Parasite Expert Reveals Why Your Test Failed (76% Miss Rate) with Sinclair Kennally

I would stand there and it would take all of my self restraint not to step into traffic because I would be consumed by these thoughts of what my body would feel like when the truck hit me. That is not a human thought.

No.

Over 11% of the general population has toxoplasmosis and that doesn't even account for the people who are immunocompromised. Increase in car accidents, increase in violence and yes, increase in suicide, suicidal thoughts. You can work all day at this in talk therapy and you will never reach it because it is happening in the microbiome.

All right, I have a special guest today. It's taken over a year to get her with me on a show. Sinclair Keneally, an expert in parasites and detox and all the things. Welcome to the show, Sinclair. Thank you for accommodating me today in Arizona.

Thanks so much. It's great to be here.

Yes, we've had lots of chats about parasites especially. And Sinclair, I mean, this is one of your passion projects, basically taking care of folks affected by parasitic infections. But why is it so poorly understood? And how many people do you think it actually affects in our country, maybe around the world?

Well, first of all, we all have to remember that we're a big part of our anatomy is our microbiome. So, of course, you know, not even our mitochondria are part of our own anatomy. So, you know, if you want to look at it broadly, we're full of bugs, we're full of good bugs and we're also full of pathogenic bugs. So if you want to say, how many people is this affecting? Well, everybody has bugs. It's part of how you're alive. But what we're talking about when we say parasitic infections is a dominance or an overgrowth of certain species that are pathogenic in nature. And they come at a cost. They can drive a tremendous number of symptoms and that are very wide ranging. And because they have such good strategies for being stealthy and easing into the body and then waiting for immune system to become compromised or waiting for your nervous system to go in too long a stress state, you know, too great a state for stress state for too long, then, yes, they're going to set up shop and they're going to take over.

And I think.

You know, around the world, the number one parasite, you know, if you just from a traditional standpoint, into Mibe histolytica. And that's, you know, been around.

Since all of our training, basically. But the thing in our country is.

The travel. So I'm in Texas, you know, I'm in Austin, and people frequently go to Mexico just for vacation. And everybody colloquially has, you know, heard of the term Montezuma's revenge. But in general, we're talking about traveler's diarrhea and that those people who grew up in those areas, who are indigenous to those areas, have a microbiome according to that area they grew up in. And then you bring us into that area and you feed us. The balance is very, very different. And it's a very common problem that is part of my patient's overall chronic inflammatory picture with breast implants.

And it's so much more common than you realize because it's not just about us traveling, it's about our food traveling. So much of our produce is grown internationally. And yes, those videos have gone viral of, you know, the buckets of carrots being washed in bleach, you know, diluted bleach, or I know, this is so gross, you're never going to eat carrots again. Or, you know, they're dilutions of chlorine, you know. But we have to remember that parasites have strategies to deal with those kinds of issues. So even chlorine in our municipalities, you know, you know, our water treatment plants, certain parasites can form a protective protein shell coating around them to survive that chlorine, and then they'll just come in and lay in wait. So it's not a question of if you've been exposed. I think that's the first thing for people is like, well, I didn't get Montezuma's revenge recently. That was a few years ago or.

10 years ago or whatever.

Right? Or I didn't get it. My boyfriend went on a trip without me and came back and he recovered. But that's still transferring host to host because there's great strategies for that. So it's not a question of if you've been exposed. Anytime you step into a natural body of water, you're getting exposed to parasites anytime you interact with animals, whether it's farm animals or cats.

Dogs are notorious for ringworm, but that's just one species. Cats are notorious for toxoplasmosis. That is a broad, broad infection rate. Still, in the United States, even the most conservative estimates say that over 11% of the general population has toxoplasmosis. And that doesn't even account for. The people who are immunocompromised are much more vulnerable.

Absolutely. So, I mean, that raises the point, like, why don't we do a better job? I guess from a Testing perspective. Why is it so hard? Because, you know, it's very hard and we can talk about. I'm the most stool tested plastic surgeon in probably planet Earth. Right. Because.

We are constantly looking at a way to help our patients better understand exactly what's going on. But like you said, they're very stealthy. So please like delve into why it's so hard to get these out on a stool test, of all things.

