Taking Risks and Enjoying the Journey with Dr. Nicholas Macpherson

Graduated from fellowship on June 30, and I went to work July 1.

Oh, wow.

I'm going to work. Like, it's been 11 years since I went to college.

I'm going to work starting a job.

Hi, everybody.

This is Generations md. My name is Stephanie Davis, and I am joined here by My colleague, Dr.

Sarah Davis, also my mother.

We are super excited for today's episode. We have Dr. McPherson, cardiologist.

Yeah. We're continuing our series on various specialties to learn more about what it's like to do a number of different specialties in medicine. But just to recap, we so far had Dr. Heidi Flagg, who said, don't be an OB GYN. Then we had Dr. Geiser who said that the juice is not worth the squeeze. So now we're going to find out if cardiology is something that people should want to go into.

This is opposite of your prediction that said that everybody is going to say that they wouldn't go back and change their specialty.

That's right. Everybody is saying, like, yeah, no, don't do it.

Yeah.

But they're also saying, don't be a doctor. So we got that, too.

Yeah, exactly.

I'm so excited for our guest today is Dr. Nicholas McPherson, who is a fantastic cardiologist here in Dallas, Texas. I send him many patients and he takes great care of them. And he's also a heck of a nice guy. So introduce himself.

Both important.

Yeah. So tell us a little about your path and stuff.

Well, yeah, first of all, thank you for having me. This is great. It's great what you're doing, because you're right, med school is a very. You don't get exposed to a lot of things and a lot of how a lot of doctors practice medicine. So it's great to expose people to that. I grew up North Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Both my parents are doctors. So they're both internists. They're both academic internists. My mom worked for many years at University of Pittsburgh Medical center and was very involved in kind of academics there. My dad was a. An internist at the VA and involved in leadership there.

Oh, interesting.

And then uncles and aunts, and it's kind of, in a lot of ways, the family business a little bit. And so that's my. That was my first kind of exposure to medicine. Went to college in Central New York at corporate Cornell, where I was biology all the way through. And kind of just said, I guess I'll be a doctor. Not in like, a way that that's all I. It's just Kind of what I thought I wanted to do. And then I never ended up finding anything I liked more than it.

Yeah.

Like, I didn't really explore too much, to be honest with you.

But were your parents encouraging of that or discouraged?

They were. I guess they were encouraging, but not in a way that, like, you should do this. Like, I wasn't pushed into it. They said, like, this is what it's like. Like, this is, you know. You know what it's like. If you want to do it, this is the road ahead, and do it. And if you find other things. I have a sister who didn't take that route, and that's okay, too. I never found anything I enjoyed, I guess, intellectually more than biology and medicine. And so I just kind of kept at it. And I, you know, passed all the classes, I guess, and never was kicked out of the, you know, good job, punted away from, like, you're not gonna get into medical school. And so, yeah, so applied to medical school, senior year, ended up going to Northwestern in Chicago. You know, kind of pretty standard med school experience, at least when I went. And then, you know, you decide if you want to go medicine or surgery, whatever. And I found that I like medicine, internal medicine. I liked the variety of it. I liked all that, you know, all the stuff that comes with that, like.

Sitting around thinking, hmm, what could this be?

Yeah, right. I can round for four hours. I'm okay with that. I liked everything. I really did. I mean, there wasn't one thing I. Within reason. There wasn't one thing I didn't like. And medicine was the broadest. And I said, I'll just do that.

And just to interrupt for our listeners to explain. So a cardiologist, does they first do a residency in internal medicine for three years, and then after that they do a fellowship in cardiology? So somebody doesn't have to decide if they want to be a cardiologist. They can go into internal medicine and then decide if they want to do a fellowship in GI or cardiology or rheumatology or one of the many other fellowships that are out there. So, anyway, just thought I'd explain that.

Yep. Yeah, absolutely. It's a long path. It gets confusing, and then there's obviously lots more you can do within it. But. But, yeah, so I decided medicine, and I liked cardiology. You get some exposure to it in medical school. Not a ton, but I thought it was interesting. But I liked everything about medicine. And then at the end of my third year of medical school, the best thing that ever happened to Me happened. I met my wife, my now wife. We actually met in the hospital.

How romantic. Meet cute.

