Environmental Detoxifiers

Hi, this is Rita Hogan and welcome to the Dogs Are Individuals podcast. I'm a clinical canine herbalist and I've been practicing for over 20 years. This podcast is all about your dog through an herbal lens. So let's get to it and dive right in.

Hey everyone, this is Rita Hogan. I hope you enjoy my little song. I love that little song that my podcast starts out with every time.

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How cute is that? It's, it's joy. I love that little song. I found it on a fluke and it didn't have any copyrights on it so I was like, yes, please, I'll take that one. We're going to talk about detoxing today in a very special way. But before that, I do want to say remember that summer is waning and fall is coming and late summer when we have that transition to fall is one of those areas where you can see a lot of like bronchial and lung issues pop up for dogs that are sensitive to that. So I wanted to draw your attention to that and you can check out my podcast on, on fall and all the things that fall entails and what you should look out for. Check out that podcast. Also want to thank my sponsor, Green Juju. Love, love, love them. Billy and Kelly. They're doing really great work with foods and functional foods and raw milk and fermented mushrooms and now they have bulk boxes for big dogs. And it's definitely, it's an organ based food and it's rotational and for me I use it as a rotational food and it's just a wonderful part of this great all natural community. And so show them support grainjuju.com and I carry their freeze dried products in my store and some of their freeze dried supplements, things that are lightweight and easy to ship but you can find them at your local all natural dog food store. And also they will be having an e commerce store shortly. I'll have to check and see when, but I'm excited about that too. So let's talk about detoxification. So I had someone write in and someone had been spraying something nasty near their field and they were really worried about detoxifying that out of the body. And that made me think of all the different things that are out there that you may find with testing with your dog and I wanted to go through them now. Phytoembryonic therapy is one of my favorite ways for detoxification for sure and that is using plant stem cells, buds, germinating seeds, little tiny rootlets, young tissues and embryonic barks. Of plants. And it's such sustainable medicine because you're not taking the whole plant, you're not ruining its life cycle. It gets to mature. And these remedies are so powerful because they work at a cellular level. And I just have some amazing things to share with you in the future about some research that's being done on these types of remedies. I carry them in my store. They're under phytoembryonics. And, you know, you can use them alone. But I like to use them with a binder like chlorella or zeolite spray or zeolite in general, very small amounts of it, but it's not necessarily needed. I definitely would use something like calendula or cleavers. Calendula for cool dogs, cleavers for warm dogs. If you don't know what I'm talking about, check out my energetics course@canine herbalism.com and if you are unsure about your dog's energetics, choose calendula. But I would use calendula probably a week to two weeks before starting these programs. But I just want to go through them. So the phytoembryonic therapies are so good at detoxifying the body. I mean, it is amazing. And I've used them in a lot of detoxification protocols. And you want to be careful. Some are stronger than the other. Okay. Some are definitely stronger than the other. And one strong remedy is called black poplar. Okay. Black poplar is populis nigra. And it is, well, it's a pretty neutral remedy. A little on the warming side. It balances dry and damp. And what I love about it, I mean, it does a lot of things, but it detoxifies all heavy metals. And it removes 1, what's called 1 dash 4 or 14 dioxane when it's written, which is nasty. It's a carcinogen. And it also detoxifies nitrates and hydrocarbons out of the body. So that's black poplar and is a really interesting remedy in that it's antibacterial, it's antifungal, it's anti inflammatory, it works against mold, it. It helps with the Pleckner's high estrogen. And so you want to take a peek at that. And there's other, like, cofactors that you look, the more cofactors that you have for a remedy, the more well indicated it is for your dog.

And this is one that you really.

