Interview Prep, PA School Acceptances, and pseudocyesis

She's back again, and she has a very, very, very special announcement. We are so excited. Do you want to tell everybody? The listeners. Hi, everybody, and welcome to the podcast. This is Generations md. My name is Stephanie, and I'm joined here by my colleague, Dr. Sarah Davis, who's also my mother.

Hi.

Hi. We are here in person in the studio.

In the studio. Where it all began.

Where it all began. All began. You know, actually, I got a notification. It was, like, two years ago today, and it was our viral moment.

Oh, my gosh.

It's our anniversary.

It's our anniversary.

Wow.

Yeah.

What have you planned for me?

Oh, oh, I got you a cake ball.

Oh, fantastic. Here you go. Oh, that's great. Okay. For our listeners.

She just brought me that cake ball a couple of minutes ago to catch listeners up. I took my neuro exam.

Oh, well, everybody's been waiting with bated breath to know how the neuro exams. Oh.

Anyway, we took a big exam, and then we had Halloween weekend and how medical students celebrated Halloween weekend was. We had a sketchy party.

Okay. And if you're my age, you have no idea what sketchy is.

Yeah. So we actually won a sketchy competition. My class did. Wow. Yeah. My. One of the art class officers applied for us to win the sketchy party, and they sent us, like, a box of stuff.

Well, how did you win the competition? What did you do? You just entered?

I think we just entered. I'm not sure exactly the details of it, but all of a sudden we won something. And then it was like, okay, we gotta put on this sketchy party. So what? Sketchy is sketchy? Learning is. It's a way to memorize. Essentially, it's a study tool. So what it does is it makes sense. Some sort of picture. Draws a picture draws a scene. And you try to use that scene to memorize some sort of bacteria, virus, some sort of medicine. So it'll be like E. Coli, and it'll draw a scene in a ice cream shop. And you're trying to. They'll say, okay, E Coli has a capsule. It's an encapsulated thing. And then there's like a. A capsule over a cupcake or something like that. And then, like, you remember the scene while you're taking the test, and it's like, okay, does is E. Coli encapsulated? And you're like, okay, yes, because I remember in the ice cream shop, there's a capsule over the cupcake, which means E Coli is encapsulated.

I just really love the idea of Seeing a patient and doing that. Wait, wait, wait. Let me draw the ice cream scene in my head. Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's like hundreds of these sketches. There's sketches for every bacteria, for every virus, for every drug.

There's really for, like, all the different.

I mean, sometimes it'll be multiple, It'll be like SSRIs, and then it'll be like all the SSRIs in one scene.

Wow.

So there's so many different ones. They even have it for just like, pathology, like hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. They have a sketchy for it.

How long has sketchy been in existence? You have any idea?

I don't really know. Yeah, I have no idea.

I also wonder if that's like. Like visual learners. I mean, I wonder if it works for, like, it seems like it would work for all learners, but for some learners better than others.

Yeah, I'm not a huge sketchy girl, I'm not gonna lie. Oh, yeah. Because, well, I like sketchy micro. I like with the bacteria and viruses. But for farm, I just need to, like, I just need to know the actual mechanism and what's happening.

Just truly understand it.

Yeah, exactly. I. It's not. It doesn't really work for me. So I honestly stopped watching all the sketchy farms.

I.

So when we had. So we had this sketchy party and the idea was that you would dress up as one of these pictures. So, like, me and my friend dress up as Santa Claus. Because in the listeria video, it. They talked about it was Santa's list, and the picture was Santa in front of this tree and he had a list for listeria. And there's like, certain things. Like there's purple ornaments, which means there's a grand positive bacteria. And like, so. But we just dress up as Santa and we're like, we're listeria.

Okay. It's cute.

Yeah. So then everyone had all of these different things. Everyone was different bacteria or a different drug or whatever. So we get to the party and I was honestly a little bit nervous going into the party that I wasn't going to know.