Well, I think first of all, when you show up in a doctor's office and you say I don't feel great, there's not great words for that until you've suffered enough to develop some very distinct symptoms over time. And because patients, parasites are stealth invaders and they're just taking advantage of your shifting territory and whether or not your level of immunostrength and your balanced immune responses at any given time. Is this a very slow progression for most people. So it's hard to pinpoint. That's the day I stopped feeling good for most people. So first of all, clinicians are not trained to think about parasites with that stealth, slow creep of symptoms. They're just thinking inflammation in general when that's the case. But they are trained at least to think about like acute onset sudden weight loss, huge abdominal things that develop overnight. Like, okay, that's when they start thinking parasites. So that's problem number one is they don't even think to test for them unless there's this acute onset of symptoms. But we also have to recognize that testing is still in its nascency.

Oh, it's bad.

So I really dislike the phenomenon right now. Like a gut test will tell you everything. Who's telling you that? The people, the gut tests. And I use gut tests in our practice and so do you. But I think that we're both very transparent about saying these are the limitations of them. And that's what I want the person who's sick and trying to figure out what to do next to realize. So especially culture testing, you know, there's, there's still, there's not all stool tests are created equal. No, I'm not gonna call any brand out by name because I think everybody's just trying to do their best right now. But the culture testing especially is very misleading because people think if I didn't have a parasite show up on, then I'm clear, that's not my problem. But you know, the absence of, you know, evidence on that test does not mean that you don't have parasites. It just means they weren't able to pick up on it.

And that's the frustrating part on the, you know, the providers are trying to, you know, inform the patients. The patients want objective data, rightfully so. If you say, oh, I have a parasite, it's like, you know, if anybody criticizes your home, you get all agitated. You know, if I tell them they have mold in their home, immediately there's all this, oh, my God. No, my, my home doesn't have. Oh, I'm like, you just told me it does. Like, yeah, you. You identify.

I live in a world of denial. Breast implant illness denial, mold denial, parasite denial. It's real. You don't want to hear that.

And it's like, I don't know why, you know, Okay, I get it. And it's not to your point, like, we're not trying to criticize a test. We're just looking for the best options to explain and help educate the patients. And they're all just Kodak moments and they're not perfect at all. You're looking at one moment, and for everybody, full disclosure, I did seven of these on one specific stool sample just to see what it would show. And of course, they're all different.

Yeah. The replication rate is abysmal, and we have to acknowledge that. So you're looking at a layer of information, especially for culture testing. You know, the replication rates are as low as 24%, sometimes much, much lower than that.

So now I've come to the conclusion that regardless of what you tell me, my assumption is you have that problem.

That's exactly.

And I start from that. In addition to, you are hard pressed in my patient community to make me believe you haven't been exposed to molding. It's a problem. So now you have two things that really can affect you from head to toe and cause a plethora of chronic inflammatory symptoms and be responsible for how terrible someone feels.

And let's talk about that, because not everybody presents the same way, right? So for molds, you could have the joint issues. You could have the eyesight stuff, the sensitivity to light and sound, the neurological shocks and stresses where you're like, oh, my God, do I have peripheral neuropathy? Is my brain shutting down?

Right.

The brain fog, the depression. Or you could just have GI symptoms, inability to sweat. Or you could be the skin rash guy, or you could be the asthma lady. Like, it's not. Doesn't present the same way. And it's a similar breadth and depth with parasites because it's a whole genome. So different species present different ways. But some of the telltale Signs are like the fatigue and brain fog, the food sensitivities that increase over time. Yes. Those persistent skin reactions. And it's also a lot of autoimmune stuff. So eczema, psoriasis, as well as colitis, Crohn's, Hashimoto's, like fibromyalgia, rheumatoid arthritis, they can all have a deeply embedded parasite issue that's driving that chronic inflammation.

And I'm glad Sinclair's saying this. I'm going to say it out loud so everybody remembers what I say. I always say, breast implant illness is a chronic inflammatory process of which a breast implant is just playing a role. It's not the only thing causing the problem. So if you were just to explant everybody, which is being done at a very, very high rate around the United States, around the world, now they're saying, oh, you just take them out, it's fine. That's not going to work.

It's not enough. In fact, what we've seen clinically, I'm sure you have too, is when you take out one stressor, but you don't account for the rest. You get the body part way there, like, oh, thank God you're not suppressing me so much. Now I'm gonna try to tackle the other issues, but without enough support, you actually crash. And that's the stressful part for people.