Have to start out, like really low and slow. Okay, so black poplar can help with cervical cancer and chemotherapy resistance. And in people, her negative breast cancer, it helps inhibit cancer. It's a good lung, it's good adjunct for lung cancer, mammary tumors, prostate cancer and skin cancer. So it definitely is a broad spectrum detoxifier. So another one that it does is like chlorinated solvents. We don't like those being around construction materials. Construction materials are always, always toxic, so they shouldn't be. I don't think anything that is super toxic should be allowed to be produced or that doesn't biodegrade, but that's me. And it has an affinity towards lead. So lead poisoning. And like for this one, you don't use it long term. You can with the supervised protocol. But the starting dose for it would be for extra small dogs, I would dilute a drop. So I would take like 15 mils or 30 mils, put one drop in that liquid and then give like a dropper of the mixed liquid three times a day. And then for a small dog I would do one drop, that's like a pug medium dog, corgi spaniel, two drops, large dog, three, extra large dog, four. That's where I would start. And it could be like an xx large dog, five drops. And I would do those three times a day for about, I would say two weeks and then I would stop, I'd wait about 10 days and do it another two weeks. So that is black poplar. And black poplar in general, like is good for anal gland prolapse and it's good for dogs that have bladder irritation, like with crying out, like it hurts them. Dogs that are prone to bronchitis or candida overgrowth, that might have heart weakness, that might be exposed to cigarette smoke, dogs that might have a cough, dogs that are damp, ear, nose and throat issues, fearful dogs. So a little kidney weakness there and low circulation or joint inflammation, joint pain, leg spasms. So that's tension. And like I said, it balances dry and damp. So yeah, dogs that are prone to UTIs, weakness in the hind end. And again, yeast. These are all things that might tell you that black poplar would be a good choice for detoxification for your dog. Okay, so that is black poplar. And then we have raspberry, which a lot of people wouldn't think is a detoxifier. Correct. But it is. And raspberry, which Raspberry helps bind chemicals. And, and, and this is not regular raspberry. This is only the phytoembryonic of raspberry. Okay, so there's A difference. And raspberry is rubus ideas. And it's red raspberry. So. And it's cooling to neutral. It helps protect DNA against chemicals. It helps bind toxins, like I said. And it also helps. It's an antiviral, basically. Okay. Antiviral. You can use it for an adjunct, like along with a cancer protocol, which is always toxicity. Okay. And we always have to support the liver as well when we're doing these types of things because it's the liver that's getting the job done. The liver and lymphatics are getting the job done for sure. But raspberry helps with liver cancer, colon cancer, lung cancer, esophageal cancer, mammary cancer, skin and mouth cancers. So it's an adjunct, meaning that it's. You can use it along with. Okay. Along with something else that it's supportive, if what I'm saying. It's definitely supportive. Okay. So raspberry phytoembryonic therapy is super high in qucertin. Okay. It's quesirtin, which is an anti allergy constituent. And it has pectin in helps relieve pain. It's really phenomenal. Besides being a binder and helping with DNA protection from all of these nasty blasties, it can be used for heart support and different types of issues with reproductive organs. It can be a female reproductive system tonic to help with keeping your dog getting pyrometry. If they're intact, it helps with inflammation in the reproductive organs. We love that. Okay. And tense muscles in the reproductive organ. And it's a long term remedy. You can use it long term for humans, especially women. It's great for ovarian cysts and PMS and definitely uterine fibroids, things like that. But raspberry is a good one. And then there's rosemary, which, you know, everyone freaks out when you say rosemary because people have made people nuts about it. But this phytoembryonic is lovely and I use it a lot with dogs that have low circulation. And it can be used for detoxing BHT and bha. And that's if your dog has been exposed to a lots of plastics or you keep your dog's food in plastic, freeze it in plastic. I definitely would do some rosemary once or twice a year for detoxification purposes for sure. And it's going to be the same dosage as black poplar. Oh, and I didn't mention the dosage in raspberry. Raspberry can be a little more giving. You can do 1 to 2 drops for an extra small dog, 2 to 3 for a small, 3 to 4 for medium, 4 to 5 for a large and 5 to 6 for an extra large dog. Rosemary again, I would do the diluted drop for the extra small dog and use the same things as the black dosages as the black poplar. So the next one is eyebright. It's one. Oh my God, I love the eye bright. Phytoembryonic therapy. It is phenomenal at helping with the eyes right eye health. But it's also a detoxifier.

And the liver opens up to the.

Eyes in traditional Chinese medicine.

And.

