, you know, these big groups aren't buying.

Well, yeah, it's the opposite of when people cry fascism, where they're pulling corporations out of the ability to overtake the minority or the public, and we're going the opposite direction.

Yes.

Of corporate takeover, which is fascism. I just find it fascinating that people can't see that. And it's being reversed, and it's a great thing. I don't want corporations buying up neighborhoods.

No.

Renting the houses back to us.

No, exactly. Which I think from our perspective is why we put a large investment into this company, because they were saying we're not them. Yeah, right. The middle class has to participate in it, and the revitalization of that's going to be extremely important. And bonuses right there to capitalize on it.

It's gonna be needed to keep people from having to rent everything. And you have an opportunity to buy something.

Yes. And so it's funny, as, as we become more and more renters in this country, just general for everything, whether or not it's leases or your car. Yeah, exactly.

So many features on stuff, your car you're having to rent now.

Like, that's ridiculous. So I mean, ownership is important and being able to fairly do so.

Yeah.

And for a lot of folks, It's just not attainable anymore.

Ready to escape your grind? We help entrepreneurs build real wealth with private label brands. Visit voltage dm.com to start now. Yeah, and I am optimistic that it will become that way. I really am. I, 'cause I don't like the, maybe I'm again, back to that blind optimism. Maybe I don't want to see the possibility of it not happening 'cause I have children.

Yeah.

I want to see them have an opportunity, you know, on their, you know, as much as their own 2 feet can carry them. I want to give them opportunities too, to, you know, have a home and have a place to be. And that's part of the reason we've structured the way we structure our house and moved out of the cities and went to, you know, acreage.

Yes.

Live out here on, you know, now 65 acres with our parents on 3 different properties that are combined here.

That's amazing.

And so I would look at that and say, well, could we not have 4 more? Out here? And yeah, we could. And that's the opportunity to build that out. And it's going to take time and everyone's going to have to collaborate, but it's a valuable part of a society that someone has a place to call their own.

Yes, 100%. And I'm sure we could talk forever about urbanization and a whole bunch of other things and where you work. But I think everyone was given this amazing gift and whether or not companies hold true to it on this work remote and being able to work anywhere. And really kind of structure things different. And I'm not sure we saw the full concentration move out, but we certainly saw a lot of people. And I think quality of life goes up dramatically, affordability goes up, and I think it's all very important. But a lot of things have to change from a real estate perspective to really allow people that affordability. And a lot of that comes with new builds.

Yeah.

New builds and opportunities.

Yep.

And you have the problem in states like California where new builds are not on their agenda.

No, because you have a lot of people arguing against it from a home value perspective.

Right. Well, they're going to— it's that catch-22 because now their 3-bedroom, 2-bath, you know, dumpster fire worth $1 million is really not valued at $1 million anymore, is it? When you put in new homes, it changes that valuation, which is part of the painful right-sizing that would have to occur. in those locations. Not that it's wrong necessarily, and I wouldn't want to be stuck in that place either if my home from 20 years or 30 years of mortgage payments was worth so much. Yeah, but then again, they could sell it, you know. That's— there's always opportunity.

They could sell it. There is always opportunity. It's whether or not they want to.

There is. Well, that's the tough part, right? That is. And how does some of these changes, you know, how do you think this is going to affect what you're doing?

I mean, 50-year mortgages, what is your take on that one, for Ooh, I think already, you know, it, it doesn't, it doesn't change specifically from the bonus perspective. It doesn't change, right? You're gonna look at a lower payment, I would assume. Well, not assume, I know there'll be more interest baked in, so it just takes you longer to ever actually—

20 years more-ish or so. Yeah.

We've— I think most people don't really appreciate the fact that the average homeownership tenure in the home you live in is about 4 years on average. Which means you have not actually clipped.

Is it really that low now?

Yeah, it's about 4 years.

I thought it was more than that.

No, last, last data I saw was 4 years. So I always make the joke, whether or not you're renting from a man or man named Steve or Wells Fargo, you're still renting your home if that's what you're doing.