Yeah, it's a poorly understood phenomenon. So for everybody listening, we published a paper last year that shows that 29% of the patients we've explanted in 700 consecutive samples have bacterial contamination with staphepi or kutibacterium. So that's a bacterial component. On 100% of pathology specimens, there's always chronic inflammatory changes in the tissues because it's a foreign body. So there has to be evidence of that in the form of giant cells and histiocytes and all those things. So there's really no argument there. And I'm tired of people arguing about it, especially as it relates to capsulectomy and it being unsafe, and you can't do that, and there's no science behind it, but just total and utter bullshit. So there's a whole series of these.

Women now showing up to, you know, my clinic, who had an explanation. And of course, they haven't recovered because there's been a. No capsulectomy or incomplete capsulectomy, and there's no preparation and there's no recovery process. So they've been given the line, so to speak, either through social media or through the Providers, whoever they may be, that you just explant, and everything's gonna be fine. That's far from the case. You can have just as many symptoms without implants as you can with implants. You can have a problem with mycotoxins. You can have a problem with parasites. You can have problems with da, ddp, dde, tphthalates, glyphosates, holes to heavy metals making you sick.

So, like, well, and also biofilms. So what is the body's primary strategy to deal with foreign objects? Right. You've talked about this so much. The encapsulation process. And then what is the outer layer of that? You know, the body will allow biofilms to proliferate right there that are pathogenic in nature to try to create some additional kind of microbiome barrier.

And that's why that's so. So people always ask me, like, how is this happening? Right. How are you getting this bacterial contamination? Like, okay, there's three ways this works. The first two are the least common because of technique. So a staff who hands a surgeon an implant can infect it. They contaminate it on taking out of the package and giving to the surgeon, so it's already contaminated. The other is the surgeon contaminates the implant prior to placement or at placement. Okay, those two are super low yield. They're. They're really uncommon. The third and the most common is bacterial contamination through the bloodstream or bacteremia. That's the most common. You get a cut, it gets inflamed, infected. Your body knows how to surveil it and take care of it. But it attaches to hip, knee, breast, dental, whatever implant there is, because it's a foreign substance. It can't be surveilled by the immune system.

Yeah.

Now it just hangs out with its friends and forms colonies, just like the original plaque is. Original biofilm is plaque on your teeth that was discovered microscopically, but that's basically what it does. And now there's evidence to support the interaction between the bacterial biofilm and the oleic acid, the fatty acid in the breast. It gets oxidized, and we know oxidation. Too much oxidation, bad, reduction, good. So this oxidation creates, for lack of a better term, they named it oxylipin. And this one is oxylipin tenhome. If you just follow it downstream, it causes macrophage polarization, which leads to the symptoms you've already described. So all the symptoms match up amongst all the different inflammatory processes. That's why I tell everybody, like, this is just A component. And if you were to explant with us and not programmatically do anything with us, you could easily have the same symptoms. Or if your immune system gets even more ramped up, they're worse.

Absolutely, yeah. That's why it's so frustrating. And it's not limited to breast implant illness alone. Like, you can get cavitation surgery and finally clean out those silent jaw infections and think, now I'm finally going to feel better. But what will kick off is this cascade of inflammatory processes in the body as the immune system. It's almost like it has the bandwidth to go after the other infections that it did not have the energy to tackle before, which is wonderful, as long as you provide the right support. So aftercare is critical.

People ask me because they come in with breast implants and dental work, root canals and the whole nine yards. They're like, what do I do first?

Not an accident.

I'm like, well, all right. So in terms of surface area, breast implants far larger than a dental implant. So if you're just talking about how much surface area can interact with your immune system. We want to use that term, then it's definitely an implant. Because if you just were to spread it out like a sheet of paper, it would be that big.

Yeah.

So it's much larger. And if it's textured, it's literally 4x that easy. Because the texturing is like, instead of smooth being, you know, a glass lake, textured is like the mountains. And there's all that ability to interact with your tissues. And that's why people who unfortunately are predisposed can develop breast implant associated anaplastic large cell lymphoma from the textured devices. That's what it's most commonly associated with. And that led to the recall and all the things. So, you know, you have lymphomas that can develop. We're going to know there's bacterial issues.

Yeah. None of those things are. People ask me, are they safe? Like, oh, my God, anytime you put anything in your body, it's going to have a reaction. The only time it can have a reaction is if you have a genetically identical twin and they take that part from them and put it in you. And that's how the first successful kidney transplant was done, by the last surgeon, probably the only surgeon left who will win a Nobel Prize, Joseph Murray, because he showed you could avoid the immune system by using a genetically identical organ. So he did the first kidney transplant, and then, of course, he went on to do the next thing, which Is a cadaver kidney transplant with immunosuppression in the form of steroid and cyclosporine came on board and all these things, but it's just you're blocking your body's ability to respond to the insult.