Meet cute. In the VA Hospital, west side of Chicago. It was anyway, but that was fantastic. So I matched at the University of Pittsburgh, which is where I'm from. I went back there for my three year medicine residency and my wife joined me a year later and then we got married.

Was she doing internal medicine?

She was. So she was an internal medicine resident at Northwestern.

Wait, so she was. You were a med student? She was a resident. You see this kind of Grey's Anatomy.

You can't help when you meet the love of your life.

Was she your supervising resident?

No. Okay.

Okay. We're trying to get.

The two are very quick at that answer. Okay.

It was all above board. Very, very careful about that. No, I knew. I knew right away and then I knew right away. But anyway, then, yeah, so then she moved to Pittsburgh. And so I did three years of residency at Pitt and then I did a chief resident year, which is an extra year. You kind of stay on for an extra year. And it's just an extra year that.

It'S an extra year.

That looks good on it.

It does look good because you have to be asked to be chief.

So at this point, did you know that you wanted to then subspecialize?

Yeah, so. So I did. That's a good question. So I. I think I wanted to. I knew I wanted to do cardiology pretty early on in residency, and that's because I had really good experiences in the cardiac intensive care unit and on the war, the cardiology floors and consults kind of early on. And I just found that I liked the diseases, which I think is the most important. And I liked the patients. I liked the complexity. I liked sick people. You have to like sick people because people get sick when their hearts are sick. And if you don't like sick people, you shouldn't do it, honestly. And I just liked the pace of things and I thought it was intellectually interesting. And you can kind of see, and this has been true, thankfully, where the field is going. It's a very, like, growing field, obviously, just because there's a lot of disease out there, we'll talk about that. But I just. I really liked it. And so I kind of knew early on. And so I did a lot of research. You have to do research and kind of get, you know, get your application. Medicine's just one big series of applying.

Apply over another match.

Never ends. You think it's over and then. Nope. Medicine residency and then chief year and then apply, you apply to fellowship, which is another match. And by that point we had had our first kid. And my wife, who was from here, really wanted to get back home and I would do anything for her, so. But luckily, you know, I really liked Dallas. Like, I'd never, I'd never actually been to Dallas before I met her, but I applied broadly, but I, we applied to everywhere. And luckily the program that I like, actually honestly liked the most happened to be in Dallas. And that was UT Southwestern. So I ranked them 1 I got lucky enough to match there. And so that's what brought me to Dallas. And then that's a three year fellowship.

Damn.

It just goes on and on.

Long, long fellowship.

Well, I mean, and then I cut it short. Like I have friends that are still training. Basically that's just to be a general cardiologist, which is what I am. And you can go on to do interventional, which is at least another year, usually 2. Electrophysiology is 2, heart failure is 1. There's even more stuff that's coming out. But general cardiology, to just be a general practicing cardiologist is three years. I had initially kind of thought I wanted to be an academic doctor, like work in an academic center. And I just like teaching and I liked that kind of environment. And then I just found I like taking care of patients and kind of being out in the world and being in practice and being out in the community. And so that's kind of where I focused my job search. And I looked at a bunch of jobs and got lucky enough to meet my current boss, Tony Das, who's been in practice here for a long time. And he started his own practice. And then I met him and he said, do you want to come work for me? My practice is opening in a month. I had no idea the, that that was possible. I had no clue that you could do that. Covid hit like a month after that. And so, but I, you know, the opportunity to, and we'll talk about this as well, but the opportunity to like, be a part of a new, growing, kind of independent, fast moving practice where you can kind of set your own rules was pretty cool, within reason, obviously, you know, and so I said, all right, well, let's do that.

Yeah.

And so that was. So I joined. I mean, I, I graduated from fellowship on June 30, and I went to work July 1.

Oh, wow.

I'm going to work. Like it's been 11 years since I went to college.

I'm going to work, starting a job.

It's time to work. We got another kid at that point. Like, it's time to work. But yeah, that was July of 20.

2020.

So that was the fact. So it was 11 years post high school.

Wow.

No. 11 years post college.

Wow. Okay. Your optimism is really encouraging. I feel like the way that you talk and say that you liked things. Things. I like to say that I'm also like a. A Nepo doctor child. So, like, both my parents are doctors and my dad always says that he chose internal because it's the one that he disliked the least.

That's. So that's okay.

