Finding Or Becoming A Herbalist

Hi, this is Rita Hogan, and welcome to the Dogs Are Individuals podcast. I'm a clinical canine herbalist, and I've been practicing for over 20 years. This podcast is all about your dog through an herbal lens. So let's get to it and dive right in.

Hey, everyone. How are you guys doing? I hope you're doing well. I hope your dogs are doing well. I hope you're remembering to breathe and to sit with your dogs in silence a few times a day, or at least maybe a few times a week. They love it when you sit there and, you know, just kind of be with them. No phones, put those weapons down. Who just got back from Europe, spoke at the Natural Dog Expo out there, had a great time across the pond, went to England, Denmark, Scotland. Scotland and Ireland. Definitely don't do a good Scottish accent like my friend Adrian, but I can try or maybe I shouldn't. I'm not sure. People are relaxed over there. That's what I got. Like, that was nice. And dogs are pretty chill. And they were everywhere. I mean, everywhere. In restaurants, in coffee shops. They had a lot of cat like based tea houses, which was fun. I got to see Dr. Connor Brady, hang out with him a little bit. We went for a nice walk with him and my partner Heather, and that was lovely. In Wicklow. And then went up to Sligo, had the most amazing meal at a restaurant called Elan Bon. If you're ever in Sligo, Ireland, check that out. Oh, my God. And went to Denmark. I was sick in Denmark. I didn't like, out of the eight days we were there, I probably was only up on my feet for three, but such is life. Got a nice rest, Watched binge, watch some television. While I was sick. I had to sit straight up because I couldn't breathe. And, you know, it was the toe, the sore throat, the whole thing. And I haven't literally been sick in close to five years. And I was sick for like three days. Then thought I might have had the vid, but I didn't think I did. I locked myself in my bedroom that time and didn't come out for three days. But I hope you guys have been well. Before we get into it today, I do want to thank my sponsor, Green Juju. Green Juju is so awesome. Kelly and Billy really do a great job at innovation and transparency, which I absolutely love about their sourcing. Where things come from, I think that's important. A lot of people don't even know where their food comes from. Kids definitely don't know where their food comes from very few children actually know. What's that? A chicken nugget comes from a chicken. So, you know, I love transparency and Billy and Kelly really do a good job of that also. They have just come out with their frozen dog food and they're gonna have. Or they probably already do. I have to check in with them. But they have bulk boxes of their raw food and they just came out with a mushroom probiotic. I haven't gotten my hands on that yet because it's frozen. But I can't wait to ask for their product. Product in like a holistic store near you. You know, request it if it's not there. They are, I believe, nationwide in the United States. I'm not sure about Canada and England or anything. I. I'm not sure about. I don't think they've expanded that far. But you can learn a lot from them. Go to their social media pages. Green Juju. Check them out. They do great educational lives on different types of things. So check them out. Green juju. Green juju.com. and they are going to be having a commerce website pretty soon here. So I will let you know about that. Okay. So we are going to be talking today about a question that was written into the podcast. And you can write in your questions. Dear Rita, how do I become a master herbalist or certified herbalist, canine herbalist or herbalist in general? You know, that's a really good question. So a lot of people who discover herbs for the first time or the second or the third, really spark that innate relationship that we have with herbs again. And they get really jazzed up and they want to become an herbalist. And I don't blame them. I absolutely love my job, my career, my passion, my path in life. It's all of those things. Don't think I'll be ever stopping this one in the United States. I cannot speak for the uk. I think there's some sort of certification requirement there. Canada, I am not sure. Australia, do not know. But I can speak for the United States. Okay. There is no herbalist certification or like governed by a body of a, like professional title such as master herbalist or certified herbalist. I think in Canada it's chartered herbalistic. I don't know what the requirements for that is, but there's no certifying agency or licensing board for herbalists in the United States. And some of that is good and some of them not so good. I'm gonna lean on the side of good because we really don't want herbal medicine to be in the Hands of only people that can afford an expensive degree. Okay. That's where you start to get murky waters as far as I'm concerned. Now, there are groups that certify herbalists. One is the American herbalist Guild. I go by their code of ethics. They've been around for a long time. They have a term called a registered herbalist, and that means registered with the American herbalist Guild. And has been through their certification process. Now, I've been wanting to apply for that for, like, the last seven to eight years. It's quite enduring process to apply. I've been too busy to do so, but it is on my list. But I got to get past this book and do some other things before I can get there. And it, you