Science Meets Spirit with Ray Catania | Write Your Outcome

And it never came. Because in that moment, I wasn't in that body any longer. Now I'm above it and I'm in the corner of the room, almost like a neutral corner. It's a square room, like picture a boxing ring. And I'm in the neutral corner and I just knocked myself out, right? And my energetic self is looking down on my lifeless body.

Hello fellow trailblazers, leaders and just wonderful Mount Marvelous people. We are here today with Ray Catanya in the studio. He's not in the studio. I always feel like people are with me. But he's on the podcast today Write youe Outcome and Woo Hoo. Today we are going there. For those of you who don't know me well, I am a very deep spiritual person. And for my whole life I've known things. For those of you who know this about me, we're going to have a lot of fun. For those of you who don't, you're going to learn a lot about me today. But before I get into these questions with Ray, which I can't wait, let me say hello. Welcome, Ray.

Michelle, thank you so much for having me. It's an honor and a guest. Honor and a pleasure to be your guest.

I am so happy.

Now I'm tongue tied. We just did two turns.

Yeah, we're going to keep rolling because we're human and that's what happened. So I am going to read his information because I don't like to do anyone an injustice by just saying it off the top of my head because there's so much quality information here. So. Ray Catania is a metaphysical teacher, master certified life coach and award winning author. He believes that modern day spirituality is best taught at the intersection of science and spirituality. I love this so much. He is passionate about helping others get unstuck, harness their power of their mind and create their own reality. His first book, the Atheist and the Afterlife is the true story of his own spiritual awakening. With a no holds barred approach, he shares vulnerable stories of personal trauma, mystical experiences. Now I Lost My Place. And his ultimate transformation from an atheist to an NDE survivor. Near death experience for those of you who don't know, to an intuitive and developing medium. His second book, you Are Still Alive, Now Act Like It. I love that. Shares how he developed the ability to help others through personal experience, scientific theories, and he shares his techniques with anyone who wants to recreate what he has learned. So welcome again. Let's take a double take. Welcome Ray.

Thank you, Michelle. Thank you for having me as your guest I'm honored. Thank you so much.

Thank you. I'm honored that you are here. So for anyone who doesn't know about near death experiences, I have myself have read a lot of books about it. I'm a total believer. You don't have to convince me, but let's start there and just tell people a little bit what that means.

Yeah, sure. Well, you know, honestly, before it happened to me, I was not a believer. And, you know, I came from a home of drama, trauma, chaos, anger, and, you know, all that stuff that, you know, a child should never really be exposed to. So I rebelled against all religion and I chose to call myself an atheist. I don't even think I knew what that was, but I couldn't believe that there was any loving God that would ever allow these things to happen, you know. So I was 20 years old and there was a fire in my home. And the kitchen was located on the first floor. My bedroom at the time was on the second floor, right above the kitchen. So I was sleeping. And what triggered it was a gas leak in the stove. And the stove ran on natural gas. So naturally the gas rose and I was inhaling it and this would be the problem later. So I guess in the morning my mother came down, she turned on the stove and there was like a ball of flames. So the way I understand it, the wall caught fire. My father was able to put out the fire relatively quickly, but it wasn't the smoke or the fire, it was the gas that was what was getting to me.

So it's almost like carbon monoxide that you don't see it.

