THE TRUTH ABOUT CADAVER LAB

Med school is really hard. Don't get me wrong. It's hard, but, like, the way that some people talk about it make it seem like it's like, Like, I'm in.

I'm in hell.

Hi, everybody, and welcome to the podcast. This is Generations MD My name is Stephanie, and I'm joined here by my colleague, Dr. Sarah Davis, who's also my mother. Hello.

How you doing?

I just came from decapitating somebody.

Oh, God.

And sawing a skull in half. Like, I literally, like, it was chaos.

It was really.

Yes. Do you remember being in anatomy lab and sawing a skull?

Really? I really don't. I don't know. I guess I blocked it out, actually. Interestingly, I remember when I was in high school and I did an anatomy lab and we had to dissect a cat, and I actually remember sawing the cat's head. I also remember because my sister Emily was my lab partner, and we brought our cat home to kind of, like, I don't know, work on it at home some. And then we, like, put it in a bag and put it in the refrigerator at our house. Oh, my God.

And didn't you guys have a bunch of pet cats, too? You probably scared them.

They didn't know what was going on in the fridge. I mean, come on. That was. They were a bit oblivious.

I can't believe they just let you bring a dead cat home. Like, what?

I don't know that we really asked anybody, you know, I, I. Things were different in the 80s, I guess. I kind of put in a plastic bag, put it in our backpack, brought it on the bus home. Yeah. What?

It's, like, a lot of steps for that to happen, for the cat to end up in your fridge.

Right. But, but anyway. But no, I, I honestly, I remember a lot about anatomy lab, but I don't remember sawing the head.

It was crazy, man. Like, I didn't even, like, like, we get in there and then they're like, okay, have at it. At first, we had to, like, break the, the from, like, the C1, so your first vertebrae to your, the bottom of your skull. So, like, your occipital bone had to, like, take a, a wedge and a mallet and, like, decapitate the head, which.

Took a lot of muscle.

Like, that was hard to do.

That.

Yeah. After we. Oh, it's, like, crazy. There's just, like, a bunch of, like, Ms. One just hammering away. And then, like, all of a sudden, I turn around and I see Maddie with holding a giant saw. And I was like, oh, My God. And I hear, like. And I'm like, what's going on? So they had, like, electric saws, too, that you had to start with again. This is like, really pretty dangerous, honestly. Like, they. There was really. I mean, we had a dissection video, but, like, that was it. And then. Wait, what?

There wasn't like a safety lecture about how to use power tools? No, this was not Boy Scouts.

No, there was nothing. Yeah, they just had the saws on a. On a table and you just went over and grabbed them.

And then.

Yeah, and then. So then I was like, so. And then we had to, like, from the top of the head, chop, like, all the way, like, medially down the front of the face and, like, pull the head into tv. The brain was. Is already. Was already out.

The brain get out.

We didn't do that, actually. I don't know. Like, they did that because they don't.

Want that come from.

They didn't want us to mess up the brains because I think they. They do stuff with the brains. So they. They took. They like, took the top of the head off and then, like, and then took the brains out. So we didn't do that part. Okay, so then. But we still had to do this part, which was a lot harder than just like doing a little, like, circle on the top of the head and taking the brain out. But yeah, and on the. So we have like Grant's dissection thing manual and is like the steps to follow each dissection. At the beginning of this dissection, they're like, make sure you thank your cadaver. And then it said this thing that was like a long thing being essentially like, like, don't do this unless you really have to. Like, this is essentially saying, like, this is kind of messed up. Like, only. Only if your professor is like, no, you should really do it. Like, do it. But anyway, yeah, so then I got in there with the saw and I was lowkey, really good at it. Like, sawing. Like, I was the best in my group. Like, I thought I was going to be like, Ethan, you go ahead and do it. But then no one else could really do it. All of a sudden, I'm getting in there and I was. I was sawing. I was. I was doing good.

So you're good with tools. Maybe going to be an ortho, bro.

I was good with the saw. I told Thomas that. He goes, oh, God, that's kind of concerning. He was like, I love you, but I don't know if you're the most mentally stable person.

I know.

And he was like, I don't. He was like, I don't want you to suddenly take a turn and then get confused and start trying to saw me up. I was like, well, that would be.

