Dr. Pete Davis: The Man of Many Hats

What's your favorite part about working with students at smu?

Winning, I should say. Winning. Yeah, winning. No, it's not, I think.

Hi, everybody, and welcome to the podcast. This is Generations md. My name is Stephanie, and I'm joined here by my colleague, Dr. Sarah Davis, who's also my mother. And today we have a very special guest. I know he looks similar to a guest that we've had in the past, but this is my uncle, Dr. Pete Davis. Welcome to the podcast.

Thank you for having me. You guys must be really scratching for guests if I'm on the show here today.

Well, this is another Dr. Davis we have in our family. Well, tell the listeners a little bit about yourself and what specialties you're in. Yeah. What's your. What's your resume?

Well, I. Again, thank you for having me on your podcast. I will tell you kind of what I do currently is wear a couple different hats, several positions. So one is at smu. On the campus of smu, I am the medical director of medical services at Campus Health, the Dr. Bob Smith Health Center. And in addition to that, I work with the athletic department, where I am the NCAA designated head team physician for the university and its athletic teams. In addition to that, I am an internist and work in your dad's. With your dad and in our hospitalist group. So I'm primarily at North Central Surgical center, where I do hospitalist work, perioperative medicine. I'm the medical director for that particular practice as well as our night call group. And that is kind of what I do currently.

Nice. Not only looks similar to my dad, but also very similar career.

It does a lot of things.

Does a lot of things. He wears a lot of hats. I always like to ask all of our guests. This going way back when was the first time that you thought about being a doctor.

Wow. Yeah. So I, you know, I get. I think about that because Elena, my wife, asked that from time to time, or other people ask that question, I have no earthly idea. I would. I would say probably sometime when I'm thinking about going to college, about where that was going to lead me and what I was going to do. So, you know, probably sometime in high school. But, you know, you guys, I don't know what answer you would give for that, but I don't know if there was a aha moment or switch or something like that that got flipped.

I think sometimes people just sort of make something up for that, you know, they kind of got some story or something. But I like your honesty.

No. Yeah. I think People like to say, oh, this. I broke my leg and then I went here and. And I just really wanted to help people.

And it's like, that would be a good answer if you're applying to medical school.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're way past that.

Yeah. Right. So I think, you know, if you could come up with some narrative like that that would sound like a great story that might impress the people who are looking. I don't know if it impressed people, but it, it might resonate with them. But I, you know, I can't say that was the situation with me.

Yeah, it's a stable job, makes good money. It's interesting. Right.

You know, I, there's something to be said for that. I, you know, could you, you know, you're not looking for. I knew, so I knew I didn't like sales stuff. Okay. That was not, not so appealing. Your grandfather did that, did that for a long time. And that seemed like there are a lot of ups and downs with that kind of stuff. Following it peripherally as a kid and having gone like door to door doing, you know, like Boy Scout stuff and other things, I was just as like a real. Like, that didn't make me feel great. I didn't get the high of making a sale or anything like that. And so, you know, I don't know if medicine sound. Maybe I didn't have to think about that as much if you knew that you're going to have a steady job working in the medical field, whatever that was, so.

Well, yeah. And y' all moved around a little quite a bit when you were younger. Younger, right.

Yeah, I mean, I. I suppose maybe more so than people do now, I guess. I don't know. People move around. I mean, I suppose that was just part of it. And we were in Illinois, which I don't remember the first part. El. Chicago, don't remember at all. But then in Northern California. Do you remember that? And then in central Illinois. I definitely remember that. And then we moved to Kansas City. And so, yeah, so there's a little bit of moving around. I mean, way before I ended up, you know, in junior high and high school and all that stuff. So I think it's probably easier when you're little like that.

Yeah. So then going to college and did you. So you knew when you went in that you're like, okay, I'm gonna go down this pre med path. And then you just kept following the steps.

Yeah, I mean, you know, I, I for sure knew that. I liked the science stuff. That was something I liked what was.

Your major in college?

Biology.

Okay.