And so, is that a byproduct of the lower interest rates and where you had to change the movement when there was 2, 3%, you know, mortgage rates where every 4 years you could upgrade to a new home or whatever pretty easy?

Pretty easy. Yeah. Money's free. There's different things that happen. I would say obviously tenure being a lot longer now, if we were to go out the next 4 or 5 years, it probably would, right? With the exception of people that have to sell, have to move, right? But if you have paper that's under 3%, it would be foolish.

Well, it's down to 5.9% I heard now, or somewhere around there. Is that where we're at? A little bit better, but still, why would you move with a 3 or 4%? You're not going to.

No.

Well, you'd be silly not to unless you were forced to.

Correct. And so, you know, 50-year mortgage is just longer rental cycle, I guess, is the way I look at it, right? Like, it—

who ultimately does it benefit? The investor?

What are you saying?

I mean, well, okay, so I'm a homeowner, but I don't have a mortgage. But if I were to get a mortgage, is it one by which 50 years really helps me, or does it help the guy who I'm going to rent it from? Like if I were to buy from Steve as opposed to Wells Fargo, who's like, do a 50-year mortgage.

Yeah.

If you were to rent from Steve, it would, I would say it absolutely. Well, so it's 2 ways, right? So are you a land baron with multiple properties and doing this stuff, right? And so you want to have kind of capital pools that you can refinance and pull from to do your strategy to do more. I would argue the 50-year note And it's not as good. But if I had a house where I could lower my payment by a third, which means I get more rental income, I do not necessarily care.

Yep.

Right.

Yeah.

Whether or not—

In perpetuity.

I'm getting a, I'm getting a better yield as an investor. I would still keep rents exactly at fair market. They're not going down with that 50-year.

No.

So I'm just getting more yield on a cash-on-cash basis per year. My mortgage paydown delta's not really happening. Yeah, but my appreciation still is. So true.

So you could reinvest, you could refinance quite a few of your properties under the 50-year.

Yeah.

Knowing you're going to hang on pretty much quite a long time.

Pull the cash out up to a certain point and now you have a much lower payment. I think it would behoove people who may have had an arm or something come due and all of a sudden need to refinance right into a lower payment.

7 or 8%. Yeah. That would've been a—

So, but, but no, I mean, look, I would tell you that when it comes to this piece, I'll get over my skis quicker than, than most. I don't want to purport that. However, just logically being able to extend out, right? It's why the 30-year fixed was so great, right? I have consistent, understandable monthly payments on what this asset is going to do. And as long as I stay here or don't stay here, eventually it'll be paid off or it won't. And when you look at the fact that I look at my parents in their 70s still have a mortgage that they're servicing, right? So like the idea of having the asset free and clear, you can, and I've heard arguments on both sides. One is what a great opportunity to not have a monthly payment for your home.

True.

The other discussion is, yeah, but if you've got 3% paper, we could argue that's Negligibly free.

Negligibly free.

Free.

And I now have all that liquidity to go do other things. So, you know, yeah, there's a benefit to that. What's that?

Well, yeah, of course there's a benefit to that. I mean, if you're looking at the, your cash flowing versus borrowing someone else's money, keeping your cash, then yeah, it's a much different game.

OPM with a lot, with a small interest rate, being able to take your cash.

Yeah, it's not a— it's, it's a fart in the wind. We bought a new car, first actually new car in, in 19 years together.

Yeah.

Because we never bought new cars because it's a, it's a waste. But it's the first time we had an opportunity. Interest rate was like 4% on, on it. And I'm like, put a little money down and then just cash flow it because it's going to cost maybe $3,500 in 5 years. Plus it's a Section 179. It's a car we use for business. It's got the write-off. It's got all that stuff. And it's like, That's just free money.

It's free money. And now whatever your principal payment would've been for the entirety of it, put it into something meaningful, but, you know, as safe as good yields get, right?

It goes back into physical products.

Yeah.

And what do we have? We have assets that make us more money.

What's the component of that engine for both of us, isn't it? Physical assets.