know, it's just a title for me. I. You know, for me, I. I'm right where I want to be. And that's through hard work and daily practice and working with mentors and reading literature and researching and looking into my herbalist history and doing all those things that you do in a good herbalism school. My mentor, one of my mentors, Matthew Wood, has the Matthew Wood institute of herbalism. And then another mentor of mine and who Matthew was, one of his mentors is Saja Popham, who has the evolutionary school of herbalism for people. Love, love, love that. I love both of those schools. They're really great. Have some really great programs that. Then there's a Chestnut school of herbal medicine, which has a great blog on certification. I really love all three of those schools. And there's some really great schools out there. There's Bastyr, where they have a naturopathic degree in Seattle. There's some good herbal schools in, like, Scotland and England and Australia that you could go to to get a degree if you want to do that, but you don't have to. But when someone says they're a master herbalist or a certified herbalist, it just depends on who they have certified with. But again, like essential oils, there is no governing body, you know, with a consensus, no agency, no licensing boards, none of that stuff. And so, again, you can earn a college degree in herbalism, but it still doesn't make you a valid herbalist. It just makes you an herbalist with a college degree. Now, you can become a certified Chinese herbalist from the Qi Institute, I believe, or you can become an acupuncturist, or you can get the big guns and then go become a naturopathic doctor. And that requires a medical degree. I saw some hokey $97 or something. Naturopathic certification on Facebook. And I wanted to just. Well, I didn't know if I wanted to throw up or laugh. Nah. If someone is a naturopath, you need to make sure that they are a medical doctor of naturopathy, because there is no such thing as a naturopathic doctor for animals with any type of certification that doesn't come from a college for $97. So that's insane. And I'm sure it's got some good information in there, but wow. So, you know, there's that. And currently I am building a herbalism school. It's called the ethos school of herbalism of canine Herbalism. And I'm just doing it slowly. I have my level one canine herbalism certification. I've made my programs affordable. I believe it's $375. It will go up after next year to 425 or 450. But right now it's $375. And it's, you know, I would say it's going to take a good six to eight months to complete, depending on how you learn. Right now we're in the first year, and it's a level one, two, three and four. That's four years. If you come in with already some really good skill, then you can do it in three. But again, it is a certification from me that I think you have what it takes to be a certified canine herbalist through the Ethos school of canine herbalism. Now, that's the same as the evolutionary herbalism school, Matt woods school. He's giving you a certification once you finish that you have finished his program. Okay. And you are a certified herbalist or certified canine herbalist. But I want you to understand that there is no official. Like, if you go and get a PhD, you're getting a PhD from a school and you have a PhD and it means something in this country. The other does not. So from my understanding now, if you have a different. If you know something else, let me know. But, you know, there's lots of good courses that you can take in herbalism or natural medicine for dogs. And I encourage you to take as many as you are drawn to. Right. And again, you can take a Chinese herbalist course. You can go to the Qi Institute. I don't know if you have to be a veterinarian or what kind of accreditation you have to have to enter the Chi Institute for tcvm. I'm not positive, but I just really want to clear the air so that you understand what you are seeing online because I see all these little things pop up and I'm like, it's very deceiving. Okay, I know. I've had multiple, multiple people write into the podcast and ask me if they finished my level one course, are they a certified canine herbalist? And the answer is no. You will get a certificate that you finished my level one course. Absolutely. But are you a certified herbalist, Canine herbalist? No. It's going to take more than one year to do that. And it takes time to learn. It takes time to learn things. Don't rush it, you know? Don't rush it. Yes. You get that new car smell, like, oh, hey, well, I want to be an herbalist and I want to do it now. That's not how things work. And if you talk to the plants and be with the plants and commune with the plants, they will get you to understand, to slow down and take what comes to you and take actions every day. To be a better herbalist, to understand plants in all of their facets, to look at herbs holistically. You know, My book's coming out on. What is it? February 4th. If you haven't pre ordered my book, please do so. You can pre order it at Barnes and Noble. You can Amazon uk, Amazon Canada, Amazon United States, bam. You can order it from my publisher, which is Inner Traditions Publishing. You can order it at the bookshop. You can go to Simon and Schuster and find it. It is a traditionally published book. Okay. It's not in any way self published, so I have to wait for it to come out. And you have to order it through the traditional channels. I will have some on my website