Yeah. And that stuff I liked a lot. I mean, some other stuff was fun too. It was fun. So, yes, to answer your question, yes. Kind of you got to start out somewhere and kind of just kept grinding away at that point. Maybe started to kind of develop the kind of scratched out, grinded out mentality that I think a lot of people in medical school kind of have. You got to have a little bit of grit. I did see a podcast on grit not too long ago and I thought that was interesting. So. So I thought, you know, you got to develop a little bit of grit. And I thought kind of developed it around then or maybe was thinking about it and we just got to keep grinding away. So. But that was. I liked that. And I liked some other things in college too. Some other history stuff and other classes I was involved with which were interesting. But I knew they were going to take me anywhere.

Yeah.

And I think it was also, it seemed like the professors, especially in junior and senior when they knew I was a. A biology major in pre med and I was sitting in a History of the west class and the professor knew I was just there because I thought it was interesting or he thought that was neat, but knew that that was not going to be me. So that everybody got a kick out of that. But I found those things interesting. But career wise, I didn't think that was going to take me anywhere.

So I got a question. Did you and Matt take all the same classes, like at the same times?

No, we did not. I mean, you got to, you know, so some of it, some of it was because. Because at a school like smu, at least then, you know, their science was there, but, you know, very liberal arts school tilted a little bit more towards the business side of things. And so, you know, the chem 2 or whatever, there weren't a lot of times you could take it, you know, if you're marching through the. And so I was in a lot of same classes as other people doing the same thing. You know, we didn't. There was, I could tell you, you know, the, you know, Jill Henley and all these other people who are doing stuff at the same time. We were all in the same classes together.

You're in that cohort.

Yeah, yeah. So. But then when it came to electives, we would do different things. You know, I remember taking some advertising stuff just because I thought it was fun. And I don't know if Matt was in that classroom. My brother was in the classroom. I don't think he was. But yeah, so.

So you're marching along and then you go to medical school. Let's talk about how you got involved in kind of the primary care, sports medicine side of things. What piqued your interest there?

You know, as you kind of go through medical school, as you're going through medical school, you'll see clinically there are things that. And some maybe do with personalities. Things that I thought, you know, you know, this. This sounded really appealing and I guess, you know, things that didn't sound so appealing. So you can kind of eliminate kind of the both ends and there's things down the middle. You know, I thought a little bit about the surgery stuff. Just never was appealing to me for a variety of reasons, maybe in the personalities of people that. The instructors that were there at ku. I just did not like the downtime. That seemed horribly inefficient. That was the surgery. Then sit around and wait. Hurry up and wait. That drove me bananas.

Gotta get going. Gotta get going.

Well, yeah, I mean, I just. It just seemed like a horrible waste of time to me. Case schedule for whatever time you surround, twiddle your thumbs. And some people seem perfectly happy with it. It's kind of shooting the breeze and hanging out and, you know, that kind of personalities. That's what drums. So anyway, I. I thought that, you know, sports surgery was not kind of, to me, but I, you know, somewhere along the line and. And Matt may have had something to do with this too, is, you know, I think this concept of primary care sports medicine, which was really very new then, was, you know, kind of somehow out there. And I. And within the family medicine residency program at KU, there were a few doctors. Dr. Dave Smith, one of them, who is still in Kansas, I believe is still in Kansas, whether he knows it or not, kind of had done some of that stuff. And I thought, well, this sounds kind of cool. You know, I could do sports medicine. I really, you know, like sports. I don't have to operate and twiddle my thumbs all day waiting to do another surgery. Um, so I think at somewhere in third year of medical school, kind of that kind of light bulb went off the exact moment. I don't know when. But, you know, I've realized that, hey, this is out there and this is something that. That, you know, I could potentially pursue.