Oh. What the different sketches were.

What the different sketches were also because as I just said, I don't really watch Sketchy Farm. Yeah, I was a little bit nervous and it was a little gunner central in regards to people trying to make sure that they knew all the sketches being like, oh, yeah, it's that one. It's that one. There was a couple times definitely when I went up to people and were like, oh, that's Such a good one. And I just didn't know what it was at all.

Did you try asking somebody else, or is that too embarrassing?

No, I would sometimes ask people. I did know more than I thought. It did come back to me as it does. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I remember that one. Like, whatever it was.

So, okay, let's just talk about a gunner party. The whole thing.

But it was fun. And, yeah, we had a competition, so everyone would get up there and explain they're sketchy, and everyone had, like, something funny that they said to describe it. So.

Nice. Nice. That's awesome. That's. And this was. Was this on Halloween or this was after Halloween?

This was after. This is the Saturday after Halloween. Yes.

You had regular Halloween and then med.

School Halloween and then med school nerdy Halloween.

Yes. Okay, that's good.

Yeah. But I posted it on my. I made a TikTok of it, posted it on, like, Generations MD and posted it on my story. And if you're not in medicine, you're not in education like that, you have no idea what we're talking about.

It's very niche. I think it's very hard for something like that to catch on, because if it comes up on your. For you page, you're just like, what? And then you just kind of scroll.

Yeah. Like, hi, we're listeria and we're passing. You're just like, wait, what are you dressed up as? Santa and you're listeria. But all med students get it, so.

Yeah, so it just got. It's got to kind of get. Go through that round. But Sketchy collabed with you.

Yes, Sketchy collab. So shout out Sketchy for the sketchy party. And. Yeah, it was. It was a good time.

That's cool. That's great. I mean, I do think that stuff that will be helpful when you're taking those, you know, step one and stuff, like, draw that stuff out of your head.

Yeah. Yeah.

Now, I don't know how much it helps you in your actual doctor.

Yeah. Do you know, like, the listeria, if it's like, catalase positive or.

And the thing is, none of that stuff matters, so you never have to use it in real life. You're just using it for the st. For the test, and then you can just forget about it.

Yeah. So we took our big neuro test, and now we're in our psychiatry block right now. People call it psychication, unfortunately, which honestly offends me because I really like psychiatry, so. But people kind of just blow it.

Off well, it might come a little bit easier to some people than some of that neuro stuff.

Oh, and.

Exactly.

And the amount of material is just way less. Like even just. There's certain topics we just don't go. I was a psych major in college and there you don't. We're not learning psychology, we're not learning that. We're just learning the pathology of psychology. And even just if we. We're not even learning the whole DSM 5, we're just learning like broad things. So it's like.

Yeah, which is fine. That's exactly all you need to know. Unless you're going to be a psychiatrist. Exactly.

I mean, it's the same with every other block too. But there's just more. Yeah, there's more content in the other stuff rather than this one. And it's just like it doesn't take as long. But one thing that we did that is an Anki card and that we've talked about before and it brings up this current story that happened is pseudo site pseudocysis. Pseudocysis, yes. Okay, so pseudozyusis where you fake a pregnancy, right?

Yeah, I mean, I think it's. It doesn't have to be fake. Like you can really believe that you're pregnant, you're just not, I think.

Yeah. So it's when you say that you're pregnant, but there's no signs of pregnancy.

Yeah.

And I don't know. Did you hear about this tick tocker?

No.

Recently. So it was this girl.

Give me the tea. Okay.

It was this girl, Kira Cousin, who's a 22 year old from Scotland. And she is like an influencer and had like a whole story of claiming to be pregnant for nine months. Her whole family and everybody believed her. She like was posting on social media, ultrasound scans and hospital appointments and she had a gender reveal party. Um, and then this October, she then announced the birth and had a baby. And then eventually like her mom walks into her room and sees that she's not like she's kind of just neglecting the child and she's like, whoa, what's going on? And she like picks up the kid and realizes it's a plastic doll.

