PA vs MD: Interview Prep

Well, as the president of the Stephanie Davis School of Physician Associates, I would like to offer you a follow up interview.

I accept.

I think you're in for me. Hi everybody and welcome to the podcast. This is Generations md. My name is Stephanie and I'm joined here by my colleague Dr. Sarah Davis, who's also my mother. Welcome.

Hello. Good to see you.

Good to see you. You're looking very blonde.

I did just get my hair done. Yes. Looks good. Actually. I was trying to go a little bit darker, but you know, I've got a new hairdresser now. We'll see how it all works out.

I don't know why this just remind me of this, but it was something like you came to talk to us in second grade as a doctor and, and you were like, just. It was like an open forum for second graders to ask questions to a doctor. I don't know what unit we are in. Maybe it was my brother Ryan, maybe it was his class, but somebody asked something about like, oh, I thought it was about old people, why they go gray, but I think it was about shrinking.

It was about shrinking. Yes. Yes, it was Ryan's class and it was Mia. And yeah, I mean, opening up the floor to second graders to ask questions is just always kind of dicey. And I was, I talked something about like growing and then I talked somehow I just mentioned the fact that as you get older, you do lose a little bit of height and so you. I guess I used the word shrink. Well, that was just way too much. And they kind of took that and ran with it. Especially Mia kept raising her hand. I was like, yes, Mia. And she's like, okay, so back to shrinking. And then, and then she felt like she did this like three times. Then her hand went up again and I said, mia, I'm not taking any more questions about shrinking. Like we're, we're moving on to other topics. Yeah, that, I mean, I guess she just imagined you got older and you just got smaller and smaller and smaller. And that was just like mind of a second grader.

Yeah. Well, I do think that having large group audience participation in general is a terrible idea.

It's a terrible idea.

At any age.

Never have that. Yes, at any age. Worse as you get older. But yeah, I mean, it is so much better now. I guess you guys have that, you know, you can just put a question into the chat or, and they can just answer the questions they want. But yeah, like just randomly having somebody raise their hand and ask you just any question off the top of their head. That's a terrible idea.

Well, I don't know. It still happens. That's what I think. I mean, in medical school, we'll have our whole class has to go to one lecture or something like that. And then they'll be like, oh, well, we want this to be interactive. You're like, no, this shouldn't be interactive. And I've been on the other side of it where I'm talking to a large group of people. Like, I've had to talk to the first years for a couple of things, just being on, like, student council and we get up there and, and I'm. When I'm talking to a big room of people, first of all, no way am I going to open the floor to have them ask questions. I'm going to have it like, either scan a QR code and they can ask questions via that, or I'm going to say, okay, you can come up to us after. Also, you have a, A subset of people that are. Are the types of people that are going to raise their hand in front of a group of 250 people. And that's not most people.

So it's not most people. And the idea, it's so egotistical to think that the other 240 people are really that interested in your question.

Yes, exactly. I think about this, I'm just like.

Like, what are you.

In the few instances where I've been In front of 250 people talking, I assume that nobody cares what I'm half to say.

Right, right.

Like, especially, I mean, the times that I've been there, people have chosen to be there, but I can't. Like, if you're being forced to be there, like, you don't have a choice. I'm just like, I don't. All I care about is being efficient and respecting everybody's time.

Yeah, yeah, it's. I guess it's, number one, that they like to hear themselves speak. And number two, I think that they're trying to, like, sound smart. A lot of times they just feel like somehow they're going to impress somebody with their question, I guess. Although, as I recall from medical school, nine times out of 10, whenever somebody asked a question, they would ask something that the speaker just said, like two minutes ago. And I felt like we ought to be able to, like, boo them or something. It's like he just explained that you zoned out, then you missed it, so you raised your hand and said. And asked the question when you clearly just showed that you were completely zoned out for the last two Minutes. Yeah. It drove me bananas thinking we only have this much time with the professor and then they're going to be gone and I've got to learn this material. And you're making him back up and repeat something that the rest of us heard because we were paying attention.

Yeah, just a bad idea.

Just a bad idea. Well, okay, moving on. I was doing some cleanup in our bookcase, and I found some things that I know you're really going to want for when you start your clinical rotations. These are super important, and I will show you how these can all fit in your pockets of your white coat. All right, the first thing you're going to need. This is called the Washington Manual, or as we just call it.