Yeah, I think that it, like both you and my dad have set up a career in a way that you're not sitting and twiddling your thumbs a lot. So. But I think that that's interesting and I'm glad that I've got to experience like what you guys do, which is like as we said at the beginning of the podcast, you wear a lot of different hats and you're doing a lot of different stuff and you're driving over to SMU and doing clinic there and then you're going to the hospital. And it's I feel like a unique way to set up like being a doctor versus what people think about when, you know, being a doctor. Like, you know, what my mom does, kind of going in and being in clinical day or going and being a surgeon. Did you have any mentors through your training years that you saw that or is this something that kind of just developed as you kind of developed your career?

Well, with doing the different hats things. That's something that I, you know, I can't say anybody I knew did all the different things that I do or your dad does. You know, it. I will say that and know, thankfully you've got to experience this a little bit. Is as you, you know, people going through or deciding on a career path, you know, it's difficult to see how a career in medicine could be anything but this or this or this, you know, and maybe for the first year or two it is, you know, it's because you're trying to get your feet wet, you're trying to, you know, you're working in a, for a hospital or system or something like that. But as you kind of get deeper into it, you say, you know, I, I don't like this, but I could do this part or I could do this part or add this or add this. So I don't. There wasn't really anybody who does did the same thing that I was doing and I saw, okay, aha. You know, if I could do these different things because that's not what I started out doing for sure. I started out within kind of a com. It was a combination role within SMU and then Methodist Hospitals of Dallas as kind of a faculty and primary care provider. But that kind of morphed into something.

Else after training and after. So you're board certified in internal medicine and then sports medicine. So after training, what did your career look like on the internal side of things?

Well, so, you know, I'll back it up a little bit. So I will say that it was a little odd or a little difficult to find a fellowship program that would take an internist because it's mostly family, correct? Yes. Nowadays there's know more opportunity to do through internal medicine or family medicine. Pmnr, emergency medicine, still are all still the mainstays, pediatrics as well. Sorry about that. Yeah, mostly is because the. A component of the family of the sports medicine training is a primary care clinic requirement. And so to how to fit an internist in that. It was kind of difficult. Some people couldn't get their head wrapped around it. Other people didn't want to bother with it. So at any rate, when I finished my fellowship, there was an opportunity at the time because there was a physician that was leaving at SMU who was part time. The program at Methodist needed some additional faculty help. And so Methodist Hospitals of Dallas and SMU came together to get a contracted position. And there was a shared salary. And so I would spend part of my time teaching in the primary in the family medicine program and sports medicine program. So I'd spend like a week every six weeks on the ward with the residents where I'd be the attending. And that would be my kind of internal medicine kick, you know, tick ticking that box. And then I would spend my other part of the week at smu or I'd go to the high school training rooms with the fellows and a couple different things. So it was still kind of rotating around a couple different places. So that was kind of my early job coming out of fellowship is that this position was created and it just kind of fell into place. The timing was right. SME needed somebody, Methodists needed somebody. And so that that role just kind of came together. And I think probably behind the scenes, the fellowship director and the family, and the family practice director. Really, a lot of it made it happen. Dr. Luis Palacios, Dr. David Ross, the two of them probably, you know, saw that and thankfully saw something in me and were able to kind of piece that together.

So if you knew that you wanted to do this kind of sports med thing, why did you decide to go to internal medicine for residency?

I like the inpatient side of things. I thought that was challenging. That seemed to kind of, I don't know, tick more boxes than some of the other stuff. Pediatrics or family medicine? Pediatrics, I know for sure was depressing, you know, and of course not all pediatrics like that, but. But in a way it turned me away to pediatrics and the other specialties, you know, I thought were interesting too. But internal medicine just seemed kind of a better fit. The piecing of the puzzles, the hospital stuff, you know, was challenging enough or seemed challenging. And I thought, you know, this is. This would be a good fit for me. And I think some of it too is the people I'm working with. Right. So the, the residents I spent time with as a medical student, more engaging. They seem like me or could be me.

