From Virtual Teams to Time Freedom: Balancing Business and Family

There is no reason that you have to stay up till 2:00 AM trying to figure it out. There is no reason for you to completely disrupt your life for a challenge that you can solve in the morning. One of the hardest things in business is letting go and realizing that the problem you think is urgent, it's gonna be there tomorrow.

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Welcome back, folks, to the High Voltage Business Builders Podcast. It's Neil Twa, your host. As always, like, comment, share, engage, leave hate mail. I don't care as long as you're doing it on big tech, on social media, on one of these channels so that we can continue to engage and beat big tech at its own game. I'm just totally pissed off lately. I've been yelling at it on every podcast that someone will listen to, Joe, that I'm getting strikes on YouTube for content they don't like, and they're making me go through the, the Gestapo playbook of, uh, answering questions in yes and no format to get my strikes off my YouTube account. Just misinformation. So anyways, that's what I'm like torqued off about. But hey, let's talk about something more important, I think, at this point, which is building businesses, becoming independent, creating what I call almost automated income through FBA, other channels, business, whatever channel you're in, and doing it as well as you do it. And bringing you in to, to give some insights to people who are listening today in regards to their ability, um, to have a virtual team running multiple business channels. How's that sound?

Sounds good.

All right. We got a hook in there somewhere?

Well, I mean, the hook, I think so. I think the biggest hook is probably going to be just operating companies using virtual assistants instead of yourself.

Right? So creating freedom, almost automated and passive income and freedom.

That's right. Freedom is, I think, the biggest thing.

And what does freedom mean to you, brother?

For me, it's time freedom. It's the ability to be with my family, with my kids, never miss a single thing. Um, of course, financial resources. help that. Um, but ultimately at the end of the day, it's, can I do what I want to do when I want to do it with who I want to do it without worrying about the financial cost of it?

So the hard question would become then, can anybody be you? Can anybody do what you're doing?

Of course.

I mean, I, I'd like to say I'm not anybody special. I've just figured things out. And I think that anything is, almost anything is figureoutable. It's just a matter of whether you're going to go through the pain of doing it yourself first and then learn the lesson on the back end. And do you want to actually go through that exercise? Because the exercise is painful. It's painful to spend years.

The exercise is very painful.

Yeah.

So, and take a little road.

Yeah. And so I always say it's easier to learn from someone else if possible. However, there are mistakes that you just got to go figure out yourself.

So you're not the average Joe?

Well, I don't know about that. I'm pretty chill.

Pretty easy.

I'm the everyday Joe. Yeah.

The everyday Joe. I like it. There we go. The everyday Joe.

Yeah.

So you've mentioned family and freedom and what does that extend into? You mentioned time freedom and the aspect of being around your family. What does that relate to in terms of your normal week, your normal life, things you do? Yeah.

So in the winter I snowmobile almost every day, but I take my kids. My kids are homeschooled, but we do it through a hybrid. So they go to a farm school. So I get to drop them off. I go snowmobiling, I come back and I'm there before practices, before any event that's going to go on. But I get to do that every single day in the winter. In the summer, when the weather's nice, I mean, we've got our acreage here and it's whether it's horses and it's The kids are interested in rodeo, so we might start doing rodeo this year. It's sports and competitions and all the stuff that comes with that and camping and side-by-sides and going to the beach and all the fun stuff that we want to do and having the ability to do all of it no matter what. And so for me, I don't touch anything, no business opportunity, no investment, nothing unless or if it's going to hinder that lifestyle.

And I talked to a former, uh, well, not a former, but a current, or that was the word I was looking for, starting with an F. It's not that one, but the person who's homeschooling, who's also homesteading, who is also kind of in a hybrid situation with their life, who also has acreage, who also basically believes everything you just said, and also is in the digital online world. Rarely somebody in that capacity. I don't know if you know how rare that actually is as your last name, Joe the Rare, but is it rare or rare or rare?

Rare.

Yeah.

Rare.

I thought I had it right. I didn't want to— sorry. Nope.

Just like it says, rare steak.

Yep.

Just, yeah. No, now you're really getting into the crossover. How do you like your steak? Yeah. Are you a medium rare? Yeah.

Medium rare.

Yeah.