Oh my God.

Yeah. So this girl just faked this whole thing. She had a baby bump, she was posting pictures, she was posting fake ultrasounds. And then she went all to the extent of having a plastic doll and her whole family and the partner too, also, like, like she convinced everybody in her life.

Okay, all right, I can go along with that, but I mean, was the partner holding the doll, like, how far after this birth was this revealed?

That's what. Also, I'm confused because why was nobody at her birth?

That doesn't make a lot of sense.

I know, I know. Like, yeah, I don't. I don't know exactly the extent.

Although she probably could have just said, you know, oh, it was an emergency, blah, blah. I'm sorry, I didn't have time to call you guys. I don't know. I mean, when she's in that deep, there's a lot of different things she can say. And honestly, everybody is so, like, convinced of it by that time that I think they're, you know, they're just kind of going along.

That's so weird. Yeah. I mean, it just brings into question, like, mental health issues with that and going the extreme to just lie about that. Right.

Well, I've heard of some of those cases before. You know, somebody, again, like, kind of lies that they are pregnant and then they go and like, kidnap a baby. So I'm glad she didn't kidnap anybody. The doll is much better.

Yeah. Yeah. But. Wow.

Okay, so then what kind of. I. I'm assuming by now she has, like, eliminated her social media.

She's.

She.

I think she's gonna do a Netflix documentary or something like that. So. Yeah. So platforming these people more. I mean, this did. I mean, I didn't know about this girl until this happened, so obviously that this is just platforming her.

Yeah, that is so weird. But, yeah, you do wonder, like, how much of it was just like, sort of a con or like, you know, or started that way or was she really convinced? I don't know.

I don't know.

Yeah, I was gonna say, I told you before we talked about on the pod that we had, you know, this woman in my residency program or where. Not in my residency program. Sorry. In my. At the clinic where I worked in residency. And it was in our little group, there were like four different groups of doctors, and the same patients were always stayed in that group. And then we residents were there, and then we would leave anyway. But there was a woman with pseudocyusis in there. I never saw her, but I remember people saying, like, oh, yeah, she's here. And she didn't. She didn't like, have a big baby bump or anything. But it's just like, apparently if you said, oh, well, we need to give you this medicine or something, she'd said, well, you know, I can't because of the baby. Everybody's just like, oh, that's right. Okay. The baby people just kind of, you know, I've been going on for, like, 10 years. You kind of just went with the flow at that point.

Yeah, I don't know the motivation behind that. I don't know.

Yeah, I don't. I don't know that either. I now. Now I have more questions. At the time, I guess I was too tired to think about it too much.

That does interest me also. Just, like, when you hear about these kind of crazy big media stories and people always. I do hate the thing of people diagnosing these people with all these mental disorders. Like, you can't do that. You don't know the person. You are not. Like, you can't go to the DSM and say, okay, they have this, this, and this. You don't know the person. But I do think it's interesting to just theorize about these sort of things. Like, the first thing that came to mind. Did you hear about that? The catfish story? Yeah.

Netflix thing. Yes.

If you haven't already seen it, then.

It'S called, like, Wrong Number or something.

The Unknown Number.

Unknown number, yeah.

Spoiler alert. If you haven't already seen it, you. You probably know by now that it was the mom that was doing it the whole time, catfishing her child.

Crazy.

Which is crazy. And, yeah, I even kn. That going into watching the documentary, but, like, I. I knew it was a mom, but even I was like, there's no way it was this mom. There's no way. There's no way. And then you get to the end and you figure out it is the girl's mom, like, bullying her, bullying her, saying all of these disgusting things. And when I watched that, the first thing that came to mind was, like, disassociative identity disorder.

What exactly is that?

That's when you, like, you have, like, this splitting.

It used to be called multiple personality disorder. Okay. Yeah.

