Marijuana & Medicine: A Cross-Generational Conversation

I remember opening this milk carton when I was a kid, and this was part of, like, the whole war on drugs thing. And it opened up and it said, if you do drugs, you're not cool. You're weird. Oh, my goodness. Wow. It stuck with you. So, yeah, yeah, see? So you're not cool just because you guys are doing that. It was cool to be studying. There's nothing wrong with that.

Hi, everybody, and welcome to the podcast. This is Generations MD My name is Stephanie, and I'm joined here by my colleague, Dr. Sarah Davis, who's also my mother.

Hi. How you doing?

Have you ever smoked weed?

I did, but I didn't inhale. Oh, sorry. That's a. That's a famous quote by Bill Clinton.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Political answer.

Well, it's interesting that you bring this up, because I was recently thinking about things to discuss on the podcast, and by thinking about, I mean, typing it into ChatGPT, and that is one of the kind of differences between my generation and your generation is that for some reason, you guys think that marijuana is not addictive, or at least you thought that, or your generation seems to think that.

What do you mean?

Well, I remember people saying this. They said, oh, well, you can't get addicted to marijuana. And I was like, of course you can get addicted to marijuana. Now. It is less addictive than, like, heroin and probably even than alcohol, but you can still absolutely be addicted to marijuana.

Talking about substances and talking about, like, addiction, you have, like, different classes of people, right? You have people who are addicts, and they're predisposed to having an addiction. And then you have somebody on the other end of the spectrum who they can do a bunch of drugs and they just won't ever get addicted. They don't have it. And most people are kind of in the middle, right? And you have kind of different classes of drugs, which I think nicotine is the highest. And if you, you know, smoke cigarettes, smoke or consume nicotine, whatever, then you are. The more you do it, you know, the more likely you are to become addicted to it and, you know, continuing having to do it. I think it gets kind of sticky with where does alcohol fall into that? And where does cannabis fall into that? Because lots of people drink, and they're not addicts, you know?

Right, right.

So I feel like people think of cannabis in the same class as alcohol rather than in the same class as something like nicotine or heroin or something like that. Do you know what I'm saying?

Yes. And that's. I mean, I think that's fine. But I think that there really is a perception. Well, I don't know. You tell me. I. I feel like young people, people your age think that marijuana is much less dangerous than alcohol. Rather than equating the two, I don't know. What do you think?

From my perspective, I guess I think the stem of that might be because you can't overdose on cannabis.

Right.

So when we're talking about danger, I think immediately we think about, like, mortality, and you can overdose on alcohol, you can overdose on all the other substances, but you can't on thc. So I think that that that kind of is the stem of. When we're talking about danger and we're talking about comparing different things.

Okay, okay.

On a generational aspect of things, you think that we think that you can't get addicted to weed and that it's not that big of a deal, but.

It'S just perfectly fine to smoke weed like that. It's, you know, it. It's not harmful. You can smoke it every day and it's not going to really cause any problems for you, and it helps you sleep and it helps you relax, and, you know, if you want to do it, that you just should be like, you know, it's fine.

The consensus doesn't think that doing a substance versus not doing a substance is a good idea. Yeah. Is a good idea. Yeah. So I don't. I think people kind of equate it to alcohol.

Okay. I mean, that's a fair comparison.

Well, so as a healthcare provider, though, what would. I'm having lots of anxiety, doc, and I'm having trouble sleeping, man. The only thing that's right.

Yeah. The. Well, okay, so you tell me, what are the chemical effects in the brain of thc?

Just to give my credentials a little bit, I have done some addiction research and stuff and studied this sort of neural pathways, different ones than the cannabis route, but it's all really similar. Essentially, THC binds to the CB1 receptors in the brain, and then that short story leads to release the dopamine and euphoric effects. That's kind of the short shorthand of it. But it's funny because these receptors in CB1, they're called the cannaboid receptors in the brain. And I remember learning about this and people talking about it and being like, your brain already has receptors called cannaboid receptors in your brain. So obviously our brain was made to have weed. I'm like, no, no, no.

We named. We named them that. Oh, my God.

It's like, yeah, I Just think is the funniest thing.

That is funny. That sounds like a pothead. Yes.

Yeah. So it has. I'm just looking a little bit more into it. So CB1 activation in the ventral tegmental area. VTA with the GABA neurons, which normally. So essentially it releases dopamine by inhibiting the thing that inhibits dopamine.