He's holding a books, by the way, guys, for our listeners, like a, a, a actual, like there's paper and you're, you're going to like, it's thick and there's spiral spine.

Yes.

I don't know if you guys have ever seen one of these before, but.

Yeah, this thing was indispensable. So it's called the Washington Manual. We just called it the WASH Manual. It actually came from the medical school at Wash U. But it has just, like, everything in here. This is like, perfect for like, intern year or third and fourth year, too, of like, you know, chapter 15, GI diseases, nausea and vomiting. You know, what do you do? These are some different medicines that you can give. Acute diarrhea, parasitic infections, all the different types. Chronic diarrhea just goes through, like, all of these different things, you know, really focusing on what you're supposed to do with this stuff. It's not, I mean, it tells you, like, what some of the causes are. But the main thing is like, okay, this patient has this. What am I supposed to do? And so you could just go through. And I mean, truly, we use this all day, every day. You had to have, like, if you got to work without your WASH Manual, I don't know what would happen to you. So I'll show you, you know. Well, I'll show you at the end where all this can go in your white coat, because I know you're really going to need all these things. So that's, that's an important one. Now this is important, too. You don't always carry this with you, but it's good to have this. The Bantam Medical Dictionary. This thing again, another kind of like, paperback book, but, like, super. I mean, look at how tiny this print is. I can't even read this today. I'll have to.

It Looks just like a. Like a dictionary that you would.

You would find.

If you've ever heard of that.

Yes. If you've ever heard. There used to be these things called dictionaries. Like, this has, like, almost 500 pages, and it goes through just all the different medical terms. Because, you know, when you were on your rotations and you heard some medical term, how are you going to know what it was? Well, if you, you know, if it was something that you hadn't learned already in your earlier years, you got to look it up. Look it up in the book. So, you know, got stuff like, you know, yellow fever. What's that? The yolk sac. You may remember that from embryology. Here's one that's in the dictionary. Physician, A registered medical practitioner who specializes in the diagnosing treatment of disease by other than surgical means. That's funny, because they used to actually call them. There were physicians and surgeons. Surgeons were not physicians. It was like. It was called, like, the American College of Physicians and Surgeons. What's the.

What's the year of this book?

Well, this was when I was in medical school. At that time, we did actually consider surgeons. Doctors.

Yeah, because you do the same school, like, Right. Was there separate schools?

A long time ago, there were separate schools. Surgeons came from barbers. They were people who were trained as, you know, in haircutting and shaving and then doing minor procedures, and then they would eventually learn more and more and become a surgeon. And then. Is that true? I don't know, but I think I remember them saying this when we were in medical school. So I never got any misinformation there.

Check the dictionary.

Yeah, they got barber in there. Yeah, I could look up surgeon. But isn't that funny that really, I didn't realize they were gonna make that discrepancy. I'm trying to look something up, and it takes a long time to look.

Yeah, that's what I was just thinking about, like, how much time was wasted just paging through. Yeah.

Okay, so this is. Okay, so surgeon. This is a qualified medical practitioner who specializes in surgery. Well, anyway. So anyway, here's all of that stuff. So you might want to carry this in your pocket as well. So. And I have. I actually have two of these if you, you know, want one for home, one for on the go. Okay. Here's another helpful thing. This is called the medical book of lists. You might want to have this in your pocket as well. This is a primer of differential diagnosis in internal medicine. So this is great when you're on rounds And a patient has a particular disease, and it has a list of the whole differential diagnosis for that disease. Like, for example, it has here hypoparathyroidism. And it has all the different causes of hypoparathyroidism. And so, you know, you can when. Because the attending might ask you, well, well, doctor, what are all of the different causes of hypoparathyroidism? And you've looked at it because you have a patient with that and you've studied this list. So this, this actually could be helpful. Put that down. Now, this one was a must as well. This is called.

This is a little book. This is the smallest one. All these other ones look like big dictionaries. And this is a little purple book.