So it's like you kind of go into. I guess psychosis isn't the right word, but you, like, you split personality, so you become somebody else. And, like, that person doesn't even know of the other person.

Right.

And you go into these phases of, like, oh, I'm not that person. You know, I mean, obviously there's a ton of other stuff going on too, but I just. That's where my mind went initially. And, yeah.

Yeah, I couldn't watch that thing. I just. I watched, like, some other stuff so I could find out, like, what the. What the story was. I found out that's what it was. And I was just like, yeah, no, there's no way I could. Could watch a mom, like, knowing that this mom is, like, bullying her own child.

Like.

No, no. No can do. Yeah. It was just too upsetting.

The. It's an Anki card. The most likely person to abuse a child is their biological mother.

Oh, Anki card.

Yeah.

Huh. Are you making an accusation?

I'm just.

I don't. These are just the facts. These are just the facts.

That's what Anking said. So. Wow.

They're biological mom. Like.

Well, like, child neglect, too, is the biggest one. So that is a form of child abuse.

So. Yeah. Okay.

You know. Okay.

Kind of you put it all together.

Yeah.

Okay. Well, yeah. And the. But I. I was kind of thinking about. Well, in a lot of those cases, it's. It's kind of similar to, like, that Munchausen stuff. And. And, you know, which a lot of times, like, yeah, they are. They're hurting their own child, but they're acting as if they're the only one that can take care of the child. And that a lot of that is, like, to try to get the kid even more dependent on them. And also, there's something about, like, getting attention from other people. Sometimes you ask the people for money.

I think I had Munchausens as a child.

You were doing things like. So that you.

No, but, you know, I'd show up to a cast with a cast at school.

Well, that's not Munchausens. That's just wanting attention.

No, exactly. But that's what it is. You're faking an injury for wanting attention.

Yeah. Yeah. Or you say you're allergic to things like cinnamon. Yes, exactly.

Isn't that Munchausen's?

It's not that bad because nobody really believed you. I remember when you had a concussion and you did. You had a legitimate concussion.

Very serious injury.

Okay. I don't mean to laugh, but I remember dad and I, you know, so concussion management has evolved different ways over the years, but. And I think actually it's a little less stringent now than it was at that time. But, you know, there were all these things, like, you couldn't. You couldn't play soccer. You couldn't, like, do your homework. And so then I remember saying to Dad, I was like, a concussion for Stephanie is. And he said, jackpot. Okay.

That's not Munchausens. That's just malingering at that point.

It was. But then you also couldn't use electronics.

That doesn't align with what I was.

That's.

That was for my personal gain.

Yeah, yeah. So after a while, I was like, okay, like, don't have to go to school, but can't use electronics. And so eventually your concussion symptoms improved.

Yeah, that's the difference. There's, you know, there's like, somatic symptom disorder, fictitious disorders, and malingering. Yeah, and malingering is just. You're faking something because you want something and.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's. I mean, all kids malinger at one point or another. It'd be abnormal if they didn't.

Right, right. Of course, of course.

And then, of course, when you have doctors for parents, they're always like, you're fine, you're fine. And then they send you to school with pneumonia.

Yep. That happened.

That happened.

You love her. Our most reoccurring guest. Probably.

Probably.

So, yes. She's back again, and she has a very, very, very special announcement. Please welcome to the podcast.

Lily. Hello.

We are so excited. You want to tell everybody, the listeners.

I got into PA school.

Yay. Yay.

Last time we talked, Lily, she was interviewing for PA school. She was about to go to her interview, and we were prepping her for that. So I think it's really Generations MD.

That got her in pretty much. I think our. Our prep did actually zero good whatsoever as far as any of the questions there. But we're going to still take full credit.

We will take full credit.

No, it definitely helped with the nerves, I'll say that for sure.

Okay.

It was helpful with the nerves because.

We kind of made you all stressed out and nervous, and then you're like, okay, it's not going to be as bad as they were.

