This is How to Repair a Toxic Work Culture-Nir&Far
11 Dec 2025 · 1 min
Leslie Perlow got BCG teams one guaranteed night off per week through regular discussions, which improved retention. Google's Project Aristotle found psychological safety matters most for team performance. Leaders can build it by framing work as learning, admitting mistakes, and asking questions.
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How to Repair a Toxic Work Culture By Nir Eyl Narrated by Johnny Heller When Harvard's Leslie Perlow began to study the Boston Consulting Group, she was well aware of the firm's around the clock reputation. After conducting interviews with BCG staff, Perlow found that this reputation was coming at a major cost. Employees were leaving the elite consulting firm in part because they lacked control over their schedules. To address the issue, Perlow offered a simple if everyone who worked at BCG hated the always on lifestyle, why not try to give consultants at least a single predictable night off a week? This would give people time away from phone calls and email notifications and allow them to make plans without the fear of being pulled back into work. Perlo ran the idea by George Martin, the managing partner of BCG's Boston office. He told her to keep her hands off his team. He gave her permission to wander around the office and look for another partner who might be willing. Perlow found a young partner named Doug who had two small children at home and a third on the way. Doug was struggling to balance his own work life and agreed to let his team serve as guinea pigs in Perlo's experiment. Starting with Doug and the people he managed, Perlow began to study how the team found a way to let everyone unplug from the job. First. Perlow confirmed that one night off per week was a universally desired goal for everyone on the team. After hearing a resounding yes, the team was left to figure out exactly how they would achieve that goal. The team met regularly to discuss roadblocks that were preventing them from achieving the one night off mission and came up with practices they'd need to incorporate to make it happen. For years, BCG consultants had heard countless reasons why they had to be accessible at all hours. We're in the service business, we work across time zones and what if a client needs us? Were common responses. However, once they had an opportunity to openly discuss the problem. Doug's team discovered there were many simple solutions. A common workplace dilemma, often dismissed as the way things had to be, could be addressed if people had a safe space to talk about the issue. The meetings yielded far greater benefits than Perlow had expected. Participants began to address topics well beyond how to disconnect for one night a week. Discussing predictable time off made it okay for people to speak openly, which, in Perlow's words, was a big deal. There was no taboo, one consultant said. You could talk about anything. The senior members of the team did not always agree, but it was okay to bring anything up. Managers also found a venue to explain their objectives, items that had previously been brushed aside when things got busy. And team members felt more empowered now that they had a clearer vision of how they work related to broader goals. Distraction is a sign of dysfunction. Embracing furlough's challenge helped the team reconsider why they couldn't disconnect from work. Rather than blaming technology for their problems, the teams reflected on the reasons behind its overuse. What began as a challenge to find a way to let members of one team disconnect one night per week profoundly changed the working culture at bcg. Today, teams throughout the firm, including George Martin's Boston office, conduct regular meetings to ensure everyone has time to disconnect. More importantly, these meetings create a safe space for dialogue about all sorts of issues, increasing employees sense of control and improving job satisfaction and staff retention. The secret to great workplace Culture Companies often confuse the disease of bad culture with symptoms like tech overuse and high employee turnover. Treating these symptoms often involves examining and addressing how teams work together. Google recently set out to understand the drivers of employee retention and and positive team outcomes. The search giant announced the results of a two year study to understand, once and for all the answer to the question, what makes a Google team effective? Heading into the study, the research team was fairly confident of what they would find that teams are most effective when they are composed of great people. As Julie Rosovsky, a researcher on the project, wrote, Take one Rhodes Scholar, two extroverts, one engineer who rocks at AngularJS, and a PhD. Voila. Dream Team assembled right? We were dead wrong. What did they actually discover? The individuals on a team matter less than how those team members interact, structure their work and view their contributions the antidote to a toxic work culture. The researchers found five key dynamics that set successful teams apart, including dependability, structure and clarity, meaning and impact. However, far and away the most important of the five dynamics, we found the underpinning of the other four was something called psychological safety, rozovsky continued. Individuals on teams with higher psychological safety are less likely to leave Google. They're more likely to harness the power of diverse ideas from their teammates, they bring in more revenue, and they're rated as effective twice as often by executives. The term psychological safety was coined by Amy Edmondson, an organizational behavioral scientist at Harvard. Edmondson defines psychological safety as a belief that one will not be punished or humiliated for speaking up with ideas, questions, concerns, or mistakes. Speaking up sounds easy, but if you don't feel psychological safety, you'll keep your concerns and ideas to yourself. Rosofsky turns out we're all reluctant to engage in behaviors that could negatively influence how others perceive our competence, awareness, and positivity. Although this kind of self protection is a natural strategy in the workplace, it is detrimental to effective teamwork. On the flip side, the safer team members feel with one another, the more likely they are to admit mistakes, to partner, and to take on new roles. Psychological safety is the antidote to unhealthy work environments and a toxic work culture. It's also the magic ingredient BCG discovered when they began regular meetings to give employees predictable time off. How does a team or company create psychological safety? Edmondson provides a three step answer in her TEDx talk. Step one frame the work as a learning problem, not an execution problem. Because the future is uncertain, emphasize that we've got to have everyone's brains and voices in the game, says Edmondson. STEP 2 Acknowledge your own failability. Managers need to let people know that no one has all the answers, that we're in this together. Step 3 Finally, Edmondson suggests that leaders must model curiosity and ask lots of questions. Edmondson insists that organizations, particularly those operating in conditions of high uncertainty and interdependence among team members, need to keep motivation levels and psychological safety in good working order, a state she calls the learning zone. When teams are in the learning zone, they perform at their best and air concerns without fear of being attacked or fired. They can solve problems like tech, overuse and distraction without being judged as unwilling to carry their share.
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