It is. And I think that's where there's an old school mentality of, When I pay this thing off, I am free. And you're kind of like, okay, let's assume we're back to that million-dollar home, right? That you've spent 30 years paying off. So now you have a million dollars sitting in an asset that, yeah, it's appreciating, but it's just sitting there.

It's not recognized until you sell it.

Correct. So if I were to pull out cash on it and hopefully have the capital to service it, couldn't I buy an investment property or 2 and have the cash flow off of it cover the mortgage on my house?

You could absolutely do that.

Oh, wait a second. Now I have 3 assets, a primary and 2 investment properties.

And what else?

And so I think there's these things no one's thinking about. How do you leverage that?

They just don't know. And they're, hopefully today they're listening to this because they're getting it from you. And you could take that capital and obviously put it into some kind of inventory factoring, you know, real estate, something that drives value and appreciates, and then write the difference of it off or borrow it against it for free and you pay no taxes against, Which is probably going to be a strategy that I hope will change if taxes get changed altogether. And yeah, you obviously turn something from nothing into something, but just sitting on it is still nothing. It's the only, it's that net worth appreciation of our grandfather's grandfather, which was great. But in our lives, it doesn't make any sense anymore.

No.

And you're not going to sell it, then you're never going to realize it. It just becomes part of your net worth, but none of the value can be obtained until sold or at death or if some other event occurs. So it's really not true net worth, is it?

No, it's just a line item on a piece of paper that makes you feel good at night when you go to sleep.

Oh, and by the way, don't pay your taxes for 3 years and find out what happened to that 30-year asset that you thought you owned that you didn't sell.

Exactly.

Don't pay your property taxes.

Yes. Guess what?

You're still renting the land underneath it. If we're going to be technical, we have to get rid of that actually to make this whole thing really legitimate, don't we? Or we don't have to own the land.

No, you don't. No, you do not.

Dude, we're covering a lot of stuff on today.

I know, right?

What about the moon landing next? Or where are you going?

Let's go. My tinfoil hat's over there on the shelf. I'll go grab it.

Bring it out. Let's put some, put some tinfoil on and keep moving. Some of this stuff is no longer tinfoil. This is reality.

It is.

It's just reality.

Well, you know, you brought up, and, and, you know, by no means am I a financial planner. This is not financial advice, but I will tell you, You brought up the 179 tax exemption, right? The accelerated depreciation on assets. It is something that I don't think a lot of people certainly know about.

And it just changed. It just changed. Did you see that? It's now $2.5 million.

Up to $2.5 million.

New announcement, just up to $2.5 million. Yeah.

That is huge, by the way.

Yeah. You want to explain it to everybody what we're talking about?

So the quick and dirty of it is you can accelerate the depreciation on a physical asset that you buy for your business. So Neil, you mentioned a car, for example, right? Over 6,000 pounds, they call it a farm vehicle at that point. And so you can write off essentially, I believe it's, it switched from 80, 100 to 80, back up, I think to 100%.

Yeah.

I've gotta double check. Over 5 years. Yeah. Over 5 years, 100% of the value that you just received. So, or you just paid for. So if you bought a $100,000 piece of farming equipment for real, for your business and you're in farming, You get to write that off fully. Top line taxes done like you didn't make that income. If you happen to get a big truck for your business or happen to drive a truck like I do, you can write that off in the same way.

Yep.

But you can also do it for any asset. They do it typically for equipment leasing, or excuse me, equipment financing. They'll do it for anything really for your business that's a physical good and an asset that you can appreciate.

Yeah. Service industry-based businesses. People who move trucks, forklifts in warehouses, whatever else it is that you're using can be considered as part of that inventory and general merchandise, which is now up to— or general equipment, excuse me, which is now up to $2.5 million for small businesses.

Which is huge.

It is very big. And you small fleet vehicles, you guys in the service industries maybe listening to this, you know, run a small fleet of trucks for your at-home services businesses, just got a huge opportunity to take advantage of that.

Now, the one thing most people don't actually realize, and I'd be remiss if I didn't bring it up, is if you then sell that asset, you have to recoup those back. Oh yeah.