Okay.

And then it also suppresses glutamate, which leads to memory impairment, because that is, like, primarily in the hippocampus.

That's a bad idea.

Yeah. And then also has to do with GABA modulation. So that has to do with, like, skeletal muscle response, so leads to relaxation of muscles.

Is that why they sit around in the basement all the time?

But, yeah, I don't know. So that's the biochem pathway of it. It's pretty similar to a lot of other drugs of. Essentially, most drugs target the ventral tegmental area, the vta. So that is also, like, a prime spot of people who have a predisposition to addiction. Also, like, that's. A lot of research is going on in that area of the brain thinking that there's some sort of alteration in addicts in that part versus others. By the way, I just got into a concentration for substance abuse and addiction.

Oh, what does that mean?

It means that I'm. It's kind of like a minor.

Why do you need more. More stuff? Just. Just do the regular MD thing.

Because I was interested in it.

Oh, okay.

And I applied and I got it.

Oh, congratulations.

Thank you. They only take five people.

Oh, my gosh. Well, that's amazing then. Yeah, that actually is pretty cool, because I think that I told you on one of our earliest podcasts that I received, like, zero education in addiction during med school. So I think that's a great thing to learn about because it is everywhere, in every specialty. You will see addiction.

No. Yeah. I'm only doing things that I'm actually interested in, and this was something that I was like, okay, this actually seems like it's interesting. Good opportunity to build a relationship with some professors and all of that. So.

Yeah. Does that mean you're going to do, like, research in that, or what does that actually mean?

Honestly, I don't really know. No, I do have a project that I work on that's over, like, the next four years, so.

Oh, okay.

Yeah. I don't really know. Anyway, so this is my shtick.

Okay. This is your shtick. So that's good.

Addiction. Not because I am an addict, but because.

Okay, okay. That's good. So earlier today, just when I was thinking about talking about this, I was looking into it and, you know, of course, one of the big problems is that all of the different cannabis products now have so much more THC than they used to a long time ago. You know, you look at research that was done, you know, 15 or 20 years ago, and you're really talking about, like, almost a completely different drug because it's. It's so much more potent. And then, so if somebody was, you know, a daily cannabis user, but they used, you know, just like a little bit every night, that may be, you know, I don't know, that used to be the equivalent of, okay, somebody had like, a few sips of whiskey before they went to bed, and now they're doing, like, you know, five shots or something. So it's.

Why is that? Why is it bad?

Why is it bad? Yeah, well, the problem is the only.

Thing that helps me, Doc.

Well, okay, let me just. Let me address the first question. The problem is, especially if people are making decisions based on, like, older research and, you know, you're talking about something different, and so you're making decisions thinking like, oh, yeah, well, it's not really that bad because of this and this, and. But it's like the research can't even really keep up with the products of today because it's kind of progressing so fast that, you know, they just haven't had time to do a lot of research. Plus, it's difficult to do research on something that is still, you know, from the federal level, an illegal substance. So you've got a lot of, you know, it's just a. It's a tricky thing. Now for a patient who says, you know, yes, it's the only thing that helps me, blah, blah. Well, that depends on a lot of different things. And, you know, I mean, some of the problems is somebody says, like, oh, well, you know, I. I just. I have terrible nausea. I feel so sick to my stomach. So I have to take this to help with my nausea. But the reason that they're nauseated is because they're having withdrawal from the substance. And so by using the substance over and over, you're just making that worse. And it's making it harder and harder to get off the substance. So I think that sometimes people think, or they're like, you know, I'm just so anxious, and this is the only thing that helps my anxiety. Well, the reason you're anxious could be. Now, there's many different reasons for anxiety, but it could be, again, that you're withdrawing from the substance and that is causing you this anxiety. And so in order to figure out what your real underlying anxiety is, you have to get off the substance. And know one of the things about THC is it has a very, very long half life. And because it has this long half life, that does help with making it not quite as addictive. So substances that are really addictive, like nicotine, they have, they have a quick onset and a quick offset. So you get it, it's in your blood. Yay. Feel good. Oh, it comes down and you're like, oh, now I feel bad, I want more of the substance. But in when something is a little bit slower onset and a slower offset, you don't have quite as a big of a withdrawal, immediate withdrawal, and associate that with the substance and say, okay, I want some more of that. But the problem with that too is like, especially if somebody is taking this every day, more and more and more of it is building up in their body. And so then for them to get off of it, it's just going to take a long time for it to all finally get out. And then during that time they are having this withdrawal symptoms, but they don't really realize that those are withdrawal symptoms from the drug. Drug. They just think like that's the way that they are.