I think that's all that just goes to show about the mentors and your experience. The people are kind of more important in your journey than the actual specialty in so many ways. And just that perspective that you have as a medical student. So you kind of connect with those residents on internal medicine. They don't connect with the people in surgery so much. And then, and talking about pediatrics, you know that when you rotate as a medical student, you're on the inpatient ward of pediatrics, you're seeing these super sick kids at a tertiary care center, which is really like if you're a general pediatrician, that's not, you know, your patient population. But again, just kind of goes to show how skewed it is as a medical student, the slice that you see.

So anyway, yeah, I agree it could be a bit more, I mean, you know, unless you kind of during your electives you go outside and do a few extra things. You know, if you really kind of, I'm not really sure about that. Then you know, opportunities to do some extra work is probably makes a little bit more sense if you're trying to decide on what your next path is going to be.

Yeah.

And I think, suppose you could do two residencies, right?

No. Yeah. I mean, but it is hard to see what your career in life is going to look like like at early stages in your training or even later stages in your training. Like did you anticipate on kind of building this company with my dad in this hospitalist group and.

No, that wasn't. No, that wasn't. I think, you know, I'll, I think your dad probably had more vision for that stuff than I did. Or you know, just so we are wired up a little bit differently in that way. I think, you know, on the business side of things, you know, I, I would, you know, I would say I probably had some shorter term goals and being part of the SMU sports medicine program was, you know, a fantastic thrill. I'm still, still really enjoy doing it. Just total thrill to be part of that as, as my alma mater and, and be part of that. Things have certainly changed in the last year or two in terms of how the dynamic of that. But I did not think about kind of the business side of things and building up the business and you know, you know how that was going to work. And certainly to the extent that SMU has helped with that, you know, building relationships with the surgeons who work with who work with those athletes. Being that group for 20 years has certainly helped grow our business in a way that I'd never really expected.

Yeah, well, I just think that it's important for our listeners to hear that your life as a doctor doesn't have to be going to clinic or going to surgery. And I like the idea of wearing a lot of different hats. And as I'm thinking about what my career is going to look like in the future, I do, because I have parts of my dad where it's like I want to be busy all the time and I want to do a bunch of little things and stuff, and I don't want to just, you know, be still a lot of the time. So I'm glad I, I had that experience because I'm kind of realizing that you, they always say that, like, you know, medicine's everything. It's going to be your whole life and your whole everything. But that doesn't mean that it has to be the same thing every day, all the time.

Yeah, I, I would agree with that. You know, I was going to say when I get kind of tired of taking care of 20 plus year olds with issues that are probably resolved themselves, you know, you can kind of take, take care of really sick people. And when that gets kind of depressing. Although I don't do as much anymore with working in the ICU and whatnot, but still do enough, you know, or see it enough too, when I'm in the hospitals, you know, that stuff gets a little, you get a little low on that kind of stuff and you can always bounce back. For me, it's been good to be able to do both things.

So just talking more about smu, you mentioned how things have kind of changed in the past couple years. Can you talk about that a little bit and how like, your role has changed?

Well, you know, I don't think the medicine has changed so much. I think that's kind of the same. I think the things that have changed within sports medicine have been, you know, the money dynamic and how, you know, really students. I remember a long time ago when I was in my fellowship, Dr. Burt Franks was the doing was my role over at tcu. And we spent some time with him. And sometimes he would ask kids who were coming in or transfers, he'd say, listen, hey, are you here to go to school? You here to play football? Or whatever the question was. And I thought that was a little weird at the time. You know, I didn't, didn't really know what he was talking about, but certainly Now, I do know what, what, what that meant, what that means now. And so I think. And that doesn't apply to everybody, but, you know, a lot of the sports or money is made nowadays in college athletics. That's changed a little bit. So it's a little bit more of the professional model, I think. You know, I think we're aware of that with the athletes, the students that come through the office. Whatever medical problems are, it doesn't necessarily change how we're going to treat them. But, you know, you always wonder if somebody's whispering in their ear about, you know, you should try this or this or do something else. I think I was speaking with Mike Morton, who is in charge of the Sports medicine department, smu, and I think we both agree that thankfully we are in a situation, at least in Dallas, where we don't have a lot of people looking over our shoulders. Our collaboration with the Carol Clinic doctors in terms of the sports medicine care that we provide gives all the sports medicine department a little bit more credibility. That group's been around 100 years. They take care of the professional teams here in town. And so I think that's been good. And certainly, you know, the, the. But it still doesn't mean that things are a little bit different now than they were even, you know, five years ago with how people look at things. And, and the, the athletes may have a little bit more critical eye on what kind of care they're getting because it may influence, you know, their wallet.