Go below me. If you go below medium rare, then you probably can't be friends with me. Well, we have all of our farm processed and off the hoof and never taken care of and processed or corn or anything. It just goes straight. Like, I want that cow out in the field and it goes to the Mennonite slaughterhouse and they package it all up and put it in the freezer. That's awesome.

Yeah.

That's the way we do it out here in this country. But yeah, very rare do I get people with side-by-sides and camping and the family and the rodeo. We, kids have been involved in, in around rodeo. Don't want to get in the rodeo, but they have very close friends who are in it and Right. And do all that stuff and, and just be a part of a homestead community as well. And a homeschooling community, which is fantastic. So those are things that have become valued to us. And, and obviously it's important to hear the value it did to you because for me, all of that opportunity stands right in front of anybody who's listening to this. It, it really is. Yes, we have found different ways to enable it. I enabled it through e-commerce and operations and building operational people and, and operating in a private label brand world. You did it through a slightly different mechanism. You wanna explain a little bit more about how you do yours?

Well, yeah, so I mean, I have service-based businesses currently right now. We have 5 that we operate. They are completely run by virtual assistants. And when I say virtual assistants, it's outsourced to— it's staff that just doesn't happen to be here. They happen to be in the Philippines. So the term virtual assistant is kind of synonymous with the virtual staffing world. And so we keep using the term just simply because it kind of solidifies what staff we're referring to. But I've built businesses and figured out a backend process and a model That I can replicate over and over, remove myself from the operations and allow the company to grow whether I'm there or not.

So you're in a niche, you found one revenue stream and you've turned it into 10, 20 different revenue streams all in the same sort of vertical area. You just kind of went out horizontal into the—

Well, we, I mean, we have completely different businesses. Some of them, I have an agency, I have a marketing agency that works with wedding venues. I have the virtual assistant services company where we provide virtual staff to small businesses, which is Level 9 Virtual. We have a data supply. So, um, we actually supply data to small businesses, whether that be like big, they call big data, right? Um, in data enhancement, um, anonymous website visitors. So identity resolution, things like that. And we provide that. We have, um, a freight dispatching company, which is a little different. That's just virtual staff literally doing logistics. Um, and then, um, and then we have a SaaS product. And so, um, all of those businesses are completely run virtually and run by virtual assistants.

The world is flat, right?

The world is flat. Oh, that's a fantastic book.

It's a great book. I, it really changed the way I think about perspective when I read it early on in my entrepreneurial career. Yeah. As I moved from the different quadrants of being an employer to getting to self-employed, and then self-employed turns into those things where you're like, hey, I can make more money by myself, but now I'm still trading time for money. I just live in a nicer house and get paid more to do the same hour-by-hour craft that I was doing before. Right.

That's right.

But duplicating yourself and replicating yourself always sounds like a simple answer to an actually very difficult process in many ways. Would you agree or disagree to some extent? Oh, I agree.

I think it, For the most part, it's impossible to most people. It seems like it's the most daunting task in the world. Nobody could do it better than me anyway, right? So if nobody could do it better than me, how could I replicate myself and get out of it if nobody could do it better than me? And so I always use the analogy, like in every business, one of the last things that we give up is sales. Because in the beginning, nobody's going to sell the product that I created better than I can sell it. And so that's one of the last pieces where it's like, okay, put somebody in place and you can replicate the sales side of it. The fun part is that if somebody's just half as good as me at the, at sales, so, well, what if I had 3 of them? Well, now they're doing 50% more than me. So now I have 150% of the output. I can't compete with that. Well, what if you put 10 people in place and you have a sales team of 10 right now? It's not even, it's exponentially better, even though they might be half as good as me. The growth that the company can have is so far greater than what I could do on my own. And that is the leverage that I try to instill in those businesses that we work with. How can we create the leverage?

Yeah, that's smart. And it's very insightful that you mentioned sales because that's one of the more difficult ones. I've had trouble giving up myself in terms of trying to get somebody to replicate to the degree in which I know and understand the customer. But your point is well taken and I receive it because it's, I think it's speaking to me in some ways.

Yeah. Well, I mean, I, it's, It works in almost every single area. So, you know, on our side—

Yeah. Why not?

In Level 9 Virtual, we have recruiting, right? Well, I can recruit and I'm really good at recruiting. The problem is I can only do that and then I can only do this and I can only do that to a certain degree. Well, if I put 2 people in that HR position, they get to recruit and manage. Now we have less fallout, we have better retention. They have more recruits coming in, which gives sales more opportunity to sell more. And like, so The ecosystem just continues to just foster and grow as soon as I get out of the way and I employ people to do it.