Exactly. Yeah, it was great. No, I really enjoyed the whole process of it. I had to travel to get there and everything, so I took a little road trip, and I really enjoyed the school, getting to tour it all and everything. And the interview process, it wasn't exactly as I thought it was, but it turned out a lot better because I was so geeked up and so nervous for it. Even after doing the intense rounds of interviews here, I was still super nervous. But when I got there, everyone was so nice. Everyone was so calm and collected, and I was like, wow, okay, this actually isn't that bad. I feel like I'm just talking to you guys, you know, like, it's nothing crazy.

Well. And, you know, so I was trying to remind you. It's like you're mostly talking about yourself. Like, it's a subject that, you know well when people are asking you these questions. But, yeah, there's that whole feeling of, like, I gotta make sure I tell them this, I gotta make sure I tell him that.

Exactly. And I mean, even after my interview, I was like, man, I didn't even say anything about my volunteering, or I didn't say anything about this. But then I realized, I mean, obviously I got accepted, so that was great. But before then, I was like, you know what? I got to tell them about me. Not just what was on paper. That was something that they said during the whole process was like, you. Your stats and your volunteering and all of that is what got you here. Your gpa. That's why you're here now. We want to know who you are as a person. And I don't know if every program is like that. I would like to think so, but that's why I liked this one so much that I was like, oh, okay. It's not just about my grades. It's who I am.

Yeah.

Yeah. Did you get any zingers, though? Questions that you were surprised about?

I mean, that's. Yeah, I definitely think so. I mean, the first day was all the orientation side of things stuff. And then there was also, like, a group activity and a writing portion, which wasn't anything crazy. But right off the bat, they were introducing themselves, the faculty, and just telling us about the program. And then they're like, okay, it's your turn. So now you guys are going to come up here one by one in front of everybody that's interviewing, which is like, I think, 18 people or so. It's like you're going to say what your name is, where you're from, major blah, blah, like all the fun stuff like that. And then they said, say one word that someone who didn't like you would describe you as.

What? Oh, my God. That's a really hard question, Stephanie. What would you say to that?

Too much, I guess. That's one. That's two words.

Okay.

Extra.

Extra. Yeah, it's good.

I mean, I guess so. At the time, I didn't think it was a good thing. I was the second person to go, oh, one person went. And then it was me. And I was like, oh, my gosh. Okay, I gotta think on my feet. Let's figure out what I'm gonna say. And I said I was a doormat. I said doormat.

And that was it.

Didn't get to elaborate or anything. I just said doormat. And as soon as I sat back down, I was like, why did I say that? Why did I say that? What did other people say, by the End of it. So many people were saying, like, I'm a perfection. I follow the rules too much.

How that is so lame.

That's funny. That's actually really funny.

So that's why I was like, you know what? I'm glad I had that answer. And then when I had my actual interview, I was still able to talk about that and be like, yeah, I said I was a doormat because. And told them about it more. And they're like, ah, okay, gotcha.

Yeah, it actually is. I mean, because I think that's a unique one.

Like, people.

It stands out. People are like, huh? What did she mean by that? So I think that's. I think that's good. Yeah. That perfectionist cross. I'm too hard of a worker. Exactly. I'm too smart. I'm too brilliant.

I feel like those people were really trying to stand out and look good, but it's really just like they said about being yourself. One of the things was being what was a unique thing about yourself. And since I went second, I didn't know exactly what to say. So I was like, I'm really good at whistling. And I just whistled in front of everybody.

That's good.

I was like, okay. I feel like they're gonna remember that.

Yeah, that is good. No, that's the important stuff is, like, stuff that's unique and stuff that they're going to remember because. Yeah, people can just. They're normal people. They can call out, like, they know when stuff is not genuine. Right. Like, I was with a professor. We have these, like, small group things that we have to do. And he interviews students, and he was talking about how every student, we were talking about something about the Holmes Clinic, which is like the free clinic at our school. And he was like, yeah, every. Yeah, Every student that I'm interviewing always talks about how they want to do the free clinic, same as they want to practice rural health in rural Texas. And he's like, yeah, just like.