Yeah, you don't really, you don't really smell it. I mean, it has a smell, but after a little bit you don't notice it anymore. It just kind of goes away. And I was sleeping, so I really didn't notice it. And so the police come, the fire trucks show up, and I hear like all this commotion that's downstairs. I want to get up to see what's going on. I don't even know what's happening yet. And I go to get up and I notice that parts of my body are completely paralyzed. They just won't move. Like my legs, for example, I. They felt like they were £5,000. And I just, I couldn't get them to move. My head also couldn't get it off the pillow. I couldn't yell. I couldn't do much of anything with my head. My arms worked. That's about all I had the right one better than the left. So I tried to pull myself to the edge of the bed using everything I had. I would just pull myself and then I would pass out and then I would pull myself a little. I wake up because I hear everything and then I pass out again. And after like three times, I was like, if I don't get out of this bed, I, I know I'm dead. I. I know it. I can feel it. So I pulled with everything I had and I tumble out and I hit the floor face first and there's this thump and I'm. When I hit the floor. You know how anytime in your life when you've gotten like a bump or a bruise, you get that hit, right? And you're waiting for the pain to set in. There's like that two seconds before it sets in. Okay, so. So that pain never came. And it never came because in that moment, I wasn't in that body any longer. Now I'm above it and I'm in the corner of the room, almost like a neutral corner. It's a square room. Like, picture a boxing ring. And I'm in the neutral corner and I just knocked myself out, right? And my energetic self is looking down on my lifeless body. And this doesn't scare me. And I don't know why. It. Just. Because it feels great, honestly. And adjacent to me from the other corner is a huge cone shaped white spotlight. Now, white is, is all colors. I understand. So white represents everything. And this is not a light anyway. I'm doing this, an injustice by calling it a light. This was bigger than you can. Oh my God. It's. Yeah, I was, I was one with this, this entity that, that was. That contained love and euphoria and painlessness and every beautiful emotion that you could ever describe or wish to have. And I proceeded to go in. It was like a tunnel. And I. And I started to go in because there was a being at the end of the tunnel who said, ray, it's okay. It's safe to come into the light. And I was like, this is great. I, I go in a little bit more. The euphoria increases. I go in a little bit more and I'm still apprehensive, but I'm going. And at that moment, my father must have heard the thump on the floor first, came running up and burst through the door. He kicked the door in. He finds me on the floor and he scoops me up and he's like crying and he's yelling for the paramedics. And I'm looking down at this man and I see him hugging Me and crying. Me crying about me and, and I don't really recognize that because I never saw that side of my dad. Like, my dad was mean. You didn't mess with my dad. You know, like, he, I, I, he maybe hugged me five times in my whole life, and one of them, I was dead. So that I wanted. That I wanted that relationship with him. I never had that relationship. So midway through the tunnel, I asked the being if I can go back because of. I want this with my father. And I don't know if that's why I got to go back. I don't know. But I did wake up on the living room floor, and now the paramedics are working on me with, you know, all their tools and equipment and whatnot. And I wake up and I'm like, I don't know what's happened. I'm like, get off me. Get off me. I. What are you doing? I feel great, you know. Who are you? Why are you touching me?

You know, because you're not burned. You're just inhaled, right?

I just inhaled. That's it. And I felt no pain. I'm still in that euphoric state. Like, I, I, it carries over for a while. So I'm feeling amazing. And I, you know, I'm, I'm trying to tell these guys I've never felt better in my life. And like, kid, you're. You don't even know what just happened to you. You know, we just brought you back. You are everything but all right. You are not all right. You're going to the hospital. And I was like, but did you, did you hear the voice? Did you see the light? And now they're looking at each other like, okay, what's up with. Right? So I shut that down really quick because I could. No one else saw it. I could see that nobody else saw it. And they're all looking at me like I'm nuts.

So let me stop you there. Were you on any kind of spiritual path up until this point in your life?

No, no, no.

The anti. Anything anti living life.

Is it total atheist? Absolutely. There's nothing after death. You die. That's it. And I lived recklessly because I didn't even care if I lived or died. And coming out of that home in that childhood, that's the way I was. Chaos was my comfort zone growing up.

Yeah.

So that's. I knew how to manage chaos.

And now you're only 20 years old. And, I mean, this is young. That's still pretty impressionable age. You come out of this you start telling people, and they think you're crazy. So you just literally bottle it up for how long? Or what. What happens next?

It's a good 20 years, I would say, because, well, I started to. I told my mother, you know, she's like, that's crazy. You know, don't tell anybody that. That's nuts. That never happened. Et cetera, et cetera, you know, And I wasn't going near my father with that. I told a couple of friends, got the same reaction, and I was like, okay, okay, you know, let's put this in perspective, right? I'm talking to myself now, and I figure, okay, I fell in front of a window. It was probably a sunny day. That's the white light. I inhaled gas fumes for hours. I was probably high from the gas fumes. And I hallucinated.

Logical mind starts creating something that makes.

Sense, that makes sense that I can adjust to. And now I can put it in a box and I can put it away and I don't have to deal with it, and I can go back to my chaos, my comfort zone.

And so for 20 years, are you in chaos?

Well, no.

Some semblance of chaos.

What's the.

What's the. You know, it's like, what's about 10 makes you say, I need to tell this story. Like, when does that turn? Come.