The difficulty in giving up is the trust and verify stage, isn't it? Like, I need to trust but verify at the same time. I have to step away and allow certain things to occur, which may feel like I'm taking 2 steps back, but to your point, it gotta take one large leap forward when you do it correctly. Yeah, it's tough. I'll tell you what, of all the things I've had to try to let go in the last 17 years, giving up that seat is a very difficult one to do as the leader of the ship. Because at the same time, I think many people also enjoy it to some degree. Like, I enjoy talking to people. I enjoy the outreach. I enjoy the conversations for the most part. Every once in a while, there's not, uh, there's broke mindsets and broke wallets. Very different things.

Sure.

My experience. Yeah.

A lot of times broke mindsets will lead to broke wallets though too.

Well, or there's just people who have a lot of money whose mindsets became broke because of all the money they have, I guess. Yeah. And there's, so there's 2 different streets to that. Being in the middle somewhere is probably the best.

Possibly.

Yeah.

What do you say about all that?

Well, I mean, I think the mindset that you have is going to create the outcome that you get. And so if you were to imagine anybody who's created any sort of success, like they're at some point, aside from just like sheer dumb luck, they've figured some things out and they've created some mental toughness that most other people don't have. And it's like the old saying, which is if you want what other people don't have, then you have to do the things they're not willing to do. And I think that comes mentally first before the action. And It's entrepreneurship in general is unbelievably taxing on your mind. And then I—

Let me hold on that point for just a second. Yeah. Because you are right. Not that I want to hear your next thought, but that's very astute and very, there's a lot of wisdom into what you just said. And I want to bring this out and make sure it's very clear. Going from that corporate mindset you might be in, or even in that entrepreneurial stage, you're still attempting to get through in some stage of your business, that thing right there. Is the one that keeps most people up at night.

And it keeps them up at night. Like that's, and so that, that's a common saying, but it's also a reality. Like people, entrepreneurs literally don't sleep. No, they literally, they can't shut off. They are so broken mentally because they can't actually shut the business off and walk away. And that was one thing when I had kids and they were very young and it was, why am I holding my baby? Like literally when they were a baby and in my other hand holding my phone.

What do you want that to represent to your children, right? It's hard, dude. It's so hard to shut that off. I remember that stage, and it's coming back to me more as we have this conversation. I moved past that into the business owner who has multiple streams of business and consider myself more of an owner now than an entrepreneur. That entrepreneur stage, I now jokingly call that like gray area of commingled nonsense that just kind of flies all over the place and feels stressful as you're throwing things against the wall or trying to establish some position dominance, offer continuity of your business.

Yeah.

Until you land on it. And that's when I think you actually graduate to a business owner. Would you agree with that? And that's that state of mind that keeps you up when you're trying to figure out how to make things work.

Well, and one of the things that does that very successfully is when you develop processes and employ people to actually execute areas of the business. And now that HR concern that you had, or that client success concern you had, no longer exists because there's a human or a system that is available to manage and make sure that is taken care of. When you are an entrepreneur, a business owner, a self-employed person, and things are still small and early, you are this client success person. You are managing HR or finance, trying to figure out where your next, how you're gonna pay the next set of bills. So I think the actual setting up effective systems and processes takes a ton of that off of your plate and allows you to sleep a little bit better at night.

Yeah. Yeah, it does. And it's one of the things that I noticed I transitioned through as I had to forcibly remove myself from certain conditions in the business because of life. You mentioned a young child. I had 4 and 4 and a half years. So all of a sudden it's like all the sleep you could get, all hands on deck.

Yeah.

That many kids that fast. There's no more one-on-one defense. Like we're playing zone defense, right? Yeah. In our house constantly and trying to juggle business, right?

Right.

And then getting so tired, I didn't worry about sleep because I'd just pass out and like the stress wouldn't keep me up. I was just exhausted. So Maybe if you're feeling that and you have so much time to yourself and not enough to focus on other people, maybe get some other people in your life, have some kids or something, and then you'll sleep really well. Yeah. You'll actually sleep and all the worries will kind of go away. And I know that sounds the opposite to some people because the joke is, man, have you really even entrepreneur, bro? If you haven't put your payroll on a credit card, have you really even worked at all?

