Rotational Monofeeding vs. Seasonal Diets: What’s Best for Your Dog?

Hi, this is Rita Hogan and welcome to the Dogs Are Individuals podcast. I'm a clinical canine herbalist and I've been practicing for over 20 years. This podcast is all about your dog through an herbal lens. So let's get to it and dive right in. Hi everyone. Welcome back to the podcast. I hope you're having a great week. I know I am. I am about to leave for Super Zoo in Vegas. Vegas is now not my favorite place to visit, except I have two lovely friends there and I just, when I go there to see them, I just pretend I'm not in Vegas. But I am going to Vegas for Super Zoo and I'm looking forward to it. It's going to be a good time. I'm going to see some of our podcast sponsors there. I'm going to see Amy Renz of Goodness Gracious. I'm going to see Kelly and Billy of Green juju. I'm going to see the Real Mushrooms team. 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And you know, this is a really fun food. I had a great time helping Amy round this recipe out. She wanted to make a recipe for Brain Health and I said, let's do it. So I came in kind of, you know, towards the end. But this recipe has turkey. It has turkey liver, spinach, wild caught mackerel, organic lion's mane mushroom, kale oysters, organic broccoli sprouts, organic artichoke, red bell peppers, cantaloupe, organic sprouted dried sunflower seeds, sprouted almonds. Those are organic blueberries, ground eggshell, organic reishi mushroom. And it's a hot water extract, organic dried skull cap, organic dried nettle leaf, and organic dried kelp. And there's a little Rita Hogan sprinkled throughout that recipe. So check them out@goodnessgracioustreats.com and you know, variety is key when it comes to feeding your healthy dog. And I know I talk about energetics and how important it is and especially for those dogs that are having a, you know, an issue, you want to really keep them to an energetically appropriate diet. But for those dogs that love variety, that can calve variety, these are ways to work that variety in. You know, keep rotating, rotating, rotating. And Jive is a lovely Brain health recipe. Check it out again @goodness gracious treats.com okay, so what are we talking about today? Well, I got a great email for, for the podcast email@canineherbalist.com Cheryl writes in thoughts on rotational Mono feeding. Hi Rita. I'm a big fan. Thanks, Cheryl. I wanted to get your thoughts on rotational mono feeding diet for dogs. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the way she recommends feeding and her comments on herbs not being helpful for the body and actually causing more stress on the body. Let's talk about that, shall we? Okay, so first, who has come up with this diet called rotational mono feeding? It's a woman whose name is Nora Lentz and she has a website called rotationalmonofeeding.com. and I do not personally know Nora. She sounds like a very interesting person. She sounds like she's a free thinker, which I absolutely love. I have went through her material in depth over the last couple days. Cause I was excited to answer this question. And you know, there's lots of good takeaways for what she's talking about. And then, you know, I myself am not a monofeeder and I will explain what that is. But I don't know if I would do mono feeding. I have dealt. I've done like a kind of type of mono feeding with humans before. With dogs, I prefer a seasonal approach. I prefer a diet that is kind of dictated from nature. And I'll be coming out with that course and probably a nice book called the Seasonal Dog, probably after next year when my first book comes out. But I think that one of the things that we need to consider is dogma is kind of what. What are you using that word for? Dogmatic approaches. The approaches that are truth and don't have any wiggle room. So for me, there are so many ways to healing. I've seen miracles happen with homeopathy, with herbalism, with feeding, different types of diets. Feeding might be one of those types of diets that has created a miracle in dogs for sure. You know, Juliet Debarcli Leve, who is a hero of mine, she's a pioneer in the animal husbandry and herbalist community. You know, she had very strange ways of feeding her dog. She would put their raw meat under the ground and let her dog dig it up. I love the interaction and relationship that she had with her dog. I loved all the things that she did with her dog. Would I do it with my dogs? Not a lot of it. I mean, not the digging a hole and putting my raw food in the hole for my pugs. That probably wouldn't go over that well with them. But I do play, find the food inside my yard, which they absolutely love, and gives them some interaction and like play. But when we come across different types of you should do this this way and you need to do it this way or this is going to be the consequences. Dogs are individuals and I stand by that. And I most likely will stand by that until I go into the ether and become dust. I There are individuals and people are individuals. And what works for one may not work for another. And it depends on what type of person you are. When you follow certain types of principles. You know, you have to do what you're comfortable with. You