Yeah. And immune suppression is going to come at such a high cost in other ways to the body. So we have to account for that. If that's the right medical decision for you, then of course you need to do that. Right. For example, like with transplants, you're gonna stay on those immune suppressive drugs. This is not an argument about that. We just wanna account for what the downstream impacts are for any factor with immune suppression. And one of them is this overgrowth. Because your body's now in a position to as you're suppressing the reaction and the surveillance instincts of your own body system wide. So who's going to take advantage of that? The pathogens. And we have more reasons than ever for these parasites to overgrow because they do just fine in a stagnant environment.

Right.

They do great in that they do just fine in a body with a high toxic burden. They will actually hold onto toxins for you. So many parasite species that's been found will actually hold mold and mycotoxins for you from the mold. They'll hold Lyme and co infections, they'll hold EVV for you. They'll hold heavy metals for you and plastics. So there is a symbiosis when your body is like, okay, I cannot upregulate enough my drainage and detox pathways to keep up with the oncoming insults from the toxicants. But then it just comes at such a high cost because those parasites will drive symptoms for you and steal your energy.

Yeah. It brings up several clinical instances and one in particular a couple years ago where we had done the surgery and everything had went well. And the patient responded.

Mentally with a lot more anxiety and came in and was.

Kind of, I don't want to call it blurgent.

Really anxious, really ramped up. And I was taken back and nothing really bothers me anymore. I don't react to things. And I was like, well, this is interesting. Why is this happening? And.

They were put through the detox protocol. We can talk about different protocols. And I saw them a few months later and totally different person, entirely different personality. And I was like, well, this is what changed here. And she had a picture of the parasite. She passed. And I was like, oh. Because I had told this person like they had went to. Which is tradition. And I live In Austin, a lot of people go to Cabo and just vacation. And I was like, I always asked, are you off property at all? And of course they say yes. And I'm like, well, I mean, you have a parasite. Yeah. Then they get all defensive, and I'm like, no, you have a parasite. If you went off property, I can guarantee even if you're on property, you still get it.

But, like, if you ate the stuff on the buffet that was questionable, that was sitting in the sun on hour three, you have a parasite.

And so you're like, I know this. I was like, and. But it was a totally different person. Like, that was a real, you know, moment where I was like, oh, man, we're not. We're not paying enough attention to this problem.

Right, let's talk about that, the behavior piece. Because parasites are really good at distorting our behavior. So toxoplasmosis is an easy one to pick on because there's so much research that proves an increase in risky behavior when you have toxoplasmosis running the shell. So this is really common exposure. We mostly get it from cats that are in our households. And you may not see these behaviors develop until years later. That's the problem. Because they are stealth invaders, remember? But when they start running the show, increase in sexual risky behavior, increase in car accidents, increase in violence, and yes. Increase in suicide, suicidal thoughts. Like, I used to stand on this highway that was a block from my house in a tiny mountain town. In the main road was the highway, you know, and so I had to cross this highway several times a week. And I would stand there and it would take all of my self restraint not to step into traffic because I would be consumed by these thoughts of what my body would feel like when the truck hit me. That is not a human thought. No, that is a parasite. Saying, you know what would be so helpful for me is if you explain exploded your body, my lovely host, so that all the different animals and critters could come in and feed on you and clean this up and my prodigy can go forth and prosper. That is not a human thought. So when we have these thoughts of self harm or risky behavior, things that are not in our best interests. I love the personal development world too. I came from it. But you can work all day at this in talk therapy and you will never reach it because it's happening in the microbiome. And that doesn't even account for like the neurotransmitter issue with parasites.

Right. And there's so many Gut problems affecting that. In addition, like, virtually every. Every patient I have has some absorptive problems. So the neurotransmitters can't be balanced.

Right.

And there's always anxiety, there's always depression, there's always dysautonomia. There's all the things like. And it's very draining to your. Your team, if they transfer that energy onto them. They don't really know what to do with it. And they'll come to me and they'll say, hey, so and so's really a lot. And I was like, okay, well, go in there.

Technical term for that. It's wiggy.

Yeah. And I just go in there and I'm like, okay, you know what's going on. And. And you can tell that.

The prep, like, to your point, you can do all the talking about that problem that you want to do, but it's much deeper rooted in the gut and the microbiome. And.