I know none of them actually.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, he's like, like, they don't. They know what's genuine and what's not.

Right? Yeah, 100%. And I mean, I think that's something that shows whenever they accepted me and I got that call, which I was here actually at work when I got the call. I remember soon as I. We were talking about it all day.

Just like, she's just like sitting there waiting for the phone to ring, and we're just like. And it didn't happen until later in the afternoon. And I, you know, we're just. I mean, I was sitting here going like, oh my God, if she doesn't get in, I'm just gonna. I'm like, but she. I was like, there'll still be other schools coming, but she just really liked this one and blah, blah. And then, then she saw it and she was just like, oh, my God, it's him. It's him.

I remember running to the office and just like holding the phone and I'm.

Like, what do I do? You can answer the phone.

So I did. And they just, they were so nice. And they're like, lily, you know why I'm calling? And I'm like, I have an idea of why. And they just said that they could tell how genuine I was and how much I really cared about what I wanted to do and how I was such a light. And I was like, man, this just makes me feel so good.

Yes.

And like, it shows that these people see that, you know, it's genuine.

Yeah.

That's awesome.

That is awesome. She was on the phone for a long time. Time. And I like, she picks up the phone and then I'm just kind of hearing her say, like, huh, okay, thank you. And she sounds nice, but I'm just like, okay. I mean, it was like a 10 minute call or something and I was just like, I hope they're not telling her that she's waitlisted. Right. That's what I was kind of afraid of because I feel like it should have been like a 30 second call. You're in. Congratulations. Goodbye. I'm calling the next person. But so I was a little bit worried and then I was like, what happened? She's like, yay, I'm in. So then we jumped up and down.

No, it was great. Yeah.

Yay.

Well, that's. Congratulations. Thank you.

Thank you. You worked very hard. And it's a long, it's a long process to like the whole application process and everything and just so stressful.

Yeah, yeah, I'm. I. A lot of people say, you know, like, whenever they get in, they'll post or something in one of those group chats, like, the war is over. And I'm like, I think it's just starting right now. Like, I'm very excited, very happy.

It's a huge hump. It is like, that is like the big thing. Like, now you just gotta just do the stuff.

Now you just gotta do the stuff. Right? Yeah, I think that's true. Wait, but tell also about the team building activity you did.

Yeah. No, so in that team building activity, we Got our name tags, and on our name tags there was like a little instrument. I didn't even realize what was on it. But we all had a different medical instrument. And they're like, okay, you see this on your name tag, that's your group. And so we split off into groups of four. And they didn't tell us anything about it, but they set these things of dominoes on our table. There's probably like 50 to 100 dominoes, like in this box. And they just put up on the board and say, make a structure. And we had 20 minutes to do it. And so we're like, okay. So our group is kind of coming up with ideas. You can tell that I think this is more. I was thinking in my head, like, okay, they're looking for the leaders or the people that are just going to take control or maybe like just observing and they're walking around the whole time watching us.

Does feel like you're in some sort of psychic spirit.

Yeah, it really was. It was nerve wracking. But in my group, we all just kind of bounced ideas off of each other. No one was like, okay, this is what we're doing. Which I kind of liked that.

I think that's good.

But they were pulling just little things out of this domino box. And I was like, this is inefficient. So I took the whole box and I dumped it on the table. So it was kind of loud, but I was like, I feel like that was of kind. Kind of a good thing. So I spread them out. We all were like, okay, we're gonna do this. We made our structure, whatever. Once the time was up, they put up these questions. They're like, okay, what went good with the structure? What went bad? How does this, like, teamwork with it apply to, like PA school? And then I think there was one other question, something small, like, what did you learn from this? So we got to look at everybody's structures, and then we all talked about it. And this one I thought was interesting too, because we were the last group to talk. But each like. So there was four other groups all together. And so each of those other ones, one person did the whole talking and answered all of those questions.