We don't need to go back to those days.

Those were—

Those days have all been there though, haven't they?

I mean, I think a lot of, I think there's plenty that have. Yeah. I mean, I don't know that everybody, maybe some people are smarter than I was and never got themselves into that.

Yeah.

But yeah, I mean, it's, I think the pain of entrepreneurship is unlike anything else.

I think—

Well, if it was easy, again, everybody would do it. We can borrow these sayings because they sound cliché. However, they're true. That's why they were said. And they may have been overused to some degree. Like for me, the side hustle and grind gear crap, that all burns on me. Because I have a dad and kids and family and homestead and all the things I need to take on. The last thing I want is hustle and grind mentality. Get up at 4 AM and go, bro. It's like, no, my, my, that's my best sleeping. That's when I actually go into REM sleep between 3 and 6 in the morning. I know that about myself. There's no getting up at 4 AM. That completely wrecks my sleep habits.

Yep.

And not everybody can do that, right? You gotta find your zone. You gotta find where you're— I find up till 2 and 3 o'clock in the morning, I can stay up. And be late, but then get up at 7 o'clock the next morning and go because I'm in my zone. That's where I work. So I don't need the same level of sleep and time that most people do because I figured out when my sleep cycle is. I know it sounds dumb, but it's relatable to this concept. Well, it's true. Yeah.

Self-awareness.

Yeah.

It's a level of self-awareness with your physical body and what you need and how to take care of yourself and all that.

Yeah.

But yeah, you got fences to take care of. There's animals to move. There's gardens to do things. There's, I went out to just try to mow my lawn the other day and instead spent an hour and a half fixing the lawnmower because we just, every 100 hours, Or so something breaks and it's a very big machine because I've got acres to do things on. And so now I spent an hour and a half trying to put it back together correctly so that I could actually get to the 4-hour lawn mowing job, which, right. And took, you know, I had to do, and then 2 hours the next day to finish it. Um, but see, you get, that's also my nothing box. And so you talk about coping and sleeping and the entrepreneurial thing. One of the things that I didn't do well that I do much better now, and it sounds like you do too, is learn to put things in boxes. Um, maybe a man thing. I've heard it joked about. Um, and when we have these different boxes on a shelf, that you put things into. Like family goes on one box and wife goes over here and life goes there and hobbies go here and sleep goes there. And then there's the favorite one of mine, the nothing box.

Okay.

Do you have a nothing box on yourself?

Well, what do you mean by a nothing box?

What does that mean?

So my nothing box is wherever I find a hobby or activity that doesn't take a lot of mental power, but might take time to do, like riding a lawnmower for 4 hours. Right. And everything goes in the nothing box.

Yeah.

If there's 4 hours of quiet time, because the thing is loud, so I put earmuffs on and I put my canceling And I'll listen to some music or whatever and it just goes into the nothing box.

Yeah.

Yeah. Nothing time.

That's a good one. I had never heard of that, but that's, I mean, that's it. You put those headphones on and you're doing your lawn mowing, doing your weight meeting.

Just in the nothing box.

Yeah.

And everything goes in there. All the thoughts, all the ideas. If I have one, I'll stop, write it down in my phone, just keep going. And it's like all that kind of comes into that processing time. Right. It's a coping mechanism that I've learned to address other things and stressors.

That's an interesting thought, it being a coping mechanism. And I think you would hope that it, that the habit that somebody gets into to cope with the stresses and the pain of entrepreneurship, that it goes into something positive, like maybe mowing a lawn rather than going into something self-destructive like alcoholism or things like that.

Typically it's something productive or investing in some activity or some other person, and usually it's getting better on yourself. So the biggest thing I finally got for me, and it sounds like you're relatable to this, is that when I moved from entrepreneurialism into business, I gave more to other people.

Yeah.

And stop trying to take more from myself. Does that sound about right?

Yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah.

I think, I think as people make that transition, sometimes it's hard because they'll take 2 steps back because they'll just go back to doing shit.

They'll just do things. That's right.

And instead of understanding that they can employ somebody else to do it, or they can step away and nothing— like, I always like to tell people that one of the hardest things in business is letting go and realizing that the problem you think is urgent It's gonna be there tomorrow. And so there is no reason that you have to stay up till 2:00 AM trying to figure it out. Guess what? At 7:00 AM or 9:00 AM or whatever time you get going in the morning, that problem's still gonna exist and it is gonna probably be the same problem that it was when you went to sleep. And so there is no reason for you to completely disrupt your life for a challenge that you can solve in the morning.