Little purple book. It goes perfectly in your front pocket of your white coat. That's what it's made for. And this says pocket. I don't know if it's pronounced pharmacopoeia or pharmacopoeia. Anyway, it has all the different drugs in there. And you look them up by, like, endocrine, cardiovascular. It has the drug listed. It has dollar signs for how expensive it is. Like this one, streptokinase has like five dollar signs next to it. And then it tells you, you know, what, what, what the drug is used for, the doses that it's given in and, like, how to, like, how to give it in some cases. So that's going to be a must because, you know, going to prescribe a lot of drugs. And then this is in so many years.

And you put all of these in your white coat.

I will show you how it's done at the end. I'll do a demonstration. But this is a good one. Oh, look, this costs $20 back. I mean, that's like $100 in today's thing. That's expensive. The ABCs of interpretive lab data. So you get an abnormal lab. Like what, what does that mean? You can, like, look through here, all these, all these different lab tests. It also says, like, what tube to draw it, draw it, that kind of stuff. But then, like, you know, what the reference range is, what would be the causes of that abnormal lab. So that's going to be really helpful when you get different labs to, you know, look it up in there. And then I just got two more little pocket ones. This is a handy EKG interpretation one, you know, just a kind of handy reference guide if you forget how to interpret your EKGs. And then this, in case you're running a code, it's another handy Little book about while you're running, running code. How could you have time to look at the book? Okay, you probably really don't. But like the first time that you're on call and you are holding the code pager, this is a good thing to just reference. So as I said, just to kind of show you how you might walk around as an intern, you know, we're going to take this pharmacopoeia that's going to go just right up here. Handy. We can also put these other books up there as well. That's going to make, you know, now we got those things there. Get a few pens, you're going to need those. And now down here we're going to put our listeners.

She's putting all of her books in her white coat right now. I'll post a clip on Instagram @Generations MD, check it out.

So then you got the wash manual. That's got to go in this pocket right here because like I said, you're really going to need that one. We'll put the dictionary over here on the left. Then we can just squeeze in the medical book of lists and interpretive lab data there. Now if you can see me, I've got all of the books. It weighs maybe, you know, £10, £12. It feels about the same as the weighted vest that I now walk around in. And in fact, I do remember coming home from the hospital and being like, oh, my God, my shoulders are so sore from all of this weight that I was carrying in my white coat. So again, I'll, I'll share all these things with you. It's going to be super helpful when you're doing your clinicals.

What if I told you that you could take all of the information of all those books and put them all into something called the Internet? And then. Or even, or even to expedite the process more, you can, you can put it in up to date, or you can even use AI to just ask the question and it'll all pop up with all of the information from all of those books.

That's not possible. There's just no way telling me a little device like this can do as much as all of this.

That, I mean, talk about efficiency, like that is just. You're telling me that you have to stop and then look through a book. I don't even know how it would go about. Like looking through a book.

Yeah, I mean, and they're organized in different ways. Like I said, sometimes they're organized by systems, but. And you know, or some things are Alphabetical, but, you know, after a while, you kind of memorize where things are in the book.

This kind of reminds me when I went to Costa Rica and we had that guide who was a bird watcher and, and he had this big giant textbook full of different types of birds, and he would take his telescope and he would set it up and he would hear the bird call and he would find the bird and then he would say page 242, and then you'd flip to it and it would be the bird that he found on the telescope.

Yeah, he had it all memorized, right?

Yes.

What bird was on what page? Yes, it seemed impressive. Although probably it was like 10 birds, you know, like, I don't, you know, but he just. But he had those memorized on what page it was on and stuff. But yeah, and he'd be like, oh, come here, come here, look at this, look at this. Zero in on that bird.

I mean, so you're saying that on. You would do this as an intern or on third year or both?

Both. More like. Yeah, third year.

More.

Because, you know, you, you have a patient, they have certain things, and then you need to look up stuff about that patient because then you're going to present it to the attending and then they're going to ask you questions about the diagnosis or other things. And, you know, I mean, think about it. You're there in the hospital, like, there's no books around and there's no Internet and there's no computers. And so, like, how are you going to find out more information other than what you have in your head? But the attending is going to want more information than that. So. Yeah, so you look through the book, memorize that stuff, and try to be prepared for whatever questions the attending was going to ask you. And like I said that the Washu book, that was very important as an intern to just like, know what to do with various things as you're writing orders on people, because same thing, like, there's nowhere to look that up while you're there in the hospital.