When your dog has eye issues, definitely look at supporting the liver. You can use eyebright long term. It too is high in quesartin, like raspberry. And you know, normally it's good for glaucoma and cataracts and conjunctivitis, both bacterial conjunctivitis and viral conjunctivitis. It's good for constipation, eye film, eye health in general, it helps improve circulation in the circulation in the ocular membranes and the optic nerves. And it's also a good mast cell tumor remedy. So as far as environmental, the environmental components of this remedy, it's good for dogs with allergic reactions, airborne pollutants, exhaust fumes from cars. So if you live by a highway, this would be a good one. If you're a smoker, this would be good for you and your dog. Any type of chemical sprays. So if you know, this was one of the remedies that I recommended to the woman that's living next to the field that's being sprayed or smoke, you can like smoky from forest fires. You can mix this with mullein, the regular mullein tincture, mullein leaf tincture, and it helps immensely with smoky atmosphere. Okay. And this is the same type of dosage as raspberry and it's very non toxic, so you don't have to worry about that. One of my favorite remedies is called mountain pine and it is lovely. It does so much, but it's very detoxifying. It's pretty cooling and moisting. They use the buds to make this mountain, the pine buds. And it's high in beta statosterol. So for detoxification you're going to look at heavy metals and mercury.

So I like to use it with.

Chlorella and helps stabilize the immune function of your dog. One of the things I love about mountain pine is that it helps with spinal issues and cartilage degradation and it also helps with Hematoma and knees and hips and hip dysplasia, joint pain. It's an excellent pain reliever. It is good for lymphatic stimulation and osteoporosis in general. And definitely paralysis. Spinal conditions, spondyloidosis, spondylitis, weak tendons, CCL tears. Just really awesome remedy. I mean, just a chronic musculoskeletal condition remedy. Now, it does tend to work better for dogs that are warm. Okay, I will tell you that we have an alternate for dogs that are cool, and that is called Virginia Creeper in the phytoembryonic therapy department. So you can try that with dogs that are pretty cool, but it's definitely worth a try. And again, it detoxifies heavy metals and mercury. And I would do probably a long term dosage of that, same as the eye bright and the raspberry.

And I would probably do it for.

About two to three months. Okay. So another one that's good with mercury is willow, and that does come from the willow tree. And this is all phytoembryonic therapy medicine.

And I do have a phytoembryonic therapy.

Course that you can find out more information about all of these wonderful remedies. There's about 50 to 60 of these remedies, but this one is willow. It's Salix alba and it's pretty cooling. It's made from the bud. It helps the musculoskeletal system and pain as well. You can use it for acute issues. You don't want to use it for dogs that are sensitive to aspirin. I definitely would avoid it. If your dog is taking any seizure medications, has Crohn's disease, kidney damage, or any type of bleeding disease, don't use it. If you're giving ginkgo, Bibola and any type of blood thinner, I think that's about it.

Sulfa drugs.

It doesn't do well with sulfa drugs.

I really like it for dogs that.

Aren'T on any, you know, major things. And you can check with your veterinarian. You know, it has the active ingredient for aspirin, even though aspirin isn't natural anymore. But it's good for dogs that have arthritis, blood pressure regulation, eczema, like scaling, heart weakness, inflammation, joint pain, low circulation, low immune function. Again, osteoarthritis and all those things that come with osteoarthritis. It's sibo friendly, small intestinal bacteria overgrowth. It's good for dogs with stress, upper respiratory infections, or upper respiratory tract inflammation. It's good as an adjunct for colon cancer, lung cancer in people, mesothelioma as well as like pancreatic issues cancers and prostate cancers. Also angiocarcinomas. As an adjunct, remember, not as a cure but as an adjunct. So environmentally in detoxification realm you're going to use it for heavy metals, mercury and then for people or dogs.

I mean, I guess it could be.

For dogs in this area.

Asbestos. Now I would definitely use 1 drop.

For extra small dog, 2 drop for small, 3 for medium, 4 for large and 5 for extra extra large dogs to start off with. And if you're working with a practitioner, they can help you with that. But that's where I would start.

And I would probably do it two.

Times a day versus three times a day.

Okay, so here is another one for.

BPA and it's horse chestnut.

And horse chestnut is, you know, it.

Can be a regular medicine, but regular like herbal tincture.

But it can also be a phytoembryonic.

That'S made from the buds, it's neutral to cooling. It helps with the circulatory system, has.

An affinity to the liver and to the uterus. You can use it long term. It's safe for autoimmune disease. You don't want to use it with any type of blood thinners, so don't use it with blood thinner.

Anything with anti clotting action.