Yeah. Have you seen any studies or know anything about long time use of marijuana and how that affects.

See, and that's again, the stuff that is, it is a little bit tricky because if you are, if you're looking at somebody who's like, you know, people love to do the, like, I've been using this for 50 years and I'm totally fine. Right. But again, if they were using the marijuana from 50 years ago, it was a whole lot less potent. So it's, it's going to be a whole different deal of the people who are using it, you know, from now to 50 years from now. But, you know, there certainly are stuff that, you know, the studies say it certainly impairs people's memory and it does cause a decrease in motivation, which I don't think anybody is going to be surprised to hear that. And so, you know, those are pretty, two, pretty big things.

Yeah. One thing that I, I want to touch on too, I remember Preston actually made a video about this talking about drug induced psychosis and talking about like predispositions to schizophrenia. And he talked about drug use can lead to that. And I remember kind of, or I've, I've looked into this a little bit and seeing that and it just seems Kind of crazy. The idea that if you, I don't know, do a drug, then that can lead to a terrible disorder like schizophrenia. But essentially he just talked about that anything that's going to inflame the brain or can potentially cause any neurological damage can lead to psychosis symptoms. And you talked about also that again the idea that there's, you know, three types of people. One person who is, will never touch a drug and will just develop schizophrenia. Another type of person who can do any drug and never have schizophrenia. And then there's the person in the middle who, you know, they might get schizophrenia if they have some drug usage. He also talked about that if you are somebody who uses marijuana and gets extremely anxious and has kind of that response, that, that might mean that you are more likely to, to have a predisposition to developing a drug induced psychosis now.

So anxious or like, I mean, like the paranoid.

Yeah, paranoid, yes, yes.

That happens to a lot of people.

Yeah, I just think that, that, that, that's really interesting. So something that I want to talk about is if you do smoke weed and then you end up kind of having a, a panic attack and you go to the hospital, what do they do at the hospital?

Yeah, that's a good question. I suppose. I mean, I can't really remember. But you know, just like anybody, you know, you would kind of treat the panic attack the same way. I mean, you probably give anxiolytics, you know, things like beta blockers and.

But if they're, if they have marijuana in their system, do you think that affects it?

Like, would it affect the treatment?

Yeah.

No. I mean, I would think you would still just like, I mean, especially because when they first come in and you know, it depends on how bad the whole thing is. But no, I think you would still give them some, you know, anxiolytics, you know, seem like they're just like coming out of their skin and you want to get the person calmed down.

I know somebody who use marijuana and then they, their heart rate went up to 160, just sitting and then they're like, I gotta go to the hospital right now. Like what? They're not, you know, it's not like they're actually like yelling and freaking out. But wouldn't you kind of, would that be considered a panic attack? What would that even be? Also, would you recommend that person to go to the emergency room?

Well, so I'm curious before I get like, what happened to that person? Or are you waiting for my answer to tell me?

I'm Waiting for your answer?

Well, I think, yeah, I mean, I would say go to the emergency room, especially if it's really not coming down, because maybe you're having some sort of arrhythmia. I think that you want to get there and put them on some monitors, see what's going on. I mean, maybe there was some other drug in there. It wasn't just marijuana. I mean, it's. It's kind of tough you can do. You know, you do, like, these urine toxicology screens and some things. I mean, as we know, marijuana stays in there in the system for a long time and can be positive even though the person did the marijuana like two weeks ago. So just because the person is positive for marijuana and is having these symptoms, it doesn't mean that the marijuana is causing those symptoms. As the, you know, as a healthcare worker who's seeing the person and trying to decide, because, you know, believe it or not, people are not always totally honest with you when they come into the emergency room about exactly what they've been doing.

Yeah, no, that is a good point. If it's. If, you know, you don't know exactly what's in it, which is also another scary thing. And that's kind of a part of federal regulation and all of that. I think it does make it more scary if people are going to use the substances anyway. But if it's not regulated and now they have all of these other things like Delta 8 and Delta 10 and all of these things that are completely unregulated and you have no idea how much THC is in it.