have to do what is good for your dog. You have to advocate for what is good for your dog. And again, there are so many ways to health. You know, there's traditional Chinese medicine again, homeopathy, herbalism, Ayurveda, functional medicine. So many ways in which I have seen wonderful healing and getting back the body into balance. So for me, it's nature dictates that through the season, first through the seasons, through the rotations around the sun. And you know, I've shared a little bit about that with you in past podcasts and I'll share more. But you know, my way is not the highway. What I say isn't true, right? It's true for me and it may be true for someone else listening. But take what you want, take what resonates with you and leave the rest. It doesn't make me wrong. God knows I've been wrong a million times. But being wrong is definitely a. A God or goddess given right. I think what most people need to understand is that the majority of health practitioners have their best of intentions. You know, they have the best of intentions. Even my friends, the allopathic kibble feeding vets, who happens to be a best friend of my partner, they definitely feel that they're doing the best job that they know how. And it may not be the job for us. And that is their path in life. We have to do what's good for us. And I think the blame game needs to stop. So that's one thing I don't want to hear about the blame game. I want to hear about what people are doing to positively move forward in this maze of life and this debacle that has happened in our food system that is affecting both dogs and cats and every species. Okay, that's what I want to hear about. Like, how are you trying to make a difference now? Nora is definitely trying to make a difference with her rotational mono feeding. I love that she believes highly in field observation science. I definitely am a big believer in field observation science. You know, using the observations and anecdotal evidence that has continued to replicate themselves to come up with new theories and new ways of doing things. I definitely really appreciate that about Nora. I think that her belief that lab based kind of results are not that of true like everyday life. I also totally agree on that for sure. Rotational mono feeding is the process in which you feed dogs a certain thing on a certain day and you don't cross the streams. Like, I'm not a huge fan of feeding dogs things out of the sea at the same times as you're feeding something from land, I've never been a fan of that. And where did I get that? Dogs seem to have issues when you feed them fish along with, like, say, beef. I find them to have better stomachs when you don't do that. When I feed fish on one day and, you know, beef on the next, and that's just an example. Some dogs have zero problems with doing that. It's not an absolute. There's so much gray in everything that we're doing, and people want absolutes. They don't want any gray areas. A lot of people don't want to think for themselves. And I don't blame you. I'm definitely a free thinker and it's gotten me into a lot of trouble in my life, but I'm going to stick with it despite. And it's not a better than or I'm better than you or you're better than me. We need to stop that. We're all humans just trying to again, make our way through this maze. And mono feeding doesn't believe that dogs would eat meat and vegetables on the same day. It believes that they would naturally eat those on different days. So basically they would gorge on some type of animal, and then after they get done eating the next day, they might forage on plants or have some berries and kind of repeat this process. And they also fast naturally in the wild. I believe all this to be true and I can totally get behind it, but I don't think it's an absolute. Dogs are individuals. One thing that I love about Nora's thoughts is that, you know, it's all about expenditure. How much you're feeding your dog versus how much you're exercising your dog. And I will say one thing. Never before in history have dogs and people eaten so much food. Okay. And food is so much part of our culture and in our own house culture, I think feeding the dog is. Is very much part of their culture and what they're used to. Whereas if they were wild, they'd be used to something else. They'd be used to fasting, they'd be used to eating when they caught something, and they'd be used to. Used to scarcity and foraging. You know, some dogs need to be told that it's okay for them to forage. My dog Susie, growing up, she foraged all the time. She lived until she was between 24 and 27 years old. And no, 26. 