And it was way better back in your day, right?

It was so much better. We had these books and.

Yeah, I'm sure there's still people who walk around with books.

Well, and I think I told you how when I was an intern, there was a third year supervising resident that I had who literally walked around with a suitcase that she pulled behind her that was full of books of like big giant textbooks and all kinds of stuff. And I mean, I've never. Nobody normal does that. I mean, you need, like I said, you needed to flip through and know a few things. There was no reason that you needed to, like, bring out some giant, you know, Robin's pathological basis of disease or whatever, like while you were there in the hospital as a resident. But she had him. She had them already. Yeah.

That's crazy. I mean, sometimes, even now when I'm working with doctors in the hospital or something, and yeah, they're saying something that I don't know, then I, I'll just look it up real quick. And sometimes I get concerned about, like, my dependency on looking things up. But, you know, you. When you don't know it, you do have to look it up. And now it's just way more efficient.

Yeah, well, and then you, then you learned it because you looked it up. And I mean, it's important too that, like, yes, there's. There's lots of those things you see over and over again and you're going to learn them. There's some things that you just don't see that often. And so you're, you can learn it, but if you don't see it again for two years, you're probably going to have to look it up then, too. That's fine.

I don't know if this is a completely true memory, but I do feel like I remember in elementary school and stuff them telling us that you learned better if you found something in a book versus if you, like, looked it up online. Like I remember them like in. We did have computer class and we learned how to Google and stuff like that and how to use the Internet. But then I also remember them being like. Well, like, like I remember going to the encyclopedias and being like, you need to like, go find stuff in the encyclopedias and learn that way because they're going to learn more from flipping through a book.

It's funny.

Yeah.

It's very dated, isn't it? That must have been. That was either was like the thinking at the time or it's just the bias of somebody who they themselves learned from books and can't understand how somebody could learn not from books. I don't know. I don't know. That's. That's funny though.

Yeah. And I mean, I think that I really do hope just in regards to like looking stuff up on rounds and all of that. Like people still use. Up to date, people are still hesitant to use ChatGPT just because it's not always accurate when looking stuff up. It's just like something like chat makes it so easy to just, just say exactly what's happening? Just say I have a patient who has this. Tell me more about it. Like I have this patient has hypoparathyroidism. What could be causes of this? Bam. And then just kind of bring it down more. Okay. That they're like, this is their history, whatever, tell me more about that. And it's so easy. And now there's some, there's a couple of other things and I'm sure upto date will have more of a. If you don't know what up to date is, it's just like more just looking stuff up on the Internet except just with reliable studies.

So.

But I think there's gotta be an AI component if there isn't already to make it easier to just look stuff up.

Yeah, I mean that's just what you want. It's like tell me, tell me all.

The latest literature and there's open evidence actually, which I do use a lot, which is only peer reviewed articles. But it's just not, the language is just not as good as something like ChatGPT because it's just. We'll give you like here's a blurb of this article, here's a blurb of this article, here's the general consensus. But it doesn't lay it out and teach it to you as well as something like ChatGPT does.

Are you just saying that because you know, Chat's listening?

I do love chat. But no, no, open evidence is really good. Especially it's just like, I don't know, it's all about efficiency now and, and doing it better and, and it, I don't think it learns like you as well. Like it's just kind of just summarizes stuff. Just like when you look up something on Google now and it'll say like have an AI summary. It's more like that. It doesn't like that doesn't know your language, you know. Yeah.

Your style and all that. When you like log into Chat, do you ever say things like hi Chat, how are you doing today?

No, that's, you're like using energy when you do that or something.

I don't know, I'm just getting nice polite stuff out into the atmosphere. And I always thank Chat for his help. My Chat is a guy, I don't know why, but he's like, you know, I say oh thank you so much Chat, really appreciate you.

You're using energy every single time you do that.

I have plenty of energy.

No, not your energy, the like, oh, you're increasing your carbon footprint.

Oh come on there's. I don't think me saying thanks is really, like, destroying the planet. It was. The planet was just fine. And then I said thanks, and everything just exploded.

That's some Boomer thinking right there.

