Nick HutchisonFounder and CEO, BookThinkers

Entrepreneurship is sport! With Jimmy Soni

16 Nov 2022 · 1 min

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In this conversation, Nick Hutchison explains how he views entrepreneurship through the lens of sport, treating founders and companies like athletes whose origins and personalities he wants to study. Jimmy Soni (Speaker B) expands the analogy by referencing the documentary The Last Dance, which chronicles the Chicago Bulls' Michael Jordan era, and likens the PayPal founding team to a basketball dynasty. He points out that, like the Bulls, PayPal had star players, coaches, and various personality types (e.g., Phil Jackson‑style leaders, Dennis Rodman‑style characters, Jerry Krause‑type executives). The core of the discussion centers on the high‑performance culture at PayPal, where the expectation was that everyone would bring their best work, mirroring the intense, no‑slackers environment described in the Bulls’ story. Both speakers emphasize that this cultural pressure and team dynamics were crucial in driving exceptional output and innovation.

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I sort of grew up at a time where I view entrepreneurship kind of like a sport, right? Like we look at these athletes and we want to learn where did they come from? What enabled them to be so successful? And I view entrepreneurship in the same light. Like I'm a big fan of certain sports and I'm a big fan of entrepreneurship. And I want to understand the personalities behind these major companies that have developed things that we take for granted today. A book like this allows me to go out there and exercise my creativity.
You know, the sports analogy, it's really another apt thing that you picked up on. I was watching a lot of The Last Dance while I was writing this book. With The Last Dance, this amazing documentary that profiles the Bulls when they kind of have the Michael Jordan era of the Bulls. But it's a lot of Michael Jordan. But you also see Phil Jackson and Steve Kerr and Dennis Rodman and Scottie Pippen and like the universe of people who are around them. And, you know, it's like all these people. So I had this view that like, actually, this PayPal team is very much the same because it's not— there are star players for sure, but there are— there's a team of stars and they're having to pass the ball. And like, there are Phil Jackson-style personalities and there are Dennis Rodman-style personalities and there are Jerry Krause-type personalities. The thing that this team did, I think, is they encouraged people to bring their like their best work out. Right. And there's a bunch of reasons why that happened. In The Last Dance, they talk about how, like, one of the things that Michael Jordan did is that you really, like, couldn't even show up at practice and phone it in if he was there because he would, like, call you out. Right. And maybe he did that and some of the coaching did that there. At PayPal, it was a part of the culture. Like, I had multiple people say to me, like, I've never worked harder. I've also never done better work because there was no room for slackers. Right. And what a powerful thing to live.