A pretty big leap.

Yeah, true.

Did you say, well, maybe you just got to stay in line.

Yeah. Honestly. But, yeah, now I just have to go through all my day. Like, I just. I. I literally decapitated ahead and, like, sawed it in half. And now I'm just here.

And then here you are.

I had to really disassociate. Like, I was like, this is. I kept being like, no, this isn't real. Like, this is fake.

Well, that's. Is what you kind of have to do with those things. I mean, you can't really think about it too much.

And luckily, I mean, like, I feel like the more the body gets dissected, like, the better it is, because then it's just like, a lot of. Just muscle and a bunch of stuff.

Yeah. Yeah. At the beginning, it really does look like a person, but.

Yeah, but now it's. It really does.

It. It's. Yeah. I think all those things.

Better.

Better not to think about it too much. The. I was reminded of we, like, in. I guess it was. It was physiology class where we actually did. Maybe I shouldn't even talk about this, but they. We used to do stuff on dogs that. And they don't do this anymore in med school. And I was actually listening to a whole. A podcast with somebody from PETA talking about this. I mean, the. The philosophy was, okay, all of these dogs are going to be euthanized. And so they did. They brought in these dogs and live dogs. Yeah. And then you do. Weren't live at the end of.

What did you do to these dogs?

Oh, my God.

Wait, this was in, like, in. In your medical school?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they were all. They were anesthetized, so they weren't feeling any pain. They were anesthetized. But then you basically, like, did different stuff on. Watch their heart do different rhythms. And then, like, kind of did, like, sort of coding stuff on them and watched what happened with their heart. And then, like. And then you would actually. You reached your hand in there and did, like, cardiac massage. So, like, squish, squeezing their heart. And then. Yeah, and then they, you know, died at the end, which.

That's crazy. I had no idea that was a thing.

Wow.

I thought today was traumatizing. Decapitating ahead. That would be way more traumatizing now.

One of my friends boycotted the whole thing and did not go and allowed.

You just could.

Well, it was gonna affect his grade and it probably did affect his grade, but he didn't care. Wow. Yeah.

So it was like a, it was like known that this is, like, kind of messed up.

You know what? Honestly, he's the only one I know that even objected to it. Like, he, he was, I was just like, oh, yeah. You know, so everybody, like, honestly, people were kind of interested in it. Like, okay, you know, we're gonna do this dog lab. I mean, you know, it was, was.

It like a one time thing or was like.

It was a one time thing. But it was, but it, but you were in small groups, so there were a bunch of dogs. It's not like it was just one dog for the whole class. You were in small groups. But I remember he said, he's like, no, I'm not, I'm not going to participate in that. And I was like, well, you know, the dogs are going to die anyway. Maybe we can learn something. And then of course, also I was just like, oh, no, you know, it's going to affect your grade. And he was just like, yeah, I, I'm, I'm not going to, I'll take, I'll take a zero on the lab. That's just fine. I'm not going to do that. Totally. Looking back, like, I have so much respect for that decision. He was way more evolved than the rest of us were.

Yeah.

But, you know, and so we were kind of justified in that. It was like they were anesthetized, so they weren't feeling any pain from it. They were dogs that were going to be put down. So somehow that made it like, okay. But that's why dad doesn't like dogs. I don't think he liked dogs before that.

You know, maybe he really just couldn't, like, think that dogs are like a man's best friend and like smart and all of that anymore after that lab.

Well, you know, I mean, he doesn't eat any animals, so, you know, it's like, I, I, I, honestly, it's one of those things, like you just, you just kind of, it's just like so many things in med school, you just kind of keep going. You just don't really think about it. It's like they say, okay, this is what happening? And it's fine. And so you just sort of go along and then really, it wasn't until, I mean, it was just like a few weeks ago, I was listening to that podcast with a PETA person and I was like, oh, my God, I can't believe we. I can't believe we did that.

Yeah.

Really, There was not anything like, you know, I mean, there's times when you have to learn things and there's only certain ways that you can learn things and blah, blah, blah. But this was one of those ones where it's like, yeah, we did not have to do that. That was not really necessary for learning. So anyway, sorry to bring the mood down.