Yes. Yeah. Do you feel like there is more pressure now? Because some of these athletes, like, I mean, it essentially is professional sport sports, and they're making money based on their playing. And if you tell them that they can't play, then that's a tough situation.

Yeah, I think it's. I think, you know, at the end of the day, you have to kind of look at yourself in the mirror and say, hey, listen, what's, you know, what's the best thing here? I think with the change, there's also been a bit of an understanding, and this is how medicine has evolved a little bit into. And that some of the older generation really doesn't like this at all. But this, you know, kind of concept of shared decision making with, hey, you know, here's what the risks are. I'm definitely not going to suggest you do this. You know, there may be a situation where, listen, the risks are just, we're not going to do this at all. But there may be situations where you say, hey, listen, you could do this, but it's Maybe not the best idea. Debt science, maybe not. Back it up. You want to try it? You can try it. Probably not going to kill you, but it certainly may not help. It may make things worse. These are kind of the decisions that we make, you know, for whatever the condition is. So I think that's. That's helped a little bit. So I think there is, from a. From a provider standpoint, I think there's more of. Of an awareness of liability and if something goes wrong, you know, what could happen, you know, with some of these student athletes with. Have a lot of people talking to them. These are younger people, and frankly, some people are there because, you know, they're getting money and their family has moved in with them. I know a couple cases where that's the case. Their family has relocated to Dallas. They're living together because that student athlete is now the moneymaker for the family. And so there's pressure there for sure. So. But again, as I said, I think, you know, you really need to, as a provider, and I do. I approach it this way as, look, you know, I understand where we're at, but, you know, you got to be an advocate for somebody's health, even if it's an answer that they don't want to hear.

Yeah. How do you deal with that? Like, I'm just thinking in regards to students who are playing sports versus just a person that you're seeing in clinic, a random person, an adult. How do you handle that Shared decision making? Cause it is so different. Versus, I'm going to tell this adult, hey, you have this injury, you need to stop playing tennis for a couple of weeks. If you keep playing tennis, then you're going to make it worse and they can go on and still play tennis and do whatever they want. How do you handle that conversation with a student that comes in, says, hey, who is a tennis player on the SMU tennis team, and kind of handle those conversations?

Well, I think you kind of answered your question, your own question. But, you know, it's. I, you know, the NCAA says there's, you know, there is autonomous medical decision making and medical authority by the medical provider. So if medical provider says you're not allowed to play, then that's end of story. At our institution, smu, I think we've been good about it. Everybody's been pretty supportive of that. Other places I know have gotten a lot of pushback about those kinds of decisions. Thankfully, we haven't made a ton of them. But I think when you get to that point, you can't. I don't think you can expect somebody to walk in the office and say, hey, here's exactly what's going to happen. I think, you know, you gotta take baby steps and approach it and get people's minds wrapped around it. In a couple visits and discussions over time, hey, here's what I think's gonna happen. And then I, you know, most of the time, I think people kind of will absorb that and kind of rationalize things and get to a point where they can get their heads wrapped around it. But in terms of how you approach those things in a different way, I mean, if there is some wiggle room and, you know, and it's safe. And again, kind of back to this, we interviewed it. We were interviewing a dietitian the other, and for our director of our, actually second in command of nutrition, and she had given a presentation and one of the questions that came up was said, you know, how do you approach coaches who have, you know, some ideas or concepts about what people should do from a nutrition standpoint, which aren't very scientifically based? She gave a great answer. She said, you know, I really kind of do a risk assessment about the situation. You know, if it's not going to kill somebody, then. And this is maybe not the best way to do it, but if it's not going to kill somebody and it's, you know, at the end of the day, people are going to really do no harm. I think we just let it go and let it. Let it ride at that. I think, you know, if it's a situation where somebody, it could really impair people long term, then you have that conversation. If it's something that is going to be, you know, life threatening, then I think you really need to have that conversation. We probably would say no to something like that. Some people you have to protect. Sometimes you have to protect people from themselves.