once my book comes out. And people are gonna be carrying it in their dog stores. There is that, but that won't be till after the 4th of February. In my book, I mention that, you know, it takes time to learn herbalism and you just have to breathe and go through it and trust the process and enjoy the process. Cause it's really all about the process, you know, I know people want to start practicing, but like if you already have a dog practice, some type of dog practice, be it training or nutrition or just basic kind of natural remedy skills, supplements, things like that, tcvm you can add to your skill set. Okay? But in order to become a really good, well rounded herbalist, you've got to do the work. You know, you don't want to just be an armchair herbalist where you just read a book and then you have an opinion and that's it. You want to get out There you want to, you know, touch the plants, work with them, make medicine, commune with them, smell them, you know, discover their different parts, their leaves, their herb, their roots, their flowers. You know, really get to know those plants. So back to herbal certification. Most of the programs out there, you know, really will give you a certificate of completion, right? I do. Other ones do. And you want to make sure you're having, you know, do that. But when you are looking for an herbalist, you know, ask them how long they've been practicing. Ask them how long, how many clients they think they've seen in their career. And they may be just starting out. And there's nothing wrong with that. Fresh eyes are great. I just got done training a group of women for close to five years, four and a half years, you know. And have they seen a ton of clients? No, but I oversee a lot of their work. We meet once a month, and they've all been certified by me. And literally every single Thursday for four and a half years, I think I. I think I missed about 10 classes with them. Every Thursday they showed up. It was amazing, like, and they got me to show up. And it's part of the reasons why, reason how I wrote my book. So, you know, ask people, what kind of clinical experience do you have? That's really important. You know, you need to be on the front lines with people, working with protocols, getting to know those herbs, understanding them, and that should be definitely part of a certification program. And also working with people slowly and building up your repertoire of kind of how. What herbs you kind of gravitate towards. Because a lot of herbalists will use like 15 and under herbs in their practice that they use a lot, and then they'll fill in with other herbs. There's so many paths to healing, okay? So many paths to healing. And I think that's really important so that you understand that diseases and chronic issues can be healed with tcvm, traditional Chinese medicine. They can be healed with homeopathy, sound healing, reiki, you know, herbalism, different flower essences, essential oils. There's all these different paths to healing. And I think that it's such a varied amount that you wanna figure out what type of herbalist you're talking to or what type of herbalist do you want to be? Because, you know, you don't need an official herbal degree to practice herbal medicine. And that's one of the things I love about the United States, because when you take the medicine out of people's hands, I think that's a travesty. Because herbal Medicine comes from our surroundings, from our environment. We all should have access to it, and all should have access to learning it and sharing with others. But when you're on the other end looking for an herbalist, just ask questions. You know, where did you learn herbalism? Did you go to a school? Have you learned through mentorship? You know, are you more of a traditional herbalist, which you learn from handing down of information? That's definitely who I am. I have worked with mentors. I have, you know, I'm very. I read books. Prolific book reader. I grow my own herbs. I make my own herbal medicine. I get out there in the wild and discover more and more herbs. I recently went to Santa Barbara, and there were so many plants there that I had never met. Oh, my God. I was taking pictures left and right. Gonna go back and do, like a flower essence trip for a couple of weeks there and gather some flower essences and start working with some new essences, just. And you know, what's great about herbalism is you can just make up what you want to, like, work with and gravitate towards, and that might change over time. You know, that's part of what's called a practice. And I think it's important to get connected with other people who practice herbalism, too, and see how they practice and what they believe. I know that I personally am a part of so many different herbalists that I have come across and learned from and taken bits here and bits there. You know, my dad's in there, my grandma's in there. I'm in there. You know, so many different herbalists are in my Persona and my soul that I have learned from, and I have taken bits of their things and put it through my processes and how I see the world and then come out with something new. I know that I've taken a lot of human herbalism and brought it through my way of thinking and mapped it on to canines. And that's been my life's work, and I will continue to do so. And I work with humans and dogs and some kitties and recently some horses. So it's just. It's how you want to be, how you want to express yourself, and how you want to do it. So there's