Well, and it's that idea again that it's what's in it for me that keeps you up at night because it's my problem, my concern, My money, my need, my business, my. And when I get laid off—

I think people get hooked on the ego of solving the problem though. A lot of times business owners and people who are entrepreneurs, like they like to solve problems. They like, they, okay, show, gimme an equation. Let me, gimme a problem that I can go create a solution for. And what'll be interesting is you can watch people actually sabotage their own business to create problems because all they do is solve shit.

And it's like, activity masks productivity is what—

yeah.

No, I'm just looking busy. I'm doing busy. I'm so busy. I can't do that. Whatever. And it's like, but what are you producing? What activity?

Well, producing. Yeah. So problem solving isn't necessarily a production, right? That's not actually producing more. That's not revenue generating. You might call it revenue saving, but I'll bet you somebody else could save it. Yeah.

But saving, there's a totally different mindset. One is of scarcity and one's of abundance.

Correct.

Let's call it what it actually is. Right.

What do they say?

You're— scarcity masks activity producing or quote unquote producing whatever you think someone wants or actually see from you, which really isn't anything. And actually you're operating in scarcity. Abundance is giving more into others and letting them be empowered to do what they do very well. And you step away and say, it's okay that I don't, I'm not good at that. I'm going to sleep.

Correct.

I'm going to go rest. I'm going to get what I need. I'm going to be here for my family and purpose. I think the thing I constantly push on, and I know people joke about the purpose-driven life and the purpose-driven this, and I think they get too far into that whole, again, side hustle motivation mentality, hustle grind crap. I'm right here in the middle. I'm saying we'll allow profit, it will allow other things to occur. But for me, if family and faith and focus and friends and the other Fs are not in that, then the rest of it doesn't matter. Otherwise, what am I gaining it for?

Yeah, I agree.

What am I gaining it for? And I, and, and, and you will, as a, I think as a father and a husband, appreciate the idea that when it gets down to time, because that was one of the biggest things you answered a minute ago, It was time relativeness. And when you talk about that time and priority, if we aren't sleeping, if we are focused on the wrong things, if we're not actually doing something that produces any good, we should stop it.

Literally.

I agree. There's a couple guys out talking now about how much time we actually have on this earth. And I think, I think Hormozi says it and uses this analogy that after you die, people will mourn For a period of time, then you'll be a memory. Then by one generation away, you, people won't even know who you were.

You'll be a story. We barely get that out of our education system, don't we? Right.

And it's like, but it's interesting to think about when we put so much pressure on ourselves and we think that the things that we're doing today are so damn important, but really, and actually this is an interesting thing. So Tucker Max, who wrote, I hope they serve beer in hell. Phenomenal guy. I've met him a few times. He's just a really good human being.

He's, you know, he's just on Tucker Carlson, right?

He was just on Tucker Carlson. And probably, I think the greatest thing that he has ever said that I've ever heard him say was at some point, all of your pursuit and all of your grind and all of your hustle and all of that eventually gets to a point where you then start stealing from your children, meaning you steal your father away from your children, their father away from them. All in the pursuit of what?

Gain.

And that's an interesting place to be, right?

Very.

So it just really aligned with the reason that I actually build businesses. It's to give me the freedom to be with my kids.

Yeah. And empower other people because at the end of the day, without them, you wouldn't do it. How many people do you actually employ now? How many people are within your framework?

I think we almost have 900. So, and then our internal team is 26 or 27 now. So, but there's a lot of people who get a payroll check from Level 9 Virtual.

So it's pretty, yeah, it's an impressive accomplishment. And man, it's, you have an amazing insight.

Yeah.

And I think Tucker's right as a, as a family man. I know he is a one-degree separation from a good friend of mine who lives not far from them. They created that little community down there in Austin that they all kind of bought properties down along. Yep. And he's been working like us to build up infrastructure and we've been out here for almost, what, 10 years now? Okay. Building up and homesteading and very closely now we're going to be fencing up for sheep and goats and we're kind of building our own section here. And he's got, I think, 5 kids. We've got 4. How many kids do you have?

We have 2.

2.

Yeah. 2 daughters.