Well, yeah, I mean, I don't think like this, like, it's. I mean, it was. I mean, you dissect cadavers, that's the thing. But I mean, they're already dead and.

They're already dead.

Yeah, it really is like a. Just a body at that point. But, I mean, I don't know.

Yeah. Okay. Well, pivoting to something else, I saw a patient yesterday who's a veterinarian, and, and I was learning some new things about rabies. First of all. Well, and this totally because I don't. We talked about immunizations and so if you're a veterinarian, you have to get immunized against rabies, which, you know, makes perfect sense. Right. But she was saying how it's still like, pretty. You know, you don't expect to get exposed to rabies like in your, in your day to day life just taking care of dogs and cats. But she had this dog who attacked a skunk and then came in and, and so, and this was what I learned was that, like, if you're, if you have a dog and they get into an altercation with some sort of wild animal, and like in this case the dog had killed the skunk, it's best if, you know, if you can, you need to bring in that dead skunk in this situation so that they can test the skunk for rabies.

Louie, why can't you just test the dog for rabies?

Well, because you have. Rabies is like really slow growing. Yeah, she kind of, she educated me a whole lot about rabies, but it's really slow growing. And so, like, you have to, you can, you can treat, you treat the dog with whatever, but you have to have the dog quarantine. If you, if it's an unknown thing, whether they're. They had contact with rabies or not, you're supposed to quarantine the dog for 90 days, which would be like next to impossible. I don't know how you would really do that. But most of the time when you bring in the animal, you test that other animal for rabies and then you find out that they didn't have rabies. And so then you know that the dog wasn't exposed. But she said in this case, they tested the skunk and it was positive for rabies.

How did the person know to bring in the skunk?

That's what I was thinking, too. I was like, how did she know that? And. And. And she said. She was like, yeah, it's really great when they do that. Most people don't know that. I'm like, I never knew that.

Yeah.

So. But this person was on the ball, brought in the skunk, tested the skunk. Skunk's positive for rabies. So now the vet. So she had to go and get booster shots for rabies, and her tech had not had even the primary rabies series, so had to go and get, like, immunoglobulin and the whole rabies series, which is like four shots. And to get that stuff, it was like $20,000. Wait, what did she like? What? It was covered by workman's comp insurance, but. But, yeah, $20,000 for all that stuff.

Wait, what's. So can you, like, explain so bad about rabies?

Yeah, it has a mortality of 100%.

Wait, and what can't.

So how do you.

Like, if I come into the hospital, I got bit by something, can you treat me for rabies?

Yes, you get. And so that's. The treatment is you get. You get the vaccine, and then you also get the immunoglobulin.

So if it's unknown, why can I still just, like, be treated for it?

You can't. You can. It's just the treatment is expensive and cumbersome, so you really don't. It's not something you want to just go, like, treating people for all the time if it's a really remote chance that you have it. The good news is, because it's. It takes place really slowly, you actually have enough time to. To, like, start the treatment and all that. It's not like other things where it's like, okay, you gotta, like, rush out and get to the hospital within hours. You actually have, like, 10 days or something before you need to start the shots, which I was kind of amazed by that too.

And then what happens?

Well, so, you know, usually medicine works just fine and everything, but if you didn't get the medicine, then it's just. It's a terrible. It's a. It affects all the nerves in your body, ends up going through, causing, like, basically encephalitis. And, you know, and then you Die kind of a horrible death.

Same thing.

Once you get to that point where it's already in all your cells and nerves at that point, you can't do the vaccine and have it be reversible. There's not really any treatment at that point.

And same thing happens to the dog.

Yeah, I guess I didn't really get into. I guess you do the same treatment, you know, get. Oh, well, you know what? Dogs may get rabies shots. Like I think if they're up to date on their shots, they have had that. So there's probably some. Maybe you give them more of those boosters and things as well. But I think they do normally get immunized for that. I don't know. We'll have to do a. Should we have to do a fact check. But I think that's the, I think that's the case. But you still like, you still have to make sure that the dogs again, not going to give it to other dogs or other people or anything else. And I had learned when I was studying for my recertification boards sometime sometimes in the last 10 years or something I had learned and I just thought this was really fascinating too that like if there's a person in a room asleep and there's a bat found in the room, you assume that the person has bitten, has been bitten and has been exposed to rabies. And you.