herbalists that see people in consulting. I do that. There's herbalists that just make medicine. There's herbalists that just work with practitioners. There's so many different types of herbal remedies. There's so many different types of herbal medicine in general. And so it's really fun to look at all of that. You know, I think that it's fun to just kind of look into those things. And so when you see those titles, master herbalist just depends on where they learn their herbalism stuff from. It doesn't make them any better than another person that doesn't use the herbalist term. Master herbalist. It just. You want to know what kind of experience people have or certified herbalist. Where did they get the certification from? Did they get their certification from that $97 course online that's supposed to. For $97, you're supposed to be able to see clients. At the end of that, I don't know if I'd. I don't know how I'd want to do that. I'd want to know someone's experience first. You know, what were they doing to get to be able to see clients? Did they have someone looking over them while they saw their first clients? I know that, you know, I oversee a lot of my students, work with other people Just to make sure that their protocols are sound and work well together. The herbs that they've chosen or the supplements that they've chosen. So, you know, you want to make sure that they have a little guidance in their first year or two. And then there's people that, you know, everyone's an individual. And then there's people that are just, you know, brilliant and get it really quickly and can practice pretty quickly. And I love being around those people. Right. I love that I learned so much. And remember, you do not have to agree with your mentors and teachers 100%. You really want to have some critical thinking there. Critical thinking is part of being human, and it's part of being a really good herbalist. Okay? So you might be asking yourself, rita, so how do I learn? How do I learn to become an herbalist? There's many, many ways you can read. You can get out in the world and just start discovering plants. Look up everything you want to know about that plant. Ask questions. Get someone to mentor you. Get an apprenticeship with someone. You want a strong foundation in herbalism, okay? Constituents chemistry. If you want to be a canine herbalist, you, need to learn about physiology of the dog. If you want to be a human herbalist, you, need to learn about how the body works, okay? And there's courses, classes, YouTube. So many ways. Again, mentorship, apprenticeship. There's so many ways to learn those things. You have to figure out what's the best way that you learn. You know, when you're working with acquiring training in herbalism, you want to learn how to. Okay, so how do I get this education? Do I want to go? Do I want it to be online? Do I want it to be an in person school? How much money do I have to learn herbalism? Is there herbalism assistance? Can you do it on a budget? Yes, you can. Especially those beginner herbalism courses. You know, you may find out after one or two of those courses, you don't want to become an herbalist or that you just can't get enough and you've got to, you know, keep on going. There's different types of things, you know, in herbalism too. There's. There's botany. There is again making herbal medicine. There is working with essential oils and flower essences. And you may be gravitate towards homeopathy, which is the opposite of herbalism, but has a lot of plants in through that system of medicine. I don't think a lot of people know until they get into it. Now a lot of people ask me, you know, is your school accredited? No, it is not. Now I'm trying to get my courses accredited with race, which has to do with like getting credit when you're a veterinarian or a vet tech or something like that. But that probably won't be for another year or so. And that's so that people can take my courses to get credit for what their kind of institution requires. But in the United States, there is no really accredited herbalism course. You can go to an accredited university, but it still does not make you an accredited herbalist. There is no accreditation for herbalists in the United States. There are accredited universities though. So if you feel like you need that, you can go get that. But even if you go get a master's in herbalism from a university, it does not give you those skills to see clients to right off the bat, right? You still have to learn how to see clients. You need to. How to work with clients. You need to. How to make protocols. You need to get out in the forest and in your yard and meet those plants. You do not want to be just a herbalist. That is just reading and taking a test and then decide that you know everything about herbs. That just really doesn't. How. It's not how it works. It's part of how it works. Right? It's part of how it works. I wouldn't be. Oh my God, if I. I got my books taken away, I would just be a mess. But I would be fine because I can go out and I can taste the herbs. I can learn about the herbs, I can find other herbalists and I can talk to them, and I can interact with people and use my brain. Okay, using your brain is really important. And with the dawn of AI, artificial intelligence, everyone is artificial intelligence crazy right now. I don't mind that, but it's not going to give you those skills that you need to become a great herbalist. It's going to give you information, maybe about certain