It would be great to have a very definitive way to both make that diagnosis, to affirm it to them and to the providers so that everybody's on the same page and they understand it and then what steps can be taken? Because we just want everybody to get better.

Yeah.

And that's the, you know, you can imagine. Now, okay, you've known me a long time, like, I'm a plastic surgeon talking about your poop. Right. This is really not the purview. Right. That's not my. My platform normally, but I spend a lot of time trying to explain in a very plain way how mold affects them and how parasitic overgrowth can. Can affect them. And I just use the term balance, like you've discussed. And maybe.

They'Re wanting. I mean, women are willing to just about kill themselves in any kind of detoxification program you give them. But maybe just mention how you think about that, because it can be even more problematic for them.

Absolutely. I think we are really getting parasite cleansing wrong.

Yeah.

And I would include the functional medicine space in that. There's a lot of terribly designed protocols out there. And yes, it's very fun to talk about parasites on social media. So you get like, I got a warm app. Use this product, you know, and people are making a living doing that. Great videos. Terrible idea. Really irresponsible. Like, I'm sorry, that's not ethical. So let's talk about what people are doing wrong in parasite cleansing. First of all, we've always done parasite cleansing. Every continent has its own parasite cleansing strategies through the ages. That's what spices are used for in More humid climates, right? And even recently, a few decades ago, the farmer would go out and inoculate the herd or deworm the herd and they'd come in and do the same thing for their family. We've only just recently lost this right when we need it the most. But we can't go back in time and use just an herb here or a really irritating pharmaceutical there and expect it to take care of it. And I hear like the complainants, the people living off of the one product cleanses, people making their money off it. They're all saying, well, this is the way we've always done it. Well, we're not living the way we've always lived. What makes you think that's actually a good idea? Because remember, parasites are holding a toxin load for us. So we don't just want to go in and poke the bear a little bit and kick up all these symptoms. People are too sick for that now. Their mitochondrial dysfunction is through the roof. Their toxin load is through the roof just in the last few years. And their nervous systems are under attack from emfs, from the lighting that we've just incorporated just recently. You know, so our circadian rhythms are totally off. So our body's ability to self regulate through a parasite cleanse is fundamentally different now than it was a few years ago. So I would never do parasite work without putting mitochondrial support in place as well. We have to up regulate ATP production. You're tired. Why would you add to your body's to do list to kill these guys?

Very bad.

Without some help, you're gonna get symptom blowback. You need drainage support. You need correct binders for you. Because when you're killing these critters and you're releasing toxins, that's a retoxification event. Is that gonna be inflammatory? Hell yes, it is, right? You know, and then of course, more drainage support. Because parasites love stagnation. Toxins create stagnation. Nervous system dysregulation creates stagnation, Implants create stagnation, Huge lymphatic disruptor, right? So the more reasons we have for stagnation, the more intelligent we need to be about our drainage support plan, which is just working with our body's own excretion pathways.

Because most people don't get. They'll come in like I literally have people tell me they don't poop but once a week. And I'm just about, I'm mortified because I'm like, there's no chance I'm operating on you because you're gonna get worse, not better. And no matter how.

Efficient we've prepared patients and recovered them, that's not the right person. So that's not a person who, who's ready for that event. They have to get prepared for that event and get their elimination to your point. Like the way it should be once or twice a day and they're not doing anything. And I do this, it's not mean. I don't do this to be mean. I just give them some oral liposomal glutathione and have them hold it in their mouth.

Right.

And if their burden is high, which normally it is, it immediately becomes like rotten eggs.

Yeah.

And they look at me like, oh my God, this is a terrible tasting supplement. I'm like, it's not the supplement. Supplement's just fine. So I always do it first just to prove the point. And I'm like, your body needs that to bind to all the things circulating in your system.

It's a great thing to pick on because glutathione is necessary for each stage of detoxification in the liver, but the body uses it body wide as your master antioxidant. So the more depleted you are in glutathione, the more it points to an overload of oxidative stress with all these inflammatory processes. And of course that points to stagnation, toxic burden. And you know, the parasites.

Yeah, you're just trying to really help them in a real time way. Understand like this is really a problem. And all the stuff you see on social media, I'm constantly, you know, having to, I don't want to say defend it, but discuss what Reddit says or Quora or Facebook groups or the other strongly vetted sources.