Yeah, yeah, it's. I don't know. The whole thing is all. It. It really is. It's so complicated, and I really don't know what the answers are. I mean, I, I think that, you know, we know that, you know, some people seem to be targeted for, you know, when, when marijuana was illegal everywhere, some people were really targeted and punished, you know, much more severely than other people for the same crime. And so kind of decriminalizing, it seemed like a good idea for, for some of those reasons. But I don't know, it's a. Like, I do think that it's. It's kind of interesting because now even lots of people my age that never were going to do marijuana, all of a sudden they're like, well, it's legal, so I'm just going to go ahead and do it now as if because it's legal, then it's safe. And I think that's just such a bizarre thing that somehow People equate something being legal as, like, oh, well, now it's perfectly fine to do.

I think, let's say safe, though. What do you mean by safe?

Well, okay, so it could be some of that stuff that we talked about, like, rather than getting something illegal and you don't really know what's in it, and now you've got an. Gotten it from Colorado, a dispensary, and so you feel a little bit better about that. It's not tainted with all kinds of other stuff, but I don't know, it's just. I just find it odd that people who were in their 50s who hadn't really done any marijuana since, like, their teenage years all of a sudden are, like, doing it on a regular basis because, well, it's legal. So, you know, why not? I do.

I. I do.

Okay.

First of all, doing no substance is always better than doing any substance. Okay, just making that clear.

Disclaimer.

Just disclaimer. Also another disclaimer. We are not a legal podcast. We're not talking about legality of things. This is purely on the health aspect of things. So two disclaimers. But I. I just keep going back, just comparing THC and alcohol, because alcohol has so many negative effects, and, like, we've seen it and, like, we've seen, like, you know, just cirrhosis and, like, how damaging it can be to our bodies. And it does seem like if you're gonna do an alternative, it just stops. Seems like cannabis would be better.

Well, and I think that's just. We just don't know. I mean, maybe. Maybe it is, but maybe it's not. I just don't think we have enough information to be able to.

To know that definitely putting anything into your lungs is terrible, though.

Well, yes, for sure. And I think that. I think even the people who are, you know, I think a lot of people are big into the edibles and that kind of stuff. I mean, everybody knows that inhaling something is going to be bad, But I guess, I mean, I'm not seeing people giving up alcohol for marijuana. I'm seeing them just adding it in to their work.

Yeah, no, that's very fair. Very fair point.

And I'm like, that just doesn't seem like a great idea. You know, again, I think we know so much more about alcohol now than we did when I was younger. I mean, again, I really thought that, like, there were the people that were the alcoholics, they had bad problems, they would get all the complications, but everybody else that drank regularly, it was fine. Like, it was either Fine or not fun. Those were the two categories of alcohol. And now, you know, we've really learned that that's. That's not the case. And alcohol can cause a lot of other problems besides just, you know, drunk driving or cirrhosis or, you know, all these, like, really, really bad stuff. But even in moderation, it can cause problems. I mean, hypertension, heart problems, you know, worsening anxiety, mental health disorders. Like, it can cause a lot of other stuff, even when used at, you know, kind of like, more moderate levels. So it seems to me we generally should be trying to get off of these various substances, not adding more in.

Very fair. I think this conversation is a good reflection of the generational differences between, like, the opinions of marijuana. And I think that the truth about the substance and, you know, actual effects are somewhere in the middle.

Definitely. I mean, when it's. It's. My generation is a little bit interesting because. So I was. Well, I'll just tell people my age. I was born in 68, so. Oh, my God, you're so old. Okay. Did you just say boomer? Yeah, I'm not a boomer. Gen X. That's gonna be one of our reoccurring lines. I'm not a boomer. I'm Gen X.

But I thought you were a millennial, right?

Yeah. Or maybe an old Gen Z.

Elder Gen Z. I'm elder Gen Z.

Anyway, but. So, like, marijuana was really big in the 60s and 70s. There was, you know, just lots and lots of use. You know, you think about the hippies and all that kind of stuff. And so, like, my brother, who is six years older, when he was in high school, lots and lots of people were using it a whole lot. By the time I got to high school, you know, a little bit later in the. In the early 80s, it was really. The use was really falling down.

Or were you just not cool?

Do you think drugs are cool?

No, no, no, not.