26, something like that. But she was old comparatively. And she didn't practice mono feeding, but she did practice foraging and she wasn't fixed and she wasn't vaccinated. She led a pretty healthy natural lifestyle and a very seasonal lifestyle because she ate with the seasons of our farm and our garden, and she ate with the seasons. I mean, that's what she did, because that's what we did. And I mean, for the most part. And I think that Nora, you know, has a good point about that, because, again, we've never seen people eat this much. My mother is 94 years old, and she lived through the Great Depression, and she has these really great stories of that. My grandmother mainly fed herbs, plants, fruits, foraged items, and then she would take a chicken or a part of a cow and get, like, a roast. And that roast would feed their family for like a week, A week. And people worked, and people weren't sitting on the couch playing video games all day. The average American dog gets around 15 minutes of exercise per day. That's a travesty. And you need to feed for expenditure. So I like what Nora's talking about with that. She talks about in her motto feeding book, she talks about waste accumulation in the body. And, you know, as you've heard me talk about liver health and lipomas and movement and the lymphatic system, waste is an issue. We have to get the waste out of the body and try to minimize waste going in the body and the formation of waste in the body. And yes, dogs who are wild have definitely left less waste than domesticated dogs. So I really like that philosophy. In Nora's rotational mono feeding, another thing that she talks about is that we don't want to feed foods that further burden the body. Now, I agree with that from an energetic perspective. Now, she doesn't talk about energetics and rotational mono feeding, and that's okay, because this is, you know, we're talking about her method of feeding, and for me, energetics is a huge component of that. However, dogs are individuals, so foods that are going to burden the body are going to change. I agree with Nora that kibble is poison, and I agree with Nora that a lot of our commercial foods are damaging, absolutely. But the individual dog and the food and their chemical reactions that happen in that body are going to determine what foods are going to burden the body further down the road. Mono feeding is, you know, to me, as I read through this material, it's very much based on food combining. And I've tried food and combining before and had very excellent results with it. And. And no, I think that it hasn't been done with dogs, but I think In a lot of ways, we do that naturally when we feed with the seasons. And it is very interesting and I think it deserves some thought. For sure. I mean, there's, you know, there's foods that produce acid and then there's alkaline foods. So, you know, acid producing foods are all meats, you know, all different types of meats. You know, poultry, like birds, fish, dairy, you know, things that are products of birds, fish, meat. And then there's grains and processed foods, and then there's alkaline foods. And those are things like, you know, seeds, quinoa and wild rice and legumes and fruits, vegetables. These are more alkaline. And you know, the bodies. When you're talking about diets, there's. I was having a conversation with some colleagues the other day and we were talking about diets. And you know, people feed their dogs the same diets all the time. And we need to look at what their dogs actually need from a diet. You know, do they need a cleansing diet? Do they need a building diet? Do they need a new, you know, a maintenance diet? And I think, you know, in a. Just kind of a different style. I think that's exactly what Nora is offering with her diet. But, you know, I find it quite dogmatic, but some, you know, very stringent, strict. And that doesn't need any wiggle room. Like if you are modifying it anyway, you're not doing the rotational manifeeding diet. And that's fine because she has developed this diet, it's her diet and she wants it done a certain way. Totally get that. And that's okay for sure. But, you know, I am not a big believer in that. There's no wiggle room for the individual dog. What I do like is that she talks about that you can do rotational mono feeding, higher carb or low carb, high meat or low, low meat, you know, low protein or high protein. And I do like that she just has certain rules for what you feed on what day. So the body can, can deal. And back to the conversation of that. There has never ever been a time before in this world where. Well, that I know of that we've allowed ourselves to eat so much food. We eat so much food. We eat breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks. It's a lot. And that's a lot to remove from the body too. And we don't give the body the time to rest. You know, that's, in my opinion, why intermittent fasting for humans works so well in so many cases, because you're just allowing the body to rest. And work on cleansing what you have eaten. And after it gets to a certain point, like if you're doing like maybe, let's just say a three day fast, you get to a point where you're starting to kill off viruses and dead cells and starting to clean out the body. And there's a whole school of thought on cancer research where you're using fasting as a means to kill the cancer and in some schools to prevent cancer. So I think there's a good. I think there's a good underlying thought with rotational mono feeding. I mean, it's not even. I mean, I guess it's the underlying purpose, right? The underlying purpose of it. And I think that's kind of the whole idea around feeding our dogs one time per day to allow the rest of the day to process the food and cut down on waste production and focus on elimination, lymphatic stimulation, and the list goes