Why does a person has to be asleep?

Well, okay, in what scenario? In what scenario you wake up and there's a bat in your room. Has that ever happened to you?

I can't say that it has.

Well, I think it's not that common of a scenario, which is why it's a good board question. Yeah, but the, but the, the thing is when. Okay, so the reason the sleeping part is important is because if you were asleep and there was a bat in your room, you would not know whether you had been bitten by that bat. What do you mean you wouldn't wake.

Up if you got bitten by a bat?

No, you would not. Apparently it's not a big bite. And, and I learned this yesterday from the veterinarian because I was telling her about that boards question. I was like, oh, I, I thought that was such a strange thing. And she's like, yeah, well the reason is because a bat can bite you and really not even leave a mark. So if you've got. And it doesn't really hurt and stuff. So why would the bat bite you? Because it has rabies and it's nutty like that. So that's kind of like, you know, the animals that have rabies just act weird. Right. Like, normally a bat wouldn't go and just try to bite you. I don't think. Again, I'm not really a bat expert, so I can't really speak to what's normal behavior for them or not. But the point is, you could be bitten by a bat, and if you were asleep, you wouldn't know you were bitten by the bat. And then you've just assumed that you get rabies, and so you go ahead and get treatment for that.

Man, I have to say, I think being a vet, I mean, for me, obviously, I'm not in vet school, but being a vet seems way worse than being a doctor. Like, imagine your patients just biting you.

Right?

Right. And you can't even, like, talk to them either. It's not like, hey, like, you know, how are you feeling? It's like, yeah, exactly.

I know, because I have not. This is the second patient I have that's a vet. I've got another one. And I had just gotten a call over the weekend from her for the other one. Like, that one of her patients had bitten her, and we had to put her on antibiotics and stuff for. For that. So vets need good medical care.

Yeah. Seriously? Yeah.

And there is. There's just, like, so much to know and, like, all of that stuff, like, oh, okay, you gotta, like, test the animal and where do you go to get your rabies shots? And also, do you have to know.

About all the animals? Like, it's just every animal.

Not usually. Like, most of them. Like, here in Dallas, like, they're mostly just, like, dogs and cats. Yeah.

But in vet school.

I don't know. I mean, I guess, because you can.

Do you. Like, what if you go and you're a vet, the zoo, and then there's all the animals, or, like, you know, a lot of them. It's like agriculture, like, farm. You know, you got to cows and, like, all of that.

I think they do kind of specialize a little bit. She was saying that there are. We were talking about. I asked her if she was a vegetarian. I said, aren't a lot of vets vegetarians? And she's like, not in Texas. And then she was like, yeah, we're kind of the only. The only kind of doctors that eat their patients.

Yeah.

Like, she was saying how, like, there are people that kind of specialize in chickens, you know, that they mostly do. They work at, like, for these chicken farms. And they mostly. Those are. All their patients are chickens. And I think they. You Know, maybe drive to KFC on the way home and jump them down. I don't know.

Just seems weird. Like, I mean, there people are. At least it's one species, you know?

Yeah. I think it would be hard to know about all.

Yeah. And the anatomy of, like, all the. I mean, I guess. How much. I don't know. I don't know.

Yeah, I think. No, I think it would be. I think it would be hard. And I think that, like, a long time ago, you know, they mostly were focusing on, like, you know, helping out at the ranch, deliver a. You know, deliver a calf and a lot of that kind of stuff and those things. But now, I mean, people want their pets to live forever.

Well, there's a shot now you can give. We might need to fact check everything of this, but a shot that you can give cats so they'll live for up to 35 years.

Okay. I saw some headline about this.

I did not, because apparently the, like, most of the time, cats die from this, like, liver disease. I think it's liver or kidney, one of that. And if you, like, give them this immunization or whatever, then it saves them from that disease. And if they don't die from that, then they can live for, like, 35 years.

That's a long time.

Yeah. That's what my friend Kate was like. Her mom was like, so do you want to, like, get these shots for your cats? And she was like, daisy and Marcy don't need to meet my grandchildren.

Oh, my God. That is crazy. Yeah, I think that's. I don't know. I mean, teach his own. And I know sometimes people just want their pets to live forever and ever and ever.