Or you have to recycle the next year. Go look this up, guys, so you know the boundaries of both rules. But yes, if you sell that asset within 5 years, it then can be taxable for the value of the asset.

Exactly.

Go look all that up and make sure you understand that. And you can talk to a tax accounting and planning Person.

Yes.

Caveat, disclaimer, disclaimer, disclaimer. If you don't know one, you can leave it in the notes below on one of the channels and we'll tell you who we use.

Yeah, we have a deal at the firm and I won't go too deep into it, but it takes advantage of this. We have a large pallet company and so they make physical pallets. Physical pallets are assets that move.

Yeah.

To do sale leaseback and be able to enjoy the accelerated depreciation.

Smart.

From a tax perspective for our investors. So things like that.

Halletts too. You're all over the place.

We are. Yeah. So our firm, our, you know, when we look at ourselves, we're a private investment firm. And I make the joke, what does that mean? It means nothing on purpose. Right. But if I tell you we're venture, you're anchored in venture. If I tell you we're PE, private equity, where you're anchored in private equity, when you look at it, we build capital strategies for mostly family office and ultra-high net worth individuals. Excuse me. So We have a venture growth equity arm that's deployed hundreds of millions of dollars in capital in, you know, 40 different companies. We do traditional private equity. We have the equipment leasing fund I mentioned. We do private credit. We have a couple real estate projects in development. We also have a full advisors team. Think of them as a management consulting team that can come in and drive value during this formidable time for these early stage and, and private equity deals. And then a wealth division as well. So as I tell you that, you're going, yeah, you're not a venture firm, you're not a private equity firm, right? We really have our hands in these different pieces and we're able to, to put together opportunistic deals, both ones that we invest in as well as ones that we create specifically to help our investors really enjoy, whether or not it's tax savings or, you know, some kind of upswing on an investment they make or, you know, great steady return per year on a private credit basis.

Well, we got to talk about some of that because there's some stuff that we're doing you're probably going to be interested in.

I love that.

should talk to you more about what Voltage and Cayman are doing in that respect. And those who are listening to this should check out you as well. You want to give them the link and call out real quick?

Yeah, so solycocapital.com. That's S-O-L-Y-C-O capital.com. And if you really need and you're watching, it's right behind my head.

Yep. How you say, or in the notes below, or right now if Danny's listening to this, put it right here. So our editor will stick it on here. It'll be on YouTube for those of you who are watching. If you're listening to this, guys, check out the notes, go check it out as well. Well, yeah, money is, it's ever moving, man. It's always flowing. It's a river. And I know a lot of people at times who listen to these podcasts hope it just magically floats over and bumps into them. But more often than not, you have to go find it because it's moving. And if you don't feel like it's near you right now, it just means it's not near you right now. That doesn't mean that can't change.

Mm-hmm.

And as it shifts and moves, and sometimes you just gotta find ways to get in front of it. So if you're trying to get in front of capital today, this might be something you wanna go check out with Chris. Or go check out what we're doing in e-commerce. That's another way you want to get in front of money that's moving because e-commerce and physical products are moving great. Real estate is going to be moving a lot more, I think, this year with changes in policy and finance and mortgage rates and maybe even no taxation and other things. Who knows? The world is changing so fast.

It is.

Something's going to happen tomorrow. We'll talk about it, I suppose, as the time goes. Man, I appreciate you spending some time with me, sharing a good word. And, uh, just, you know, having a great conversation. I've enjoyed this conversation. I hope those who are listening have as well. And, well, give us a positive comment and thumbs up. And if not, leave some negative comment. We don't care. It just helps the algorithm. Shake and bake on this thing, man. Any last words?

Neil, thank you. This was, this was great. This was great. Thank you very much. I really appreciate the time.

It's been fun, man. Guys, as always, like, comment, share, and engage. Check out the last episode. Uh, we always do guest sessions on Wednesdays, you know, and on Fridays we do our weekend review. Update, so check that out as well. We are now top two and a half percent on all listen notes. So thank you for being a great listener and for being a part of the journey. And until then, we'll catch you guys on another episode. Take care.

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