on. And for, you know, talking about feeding your dogs once a day makes people get a little crazy, you know, and that's okay because, you know, well, I know for my pug, Ronin, there'd be a coup. And. Well, I've tried it and there is a coup, but I have created a workaround which is he gets goat's milk, a couple of tablespoons and just something tiny in his bowl for dinner. He doesn't get much at all. And his sister, Figgy, Figgy Nubbins, she only chooses to eat once a day. And then I had a dog named Seamus who would eat. He would eat a lot, like, say Monday, he would eat. He'd want to eat like two bowls of food, you know, just keep filling it up, lady. And so he would eat a lot, and then he wouldn't eat for like three days. Then he'd do it again. And then a couple days, he'd look at me like, I don't want to eat now. And he would eat when he wanted to eat. And I let him do it because he was maintaining his weight. He was healthy. He lived. He lived until he was about, I think, almost 18. And he was a good little dog. One of the things that Nora is starting, like, trying to get people to understand is that, you know, some dogs are highly acidic, and that highly acidic condition, right, can lead to disease. And so by controlling how dogs eat acid and how dogs eat alkaline food and not having them eat it together is, I think, what she's trying to, like being a proponent of, being a proponent of. Now, Nora, I do not think is a big proponent of variety she mainly likes dogs to eat raw fruit and not a lot of vegetable matter. And she doesn't believe that dogs do need a lot of variety. Now, for me, that would be fine if dogs were living outside and forging themselves on fruit trees and, you know, given options and all that kind of stuff. But that's not really how we're feeding them, is it? So for me, dogs need variety in a seasonal manner, and I don't want people feeding the same food all the time, seven days a week, 365 days a year. I don't think that is a good thing. And that's definitely not what Nora's talking about. But she's not a big believer in variety, and she does not believe in dogs eating vegetable matter for the most part. Not completely, but for the most part. She's a proponent of less is more, which, you know, I can get behind. I can get behind, but I like less is more. I do think people are over supplementing their dogs. They're over herbaling their dogs, they're over feeding their dogs. But I do believe wholeheartedly that people are doing it with the best of intentions and are trying to help their dogs. And I think people need to understand how the body works more. My book will help you understand that when it comes out. And again, it's according to how I look at dogs in general. And you don't need to take it as fact. Just see what resonates with you and then move on. That's what I always recommend to people. Now, again, back to rotational monofeeding. So what Nora's suggesting in rotational monofeeding is that you just don't feed meat and plants or fruit together on the same day. She has a lot of ways that you can do the rotational monofeeding. You can do it, have a plant day and a meat day, and just go back and forth, back and forth. You can have two plant days and one meat day, and then go back and forth, back and forth. You can have one plant day, two meat days, and then fast a day. And then there are some people that use this diet to feed mainly vegetables and fruit, and then have one meat day per week. There's a lot of ways to go about it. You can have three meat days, four meat days, you can have all meat days. And I don't know the complete gist of it. So I'm not speaking from experience. I have not fed this diet to my dog. I'm not saying I never would, but I have not done it. So I'm just going by what is in Nora's ebook, the rotational mono feeding guide explains, you know, that it takes time for dogs to get used to wanting to eat plants. And I totally agree with that. We all need patience whenever we switch diets. Dogs are used to certain things and they're, you know, I do not believe they're ever going to starve themselves, but it may take them time to come, you know, to that situation. My cats are the same way. You know, my cats, well, we do. Our cats do a lot of foraging in our kitchen on things that we're eating, and they eat what they want to eat, really. But it does take them a while to come around to other things besides what they're used to. And we do need to have patience. Okay, so that being said, let's get back to, you know, a little bit more about rotational mono feeding. And again, it is definitely based on how dogs eat in the wild. It can be a rotational diet. You can see how your dogs do on it. And I do, from reading the testimonials and experiences from people, I see that it does take about six months to a year to kind of overturn what is happening in your current diet system and to be successful on rotational mono feeding. Now, that is just a blanket statement. It's not true for the individual dog on the diet. And so it's really based on giving your dog time to clean out their system and to repair and for the body to come back into balance. I do like all of those facets of the diet. I just don't think that the diet is for every dog. And I think healing