Yeah, yeah.

I just, I think that's all interesting. I really feel like that conversation really would have been different 20 years ago, you know, and I think that.

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Long time ago it was like, you know, the doctor said, this is the way it is. And because I said so, and this is what you got to do. And, you know, but in my practice as well, I've kind of evolved to say, all right, let's just, let's talk through this. What are the risks? What are the benefits? Let me explain it all to you. And then you can kind of make an informed decision about what it is that you want to do, rather than just saying like, okay, here's the plan. So anyway, I just think that's, it's just interesting how that has really evolved over the last several decades.

Yeah, I think it's better for patients to feel like they're participating or at least not feel to allow them to participate in those decisions. You know, it's, it would be, you know, it's easier from anybody's standpoint. You know, hey, you're going to bed at nine o'.

Clock.

Go to bed at nine. Well, well, I've got a few things I want to read about. I don't care. You're going to bed at night. Well, the reading would be good for me. Well, I don't care you're going to bed at night. So, you know, so to have some shared decision making at any point in life is probably not a bad thing. Although, you know, you know, at some point we have to understand as, as healthcare providers, you know, we may know, you know, we have to accept our limitations, but we do also have to understand where our expertise is. And you're not doing this just for the fun of it. You're gaining specificity so you can counsel patients on them. If people want to take your advice in the situation of the recreational tennis player, I think that's fine. But also, I think, you know, there has to be. You also have to understand the institutional liability, too, when you're practicing within a large group, whether it's a team setting, particularly the professional or certainly the college level. That, that, you know, there's, you know, that has. That's also in the back of your mind as well.

Yeah.

I just want to point out that the recreational tennis players, the moms at the country club, are probably every bit as serious as those NCAA tennis players.

He's a mean pickleball. Going on. Yeah.

What is your, what's your favorite part about working with students at smu?

I see him grow up. That's, that's the funnest thing. Winning, I should say.

Winning, yeah.

Winning. No, it's.

I think team doc gets a ring. So.

Yeah, I've got some rings and trophies and have you seen some of your dad's bull rings and whatever?

Oh, yeah, he just wears them all the time.

Yeah, those things are fun. So I've got a few things from some of the other teams too that have been fun to have. But, you know, I think that, and this is one of the things I like, liked. I still do to a certain extent, the things that turned me away a little bit from the pro stuff. And I know your dad's done some pro stuff and still does. I do a lot less of that. I help out. But you know, the, the ideal is, you know, is, is that you're having a young person who's kind of away from mom and dad as opposed to high school stuff where they're really involved in some of the decisions and, and want to know everything. And then as the pro stuff where there's, you know, people are making their living doing that. And of course there's a little bit of that in college now and you get some, just some odd stuff happens at that level. Always seemed like the college stuff for me was kind of the sweet spot. But one thing I didn't expect was how fun it is to kind of get to know the students, the athletes in a way that you can see growth over time. So you know, as a first year student, you know, and unfortunately this is one of the things I think may be going away a little bit with all the transferring and I mean just you know, some sports, some teams are just new group every year now. Some of that happens over the course of the year and traveling with teams and hanging out with them, it's fun to get to know people and they'll know your names and everybody kind of, you know, on various teams gets kind of blown away by Matt and me and they're like what, you know, who are you doing? Who was there? You know. But over time I'm seeing growth and you know, I'm just sitting by a water cooler, you know, talking to somebody and some, one of the other guys comes up or women and it's mostly guys, some of the women do too sometimes. But just say hey Doc, how's it going? You know, good to see you, blah, blah, just shooting the breeze. Now those are generally people that don't play a lot because we're chit chatting or like the kickers, but you know, or you know, if there's somebody you've seen who had a really rough start because they were sick six times when they started out and had a shoulder problem and they just got off to a really rough start in college and just to see him grow over time, that's been, that's also been fun.