Come on, dude. Do you even kid? Seriously?

We're good.

Come on, man. We're good. 2 daughters. That's, I got 4.

Come on, bro.

That's perfect. Level up, man.

Come on.

It was perfect. Amateur numbers.

Amateur numbers. Yeah. Amateur numbers.

Yeah. I've got a bunch of siblings, so with us, yeah, I have 3 sisters and 2 brothers, so I'm like, dude, we, we're, we're good with lots of siblings. I saw how they got lots of, okay. Okay.

Well, we're going to have lots of boys in my house at some point, but it's that idea again, the purpose of aspect with the family drives the rest of the intent. Therefore, where your heart goes, your time and energy and money will follow, right?

Sure.

Absolutely. And at the end of this, my intent is family. After this, when you and I shut off from here, I'm going to go change clothes and go work out with my wife. We're going to go spend the next hour walking down country roads and kicking rocks and talking and doing our walk for the day like we normally do. And when we're back, it's probably gardening and then checking on the pool and maybe going for a swim. Because that's the purpose of intent, I think, for my family. And somebody— it's the dumbest analogy, and you might relate to it, but I saw this meme the other day, and memes have a lot of truth in them, don't they? Like, you look at that, like, dang, that just hit me. Oh yeah, there's always some good ones, yeah. And it was a quote with a hearse, and it said, you never see a U-Haul behind a hearse. And it just struck me, and I'm like, dang, that is so much truth. Why is— you push— why do we really push for the worldly things with our children when in all actuality all they want is more time with us?

That's it. Yeah. That will never, when they're adults, they will never think back to the thing that they got. They'll think back to the experience they had with you.

And whether dad worked a lot and wasn't available. Yeah.

Really.

And I get it because I was that guy and I'm speaking from my own experience. Well, you know, 2007, I was going to be that guy. I was in the corporate grind. I was traveling and flying and moving around. And unless I broke out and literally just made a run for it, Which I did. Yeah. And it didn't work out great for the first 5 years, by the way. I was never gonna get it. I was never gonna change that. I had to make a radical change. And I think somebody listening today should hear that and listen and say, on behalf of Joe and myself, make a radical change.

Yeah, absolutely.

You'll never regret it. Your TOE, right? I think I got this out of today. Time on Earth. Yeah. What's your TOE, right?

Agreed.

And what does it matter? Joe, you got some good words today, brother. Is there something we didn't bring up, didn't talk about, didn't ask that you wanted to cover?

Uh, no, I mean, I, I want people to create an impact in their own lives first and let that impact other people as well. And I think that small businesses and people building companies have the opportunity to do that. And they start with just themselves and building their own dream. And then as they hopefully start employing other people, the impact continues to scale. We can see that what we do from outsourcing and the families that we impact, It's just so much more dramatic than I could have ever expected. And I think that piece of it is just so powerful and it makes me feel like we're at least doing the right thing when it comes to making a positive impact into our employees' lives, into our clients' lives and so forth.

Well, look, today has been a positive impact on my life, just experiencing some conversation and insights from you. So I'm very grateful for that.

Yeah.

Last question. If there was somebody, maybe Do you know Tucker Max personally? Yeah. Like you have, okay, perfect. I was gonna say, if there's someone else in my power, in my network, within my ability and time and space to get you in front of somebody you'd want to talk to, meet, have a conversation and sit down with, who would that person be?

Oh my gosh. I don't know. I don't know who's in your network, so we'll have to talk about what that is.

Well, if time and space, you can say anything. We're gonna, we're gonna tag them even if they're dead on this.

Actually, uh, Patrick Bet-David.

Okay.

I don't know, uh, if you are familiar with Patrick, but he's somebody that I would absolutely love to connect with. He has built amazing companies. He's created a really amazing ecosystem within Valuetainment and everything that they've got going on. And he's somebody I'd love to meet and I'd love to have a chance to chat with.

You just never know, dude. 6 degrees of separation in our network. It might happen. We'll tag him below if he's on social media and reach out and maybe somebody, guys, go to work in my network and see what kind of relationship we can make once you see this podcast come out. Let's see if we can get not the average Joe, the rare not average Joe in front of Patrick and make a connection for you, dude. I'd love to do that.

So it'd be awesome one way or another.

I appreciate you coming on. I'm honored to have you as a guest.

Yeah, absolutely. Thanks.

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