can be accomplished in so many ways. I do know that Nora is not big on herbs and plants in general as far as using plants for healing. She mainly is going to be using foods and fruits for healing. And, well, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. That's it. And I'm totally okay with being, you know, agreeing to disagree, but I've seen plants bring dogs back to balance. Complete, healthy dogs, good for so many years in a row, doing just fine. I think, you know, even with the rotational mama feeding diet, you're going to have to make adjustments. And so I do think that it is another path. Right. And good for Nora for observing what is happening with many diets or what is happening and coming up with a new theory and hypothesis and working a diet out and trying it out and seeing if it works on her dogs, and then, of course, you know, sharing it with other people. And I think that's a good thing. I do if it works. And you know, there are people that have had horrible experiences with rotational monofeeding and there's people that have had, you know, complete remissions of cancers and different types of healings that are fantastic. And I think we can find these in most healing modalities. Nora believes in what's called natural hygiene. And it's basically the body breaking down, repairing and then building itself back up again as a way of cleaning out the body and healing itself. And you know, I believe that diet is everything. But I also believe that animals can use herbs to help the body heal. And herbs have been around for thousands and thousands of years and as a method of healing. And I don't think that you can discount them that easily. So I think that's where Nora and I part ways in that part. But I again, I don't think there's anything wrong with her diet per se if it works for the individual dog because she does give room in her diet for, you know, again, you can feed meat every other day. You can feed meat every day. I think that the gist of it is that she does not wanting you crossing the streams. She doesn't want you feeding veg or plants at the same time as feeding meat. Now for me, this does not include like a tincture. I'm sure she would say, no, I don't want you doing that either. There's no need for that on this diet. So what I'm suggesting would not be in the confines of the rotational mono feeding model. But am I like what back to the original question, you know, do I believe in this rotational model? What do I think about it? What is my thoughts on rotational model feeding diet? And I'd love to hear your thoughts, Rita, on the way she recommends feeding and her comments on herbs not being helpful for the body and actually causing more stress on the body. So I disagree with that comment. I do agree with it in the confines that I do think people are over medicating, over, over supplementing and over herbing their dog. I deal with a lot of people that are giving some of the same supplements with the same ingredients, like same ish. Like they're giving a turmeric based supplement with another supplement that has turmeric and you know, and it's just, it's chaos. And I believe that it does cause chaos in the body. And I do think that herbs are a less is more approach. And I do think that people suffer from over supplementing. Like I think it comes from desperation, I think it comes from misinformation I agree with Nora on that in that people are desperate to find the answers for their dogs. And every time they see a new supplement, it's like, oh, my God, maybe that will help my dog. I'm gonna give it. But a lot of times they don't quit the supplements that they're on when they try a new supplement. They just add and add. Like, you know, there's a group of supplements called Standard Process out there, and a lot of people love Standard Process supplements. And I'm not gonna say anything against Standard Process. I don't agree with their use of veal bone, but that's just an ethical stance there. But they're a great company. But I see people using a lot of their supplements at once. And a lot of their supplements have the same ingredients. And they are definitely over supplementing with supplements that have the same ingredients. They're crossing over where they're giving too much alfalfa or they're giving too much of this or too much of that and it doesn't work. Or people keep their dogs on supplements way too long. Way too long. So I think that to answer your question, you know, to look at the question, Cheryl, and answer it, I think that there is a place for the RMF rotational mono feeding diet if you have some guidance from Nora and if it really resonates with you. I don't believe in the comments about that herbs are harmful. I do think herbs can be harmful along with any food that can be harmful. You know, I believe that if you are giving a dog energetically inappropriate food for a long period of time, you're going to run into a problem. But there's so many things out there and so many philosophies and theories and, you know, I think there was a blog that Nora wrote about that. Science is not going to spend time testing these theories if they cannot make money. And a lot of that is true. But there are some good research out there. But they're not going to