herbs, but it depends on who put that information into the AI Is it just the crap that you find on Google? You know, so I don't think there's any replacement from. From learning from someone who's been around for a really long time. I mean, our elders are so important to information and the way that we use information. And remember that if you stop using your brain and ask everyone else for the answers, you're going to lose the ability of your brain to be a critical thinker, to use your brain and have it be healthy. So we really need. There's a fine line with that. You know, I think AI can really help, you know, customer service, finding things on websites, finding answers to, you know, can echinacea be used with goldenseal? Is there any, you know, side, like, interactions there that would be great for AI, you know, or how many teaspoons equal tablespoon, or any of those types of questions that we can, like, type into Google or. I know, like, Dr. Connor Brady uses A.I. he's put his book into A.I. he's training this little bot to help him help others with the information and all of the science. God. You know, AI sifting through science is a really great thing. But don't forget the importance of talking to real people and using your brain power and your ability to critically think, because we cannot lose that. So there's that, too. And it's a big part of being an herbalist is to question and disagree and agree and come up with new thoughts of your own, come up with new theories. You know, theories aren't just for the people of the past and our scholars. They're for everyone. You know, you may have a brilliant idea that no one else has had, like, why hasn't anyone thought of that? And I use it this way, and it works great. You know, that's just. Those things are just wonderful. Okay, so let's talk about legalities. As I said, you know, herbalists aren't really regulated, but what can and can't they do? And some of that is like, free choice. I know. I don't work with dogs with diabetes or congested Heart failure, because it's too risky for me. And I think that all herbalists should speak about what kind of code of conduct they adhere themselves to. And as an herbalist, you can't diagnose anything. You can't prescribe. When someone uses the word rita prescribed, I correct them right away. I don't prescribe. I recommend herbals. You can't treat medical disease. You can balance the body out. In order to treat medical disease, you, need a medical license in the United states. But we can recommend and we can sell and dispense, as it's the term dispense, specific herbs and herbal combinations. We can educate people. We can make medicine for people, herbal medicine, but we're not there to diagnose any issues. Now, I use traditional chinese medicine, diagnostics in many ways. In my practice, I'm not diagnosing disease. I'm diagnosing or observing imbalances in the body, how the body is talking, and my theory on how the body is talking. So when you're working with an herbalist, be careful that you don't use the words to your vet that they prescribe something because they didn't, or that they're treating your dog for something because they're not for a specific disease. They're balancing. You balance the thyroid, you balance the liver, you help balance the kidneys, you help adjust the ecosystem. It's your vet's job to cure disease According to the law of the United states of america. I can't speak to other countries, but they're roughly the same. If another thing is herbalists don't really like. Well, I mean, you're not supposed to. And I tell people. I cannot tell people to go off their medication. We can educate people about medication or maybe the side effects, but we're not allowed to tell people to go off their medication. I can tell people what I would do with my own dog. Okay, so we can have conversations with people, but we don't have much to say about pharmaceuticals, and we are not allowed to make a medical diagnosis. I send people to the vet for that. And I think that, you know, when you become an herbalist, when you're working towards becoming an herbalist, you. You need to know how to be an ethical herbalist and how to follow the rules of whatever country you're in so that you don't get yourself in trouble. Also, you want to work with someone that, I would say, meets you where you're at. I truly believe in meeting people where they're at, and I think it's a Good quality in a practitioner of any type. Someone that doesn't berate you or make you feel terrible. They might explain, you know, what you're. What you're doing that isn't working for your dog or your person, but, you know, help you understand how to make the necessary steps to get well again. Or to balance out your dog's body or your. Your body. I think that the legalities of being an herbalist. Needs to be looked at in any type of program, you know, where you get to the point where you're talking about practicing, okay? And again, you know, if you're getting your herbal certificate From a college, you're going to. You're going to learn about the legalities. But for any certification program, you need to learn about the legalities. And some of those, you know, they may point you in the right direction if you're in a different country. The beauty of the Internet is that, you know, you can take different courses from people around the world, but you need to know the legalities of your own country and. Or city, if that makes any sense. I think that that pretty much covers it. But if you see