I remember opening this milk carton when I was a kid, and this was part of, like, the whole war on drugs thing. And it opened up and it said, if you do drugs, you're not cool. You're weird. Oh, my goodness. Wow. It stuck with you. So. Yeah. Yeah. See? So you're not cool just because you guys are doing that. It was cool to be studying. There is nothing wrong with that. But, you know, if you. If you look back there, it did fall down somewhat. And the whole. There was this big war on drugs, which really didn't work. But, you know, marijuana did. Did go down. Now, other. I think other Substances went up like cocaine and that kind of stuff. So I'm not necessarily saying that like this decrease in marijuana, you know, I'm not making any judgments on it. But the, the big argument against marijuana, which this I think is kind of ridiculous, is it was a gateway drug. Ah, yes, the gateway drug.

I forgot about that.

Yes, yes, that is why you shouldn't do marijuana. Because if you did, because studies show that if you became, if you were a heroin addict that you started with marijuana and then later on you became a heroin addict. And I was like that, you know, it's a total correlation causation thing. Right. You know, like if you were going to start using heroin, you know, you didn't usually start be like, you know what, today I'm just going to shoot some heroin in my arm. That's going to be my first time time, you know, trying out drugs. I don't know, I'm sure somebody has done that somewhere sometime. But usually people start, well, they actually cigarettes are the number one, you know, gateway drug. But that's, you know, okay, you're gonna.

Start smoking cigarettes and then like end up being a heroin addict. That is so wild.

Yep, that's, that's the way it happens. But yeah, but that was that whole thing. I see, you know, it's the gateway drug, blah, blah. And that was the given as the reason that they really were wanting to crack down on marijuana. So you know, again, I mean, you could also say the same thing about alcohol. Right. You know, people start off stealing booze from their parents liquor cabinet and you know, pretty, pretty soon there you are on the streets with a needle in your arm.

Do you know what open evidence is? Do you use it?

I don't really use it.

It's like the AI but for healthcare providers.

Okay, okay. I don't really use it.

They use like it's studies, like it's all like research backed and you have to be, you have to like submit your proof of being like a student or a doctor to use it and stuff. But I just looked it up of what evidence is there for or against marijuana being a gateway drug. Essentially it's just saying, yeah, if you use other drugs then you have probably also used cannabis. That's what it seems like it is.

Right.

This is kind of interesting though. There was a study that found no significant increase in substance use disorder treatment admissions for opioids, cocaine or methamphetamines among adolescents and emerging adults following the legalization of recreational marijuana in Colorado and Washington.

Well, that's interesting.

Yeah. So that kind of.

Kind of disputes the gateway drug thing.

Yeah. Yeah. That's a better way to look at it, I think. Or like a pretty good way to look at it, being like. Okay, I'm. I don't know how legalization in the states affected cannabis use, but it doesn't look like. Or at least in those two states in this study, it showed that it didn't lead to other drug usage.

Well, and that's what, like. Yeah, you would sort of want to see that curve of, okay, when. When legalization came, did use increase? Which I bet it did. But if you show the use increase, but then the addiction to these other drugs didn't increase, then, you know, I think that gives you a lot of information about that.

Yeah.

Well, let's see. Should we bring Thomas on for a little cameo? Reluctantly.

He's joining us.

Okay. Really? That's. This is just to see how he does, to see if we want to invite him back? Yeah, exactly.

All right. We're scraping the bottom of the barrel.

For guest stars, everyone.

Please, please welcome my boyfriend, Thomas.

Yay. Yay, boyfriend Thomas.

Hello, listeners.

Oh, did you hear Bruce say hello too?

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure gonna have to scoot in a little far back.

So how is it just being the boyfriend of generations MD Star & Co host?

Man, it's been a journey. No, I. I remember when you said you were gonna start a podcast and.

You said that I wouldn't be good at it.

That's not what I said. I wasn't sure how your interview skills would be, and I'm very impressed with how you've turned out, how you both have done. You both have gotten really good.

Thanks. That's nice. Stephanie's better than I am. That's okay. I think I'm trying to get better.

Gotten really good at asking the right questions.

You got sunburned today.

Thanks, Doctor.

You didn't do anything to prevent it, though, did you?

No comment.

Well, yes, so. And how is it being the boyfriend of a medical student? You have been with Stephanie through the pre med process, taking the mcat, the application process, and now in medical school. And how has that journey been?

I still think the MCAT period was the toughest for you.

Yeah, I agree for sure.

Yeah. You've done a good job of finding a balance, and, you know, she still makes time for me. We'll see how things go over the next couple years. Maybe it'll be a lot more of me and Bruce hanging out, but. No, it's been good. I think with the last Exam just managing expectations now that it's not pass fail and that there's a little bit more to measure up against other people. I. I can see you falling into that. So we need to. We need to work on that. But other than that, I think she. She takes good care of herself and her mental health.