research, you know, just what we want to research so that we can answer these questions and get a more definitive answer that, you know, a more black and white answer versus the gray. I do believe the beauty is found in the gray is found in the individual. I can't speak directly to rotational monofeeding since I have never done the exact program that Nora is suggesting. I have done parts of it. And like I said, I follow a more seasonal approach. But I do agree with many of the facets that Nora is talking about. I definitely don't agree wholeheartedly. With it. But I think that anyone that starts observing things and trying to make dogs lives better, I can get behind. I don't have to agree with it 100%, but I can definitely get behind her message. And so I guess I will keep an eye on this and get back to you with any more insights. Those are what I have so far. One thing that I can say is the diet has, I don't think, been practiced for decades at a time. So we'll have to see how rotationally monofed dogs, how their longevity goes. You know, I do think as far as longevity from not eating as much as a twice a day dog is going to have a good effect for some dogs. Again, dogs are individuals, so. But the jury's out on that. I have no idea how long this diet has been going on, how long Nora has been feeding dogs like this and her ideas on what constitute a healthy death. Like what is a good year that a dog is going to die a natural death. That I think is the wanted outcome of rotational mono feeding because the body heals itself. But how long does it, does it do that? So I think that's a big question to ask ourselves. And for me, I would love to see dogs live as long as Susie did, you know, well, let's just say 24. And I would love to see dogs live between 24 and 30 years. That would be most fabulous. And so, you know, I can get behind anyone trying out something new and having good results with it. I just, I can't get behind someone saying that plants cause damage. That all, you know, basically plants in general cause damage. They're not needed and you shouldn't use them. Now that's not specifically what Nora has said, but she definitely believes that plants are not needed and cause damage and you shouldn't use them as far as herbs are concerned. And again, we're going to have to agree to disagree on that one. But my, you know, I think that what she is trying to do is make dogs and cats better. And I think a lot of us are trying to do that as well. I do think we do need to keep in mind that there are more roads to healing than just one. I do have problems with dogmatic practices that don't allow any wiggle room for the individual. But without talking to Nora, I can't say that that's what she's getting at either. So those are my thoughts. Cheryl. That's all I've got right now. I hope that you all have enjoyed this conversation. It's not one that I plan to have. But I said, hey, what the heck? I got the question a few days ago and I wanted to look into it and then answer the question. And if you want to learn more about rotational monofeeding, you can go to rotationalmonofeeding.com, look at it for yourself and consider it and write into the podcast, ask me more questions. I'm here, I'm here to answer those questions. Before we go, I do want to mention that I think the whole basis that Nora is trying to get behind is cleansing. And I think there is room for herbs and mushrooms and things like that for cleansing for sure in any diet. And with what's going on in the planet right now and it being so toxic, water, food, and the food, you know, I think Nora has a good plan on how to keep things low. But the fruits, vegetables, meats that we're giving our dog are not wild caught. So that's another factor of like that makes you go, hmm. Because it depends on where you get that meat, that it depends on where you're getting that fruit. Is it organic? Is it full of pesticides and herbicides and glyphosate? Because that is going to affect the dog as ecosystem. And we do need help in the help the body cleanse and deal with these types of things that in nature, without all of these interruptions that humans are creating on this planet for ourselves and our dogs and our bodies and our agriculture, it would be a different situation. So I think that there is room for mushrooms and plants and different things that help cleanse the debris and waste from the body, which is what Nora is trying to do with her rotational mono feeding diet. But I think that we are past the point of not needing assistance and that's where plants and mushrooms and homeopathy can come into play. Okay, that's kind of heavy. It's kind of a heavy conversation. And I did mention mushrooms. And thanks to Real Mushrooms for always supporting me in my endeavors and my podcast. They are gonna support my book tour that's coming up next year, the book tour. If you guys want me to come to your city, write into the. Let me know. I'm starting to plan my book tour now. Thank you so much for today. It was a little more on the heavy side than than my normal podcasts, but I hope you enjoyed it. I hope it made you think and love yourself. Thanks for listening to this episode of Dogs Are Individuals. 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