Interesting.

But for my group, we kind of just had this consensus. We were like, this girl started it off. She looked at me and I was like, okay, yeah, I got this question. I look at this girl, she does it and she's got this questions. So we spread it out a little bit more, which I think was a good thing.

I wonder if the rest of those people got in.

I don't know.

Yeah, yeah. I did do a team building thing for one of my interviews as well. There was two. There was one where it was like you had to build a LEGO set and you couldn't see the other side. So you. One person had the instructions and one person had the, you know, you just had like the. You had a picture of what it was supposed to be and then you had a person on the other side who had the Legos and you had to talk through it and have them. I. My guy, the other guy didn't know what was going on and it was terrible. And I was like, oh my goodness. But.

And hopefully you said, this guy's a loser. I'm giving great instructions.

And then we had to do another thing where we had to build a spaghetti thing. And like you had like dry spaghetti and you were trying to build the tallest tower. I was so mad. Like, I was just like, this is. I was. I was not having it at all.

I feel like you did not get accepted.

I didn't place.

I didn't.

It was not a fit. It was not a fit.

That's too bad because those people are having a great time building spaghetti structures right now in med school.

Yeah, well, I was just like, what?

Like what?

Like, I was just like. I don't know. I did not like it.

Yeah, I mean, I get that. You know, I get the overall concept.

But you still had a normal interview though, right? Yeah, that was my whole interview. Yeah, so like, like that was it. We did a Lego building thing and we built spaghetti and then they asked us one question in a group and. Yeah, that was the whole interview.

Wait, didn't you, didn't you have a Zoom interview with some. With one of the professors a few days later?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was on Zoom, so I had to travel all the way to this place to do these team building things.

Not easy to get to.

Yeah. And then I just travel all the way hours and hours to get to this place to build a spaghetti tower with some randos. And then. And then, yeah, I had to come all the way back and then do a Zoom interview with the professors.

Like, just like. Yeah, yeah. Like the most important part was done over zoom. Once you were back home, it was. Yeah, that was very strange.

So weird. So strange. I mean, mine was a two day thing, so like. Yeah, on Friday it was only like a 20 to 30 minute interview. And then I was like, okay, see ya, I'm gone. So it could have been A one day thing, probably, but with all of the people there, I just couldn't understand, like if they had me come all the way out there and then I went back and did zoom.

Right?

Yeah. That's different.

That was strange.

Was it a panel? Were you with other people when you were interviewing or was it just you?

No, it was just me for it, which was nice. I mean, I know other schools have interviews that are like MMI style or group interviews, things like that, but mine was just a regular traditional panel interview. I think there was like five of them in there and then me. And so I was at like the head of the table. And they didn't ask any too hard questions.

What's the hardest question that you got?

I would say at least the most unique. They actually brought up Dr. Davis letter of recommendation.

You see? You see?

Yeah. And so I did feel a little like, oh, they read it like, that's great. Okay. Because they said like Dr. Davis, Davis said that you can't teach the social little things in healthcare. That's something you're just kind of born with or you have or you don't kind of thing. And they said, what do you think she means by that? And I was like, okay, yeah, yeah. And so I answered how I thought and I think I got it right.

Just seems like it. You got it.

Yeah, exactly. So it, that one was definitely. I wasn't super prepared. Prepared for it. I was prepared for the YPA or YPA over MD or NP and why here? All that stuff. That one, I was kind of like, oh, okay, yeah.

That is kind of nice. When they pull out something though, like from your letters, you're like, okay, you, you did read this, right? Yeah.

I don't remember getting any specific questions about my application at all.

You don't think they were reading them?

No, no, they weren't. I don't think so.