So those are the cautions. It has a really good array of.

Trace minerals and macro minerals like calcium.

Choline, iron, magnesium and sodium. So one of the things that it does is it detoxifies xenoestrogens. And they are everywhere. They're in plastics and on, you know, receipts. They mess with hormones. We do not like them. And the chestnut is really interesting in that the horse chestnut plant in general, like the adult stage is it has some toxicity for sure and it can be contaminated with heavy metals. But the embryonic form is completely safe and it's non toxic. And I love these embryonics because they do not have a lot of heavy metals in them because they are embryonics. And horse chestnut in particular assists in detoxifying the bpa. Those things that harden plastic and they act like the hormone estrogen. And they also are used to seal canned food and make shatterproof bottles. I think that both of like these types of chemicals are really hard on the liver. They've been linked to reproductive complications, early onset of puberty in kids. They definitely have caused liver and thyroid damage and testicular cancer. So any type of thing like that, you really want to make sure that you are detoxifying. And another thing that horse chestnut bud detoxifies is polyvinyl chloride. Polyvinyl chloride. And that is another thing that is everywhere. There's so many things made with polyvinyl chloride like swimming pool liners, water pipes, pvc, anything that's made with pvc. Polyvinyl chloride. So this remedy, I would just use it as like raspberry. 1 drop for extra small, 2 drops for small, 3 drops for medium, 4.

Drops for large and 5 to 6 drops for extra large, depending on how big your pup is.

And that would be twice a day. I would probably give it for about a month. I would do it probably with a binder like zeolite or chlorella, but you don't have to, but you can do.

It with a binder.

Just make sure that you're stimulated. Lymphatics with the cleavers or calendula. So another one that I really like that actually is dear to my heart because I used it. I'm.

Well, I would, well, I would classify myself as a cancer survivor.

I don't give that a lot of attention. But I did have cancer in 2017. I had surgery in October 12th of 2017 and I didn't do chemo, irradiation. I opted out of that. They wanted to do preventative chemo, not my idea of a good time. So I used this plant, the bud. It's called Oriental plane tree or Plantanus orientalis. I really love this plant because it is a huge detoxifier and cancer is toxicity, emotional toxicity, physical toxicity. And oriental plane tree is an estrogen antagonist. So mine was an estrogen based cancer, ovarian cancer. And you know, they wanted to put me on tamoxifen, which has a lot of side effects and I'm not a big fan of it. So not to get into estrogen, but you want estriol. And this remedy keeps that, but keeps away the negative estrogens. So I used this for about two years, two to three years after I had cancer surgery. I think I'm coming up on eight years here. And yeah, it really was beneficial for me. So for dogs it can be an aromatase inhibitor, it can be used for Pleckner's, it can be used for dry eye, eczema, fibroid tumors, and it definitely helps balance estrogen, helps with poor vision related to hormonal issues and skin issues related to estrogenic effects. So for humans this remedy is good for endometriosis, it's good for estrogenic Receptor and it's like issues with xenoestrogens binding to the estrogen receptors and estrogen dominance. This is definitely an estrogen dominance remedy. And ovarian cysts, pms, estrogen based tumors and infertility based on estrogen. And for women, and like for women, you always want to get a really good comprehensive hormone test to see where your hormones are at. But as far as environmental, this one is a shiner. So of course it detoxifies xenoestrogens, but it also gets rid of cadmium, excess levels of cadmium and chromium, fungicides, herbicides, insecticides, lead, mercury, PCBs and dioxins. We talked about pseudoestrogens, organochlorines. So those are found in fatty tissues. So this is a really good one. You want to do it for a few months? I would do again. One drop, two drop, three drop, four drop, five drop. And you can double up on this remedy if needed. If there's like a major issue, but you still want to start small, work your way up slowly, get some guidance.

If you need some guidance.

But the oriental plane, again, it is a phytoembryonic therapy. I do carry it in my store. I carry all of these in my store. Plantanus orientalis. Plane tree. Oriental plane tree. And they use the buds of the plant.

Okay.

Bilberry. Bilberry detoxifies aluminum.

Okay.