Yeah, but it's just like, I really actually appreciate the amount of times that you said you enjoyed things and that you liked things. I mean, he's also been. He's been practicing for a lot longer now, but still. So I think that is like, encouraging to hear, just like some optimism and some enjoyment.

There's definitely things you don't like and, you know, like. Or there's things in medical school where you go, you know, this is fun and I can do this for the month that I'm on this service and I don't ever want to do that again.

Yeah, this might be a dumb question, but, like, what do you do on the day to day and do you operate?

It's a great question. So general non invasive cardiology. So my day and a lot of this is a function of kind of our practice and we're pretty nimble and we go a lot of different places. So not everyone is like this. But my day's pretty variable. But there's definitely routine. So a lot of it is office based, seeing patients in clinic. You know, we're clinic five days a week, regardless of whatever else is going on, or at least I am. But a day might also involve going to the hospital and rounding on new patients, old patients, patients that have had procedures done by either myself or my partners. I do two procedures mainly. One of them is called a transesophageal echo, which is an ultrasound of the heart from inside the body. And then a cardioversion, which is a shock treatment. Those are the only two real procedures that I do. So those get scheduled every now and then. I do a lot of stress test reading, like reading radiology studies for about the heart, echocardiogram stress tests, CT scans.

Of the heart.

You know, and then whatever else comes up. As, you know, things come up that they either take 10 seconds to deal with or they kind of, ooh, we gotta stop everything we're doing and really deal with this. There's routine to it. There's definitely, like, routine to it, but it's also one of the things about medicine is you're ready to kind of flip at the drop of a hat, depending on what comes in or what.

You need to do. So are you. I know you said you ran in the hospital, but, like, how often are you on call? And, like.

Yeah, we take call because we cover a bunch of hospitals. We probably are on call for each hospital maybe once or twice a month as a group, maybe more than that, depending on the hospital. And then for the practice, for our practice, we take call a week at a time, and that's one in every five or six weeks, depending.

And taking call for the practice is more just like phone calls of patients. Okay. Not necessarily phone calls.

After hour calls. And then rounding on the weekends.

Okay.

Rounding. You know, in the hospital. Just depends on who's where. But it's weekends as well.

Yeah. What does your wife do?

She. She stays at home with our three children, which is harder than. Her job. Was an internist previously, but she was. So she was an internist. She had a practice when we were in Pittsburgh, she was in practice and kind of a private practice. And then when she was. When we came down here, she worked at UT Southwestern for about. For a little bit, kind of as a general internal, general internist.

So are your kids young? How old are they?

I have three. There's seven, about to be four and one.

Oh, my goodness.

So I had one in residency, one in fellowship, and then our baby.

Finally. When you got a job?

Finally I got a job. That was a fun one.

That's a fun one.

Because.

Do you like what you do?

Good question. I do. And that answer may have been different, like, through the years, I feel like I am in a very good job, and that helps a lot. And I kind of lucked out with how I met Tony and kind of got this job. But I like what I do. There's challenges. Like, there's some annoying things that happen. And that's true with everything. I think there's no perfect job. I like the field. I think I like cardiology a lot. I think it's. It's interesting, it's exploding, it's changing. There's always new stuff. Yeah, I like what I do.

Yeah. You talked about a little bit how when you met Tony and then starting going into this new practice, that I guess can be considered kind of risky. And I feel like there's a lot of pathways you can take in any sort of career where it's like, okay, do I take this risk or do I go work for some big hospital, some big group or whatever? Like, how did you make that decision? And like, it seems like it went well.

What do you think are the kind of pros and cons of this?

Great, great question. I think that we talked a lot about the decision. Like my, my, my choice when I was going to sign my contract was this job or a big hospital employed job, which would have been a great job. It was a great practice, great hospital system. We actually work at that hospital. It's our main supporting hospital. So we still work very closely with them. The opportunity to be being on the ground ish floor of something that is new and exciting and can be nimble, which was very important in Covid especially like just to kind of pivot to what are we gonna do and kind of have opportunities that you can just kind of do because it's just you. And there's not a lot of kind of oversight. Oversight may be the wrong word, but not a lot of bureaucracy over.

Yeah. Kind of layers of administrative stuff. And yeah.

I have to clear what I want to do with Tony and my partners and you know, the law and your wife and my. Well, that's obviously the first call, but, but you know, you just kind of, you want, do you want to do this? Is it going to be good for the patients? Is it good for the practice? Is it good for you? If so, then let's try it. Within reason. Right?