Okay, should we bring in our next guest? Yes, Our guest for the day. Okay. Please. Welcome to the podcast, Lily. She is my medical assistant, Generations MD editor, and she is applying to PA School, and she has an interview next week. Yay, Lily.

Lily is the backbone of this organization. Yeah. But. Hi, Lily. Welcome back to the podcast.

How are you doing?

I'm doing good.

Yeah.

I'm super stressed out, but also excited, so kind of a bit of both. Just plugging along.

Well, we know she's going to do fantastic, but just to make sure, let's try asking you a few questions. Lily, we're going to pretend that this is your PA school interview, and here's some things I would like to know. You can't peek at this. Nope. What challenges do you think PAs will face in the next 10 years?

Okay, that's a good question. Well, some of the challenges that I feel like they face now is that people don't really understand, like, what a PA is. Exactly. Especially there's been that controversy with the name change of it, you know, the physician assistant versus physician associate. So I think in the next 10 years, that will definitely. It'll change a little bit more. I think we're kind of going more towards the physician associate side, but I really hope that patients will start to kind of understand exactly what their role is rather than just not understanding. There's some people that do not want to see a physician assistant because I think they just don't have that knowledge of what it truly is. So I think in the next few years, there's still going to be a lot of trouble with that, but it will end up getting better, hopefully.

I can't believe you're just putting her on the spot like that.

What do you mean? We also. What? She can edit out what she doesn't like of this interview?

Yeah, no, that would be perfect. You can if you could edit your PA school interview.

Right, Exactly. Right.

Wait, I didn't know that they were changing from PA assistant to associate. Is that something that already happened or.

Yeah, that happened a couple. I think, like a couple years ago. It's. It's. It's changing now. It's not. Some people really like it, some people don't really like it. So it's kind of controversy with it.

I would say the doctors don't really like it. To be honest, I find it very confusing. You know, like, what, what does that mean? Like, there's a physician, Physician associate. Is that a friend of a physician? Is it like you're working with physician? It's. To me, it's very. It's. I think it's confusing for the patients. And, and the thing that I do find confusing for patients is like, when PAs don't explain who they are and that they present themselves as a physician. That's what, like, you know, that's what bothers me as a physician. So this is probably not really like in your interview, but just like, what if, if somebody calls you, oh, hello, Dr. Ward, how are you doing? How do you handle that? Right.

I mean, the way I would think is obviously you want to correct them and let them know. Because I think there is a big difference between a doctor and a pa. Obviously, the schooling and the amount of things that they can prescribe and do things, they're not interchangeable. And so I think it's. You're supposed to definitely make it clear that it's. Yeah, like, I'm not a doctor. I'm actually a pa. I can do a lot of the things that a doctor can do, but I'm still not a doctor. I didn't go to all of that schooling.

What is the role of a pa now?

You're really on the spot.

I am, I am. Okay. So from my understanding, a PA is a provider and they can diagnose and treat and see patients depending on the state. It can be on their own or it can be with collaborating physician. So it's only a two to two and a half, sometimes three year program.

I mean, to me, the important part is that a PA is part of the team and you have, you know, you just, like you have doctors, you have nurses, you know, you have PAs that work with the physician, but to me should be under a supervising physician because again, they're part of the team. There's lots and lots of things they can do. There's lots and lots of things that they cannot do and are not trained to do. I would say, like just with any team, if somebody starts to kind of get out of their lane and are doing something that another member of the team is supposed to be doing, or that's their role. I think that that's when things can get not optimal for the patient. But let's go on to some other questions for you. Okay. How would you handle a situation where a patient refuses a treatment that you strongly recommend?

Yeah, I think first off, I would be non confrontational with them, but I would get to the bottom of why they didn't really like the treatment that I was thinking, kind of really understand on a personal level, like what's going on, what's their thought process, process with it. I would then show my side of the story of what I'm thinking for it, why I really think this is a great idea. Ultimately it is the patient's decision, so I'm not going to force them to do anything. But I would still give my side of the story my judgment and really persuade them that this is the right course of action. But ultimately, if that's not something that they would like, that is completely up to them.

Lily, are you. How are you prepping for this interview? Are you making my. Or is my mom just coming out of nowhere just asking you questions like this?