One of. One of my friends in medical school, his part of his personal statement was that he thought he wanted to do vet school. He loved his dog so much, but realized he loved his dog and animals too much to do vet school. So then he went for doctor school for people.

Hmm. Isn't that a little wild? He's in. He used this to get accepted to medical school. Like, this worked?

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know the exact specifics. That's what I got from the story, though.

Okay. I feel like if I were interviewing him, I'd be like, okay, so how much do you hate people?

Yeah. Well, I posted a video that's doing pretty good.

I did see that.

Yes. So it was essentially just like, I. I mean, the feedback I've gotten is really good. And everyone is saying how they relate to it. Essentially, the video was me doing, like, a pov. And I'm acting like a student who is like, being really condescending and like talking down to another student saying kind of like the idea is just focusing on the toxic culture of medical school. How, you know, there's a lot of people who are these gunners who kind of make others feel less than by talking about how much they're studying and like how they want to go into a competitive specialty and all this stuff. And yeah, I think it's like all so many people are commenting on it. That one they're like triggered from it being like. Like there's people that are like, I've already matched, I've already matched. Like, and like people in other fields too. Like, you know, they're like, oh, in law school it's like this. In vet school it's like this. Like, you know, there's. There's people like this in every single field. And like, the point of the video obviously, like, wasn't to, you know, target anybody in specifically or, you know, do anything like that, but just touch on the broader picture that like, these are statements that are brought into conversations, whether that's intentional or not intentional, that like, you know, make other people feel bad. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. I mean, and I would say that now obviously you can't speak for everybody that does that behavior, but a lot of that behavior is kind of intentional. Like, not maybe not the goal to make other people, quote, feel bad, but like, sometimes they are trying to intimidate other people a little bit with the, you know, with kind of, you know, bragging about the things that they're doing and that kind of stuff. At least there was certainly. I mean, you remember, there's plenty of that in the pre med culture. And so I kind of think, like, calling people out on that a little bit is not really a bad thing.

No. Yeah. And that's why I think it's good. I think if we don't call out this toxic behavior, then it's just going to keep perpetuating. And I think people kind of need a reality check that. Like, because also sometimes in those statements, like, it's like, especially in regards to the primary care, we kind of touched on this last episode a little bit. But when I say, like, oh, I think I want to do family med, sometimes demeanors change and like the way people are talking to me changes and it's, it's so condescending in the way that people say things to me. And it's so hard to like, like combat that. I guess if that makes sense. And like, like provide constructive feedback when somebody is saying something that I'm like, that's a weird thing that you just said because it's the way that they say it and there's not really anything you can say back. So I think just like, bringing up the discussion and talking about it is super important. And yeah, I, I, I hope that that elicits change.

I thought it was funny. It rolled off your tongue to the person, like in the, at the very beginning of the video saying, like, I just came back from a such and such meeting. Like, what, what was the name of the meeting?

Oh, I don't know. I made it up. Literally. Like, acronyms for the acronyms. It's like student liaison, something. Consortium. I don't even know what consortium means. Like, I don't know. Like, yeah, someone commented. The word consortium is triggering. I'm like, I literally don't know what that means. I guess like a group or something, but.

Right. It does. It sounds very intimidating. And yeah, I think that was like, I just thought that was really funny of just like, okay. Because again, part of it is meant to be a little intimidating. And when, if you are getting intimidated by it and they start naming off these acronyms and these other things and, you know, and part of you is just like, oh, my God, is this something that I'm supposed to be doing? And it's, you know, and then all of a sudden your anxiety is up and, and then you're like, and I'm feeling this way, and I'm feeling like now I sort of have to one up this person. But, like, why am I feeling that way? And it's just, it's just terrible. And there are lots of people who do that in other, in other facets of life. I mean, we've talked. You and I have talked about that. Not necessarily on the pod of the people. Like, I'm so busy.

You know, I'm so busy.