Yeah.

And we've done a lot of things like that. We put a CAT scanner, a CT scanner in our office.

Oh, wow.

It lifted in through a crane through the side of the building. And so just things like that that you can't. It's harder to do in a bigger system, I think have been great now, like, was there some risk joining a startup practice? We were supported by the hospital, so that helped. And Tony has been in practice for 20 years and has the reputation that he has, which was very helpful. But yeah, I think that was the, that's the major thing we had to talk about. Like, is this gonna work out?

Yeah.

You know, I mean, you're kind of betting on your. Yourself a little bit, which I think is good. Right. And I think doctors, at least in my experience, don't have a lot of business training or sense.

Or risk tolerance.

Or risk tolerance. I mean, and that's, you know, you trained for 11 years. You got debt, you've got family to take care of. Like, you've been, you've been delaying your Life for so long that to take that kind of risk is not something that I think we're conditioned to do.

Yeah, right, right. It's kind of. It's hard to calculate what that risk is, how successful it's gonna be. I mean, you know, you're gonna be able to get patients and, you know, make it. I think you're gonna be able to cover your overhead. You're gonna, you know, you're gonna be able to make a salary. But, you know, how long is it gonna take till it becomes mature and all that? And I don't know how, you know, I mean, I think I'm. I think I met you. Cause you came by to, like, say, hey, I'm a cardiologist.

That's exactly right. That's a big part of it. Yeah, that's a big part of it.

And you kind of show your face to the primary care doctors and, you know, make sure we feel comfortable sending patients to you. Has it taken longer or shorter to kind of get to where you were hoping to be?

That's a great question. Tony told me when I came in, like, it's not going to happen quickly because I thought, I'm going to come in and in a month I'm going to be super busy. And everyone's. And he was like, doesn't work like that. I've been doing this a long time. It doesn't work like that. It's okay. Yeah. I would say that it probably took a longer than I thought it would.

Yeah.

But that's just because, you know, you have to realize, like, who am I? I'm just some. I'm like, I just graduated and I'm walking into offices and like, hey, here's my card. Like, send me whoever you want. And. But you find if you're nice to people and you provide good service and you're. You're available.

Yeah.

Which is really important. And then capable. Which is. Yeah, maybe a little less important, but important. But. But if you're. If you're nice to people and you provide good service and the patients like you. Because the PAT will tell. Right. If they don't like you, then that word gets out.

And then they're gonna let me know for sure if they like you and if they like your office and if they like your staff and.

Oh, yeah, we have a fantastic staff.

That's so our staff.

Our staff is better than the doctors are.

So I'm not saying that about my staff.

Yeah, well, yeah, but that's huge. But it did. It took a while. I Mean, you have to. You have to. People have to know you. I mean, it takes a while. I mean, you know, you're sending people that are like, hey, their heart, like, probably their most important organ may be failing. Like, fix it, please. And that's a big deal.

Yeah, Well, I think that's good information, too. And I think that, you know, to me, it's like, yeah, it takes longer than you think that it should at the beginning, but then. But then it does come around. I don't think it ever. I mean, I've been doing this practice for 21 years, and I don't think I ever have gotten to a point where I'm just like, okay, now I'm just gonna kick back and be on the lazy train. I mean, it's like, you still always have to be, well, you know, doing what you do and trying to do it well, and, you know, trying to continue to do stuff for your patients so that your practice continues to thrive. It is very worth it. I love being the boss. It's just, you know, when I sit there and when I do get stressed about something in my practice, it's all up to me. If I want to do something different, I can just say, oh, well, you know what? That's causing me stress. Okay.

And then tell me to do it.

And then tell you when you read books about people who are stressed or what causes stress. And so much of it is lack of control. And so when you are working for a big hospital system. Well, like, I worked for a bigger hospital system in the. When I first. My very first practice for the first few years before I opened my own practice. And what they told me was, we're gonna take the stress of running a business off your plate. We're going to let you just focus on being a doctor, and we'll worry about everything else, which sounds really great, you know, but it's not, because everything is still my problem. It's just there's nothing I can do about it. And that's what that whole. That's, like, the big lie that I think that happens to, you know, people coming out of training, and they're just.

Like, oh, okay, Drew, all I have.