Oh, that comes much, much later. So. Well, I started to turn my life around around 30 when I got married and had two kids. The marriage fell apart quickly, but it was all about the kids. The kids became my why. So, you know, to deal with a lot of this stuff that I didn't understand. After the nd, I knew some things. I could see things like the. You know, there were just things in my room that I could see that nobody else could see. It was weird. And I just thought I was going crazy because no one could, you know, validate it or. Or tell me. And then I stopped telling people because I was like, all right, I'm just gonna. I'm probably losing my mind.

You need one other person to say yes?

Yeah, just anybody, you know? And when I was 20 and I had the NDE, we didn't have computers. I couldn't just type in. And I wouldn't have typed in NDE anyway, because I didn't know what that was.

I was 20. I would not have known what that was. Yeah, definitely.

But there was nowhere to go. There was no resource. So. So I'm going through life and when I have my kids, you know, to where I was going with that is to take that away, the things that were happening and to suppress that. I would drink, I would use drugs, and up until I had the kids, that's kind of what I was doing. And right after I had the kids, I checked myself into rehab. I got my crap together and I got my degree. I got a good job, and, you know, I worked my way up the ladder, did well, did it twice. Like I said, the marriage fell apart, though. So I have the kids and they have a good life, and I want to give them everything that I did not have. And I certainly don't want them to experience chaos as the norm like I had. So I think I did that. I think I did a pretty good job. And I didn't. I chose not to date for a really, really long, long time until my kids were older. And here's the turning point. So I decide that I'm going to date someone and get serious, because I'm. Now I'm like late 40s, and I figured the kids are old enough. So I go online and there's these sites, you know, where they'll show you for ladies in your area to try to entice you, you know, to get. You take out your credit card. Right?

Yeah.

So. Right. So, you know, they try to. They want you to join. So I went to a couple of the sites, and I don't know which one it was exactly. I mean, I don't know if it was the first one, second or third one, but I got to 1 and I. The late. The woman that's on the right hand side, third one down. Boom. I saw her and I locked. And I was like, that's my wife. That's my wife.

Resonance.

There was something about us. I could not put my finger on it, but I knew I knew her. So I joined and I send one email, one email only. It's to her. And I try to explain this, you know, and she says, you're crazy. And I said, I know, that's what everyone says, but if you have dinner with me, I'll explain because we're really going to get married. This is going to happen, you know. So she agrees and thinks I'm nuts. And we are together to this day. So it was definitely my soulmate. And. But in the beginning, in the early days that we're. We're dating, I have, like, the biggest premonition or psychic thing happen to me, which was the first time I had ever seen energy in the form of a human on the movie screen. In my mind, that's the Way I describe it, it's like a movie screen that opens up and I can see what's on the screen. And in this case it was a man, beard, mustache, big guy. And he's talking to me and he says, I effed up, I made a mistake. You can help her. I cannot. And this the first time.

This is why you're awake or while you're sleeping.

I'm awake. I'm wide awake. Okay, Wide awake. And it just drops into my head. There it is. And I'm not seeing it with my eyes. I can see what's in front of me. It's all here. It's like it's just in my mind. It's a movie screen and, you know, I push it away and boom. Then it comes back again and it's the same 8 second video loop. I effed up. I made a mistake. You can help her. I cannot. And I'm like, okay, I'm back to crazy again. I'm back to crazy.

Yeah, let me stop there, hold your thought. Because I want to go. Because there's so much we don't know about the brain, about spirituality, about these different levels of consciousness. And Wayne Dyer always had a great quote. He said, a mind that is open to everything and closed to nothing. But what happens is when you have something that's out of the ordinary, you immediately think, I'm going crazy. But you were not. Like, our brains are opening up to new ways of seeing, new ways of thinking every single day. You know, we're evolving. So it's, you know, finding those like minded people that, that kind of speak your language. I always say that. Don't you know, so you're not crazy. You know, I.

But I didn't know that.

Yeah, but you didn't know at the time. So you have this, this message twice.