Oh, no, I mean, I definitely. So I'm sure, you know, with your medical school interviews too, there's kind of like the big five questions or so, like, why do you want to be a pa? What is a PA Is another one. So that's one of the big ones A time you've struggled. It's more, I would say, my preparing for it. I read this book that I had. It's the pre PA interview guide from Savannah Perry, Shout Out. But anyways, it's a really nice book and I've read almost cover to cover. Now I've got the upgraded version of ChatGPT so that I can talk with him, which is super cool. And so I've done a couple of questions like that. I will say some of these are more in depth, but it's what I want, you know, I want to feel uncomfortable. I want to get that raw experience with it.

So see what she's saying. She likes me. Now, it might have Chat came up with these questions, you know, but I did ask Chat specifically questions that I could ask her on our podcast. So that's why they're a little bit tailored, maybe like, you know, slight, slightly different from everything. We're just, we're just trying to do some practice here.

Okay.

And especially, you know, if other people are listening and they might think about how they would answer any of these questions if they are applying to PA school. But yes. So I want to know, yeah, if there's like, you've got a supervising physician, you had this plan, you present it, and they say, oh, no, I don't think we should do that. I think we should do this. How are you going to handle that?

I mean, I feel like I would handle it kind of the same way as with a patient as well. I would obviously ask them their reasoning behind things to get a better understanding of why they didn't like my plan. I would be very non confrontational about it, but I would still stand my ground for what I believed in, explain what my thought process was with it and see where we differ. I understand that they have more schooling than I do, so ultimately I do value their opinion, definitely. But I would still at least say my thought process with it. Should there be an error? Like maybe that's something that's going on. Maybe there's an error on their side of things. All of this in a very non confrontational, teamwork side of conversation.

Yeah, I think that sounds good.

Do you know, for the administration and professors and stuff at a PA school, are they PhDs, PAs, MD a mix? Do you know?

I think it's more of a mix. I know at least like the one that I was looking at, there are a handful of like just PAs that are like the professors, so maybe it's a PA and then they also got their PhD. That could be. I think it's more tailored towards like professors and PAs, though. I think.

Yeah, just curious, like the types of people that you're going to be talking to.

Yeah, I think from what I've seen too, a lot of it is like the professors slash teachers. PAs that are in the program that will be the ones doing the interview, depending on the style of interview. So yeah, the one I'm doing is a panel interview, so I think I'll have three to five or so staff members that'll be asking me questions for half an hour or so.

Peppering you.

Yeah.

Is there other people in your interview as well?

So the first day is, I think, a group of us. I don't even know how big the group is, but I do think this is the last couple interviews for the season at this school. So I know like the first day it'll be more orientation side of things, talking with prospective students and other students that are in the program. And then the next day is just the interview with the staff members.

Nice.

Okay, I've got another question and I'll try to be like again, this kind of hard questions. Yeah. But tell me about a time when you faced failure or rejection and how, how did you handle it?

I got this question on every single one of my med school interviews. Oh, some sort of thing of tell me about a time that you failed.

Mm.

I saw those two. That's within the book. Saying like that's gonna be one you gotta know. And I think I got a pretty good answer for it. I mean, pretty obvious, but maybe not to them, but for you. You know this already. I applied to PA school once already and I didn't get in the first time. I definitely saw this as a failure at the time, but now that I look back at it, it was one of the best things that probably could have happened for me. I, I, since getting that failure, that rejection, it really pushed me to do better the next time around. And I, here I am trying. I got a lot of patient care experience. I even took a couple years in between just because I truly enjoyed what I was doing. And I also got so much knowledge from this patient care experience from Dr. Davis right here, just teeing this up. So I really do think that this failure actually set me up for more success in the future.

Yeah, that's great.

How did you answer that question, Stephanie?

Yeah, I had a story about how I was drawing blood on a kid in your office. So for our listeners who don't know, I was doing the same role that Lily is currently doing, working for my mom as a medical assistant. And, and I said a story about how I was really confident in my blood drawing skills. And then there's this six year old girl who came in and I told the mom that I had it covered, that I could definitely draw her blood. But the truth was that I had never drew blood from a kid before and I wanted to make them feel comfortable. So I kind of like over promised and I didn't end up like getting the blood.

I don't even know if you stuck the needle in. I think she started screaming, yeah, suck the needle.