To do is focus on medicine. But you don't. You still have to. You still have to run. You still have to do all the things that you need to do to run the business. And then somebody else is telling you, oh, yeah, you're not seeing enough patients. Like, that's. That's what it ends up being.

I mean, you came out of training Kind of recently, like, it doesn't seem like that's kind of. You're getting less and less option of having that kind of autonomy. Like you. It's mostly people are getting bought up and bought up and bought up. And now.

Yeah, that's where everyone's going.

Yeah.

And that's okay. I mean, there's nothing inherently, I guess, wrong with that. It's okay. It's what you want. I think that this way is better for me. It is. But you have to be. I really do think you have to be the type of person that can thrive in that kind of thing. Like, are you the type of person that can go out and meet people and can keep pushing? Or like, if you wanna sit and be, like, fed, then there's ways to do that. But you're gonna give up some control and some control of your life. But if you're gonna go hunt and grow and you have that kind of desire to do that and you wanna do different things, then this is the way to do it. And I do think there's room for all people. I just personally think this is more fun, but much more enjoyable, honestly.

Do you feel like since you were in like 11 years of training, do you feel like you. During that time in your life, do you feel like you just put your head down and then just did that? Just get through, get through, get through? Like, do you have any, I guess, regrets going back and being like, oh, I wish I kind of enjoyed that was. That was 11 years of my life?

It's a great question. I mean, my wife and I talk about this all the time. Like, that, you know, just the danger of, like, I just have to get through that mentality is. Then you look up and you go, whoa, what happened to. There were some times where I was like, this is terrible, and I don't want to take the boards next month. And I just. But. But I mean, when I look back on it now with the hindsight of, like, being happy and where I am, like, there are a lot of very good times. Like, there's a lot of fun medical school. There's a lot of fun times in medical school. You. You learn a ton. It's fun stuff. It's what you thought you'd want to do, right? So now you're doing it. You made it like, that's a big cut to get to medical school. That is probably the big cut. And you know, you remember kind of the fun times. And then wrapped in that is, I met my wife and had three children and moved to Dallas, like, that's all awesome things, right? So I think that. Yeah, I think when I look back, it's mostly good memories, but that's being out of training. Right. That's like being here now. What I like to tell people is, like, don't get too down on when you're training. Like, don't get too down. If something happens, don't get, like, it will reverse itself. You'll get through it. And it's. It's fun. Like, it's. It's a fun time in your Life. It's your 20s, it's your 30s, early 30s.

It's your 30s.

You should enjoy it because things start breaking when you hit your mid-30s. And no, it. I look back on it, it was.

A lot of fun. That's good to hear. Yeah. That's what. Just going, like, starting this journey. I'm just scared because so many people say, oh, you're gonna waste your 20s doing this. You're gonna waste your time. And, like, I know that this is what I want to do, but it does make me nervous. Like, I don't. I want to be able to have other things in my life other than my career. And clearly you did it with having, like, your wife and your kids and, like, other parts. And I. Yeah, I'm scared of just, like, forgetting everything else and just being so focused on my career, which I think so many people do.

Yeah, I hear that. I mean, there. There are definitely points in medical school and training where, like, that is true.

Yeah.

Like, you have to study.

Yeah.

Like, my friends, when they got out of college, went to work, and then when they got off work, they just went home. Right, right. Or they went to grad school. But, you know, I'd be like, I have to go study. Like, I have. I have the boards. Like, I can't. So there. There are times like that. Like, it's just how it is. There's a lot to learn. You've got to learn it because you're gonna be a doctor.

It's important.

Like, it's so. Yeah, there's. There's no way around that. Like, that's never gonna go away. But, like, for example, all of my. I have Tony, and I have two other partners. We all have three kids. We all do our darndest to get out of clinic by 5:30. Now, obviously, things change, and you have to be available 24 7. You know, your phone is always on. You're always answering it, but you can definitely do that if you want. I mean, we all go home to our Families. And so I get that. It is true. Like, a lot of your 20s are going to be studying and being in the hospital, and that's okay. Like, you. Ideally, you have professional fulfillment, and that's like. That's a huge thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And residency is residency. It just is.

Yeah.

You know, and fellowship is fellowship, and there's. There's very light parts of it, and there's. I see. There's ICU months where you're like, well, this is what I do.