And I was gonna say you kind of sound more like a therapist than a boyfriend.

Well.

Well, I like the point that you made about the. I think the MCAT was the hardest part. Because if you're studying for the MCAT right now, like, it. For me, it just got better. Even through the whole application cycle and everything. Like, I. I don't know. It was. The MCAT was stop.

So.

Well, we were doing distance that whole time, but I could just tell how stressed you were because you hadn't gotten there yet. You know, this was the make or break on if it was going to be McGovern or the Thomas Fely School of Medicine. So.

This is Thomas's bed. The Thomas FE School of Medicine. That.

Accreditation pending.

Oh. I always had a med school that I was gonna get into.

Well, that's really nice. Yeah. I think that the MCAT thing, I mean, number one, is just. It's so hard. There's so much material. But you're also just like, you. You're just so insecure because you're just like, I don't know. I don't know if I'm good enough or, you know, if this is really gonna work. I mean, if you could go back in time and tell yourself, like, listen, it's all gonna be fine, then it would be easy. But, you know, you don't get to. You don't get to do.

That's the big thing, right? Because you want to get a certain score, and that's when you know if you are going to make the cut.

Right.

Like, that's kind of the defying thing. It can be of being like, okay, well, I need to get at least whatever score in order to, like, be like, a serious applicant. So.

Yeah, I would imagine. It's also just you're at the end of college and you've done all this hard work and done so well. You know, you had really great grades and you worked really hard, and so for all that to amount to nothing if you really didn't do well, I think that that seemed like it was really stressing you out.

Yeah. Well, any tips for partners supporting through all of the process?

Get a cat.

What'd you say?

I honestly, like, I. I don't know, since I'VE gotten to med school. I feel like. I don't know, we hang out a lot.

Yeah, no, I see you still, which is great. You're not just 8am to 8pm grinding. We still make time to.

Yeah. You might see me a little too.

Much.

Now that I'm working. Hybrid, maybe.

Okay, wait, let's take. Let's do that again. The answer is supposed to be never. Never. Oh, there's never too much, Stephanie.

There's never too much.

That's good. That's good. Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess it'll. You'll. You still have a long way to go as far as, like, then you get the times when. During clinicals or residency, you know, the thing. You're really not seeing the person, so that can be hard.

The managing expectations, though, a lot. I think you. You're just like, no, this is what we're doing, and I'm ready for it, you know? So.

Yeah, no, I. I wasn't ready for it, but we're doing it. I could have been more ready. There's resources out there for how to be supportive.

Yeah. What else are you doing to be supportive?

No, actually, I know. I. I was. I was actually just talking to somebody about this, about how, like, he makes my life easier and Rather than harder, obviously. But, like, just it. It really feels like a partnership of, like, we're switching off meal prep weeks, and we have a cleaning schedule that we stick to, and it's like, it doesn't feel like either of us have double the amount of work or any of that. It's just that we're constantly. I don't know. You just make my life easier.

That's so sweet. I mean, that's the way it should be. You know, the person should be bringing, you know, bringing you joy and happiness and helpfulness, and then hopefully the same is true for you, Thomas.

Absolutely. Yeah. She's been really supportive, obviously. You know, I started out in a job that I really didn't like, and now I found something much better. And she was supportive of me through that whole process, which was a lot of ups and downs in its own right. So I really appreciate you for that.

Wow. So wholesome.

This is kind of cute. This is sort of like Valentine's Day edition.

Valentine's Day is over.

It is mad because we found out that I am the better painter than she is.

Oh, yeah. We did, like, a paint and sip thing. You can see it. See it on my blog on Tik Tok.

To be fair, that probably wasn't a really high bar to pass. Yeah, yeah.

He's got a painting.

Jean.

Okay. Because of his mom. So.

Okay. So did you keep your artwork or.

Yeah, it's still. It's in the living room.

Check it out on TikTok.

Okay, nice. So, as we're wrapping up here, Thomas, do you have any advice for Stephanie as she goes through this process? I don't want advice.

No way.

No way. Sorry. That's just how we always end the podcast.

Nothing. Nothing helpful.

Yeah, no, you're doing great.

You're doing great. You don't need my advice.

Great.

That's the best advice. That's. That's. See you. You. You got all the good lines. That's. That's right. That's. Type stuff to say.

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