Yeah. Yeah. So the message keeps coming. And it was a Friday and I left work because it was so prominent. And I said, I'm going home. I don't know what's wrong. I don't feel well. I don't say anything about what I see. God forbid, I just leave. Saturday I go to bed. I figure by Monday this is all gonna be gone, whatever it is. Saturday though, it starts to happen. What feels like every hour on the hour, he comes back and he says the same thing over and over and over. By Sunday, I can't even function. He's constantly there. And now I'm like, I'm losing my mind. I'm convinced that I am losing my mind. And I remember the Defining moment. I'm in a store, I'm paying for my stuff. I don't know what I said or did, but the woman behind the counter says, sir, are you okay? And I said, no, I'm definitely not okay. And I took my credit card and I went back to my car and I was. I broke because I did everything right. I went to rehab, I got my education, I got a good job. You know, I raised my kids. I had full time custody of my kids, and I raised them and they turned out to be good kids, I think. And I just was like, I'm repaid by craziness, you know, like, this is what I get back for doing everything right?

So what helps you sort it out or turn the corner like this?

So I'm about to check myself in, but before I do that, I. I feel like I owe it to her to tell her that, you know, I'm crazy and you should get on with your life and find somebody normal. So I proceed to tell her what I see and how I see it. The big stocky guy, the mustache, the beard, everything, blah, blah, blah. And I tell. She's like, what does he say? And I said, he. I effed up. I made a mistake. You can help her. I cannot. I don't know who he is. I've never seen him before. And she goes, well, that sounds like my dad. And I was like, babe, your dad is dead. Now I'm thinking, she's nuts. I got to get out of here. Check, please. I got to go. You think I see dead people? That's the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life. And she's like, would you relax for a minute? Now, if all this isn't crazy enough, my wife is a doctor of psychology by trade. That's what she does for a living. So, you know, I'm telling a doctor of psychology, I see people that aren't there. And she's accepting that as the possibility.

Is stronger than her science.

Yeah, she knew mediums. I didn't even know what a medium was. She's like, I see mediums, and they all say the same thing. My dad comes through the way you're describing it. So she goes, why don't you meet with a medium? And I was like, oh, okay. I don't know what that is, but I will do it. And I met with a medium and she. I proceeded to tell her what I see. She validated everything from the NDE all the way up to present day. She validated the whole thing. First time in 50 years, someone understood what I went through. 50 years, that's so big.

Yeah. So how do you go? So let's bridge. I have so much I want to get to with the. And. And we don't have a lot of time. But so how do you get from like, okay, now I see it now. It's validated to where you are now, helping people. Like, I watch your YouTube videos or your Instagram, and you're like, there is no hold, no bars holds barred. That's it. And you're like, this is the deal. This is what it is, like it or not. And you're very direct and you're. You're not mincing words. So, you know, you go from this. Oh, my God, I'm crazy to note. This is the way it is. You know, And I see if you want to look him up. I'm not going to. He has a million degrees, metaphysics degrees. He's going for this PhD in metaphysics. I mean, he is. This man is the real deal. So. So please look him up as far as that goes. But, you know, how did you start to. When did you start to say, okay, I'm going to use this to help others? Or was there. You had to go through a dark night of the soul first? I have so much to go.

Yeah. After that happened, I got some validation, right. And being the biggest skeptic in the world, me, now I'm the skeptic of what I'm seeing. So I. I go 100% into education and I start getting it from both formal education, college. I go back to the university for metaphysics. I get my master's working towards the doctorate, like you mentioned. But I also have mentors on the other side. And I have everybody from mediums to psychics to shaman to everything. Reiki healers, energy healers. And I'm putting this together because here's the thing. I don't expect anybody to believe what I'm saying, because if somebody had said it to me, I'd be like, you're nuts. This guy's crazy. Get rid of him. Right? But. So I wanted to put together some of the physics, the laws of actual physics with spirituality. So I could back this up and I could put it into a book and I can go, here you go. I did the research. This is plausible. This is possible. And when people read it, they're like, that is possible. I get it. And I. And that from there, I became a teacher myself and started to teach them what I learned.

I love it. So what was you saying I wrote it down. Say it three ways.

Say it three ways.

Yeah, let's talk about that. What does say it three ways mean?