certain titles, Just find out what they're for, what they're about, how they got them. And, you know, I think one of the most important parts. When you're gonna work with someone Is how much experience do they have with working with clients one on one. That's really important. And don't count them out. If they haven't seen a lot of clients, Just make sure that they're getting overseen by someone else. And that they're explaining. Because, you know, everyone has their first sets of clients. They have their first year of practice, right? And I think it's beautiful, but you just want to ask questions. That's all you want to ask questions. What are your concerns with working with an herbalist? And if you want to be an herbalist, what kind of herbalist do you want to be? Where do you get those skills to learn herbalism in the way that you want to want to be. And then speaking to and about you, like, speaking about yourself to other people, like, how's that gonna go? What words are you gonna use? You know, I know that I am a canine herbalist, and I made that up. Oh, my God. Like, I think in, like, 20, 25. No, 25. What am I, not even 25? 2005, 2006, something like that. I'm not great with timelines, but really early on, right after I started writing, so maybe 2006, someone asked me, you know, what kind of herbalist? I was. And I was like, I'm a canine herbalist. I mean, all I do is work with dogs. So I kind of took that and made it into something. And they didn't really have language for that. I knew that a lot of people worked with animals. There were animal herbalists. But I decided just to focus on dogs. And so I called myself a canine herbalist. So I put CH behind my name. But CH also stands for clinical herbalist. And that is definitely me. I'm a clinical herbalist. I work with people in my clinic. One on one, Monday through Friday. So I'm a clinical herbalist as well. And I've been a clinical herbalist for a really long time. Even when I didn't have like a. Kind of like a. An official clinic. When I didn't work with people one on one in a, like a professional manner, I was working with people one on one, figuring out, hey, this is something I want to do. I'm really good at helping people, you know, pat myself on the back and stuff like that. But some of my first clients were my dog boarding clients. That their dogs were sick. And I would help them and help get their dogs better in the knowledge that I knew at that time. And, you know, knowledge always changes. And be open to that if you're going to become an herbalist. And also if you're working with people, you know, the people that you're working with aren't infallible. Okay? None of us are infallible. So be kind. Ask questions. If someone rubs you the wrong way, go find another person. If your gut goes off, like, I don't think this person is for me. Go find a different person. There's so many beautiful humans out there that are helping animals. There's so many beautiful herbalists and natural practitioners. Go find one. They're out there. Find one that matches you. Okay? So I hope that I have answered a few of your questions about becoming a certified herbalist as far as I'm concerned. You know, like I said, I love some of the human schools. I don't know all of them. I know the chestnut school of medicine has a great herbal school directory. I'm not on it yet. My school's not done yet. But for me, I have my level one certification course. Which will next year will be level two. You can start the level one at any time. But the level two will be out next year. And then level three will be out the year later. And then the level four. Now level three and level four will be Just practitioner modules. So learning how to practice and doing protocols and working with clients and things like that. Level one and two, if you want to learn like all about herbs and have some interaction, especially like in level two, and kind of have a structured setting in which to learn herbalism and get out there and meet your plants in your neighborhoods and stuff like that, then that's for you. The Level 1 is for anyone who wants to learn about herbs in general and wants to use it for their, their home and their, their dogs and stuff like that. And level two, two can be that way as well. But the three and four levels that are not out yet, they'll be out in two years from now. Those are going to be practitioners. So I'm just starting up my school and again it will be an accreditation of my own making. So my own certificate and my biggest thing, you know, it's not the certificate is it's do I think that you can see clients and be successful in your practice and cause benefit and help clients work with their vets and help clients heal their dogs with herbs and different types of modalities that I work with. That's my most important part when I work with anyone and certify anybody. Okay. If you have any questions, write into the podcast. I hope this was informative for your people. For anybody that you know is looking for an herbalist or wants to be an herbalist, you know, any more questions, just let me know. Let me know. I'm happy to answer them. So before we move on, let's thank real mushrooms. So realmushrooms.com, i carry them in my store. I love their bulk powder so much. Really digging on Tremella right now because I'm feeling kind of dry and Tremella is nice moisturizing mushroom for the gut, brings moisture, good for dryness, good for the nails, the skin, the coat. 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