And there is so much aluminum in our environment, it's almost scary. So I definitely advise people to get their dogs tested. And I will be carrying those tests pretty soon. I would, you know, give myself like two to three months to get all that in place. I'll let you know. But get your dog tested for heavy metals. You don't want too much aluminum. This remedy, bilberry, you know, is a food. It's a regular tincture. It could be a dried powder. But you're going to be using the young shoots and immature fruits. Little tiny, tiny babies. So like little tiny leaves that are embryonic and I'm sorry, leaves, I'm saying shoots, little tiny shoots that are embryonic. And also the really small immature fruits.

That's a blend.

It has a very good affinity for the eyes and that means the liver as well. You can use it long term. It's safe for autoimmune disease. Kitties can use has some really great macro minerals and trace minerals and it's high in quesirtin and rovestrol, beta carotene. So we love all that and not a lot of cautions for this remedy. Actually, I Don't think I have much to say about cautions at all. So it's really good for so many things. But let's talk about the nasty. So it's good for DNA damage, it's good for E. Coli bacteria, it is a cooling remedy. It can be good for glaucoma and cataracts, stroke, candida infections, hematomas, high triglycerides, hyperpigmentation. These are all things that are kind of the big heavy hitters. It increases the micro capillary circulation, which is so important for a lot of health in general. Circulation is so important, good for kidney weakness, low appetite, low immunity, macular degeneration, mast cell tumors, low night vision, a lot of stuff to do with the eye protein in the urine, it regulates ph, the ph levels in the digestive tract, respiratory weakness, stomatitis in the mouth, that inflammation of the the mouth, you can spray it in the mouth, it supports mitochondria. So it's really good for getting kind of the system back online and balancing your dog as an ecosystem. So as far as environmental, it really excels at cadmium, lead and aluminum and it's great at as an adjunct for breast cancer, colon cancer, leukemia, liver, lung, prostate, stomach and tongue cancers. Remember that is a adjunct and get some coaching on the amount. But you're gonna be using a more material dose and this one for dosages for environmental. I would do it for three months if there's a major issue, a month and a half, three times a year for regular aluminum detoxification. And we can do the 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 method. So 1 for extra small, 2 for.

Small, 3 for medium, 4 for large and 5 for extra large dogs.

Okay, so a couple of other ones. Now I talked about mountain pine before, right? And we want to talk about the opposite of mountain pine for dogs that are, shall we say, more on the cool side. So mountain pine deals with dogs that are on. And you can use it acutely. So you can use it for the mountain pine for the mercury in it for sure. But you want to not use it long term for the musculoskeletal issues for mountain pine if your dog is more to the cool to cold, like moving towards cold. And again, if you don't know what I'm talking about, check out my energetics course. But a warming remedy for the musculoskeletal system also for detoxifying certain environmental components like aluminum. Okay, so bilberry is cooling and does aluminum, but Virginia creeper is a nice, I mean it's a Nice warming remedy. So, exposures to aluminum, cadmium, cigarette smoke, too much copper, too much dioxin, too much iron, and xenobiotics. Okay, and again, the dosage is one to five when you're detoxifying metals. I would give three times a day.

So. Yeah.

So Virginia creeper. Let's just talk about it a little bit. So Virginia creeper is called Ampelopsis vecchi, and it is a M, P, E, L, O, P, S, I, S, and then W, E, I, T, C, H, I, I. Just so you know, if you're getting the right one, you always want to pay attention to the Latin name. They're using the young shoots. It's safe for autoimmune. It's safe long term. The only thing you want to avoid is you don't want to give it to dogs with anemia. It's safe for kitties. It definitely is good for, again, as an alternative to bilberry for aluminum and cadmium. But Virginia creeper can help with candida. It can help with cartilage damage, CCL tears, acl, CCL tears, connective tissue tears, Connective tissue issues, just like mountain pine, copper storage disease, dental decay, all types of degenerative arthritis, dry cough, joint weakness, high iron levels, hip dysplasia. It's really good for, like, stuck mucus in the respiratory system, parasites, spondyloidosis, spondylitis. I would definitely say it's, you know, it strengthens small joints. I'm just thinking about anything else that I could say for humans. It's good for carpal tunnel. It, you know, it takes a while, so I definitely would use it probably two to three months. I make an excellent combination of Virginia creeper. Phytoembryonic therapy of cannabis. So it's hemp, conaflavins and cbd. And it's really good for dogs that are cool to cold for mobility.