That is a manifestation technique and it's a meditative technique. So say it three ways is part of the foundation meditation. And what it is, is the, what we're doing when we say things three ways is we are creating an emotional effect within the body because what we emit is the emotion. It's the vibration. Every emotion is on a vibration. Right. A frequency, I should say. And that frequency is different. And when we send out the frequency, it finds the like match. And that is how the law of attraction works. It's frequency based, very simple. It's like a cell phone. I dial your number, your phone rings. That's it. It's frequency. Right? Right. They, they align. So, but it's not the words. It's not the words, it's the emotion that is evoked from the words. So when you're, a lot of people teach, you know, say everything in the past tense. Well, okay, I could say I am wealthy, I'm wealthy, I'm wealthy, I am wealthy. But I'm not wealthy. I don't believe in that. Right, right. There's three elements that the affirmation that's imperative. Conceivability, believability and achievability. You need all three. So what I designed was a way to say it three ways. I want to be wealthy, I will be wealthy, I am wealthy. So number one, I want is your conceivability. Number two, I will. That's your believability. And number three, I am is your achievability. Now everything you're saying is a truth that you can believe because one of those three is your reality. And as you move from the first one to the second one to the third one and your emotions change, you're going to start to see it come to fruition.

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Yeah. So you don't need to have the nde. That's. That's first, you know. Right. And. And I don't suggest going out and trying it anytime soon because you may not be as lucky and come back and have that experience. So I don't want to romanticize that too much, but it, when you get there, it will be a beautiful thing. So you can start by dismantling the ego and understanding the different parts of the mind and how they work. Because when you understand that your ego is filtering everything that happened yesterday and kind of turning it into what it wants you to do tomorrow. And you're listening to it.

Yes.

So you're doing tomorrow what you did yesterday and you're expecting a different result. Einstein would tell you that's insanity. Right. So that's not going to Work. But what if I tell you that your higher self or your awareness is re attainable and it's right here, it's right here. It's not that far away. You don't have to cross over to find it. I did because I didn't believe in anything. And that's the reason. So if I didn't have that experience, I would still not believe in anything.

So that's the question. Instead of saying, you know, so to dismantle your ego, it's what does my higher self want for me in this moment? Or what is my higher self trying to communicate in this, this moment? What are some steps to dismantle the ego?

Okay, so the first thing that we do is we understand how it works and why it does what it does. It's there to protect us, right? So it's always going to be the in protective mode. But what happens is it protects us too much and it sets limitations for us and it tells us we're not good enough. You can't do that. You're going to look silly. Don't do that. Don't try that. You'll fail. That's the ego. It's always saying things in the negative to hold you back so that you don't put your neck out there and look silly or look foolish. You ever wonder why you get scared in a scary movie? You know you're sitting in a scary movie, right? And the guy comes out with the knife and you go, why? You're in a safe environment, right? It's because your subconscious reacts through the ego and says, stranger danger, stranger danger. Faster than your conscious mind can catch up, then the conscious mind catches up.

And let me stop you there because that's why I always say, or we don't know the difference between an imagined event and a real event.

Right?

Right. So that's why it's important to visualize where you're going, what you want. I love that. That example of watching the movie. Your heart beats and you're on your couch eating popcorn, right?

And then the conscious mind comes back and says, relax man, you're just in a movie theater. And then the ego comes back and kicks you back in the butt and says, you looked really stupid when you got really scared. So you got the ego on playing both sides and it's beating you up on both sides. You got to escape that ego and get your information from source. When you get it from source, it's pure.

I love that. So I've named my ego. So I have Wanda and Grace and Wanda is a bitch. And Grace is my loving self. Wanda is. She runs the show way more than Grace does. But when you know, for me, it's having some kind of tool to. When I know I'm getting into that hardcore like, you're not good enough, you're not smart enough. Whatever. Okay, Grace, what do you think? What does my highest self think? Oh, my God. I know you're trying. You're the best. You're always doing your best. You're you. You want everybody to succeed. So it's being able to almost interrupt that loop before your thoughts run away with you. And what's the. Oh, my God. Michael. Michael Singer. I love when he says, when your thoughts run away, you don't need to go with them.

That's good.

So dismantling the ego. Once you know. So once what I'm hearing from you is once you know what it is, you can start to dismantle it. And now that I see, okay, this is fake. I call it fake fear. Because I'm really not being eaten by a line. I'm my heart. And fight and flight went on. And I'm eating popcorn, right? So then how do I turn on the conscious mind? What. What would. What would you say to people?

So when you learn that the. The differential is about probably a second, right? Because your subconscious reacts first. It has that ability, ability to react that quickly. And your conscious mind really doesn't pause, just pause. If that driver cuts you off and you get all angry and you're about to go, you. Blah, blah, blah, f. In this seven, just pause. Take a second and think about it before you do the action. Because it could change your life. It can literally change your life. So I call it press pause. And it's an exercise that I teach. Always give yourself that one second. Let the conscious mind determine if what you're about to do or say is required in that moment.