So. Yeah, there are times like that, but then there's other times that aren't like that. And I think that especially, like during those times in medical school where you have to study hard. I mean, there are times when you. No, it's okay. You don't have to. You already know the material. You don't have to kill yourself studying this over and over and over again. And so then finish studying. Go get a beer.

Yeah, I mean, I had. I played a lot of basketball in medical school.

Yeah.

My wife and I, after we met, we walked the dog a lot. We went on, you know.

So you had a dog in medical school?

She did. I adopted him. He was the best.

What? Did she have a dog all through medical school?

Yeah, she. She, like, bought him, I think, pretty early on.

Was that a bad idea?

Did she say, oh, no, no, that was great.

Okay.

He was the greatest.

I want a dog.

I mean, she, like, had a dog walker, and she would, like, drive him to school, and he'd sit there while she took tests, and then they'd take him out.

Really?

He was the best. Aww.

He's cute. Well, and so just kind of, like, factoring that stuff in. I mean, if you. I think you're the type of person, you probably would have been happy with whatever specialty you did. I mean, you're a little bit more of like that, but do you ever have any regrets about doing cardiology? Like, do you see any other friends doing some other specialty? And you're like, oh, man, I should have done ophthalmology. Man, those guys are just sitting there zapping some lasers and taking off.

I don't. I really don't. I think it's. I mean, it's a. It's an exciting field. It pays well. I mean, so that.

No, I mean, that's an important factor.

It's an important factor. I hate to say that's taboo, but, like.

No, no, I think it's very important to talk about finances.

And they talk about that more in med school now, apparently.

Do they?

Yeah.

Well, I think, I mean, med school, you need to be exposed to business, that side of medicine, because it's huge. I mean, it's really important. But no, I don't. I like this field. I can't see myself doing any other field.

Yeah.

Cool.

I have two more things.

Sure.

Yes.

Okay. One, this is kind of specific. I see these TikToks of, like, ER doctors talking about stuff that they would never do as an ER doctor. And they're like, I would never ride a lime scooter, like, because there's so many issues. So as a cardiologist, what is something that you would never do?

Smoke cigarettes.

Okay. It's an easy one.

Smoke cigarettes. It's so hard. I mean, and I feel so bad for people that come in and having smoked, it's so hard to get off cigarettes.

Yeah.

But if you don't, the best way to do that is just don't start smoking.

Yeah.

Because it is my line to patients is all the medicine I give you in the world, everything I do means nothing if you can't stop smoking. And it's hard to say because it's hard to stop smoking. But that's the one.

Yeah.

Vaping was really. It's gone down a little bit now, but it was huge. When she and her older brother were teenagers, and I would see they had friends over. They'd be in the backyard hanging out, and somebody would whip out a vape. And I told them, I was like, don't you ever bring a vape into my house.

All my friends knew. Yeah.

And I went out, I saw somebody do it, and I went out there and I was like, thank you. I am taking that away. And my son, like, he was like, oh, my God, I'm so embarrassed. He's like, are you gonna give that back? I'm like, hell, no, I'm not giving that back. You know, I told him not to do it. I mean, I was like, the amount of hours that I have spent in my life counseling people on stopping smoking, and now I see a brand new generation starting it. Are you kidding me?

So anyway, people ask me, can I vape instead of smoke? And I say, I mean, I guess it's better, but that's like, I can't think of a good analogy. But no, just don't do either.

Well, and don't start it. When you, you know, when you're a teenager, like, you don't need it. You're not addicted. You somehow think that it looks cool, and it doesn't. It just looks really.

Well, they are Addicted.

Well, but, but they work when they, when they took their first puff, you know, scary.

Oh, just like advice for a pre med. Somebody about to start this.

I mean, I tell pre, I would tell pre meds, like take your prerequisites, do very well in them. Like there's no people like, how do you get into medical school? Well, grades are far and away the best. Like they just are. Like they're not gonna. It's just a hard cut off. But, you know, explore other fun classes. Like I took art history courses in college. Those were awesome. And do the volunteer work you need to do and just kind of, you know, try to get a good sense of what you're going into. I think it's very helpful. But enjoy college. Enjoy the learning that you get to do in college, but do well in your classes. There's no secret.

Have fun, but study hard.

Have fun, but you gotta study.

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I think so. I think this was, this was great.

Yeah, it was fun.

Yeah, this was so good. So thank you.

Yeah.

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