So, you know, from an experiential standpoint, I know you've taken care of thousands of patients and help them, you know, overcome parasitic infections, just like we've taken care of thousands of explant patients and tried to help them really get past that point. So from a detox standpoint, like what do you feel, I guess is working now, you know, on an individual basis? And then what do you, what do you hope for? They come make it smoother for you and your clients.

It's a great question. So first we have to remember that we're already more depleted now than we were a few years ago. So we think we take into account all these factors that are overburdening the body anytime we go after parasites. So we always want to up regulate ATP production, up regulate drainage first. Right. And make sure that people are pooping every day because you drain from the bottom up. Otherwise you will get an unnecessary increase in symptoms as you try to go after parasites. So. And parasites love to create constipation or diarrhea because they're great ways to deplete the body.

So that is so, you know, we always start with. And look at that carefully. And when we prepare patients, nobody should get on my schedule very quickly anymore. One, because we have a lot of bookings already. But two, we want to give enough Runway to help them get into a better position prior to surgery. So.

So smart.

Sleeping properly to restore circadian rhythm and get restorative sleep. So I have this kind of 3, 2, 1, which I know is just very basic, but women should not get up in the middle of the night to pa. You're not an old man with a prostate. So, you know, if you don't get your seven to nine hours of uninterrupted sleep with the right depth or quality, then there's really very little chance you have of recovery in a surgical setting. So all the things that happen with glymphatic drainage and lymphatic drainage for the rest of the body and just restorative healing happen at night. They don't happen during the day.

Absolutely.

We're out and about. Out.

Yeah.

So I always, like, make that the priority is your sleep and your circadian rhythm and then having balance like we talked about. But I have so many people, to your point, that have chronic problems with constipation and. Or loose stools or diarrhea, frankly.

Right.

And they've had them for years. And I'm like, this is not normal.

This is not genetic. It doesn't just run in your family. The parasites you've all been exposed to are doing this. The parasites are running in the family. It's not genes messing up your poop. Yeah.

And it's just a real. It's like cognitive dissidents. I think, to be told that as an answer for something that's been going on for not just a week.

I think there's a shame component about bowel stuff. So it takes a long time for them to speak up. And because their GP doesn't know to think in this direction, because it wasn't part of their training, because they're thinking parasites are acute except exposure only traveler's.

Diarrhea from the trip.

So they. They just learn to live with it.

And so, you know, we. We don't aggressively detox people right after surgery. And everybody listening. Right. Surgery is A large enough. You've never met a more a bigger producer of cortisol than Dr. Whitfield. Like, I operate on people for a living, so I cause cortisol surges that would you baffle most people. It's not like a stressful day when you come see me. And we try to get patients as quickly as possible into a parasympathetic state because that promotes healing. So at our clinic in Austin, we have a human regenerator from Germany which helps really increase electron transport, but help you get into a parasympathetic state. And we have lymphatic massage from New Zealand via the floppressor device and hyperbaric chamber and red light therapy and nanov therapy and all the things. And it's all really meant to get people back on track and help get them out of fight or flight. But in the detox process, in the, you know, six months to a year after surgery, we don't aggressively go after people to further complicate their recovery. They do it more gently.

It's critical that you let the body lead the way in that and really focus on recovering from the surgery itself and account for the fact that your immune system is going to use that shifting bandwidth now that a foreign object is no longer in the body to go after chronic infections and biofilms and parasites to the best of its ability. You cannot stop that process. So let's be intelligent about regeneration tools. And to your point, getting people in the parasympathetic state. Right. And just gentle drainage and repair, support and basically let the body do a passive parasite cleanse. It will get as far as it can get and then whatever symptoms persist, that's a great time to fold in a more nuanced parasite protocol where you're directly going after the overgrowths that remain.

Yeah. The gut healing takes the longest. And my detox team works very diligently to help each patient and try to meet them where they are individually because that's. It's not cookie cutter. It's not one size fits all.

And it takes a lot longer than you think. It's not immediate after expant surgery and it sure. It's not immediate in your patient population. So people have to be patient. And.

Our method, the sharp method, is really rooted in the same things that Sinclair and I have talked about. You have a genetic predisposition. Usually you have a series of exposures that takes you out of balance and causes immune dysregulation. And these parasites are definitely part of that. So I want to thank Sinclair for coming on my show. I'm very excited to have had her and been able to chat with her. Where can folks find you and learn more about your programs and parasites?

Detoxnation.com we have written tons of in depth articles for people. You can find me at SinclairCanaly on Instagram and our podcast is Detox Nation.

Awesome.