I like it. And it's.

So.

It's. What I love about it is it's applicable right now. And it's. You know, people say, count to 10, sleep on it. Go for a walk. All these. There's all these sayings for a reason, you know. So hitting the pause and then, you know this is right. Your outcome. So it's like hitting the pause and then what's the outcome? I want. Where do I want to go with this? So you're teaching people to, first of all, recognize their ego is what I'm hearing. Because some people might not even know they have an ego. Teaching them how to dismantle It. And then teaching them how to make better decisions in their life so that they can have more fulfillment in their lives. What's. Is there any other steps you want to share with us or any. I just.

Well, you mentioned something about dismantling the ego, and some people don't know that they have one. And that's really interesting because it's so true. When I tell people they are not their ego, when I tell a client that or show a client that for the first time, and they realize that that chitter chatter in their head is not theirs. It can't be theirs. And they're just so relieved because they hate that person. Nobody wants to be that person. And it's not you. It's really not. It can't be you.

And because when you're in your heart, you're loving. It's. It's when you get out of your heart, into your head, into the ego, that you become this, you know, crazy other entity.

It's literally another entity that lives within you. It's not you. That's why you named it. That's brilliant. And I tell people to do that, too. Name the ego. Name your higher self. Give them names so that you realize who you're following and who you're taking your advice from. The ego is. Is. Is only drawing from the subconscious, which are all your experiences. And a majority of them are before you're 10 years old. Because you're in that data state. You're in that learning state where you're absorbing everything around you. So imagine what I was learning at Chaos, Chaos, Chaos, Chaos. Right. That's what I'm taking in. So I think the world is supposed to be chaotic. When I get out into the world and I'm a little bit older, I'm in my 20s, I'm like, well, if there's no chaos here, I have to create some.

It's not until you take that pause and realize you could write a different outcome. Right. That you can take a different turn.

Yes.

From what you have been experiencing. So I want to talk a little bit about intuition or mediumship or whatever you want to call it. I've always known things since a young age. I just know things, and I never. I never knew how I knew them. And I don't tell people I know things, but it's what makes me a great coach. It's what makes me good at what I do because I feel deeply emotions and energy. For someone who was not a believer, how do you start to develop that side of you? Because here's What I want to say before you answer, Ray, is every single person listening has intuition, has a higher self, has guidance and access to all of this. But in our culture, we've kind of pushed it. We've come right into our left brain. So much too much of the logical. And I always say we've taken all the magic out of life. Where your right brain is your spirituality, your creativity or love. So everyone has the ability to access this. But I want you to talk about how did you, you know, start managing that energy?

And I'll give you. I'll give you a story that. Excuse me. I'll give you a story. I think that answers that question. When I was very young, I think I was about 6 years old, and my parents had some people over and they were all having dinner, and I'm just playing with trucks under the table, and I overhear everything, but I'm not really listening. It's just like going into my brain because I'm in that. That theta brainwave state where I absorb everything I hear and I save it for future use. So the conversation was about fears and phobias. Okay, obviously I was conscious, because I remember this. But it was about fears and phobias. And my mother says I am deathly afraid of heights. So I noticed that throughout my entire life. When anybody asks me, I say I'm deathly afraid of heights. I even say the words, the exact words, exactly. So, like little parrots, Right, right, right. And I don't notice that yet. I don't even know that's a thing yet. But now I go to Peru. I was about, I don't know, 51, 52 years old. I went to Peru, studied with some shaman, and I climbed Machu Picchu because the elders of the tribe were going to do this ceremony for us. Because everybody who, like, kind of passed this, this initiation, you got the ceremony. I didn't even think about heights. I went straight up there. I was psyched. I was pumped. I was like, I'm going to top Machu Picchu. Let's go. And I grabbed my wife and we go and we're at the top. Then we come down and we get back to the hotel room. And I said, I don't think I'm afraid of heights. I think that's my mom. And that's when it hit me. There's so many of those. You have so many of those. I have so many of those. And when I start to point them out, people are like, I'm not my ego.