Yeah, I'm, oh, I'm doing this, I'm doing that, I'm doing this, I'm doing that. And you know, and I, I never know what to say to those people either. I'm like, okay, like, half those things that you named are like volunteer organizations, you know, like, you don't actually have to do any of that. Or if it's something about their job that, you know, I'm like, if your job is that bad, maybe you should make a career change. Obviously, I'm not going to give them any of those suggestions because they're not looking for suggestions. But I just find it. It's just baffling. There's some people that, I mean, I have known for years and years, and every time I see him, it's the same thing. It's this big whirlwind of, oh, my gosh, I've got this, I've got that. And, you know, I'm just thinking, well, it's the.

I think this.

The whole point is it goes into.

The superiority complex and this ego that, like, I'm better than you because I'm really busy. And, like, people get a lot of pride from that. And I think, like, calling that out, being like, you're not better than anybody else because you're going into a competitive specialty and, like, you're really busy and study a lot. Like, you're not. The way that people come about it, it's not about, like, going into a competitive specialty or it's not about being busy. It's about, like, talking to other people about these things in a way that's very egotistical, in a way that's very condescending. That's, like, making other people feel, like, put other people down.

And. And I would say also, it's really not even good for. I mean, it's not good for the people, for the person who's doing it, too. And that kind of whole philosophy of, like, oh, if I'm really busy again, even when they're just sort of spinning their wheels, when they're. When it has nothing to do with competitive specialty or these people that are always, like, kind of running around doing, like, a hundred things and running themselves ragged, but they really give themselves a pat on the back for doing it. They're like, oh, gosh, you know, and I did this and I did that, and da, da, da. I'm like, I don't feel like that's really bringing you joy and just. It kind of just goes back into that sort of, like, frenetic American culture. Yeah. Yeah.

I was gonna say the grind culture. For sure.

The grind culture. Just keep doing it. Just keep doing. Just, you know. Oh, yeah, just keep doing more. More and more and more. And. But it is. It's. It's like this kind of, like, bragging sort of thing, too. I'm so busy. Yes. And that makes me great. And, you know, like, it doesn't make you great. It's making you kind of miserable, and it's making the other people around you miserable, and it's. It's not a great thing to. And it's not a great way to live. Your life.

Yeah, I was gonna make another video. Something in regards to either. Yeah. Like pre med or like you have a roommate who is a med student and just them being like, oh, that's so great. You work in nine to five. Like, you must have so much free time because I think that the way that I'm. Med school is really hard. Don't get me wrong, it's hard, but like the way that some people talk about it make it seem like it's like, like I'm in. I'm in hell or like I'm in. Like, like I have no, you know, like, yes, there are weeks that are really, really busy, but like. And there are weeks that are, you know, not as busy and like, there's gonna be times that it's gonna ebb and flow. Other people have really hard stuff too.

Right, Right. I think that's the, that's the big thing is it's, it's like, it's just us. It's just in medicine for the only ones who do this it that kind of philosophy. And it's like, no other people in all kinds of different fields work really, really hard in all kinds of different ways.

Someone I saw a tick tock this morning of it was a surgical resident. And she said she was like, you know, I've gone through like a lot this past year. I am like, you know, it's. I'm saying something that's controversial and it's coming from a place like I, I'm in a surgical residency. That's really, really hard. And people's lives are depending on me, literally. And I also had a child 18 months ago, and my, like, I have this child who is depending on me and like, everything is really, really hard. Like all of these different challenges that I've gone through. But she was like, but the first year of motherhood was harder than surgical residents.

Oh, man.

Yeah. She was just like, I, I don't know, I thought that just kind of was like, I don't know, like, being a mom, raising kids is really hard. Like, there's. There's a lot of things that are really hard that a lot of people do. You don't have to, you don't have to play the comparison game either. Like, not everything has to be like a comparison sort of thing, you know?

Yeah. Yeah. I think that that's. The stay at home moms versus the working moms is another one of those things that is like just so toxic and, and can be, you know, it's just like, oh, well, that's really great that you're staying home with your kids. You know me, I would just be bored. Yes. All like doing that all day. But that's great that you really like doing that. And, you know, it's like, okay. And then the flip side is you have. Oh, well, that's really nice that you're going off to do your career. I just could never feel good about leaving my children with somebody else all day long while I went off to just do what I really wanted to do. And it's just. It's. It's a terrible. And people. You know, people do that type of stuff all the time and put people down for all the decisions that they make along that way when it's none of your business.

Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, I have one other thing. Very off, completely off from what we've said. I. I saw on TikTok that people are talking about using Mucinex to get pregnant. Wait, like, Joss?

Mucinex?

That does entail a few other things, but, yeah, they might be waiting around for a little while if they're just. If they're just doing the Mucinex, Virgin Mary. But the, you know, basically the idea is Mucinex, the cough and cold medicine that contains guafenesin. It kind of thins secretions. So you use it when people have cough to kind of thin those secretions. So you can cough that stuff up. Well, theoretically, that should also thin cervical mucus, so making it so the cervical mucus is not so thick. And so it could be a little bit easier, not as much of a barrier. And so that, again, this is. If people who are trying to get pregnant who that then it can make that a little bit easier for them to get pregnant. So people who are struggling with infertility and. But I saw a couple of tik toks where people were like, oh, I did all this infertility stuff, and then I took some Mucinex and boom, I got pregnant. And, you know, it's just like. And that, you know, I had like tons and tons of views and everybody.

Was like, oh, yeah, okay, blah, blah, blah.

I'm like, well, you know, is.

So this is a TikTok thing or like a study was done?

Well, it. I saw it a bunch on Tick Tock. And so then I saw.

This is where you're getting your info now?

No, well, I was reading an article and it was talking about the Tiktoks, but the article was just asking these OB GYNs like, okay, is this really a real thing? Does it work? And, you know, Kind of standard medical answer is that theoretically it might help. There aren't a bunch of. There's really no good studies showing that it does. If you want to try it, that's, you know, fine. But there's also, like, lots of different complicated reasons why people might have infertility. And sometimes, you know, somebody just happens to get pregnant. You know, you can have. True. True. Unrelated. Right. They just happen to try the mucinex. They happen to get pregnant. So. And just, like, so many things regarding, like, you know, fertility and, I mean, a lot of stuff. In OB gyn, it's very hard to do randomized controlled trials. Right? Like, you can't take two couples and be like, okay, know, you. You guys use the mucinex. You guys don't use the mucinex. Let's see what happens. So it's. It's hard to really quantitate if it's how real it is. Yeah, it seemed like a harmful thing.

Yeah. I didn't even think about that. That would be really hard to actually do.

It's. Obon is a very tricky field. There's so many things that you cannot do good studies with. Like, all the medications that you give people during pregnancy, you. They use all of these old, old, old drugs because they're like, well, we've been using this for a long time, and it doesn't seem like it's a problem. And it's just kind of funny because, like, you see the list of drugs, you're like, oh, my gosh. Like, we never use these drugs anymore, but. But they just kind of have to go with, like, the history of those medications, and if they've. You know, what problems they've had, and if they haven't noticed any problems over all those years, they figure they're probably okay. But you don't want to go using new drugs on pregnant people.

Mm.

You look like you're ready for a nap.

Yeah, I. It's been a day.

Yeah. Yeah. Cutting people's heads. It's a lot.

Yeah. I knew I would be like. Because even in the dissection video, the doctor. The professor was huffing and puffing, and I was like, oh, God, this is gonna be. This is gonna be rough.

So you kind of. You got your lab and a workout all in one.

Oh, yeah, for sure. I was thinking also one more thing about the dissection video is I was thinking about this today, like, in, like, middle school and stuff, I used to watch all these, like, DIY, like, YouTube things. Like, Bethany Mota would be like, diy make like this, like, make these Christmas ornaments with me. And like, she would do it all. And I'd be like, I'd watch the video. Be like, okay. And I'd be watching the video and doing the DIY thing. And I'm like, okay, if I just watch it exactly. And I do exactly what she does, then it should end up exactly like that. And we. I'm not that crafty. Things, you know, would kind of go downhill and it would always end up looking worse. Same thing with these dissections. I watched a video, I'm like, if I just do exactly. And I even brought in my iPad into lab today to pull up the video to do exactly, like, watch it and do exactly what he does in the video. And it always just looks like a complete mess compared.

So you're saying you could post this as a Pinterest fail?

Yeah, pretty much.

Pretty much.

If you saw Juicy J after today, that's definitely a printer for sure.

Oh, dear. Well, yeah, that's. You know, things are easier in the movies.

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