I, and I know sometimes they, some of those players will come back when they're playing professionally and come back and be on the sidelines of a game and come back and say hi and seem to remember you guys well.

So you say that I, so that's been thing that I didn't expect. So I was at Walmart two weeks ago and I'm walking Down the aisle because I need to forget what I was there. I was getting some motor oil for the car and I see this person walk down at me. I'm like, I don't know, this person's going to come up and say something to me. And he walked up and said, hey Doc, how you doing? And it was Keonte Burns. I didn't remember his name at the time, but we chit chat a little bit and after thinking about it after we left, I realized we had. I can say this because it was on tv. We spine boarded him at one of the games when his early in his career and it was kind of a disaster in Arkansas because of the EMS wasn't great there. Anyway, so that was early in his career. And then he asked how you said how's your brother doing? You know, so and then, you know, he, he was in. He's doing real estate here in town or whatever and kind of walked off and then it all kind of trickled back about. I did remember his name but then all this other stuff kind of came back to me about him.

Well, he really remembered you.

Yeah.

Impact on him.

Remember Matt too. So yeah. So anyway, that was. That's been kind of fun.

He didn't know which one you were.

But he didn't say my name, so. But I did remember his because Kiki, I do remember. Did remember his.

I always, as we're kind of like wrapping up here a little bit, I always like to ask all of our guests, like as somebody who's early on in my medical journey and for our listeners who are on kind of different stages of their medical journey, what advice would you give?

Oh, I would say keep an open mind, you know, for sure. That would, that would be the, that would be my first bit of advice. I mean you certainly have had much more advantage than I did or Matt or maybe even you, Sarah, kind of going into the whole medical field with not really having anybody part of that at all. It was just everything single thing was, you know, I did a little volunteer stuff here and there, but that just doesn't give you kind of a behind the scenes look about stuff. And you may be getting a totally skewed view of what everything everybody else is doing. I don't know, I don't go to anybody else's house, you know, I don't know what the surgeons are doing. So. But I think keeping an open mind as you're going through things in your kind of pathway to kind of explore about what might suits you kind of longer term and understand that kind of where you start isn't necessarily going to where you're in where you might end. So just don't feel too pressured to kind of make the perfect decision right out of the gate, whatever that is, if you're kind of going through. Certainly it's a big decision coming out of medical school to make a decision what your specialty is going to be. That's a big one. Hard to back that one up, although I didn't mention that. But just to kind of keep an open mind to things.

Just looking back at your career and you know, choosing the specialty that you did and doing SMU and all of that, is there anything that you would change?

I don't think so. I think thankfully, you know, medicine, you know, in our careers, I'm speaking to all of us, all three of us here, we know we're lifelong learners and so there's things that we can change or improve on a skill set that we can kind of adapt and work into our practice. I think as medicine evolves, as long as we're open, continue to be open minded to that, willing to learn newer things or take on stuff, if that's what you want to do then. And you have to in a way to adapt to newer data. But I can't say there'd be anything I do, you know, in a different way. Yeah.

Nice. Do you have anything else?

Well, I just want to point out that Milne had 10 pieces of advice, so.

Okay.

He's kind of a gunner, but he wrote them all down beforehand.

Okay, well, maybe he knew what questions people were gonna ask.

Well, if you listen to the podcast, then you would know.

Okay. Yeah, no, I should have, should have, should have listened. Maybe I'll go back.

You didn't study hard enough.

You invite me back, I'll maybe can be a way. Would you do differently? Since our last interview podcast.

So that was the gotcha.

Yeah, that was the gotcha.

Yeah.

Okay. Anything to plug?

No, I. No, I. Again, next time around I may have something for me or my kids maybe have some way to monetize this whole thing.

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