And that's the power of the pause. I always say, you're not your parents, right? They taught you what you do and what not to do. And God bless them, they did the best they could. You're also, you know, that pause helps you say, okay, do I want. You know, someone could say, I'm an alcoholic because dad was an alcoholic, or the other brother could say, I don't drink because dad drank. So you always have. Every subject is two subjects, right? You have the opposite of that. Right? Chaos is what I was brought up in. So I choose not to be, you know, to be in chaos now. And I think what this, you know, this journey you've been on is so beautiful. You know, going to Machu Picchu is a dream of mine. I've not been, but I've done a lot of spiritual searching and just being open to looking at life a different way. I think it was, I've read so many books, I think it was Marianne Williamson, or maybe it was A Course in Miracles, because who said, the situation is never wrong? How I'm looking at it is wrong. So that always says, okay, if I don't like what's happening, I could look at this a different way. And that's what I'm getting from you, is that power of the pause saying, like, I want to just, you know, beat my horn or yell at this person or shoot back a nasty email, but is that the person I want to be in the world?

Right, that's it exactly. Perspective. Change your perspective. Change your entire life.

So Machu Picchu deepened your intuition? Did it deepen what you know, your mediumship?

Well, I would say, you know, that was just a moment. There was, I think people have many spiritual awakenings on in their road, in their journey, I should say. And that moment was definitely a defining moment because it really solidified the fact that I'm not my ego. And many of the things that I do and I say and the way I react or act are determined by this 10 year old child. And when you think about how ridiculous that is, you really want to start gravitating towards your higher self and learning more about your higher self and how to get there. And the foundation meditation, which we use for manifestation and can also be used to get that connection with the collective, you know, the, the universal collective. And, and you can refer to that as source, God, or use any term you wish, but it's in there that everything lies, the answers to everything.

So let's talk about meditation a little bit, because I think I'm a meditator I don't, you know, I don't know if anyone's a good meditator. It's a practice. But I give myself 15 minutes. My purpose is to just quiet my mind. Some days I get there for two minutes, some days I get there for 10 minutes. Sometimes I don't get there at all. I don't beat myself up. But talk a little bit about that empty space or that, you know, what, what's your focus for this meditation and how does that work?

Well, for this specific one, I do a guided meditation where I actually narrate it for you and I take you through the entire process. And you know, we start with the attitude of gratitude, which is being grateful and stating the things that you're grateful for. Because no matter where you are in life, you know, you have good things in your life and you have to recognize them in order to get more. So we go through the attitude of gratitude. That's the beginning. And it's after that that we move into the say a three ways process. And after that we go into something called Visualize with five. Visualizing with five is taking your five physical senses. Now this is past tense. So you're taking all five physical senses and you're putting yourself into post goal. So if your goal was to get a job, you're in that job. You're touching your desk, you're answering your phone, you're hearing, you're smelling the coffee that's in the conference room. You know, you're using all five senses and bringing it up into the six. That's visualized with five. And that's the next step of the process to help you emotionally solidify and send out the right signal. Now you're sending this out. You're interacting with the collective the whole time. The whole time, the whole process. And you don't have to manifest the job. You can manifest the better connection with source that could be the manifestation. So the reason that anybody can do my meditation is because I'm guiding you through it. I'm talking.

That's really a good way to start if you haven't meditated. A guided meditation is really, I, I totally get behind that and endorse that and realizing we are manifesting and we are emoting. And again, it's just keeping that open mind to what's possible and what's, you know, what, your past, what you're capable of, I should say, because the more you open that door, the more the saying, you know, when the student is ready, the teacher will come, you know, the Books will come, the teachers will come. This podcast, if you're listening to this podcast, there is no mistake. You were meant to be.

No coincidence.

So it's, you know, what piece of this can you take with you and you know, take forward to deepen your intuition? And sometimes I call it gut. When I'm in the corporate world, you know, your gut is constantly talking to and you know, everyone has an opinion. But then if you just sit with yourself and say, okay, what does my gut think? What does my gut feel? Right? It's always guiding you. And to me, that's your higher self. So, you know, Ray, I always say, we need so many teachers out there right now because we are, you know, the energy is moving right really fast in the world. And when you understand how to guide the energy, you have a nicer ride than if you're bucking the energy and fighting the energy and wishing things would stay the same or go back to where they were or whatever people are fighting these days. I'm not sure. But when you realize it's all moving us forward, you know, the stuff we like and the stuff we don't like is helping us evolve. So are there any habits? So my first book was Happiness as a Habit, and it was about the habits of positive happy people, mentally, physically, spiritually and emotionally. So we're already at 41. I could talk to you all day. Tell us, what's your habit? Do you have rituals, Habits? What are the things that keep you grounded and connected?