Well, see, I mean like on my panel too, it was like the door director, a couple professors, and then the like admissions coordinator. So she said that like she knew us the best. She's like. And then her score was mixed with an alumni that's a PA and was just on the panel, went to the school. And so her score was mixed with hers because like she's like, if I, like if I was my choice, you would all get in. I love you all. You'd all get 100 on this score, you know, so they got to kind of balance it out, but balance it.

Out with a hater, I guess.

Like, didn't you have a random Kansas Resident on your panel?

Well, yeah, so at ku, that was, you know, one of their things is, like, they want people who, you know, the state of Kansas, you know, has a invested interest in these students, and they do give money to the school and stuff. And so there's one person on the panel who represents the state of Kansas. Now, who they are, I don't know. I really think they're random people because that. I don't remember what she asked me, but she did ask my friend whose mom was an artist. Somehow that came up. And then she said, well, how do you plan to use art in your medical practice? She's just like. But she said she could tell that the other people on the panel were kind of rolling their eyes when the lady asked that. So she didn't feel like there was a huge stake in exactly how she answered that. I don't know what she said. I'll have to go back and ask. I remember before I interviewed, I heard all these horror stories of, like, crazy things they did. You know, again, remember, we don't have the Internet at this time, so the only way you would hear these things was, like, somebody told somebody who told somebody else who told somebody else. Yeah, yeah. This is where we got our information. But supposedly they. They would sit you down, and then they'd say, oh, it's kind of warm in here. Can you go open that window? And you would try to open the window, and it was sealed shut. And then they would just, like, watch you struggle with this window. And, you know, at some point, or do you give up? Like, do you ask for help? Like, what are you supposed to do? I don't know. That seems to me it'd be something that they were doing just for their own entertainment.

Yeah, yeah.

I don't know.

That's crazy.

And I know there was also, like, people walking in, and then they said, tell us a joke. And so I did have a couple jokes up my sleeve, but, you know, that's just something like, you totally freeze. Like, if somebody asks you to tell a joke. Like, I don't know. And then, of course, every inappropriate joke you ever heard comes right to your head.

I would not have a joke planned. I would have no idea what I would say.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, I heard that some of the schools that I don't know, like, my name or anything, but I've heard horror stories of people having exams in their interview, like, anatomy exam or something. Or they ask you, like, do the blood flow through the heart? Like, tell me all of that. I would freeze if I got that. I mean, Ken.

And that's so stupid because you already have all of that in grades and everything else. They don't need to assess that. They're trying to assess, like, are you a good person? Can you communicate that kind of stuff? That seems like the purpose of the interview. Again, all those things. I think it's just either. I don't know, the people are bored, they're tired of the regular questions. They don't know how to have a conversation themselves.

Well, that's what I feel like MMI are now. It's just like the most. It's just like random stuff. Like, that was the first interview question I got on. My first inter. Interview was in person. It was the door note was, you're gonna walk in and tell this parent that their child has died.

Oh, my gosh, I hate to laugh, but that's so absurd.

That was the first thing. And I was like. And then I had to act like I'm in a drama class and be like, oh, my goodness. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, it was an mmi. Like, it was. You're supposed to be prepared for, like, that scenarios. But yeah, again, they're just bored and they're just, like, making stuff up.

I do think you're. You have a lot of acting. You're a good actress. I feel like that would be right up your alley.

Yeah.

Then you're like, wait, I need more character. Okay.

Gesture some tears.

No, I mean, like, I still have to act in my osce's and stuff. You'll have to act probably when you're singing. I was in theater, so that sounds exciting to me. Wow.

There you go.

Yeah.

Good to know.

Well, Lily, thanks for being here.

Yes.

Any closing thoughts?

If you're applying to PA school right now or next cycle or whenever it can happen. You got it. Just gotta put in the work.

That's the way I see it.

That's right.

Well, you're gonna do great and you're.

Gonna be a great pa. Yeah.

I can't wait. So excited for my program.

Yay.

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