All right.

Oh, does it have any cancer adjuncts? So you can use it with colon cancer, leukemia, liver and lung cancers. Okay, those are gonna be three times a day and probably double or triple the dose. And I would definitely use a practitioner for that. And again, those are just helping with the issue. So not a cure. I'm just thinking if there's any other ones that I really like to use. I mean, I guess there is one. It's wheatgrass. Phytoembryonic therapy, the germinating seeds of wheat grass. They use that to draw out the phytoembryonic constituents. And that one is cooling. But it's really great at Removing toxins. It's also a good binder in the phytoembryonic form. It helps when you're removing any type of heavy metals for a dog that's cool to cold. So you can use that along with. And that's 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 as far as dosages are concerned.

Mold, detoxifying mold. So there's a couple of great detoxifiers.

In the phytoembryonic therapy component. Lemon tree, which is citrus, limenomum, I can't ever pronounce it. L I M O N U M. They use organic citrus for that. For organic citrus tree, it's the embryonic bark. It helps with mold immensely at detoxifying. And you can mix that with propolis. There's also a phytoembryonic of propolis, too. You can mix regular propolis with lemon tree. It's very, very good at getting rid of different types of mold. Okay, so I think that's about it for today. There's a lot of other ones that do things for getting rid of pharmaceuticals, but I will save that for another day. But I hope you can kind of get a gist of some of these powerful remedies that really do treat and detoxify at a cellular level for different types of detoxifying methods. And remember, you can use different types of binders. So just to go over different types of binders, we have zeolite, we have chlorella. There's also pectin, beninite, clay, humic acid, modified citrus. Pectin is another one that you can use. I'm just thinking, you know, even probiotics and prebiotics can help with detoxification. Fiber in general, chicory, dandelion root, elecampane root. These are all things that help with detoxifying different types of metals like mycotoxins, pesticides, heavy metals. You know, we discussed the cadmium and lead. So, you know, you want to use a binder if you feel your dog has been compromised and want that added.

Protection of.

These substances, binding to toxins and getting them out of your dog's body. Now, you know, you can use charcoal, but charcoal is pretty limited. You know, it can bind some types of drugs, some types of mold. Mold is, you know, charcoal is good for some mold toxins, those called mycotoxins and some pesticides. But it doesn't bind to heavy metals. It doesn't do it well at all. So I don't really recommend charcoal with that. Benedict Clay is good. It, it helps with mycotoxins. It helps with different types of heavy metals. It's not my number one. So, you know, I tend to stick to like zeolite and you know, chitisen is also a binder that's made from like shells of crabs and shrimp and other types of different types of shellfish. And I tend to use that more for humans and I not a big fan of it in, in, in dogs. I like chlorella. Chlorella is a really good binder. It's a, it's a safe blue green algae. It has lots of nutrients and amino acids and vitamins, minerals and definitely a lot of fiber. It gets rid of dioxins which are everywhere in the, like everywhere on the planet. It helps get rid of mercury and that's one of the reason why I really love it. And using multiple binders can help. Now the phytoembryonics in themselves help get.

Things out of the body.

Okay. They don't necessarily need a binder, but I like to use one. Chlorella is a good one in my opinion, especially when you're dealing with heavy metals in mercury. It's not the greatest for cadmium, but the phytoembryonics for cadmium will do the job definitely. Now modified citrus pectrin, it's made from like the pulp of citrus peels. You want to make sure that it's made from organic citrus peels for sure. And it definitely has binding, binding ability. It binds to heavy metals and it's good for getting arsenic out of the body as well, cadmium, lead, mercury. So it's good for that. It's good for mycotoxins, pesticides, herbicides, fungicides. So you can do modified citrus pectin for pups as well. Okay, so those are just some, some of the binders. I like a zeolite spray. I do carry that one in my store. I am going to start carrying modified citrus pectin, but I don't know when that could be a while. I'm trying to bring in some other different types of treats and dog related items from Super Zoo. So, you know, check those out pretty soon. I hope you enjoyed this detoxifying conversation. But I do want to thank my sponsor, Goodness gracious. Goodness gracious treats.com Amy Renz at Goodness Gracious is so gracious for helping us out here on the podcast and being our sponsor. Check out her treats, all of her gently. I believe it's called Gently.

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