One of the things you can extract it from the meditation. It's called the attitude of gratitude. And I mentioned it and I used to use that when I was at the office. I had many employees that would come in and ask questions all day long, and they would ask me things I've already answered 40 times, right? So I would take a moment and I would just go into the bathroom and I would say, my attitude of gratitude, I am thankful for this job. I am grateful for this job. I am grateful for the money that it pays me so I can send my kids to college, so I can do this, so I can do that, and all the positiveness of that job. So now I went back to my office. The next person that came in with a question got Ray with a smile on his face because he's like, I get to answer this question. I don't have to answer the question. I get to do this.

What a great habit to just, I love. Just go in the bathroom. Bathroom. It takes five minutes. Five minutes, you know, that's beautiful. That is so powerful and, and changes your energy just because you're moving. Also you're leaving your space, coming back.

And now you're creating the ripple effect. Right. And you're giving it to others and now they're taking it with them and they're going out and using it and.

That positive energy keeps going. So oh my God, this is such a good conversation. Tell everybody the name of your books. One is out when it's coming out, I believe. Tell people where they can find you. And then I'm going to ask you for some final words of wisdom.

The first book is the Atheist and the Afterlife. And that tells the story of how I got to believing in just about everything we discussed. The second book is where I take those things and show you how you can use them. Also the third book which is coming is going to be more of a say a three ways manual and it will come out with a course and that doesn't have a date just yet, but you can go to my website, raykatanya.com and stay posted on that. And these are also things I teach in private coaching as well. So you can always contact me through there. And I appreciate you allowing me to say that. I don't do mediumship anymore. Something had to be let go and that was the thing that I chose not to practice. I have a lot of respect for mediums, but because it really takes a.

Toll on the person and define mediumship for people don't. Because medium size medium.

Yeah. Mediumship is the ability to speak to the deceased that are in the fourth realm, which is one realm. If we're the third, the next one's the fourth. And it's the ability to communicate with their energy which lives on the energy. I refer to it as consciousness. You know, you can call it a spirit, a soul, or anything you wish, but ultimately it's the energy that is your consciousness. Your brain creates the mind, the mind creates consciousness. So the brain is just an organ. It's the mind that controls everything. Right. And that mind, when your body dies, that energy that is the mind, it must go someplace. Scientifically, it's the first law of thermodynamics if you want to go there.

We cannot be created or destroyed, so our physical goes, but the spirit stays. Or the soul, or whatever you want to call it, the energy. This has been so rewarding for me to open up this door and talk about this. There's so much more I want to ask you. For those of you who have been going down the ND road that's great for. Not everyone should go get this book because if you are listening to this podcast, you were meant to hear this message. I will tell you. In my early 30s, people kept gifting me books, these spiritual books. Oh my God. The Reconnection, Many Lives, Many Masters, the Seth books. And these were corporate people. And I was like, why is. Who are these people giving me these books? And did they think I have time to read? I don't have time to read all these books. But then I started opening them and reading them and it's like it's every time you open a book. And they are my spiritual friends, they are my spiritual teachers. They have taught me so much and it's a never ending learning. So I really encourage you to go look Ray up and see what he's all about and any final words of wisdom. What's one thing you want? You tell everyone that they need to know. Walk away with, believe, live with.

I think that the most important thing is we have to remember that we're all one and we're all connected to that source and that collective that I spoke about earlier. We're all one with that. And we're all going to return one day to that collective which was that light on that day that I saw when I died. We're all going to go back to it. And so remember, hurting your fellow man or woman is hurting yourself because you're a part of that collective.

That's such a beautiful way to end. I'm a quotaholic, so the quote is, you can't take up sides on a round planet. You know, we all have to be here together, love each other, respect each other, and we are all connected. So, Ray, oh my gosh, this was such a beautiful conversation. I'll probably have to have you back because we could dive into this conversation a little bit deeper. But thank you so much for being on Rate youe Outcome.

Thank you.

And for today, folks, I love you much. And that is a wrap for this episode.