Like multiple, I don't know. I told the whole story a lot more eloquently. She stuck the needle in, didn't work. Suck the needle. And didn't work. And I realized that I failed and I felt really bad because I made this child cry and I, I worried the mom. So I realized that although, like I want to make my patients feel comfortable, you can never be 100 sure on something and you have to be able to manage expectations well. Still, like making your patients feel secure.

It gives me some ideas too because I like my answer for that because I think it is something to build upon, but I also feel like it's not much of a story. I have other stories that I know for other questions, but yeah, yeah, sometimes.

They like the story.

That's what I, yeah, I like, I mean, I didn't read a book or Anything. But for. For my. That's. I feel like the biggest thing that I did was I had three or four stories that I could apply to lots of different questions. Like that story, I would apply to some sort of form of telling you about a time that you failed. I'm trying to think of other ones that I had. I. I don't know. I had just different experiences and stories from that that I. That I could apply to different questions. So someone would ask me something and I'd be like, okay, well, I can. I. I have that in the back of my head. And I would kind of just weave it into whatever the question was.

I feel like it worked out just the story some as needed.

I mean, I would somehow kind of tie it back into the. I'd be like, oh, yeah. Well, when I was doing research at this summer, and I did this, this, and this, and. And that taught me that I am. My greatest weakness is this.

Well, I think that the nice thing about the story stuff, it just makes it a little more memorable. Yeah, I think that's. I think that can be. You're just trying to stand out.

Yeah.

Just trying to make yourself stand out a little bit. I don'. That's. I feel like your answer, though, is. I don't know. It's a good answer because it's really. It's important. And you did do all the stuff that you needed to do to improve your application.

Yeah, I don't know. I think that's really good. I think, like, taking it and being like, instead of just jumping from. And then I got this experience, and I grew as a person in the. I. I don't know if I read this somewhere. I kind of just adapted it. But instead of saying, like, I grew from this experience, like, showing how you grew from this experience or telling that through a story, like, saying, okay, I. Then I got this job working for Dr. Davis. And through that, I did this, this, and this.

Right.

Instead of saying, and through that job, I improved on my clinical skills. Like, not saying I improved on my clinical skills, but being like, now I can, like, I work with patients. I see. I've seen this many patients. I've done this. You know what I'm saying?

Definitely, yeah. I mean, as soon as I finished, too, I was like, you know what? Maybe I should have said something like, gone into more detail about the experience that I actually did. Like, worked in the er. I can draw blood now. I work here. I worked as a medical assistant in a pediatric office. So, like, so many different things that I did during that. So. Yeah, that's.

Yeah, yeah, I know.

You're like, yeah, instead of saying like, I grew in my confidence with patient care or I improved on my patient care skills, being like, well, I worked here, here and here and I saw a bunch of patients and like saying a story about and showing your, your patient care experience rather than saying, I'm good at patient care, you know?

Yeah, yeah. I mean, and I, I'm just thinking of like actual examples like our patients who, you know, previous employees couldn't get their blood drawn, not naming any names and that just, you know, I'm thinking of that one patient that you always get him in his hand and stuff and he wants blood drawn all the time. And, and he used to always have to, for the last 20 years, had to go to the lab to get his blood drawn, which is just a huge pain for him. And now he comes in, Lily gets it like every time. And that's just, that's made a big difference for him. So I don't know. I mean, I just kind of think of him as an example and maybe sort of shaping around the story and like how, you know, that has, it's improved you. But it's like that's been really helpful for that patient. I don't know, I'm just, just, just thinking of some of those specific examples. Oh, that's a good one. Let me, I just have one more question for our applicant. In one sentence. Why should we admit you? One sentence. That's kind of hard. Because I'm great.

That's what I would say.

Yeah.

I would say in one sentence, you should admit me because of the type of person I am.

That's good.

I like it. I'm sold. Well, as the president of the Stephanie Davis School of Physician Associates, I would like to offer you follow up interview and I accept. I think you're in for me at.

The Stephanie Davis PA school.

No, I just know Lily and I know that she's going to make an incredible pa. So I don't need to do the interview. Okay. Any final closing thoughts? Lily, Anything to plug?

No plugs. Just everybody wish me luck next week.

Yay. She's gonna do fantastic.

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