Why I Traveled To Dr. Whitfield with Tayna Vice

All right, welcome back to the show, everybody. Today I have Tanya Weiss, and Tanya is a patient of ours. And I recently saw Tanya. She traveled back from Mississippi to have a touch-up done on an area of skin. So I wanted to bring Tanya on. I think it is, um, a little bit It's not uncommon that I have, uh, folks, you know, travel to see me. That's common. I would say I'm surprised that I don't have more people from where Tanya lives come to see me because there are some unique things about where Tanya lives in our country, and I think it sets up why we should see more people from this area of the country. So welcome to the show, Tonya, with all that kind of cool— Thank you so much.

Thank you. Thank you.

All right. Now we should tell them where you live.

I actually grew up, um, a small town in Escatawba, Mississippi, which is on the Gulf Coast. Um, now I have moved north to Lucedale, Mississippi, which is, um, farm ranch area. So that's where we have decided to settle, um, after retirement. So love it. Small town, but it's growing really fast.

So in your area, and the reason I brought it up, I mean, there's a lot of, obviously in the South, and the first time I ever went, um, after growing up in Nevada where it was very dry My family's— my dad's side of the family is from Arkansas. So we drove to Arkansas, and I remember when we arrived there finally after driving, it was very— couple day drive. The humidity was shocking. I remember asking my mom, I'm like, what's wrong with the air? And she's like, there's nothing wrong with the air. She's like, this is humidity. And I'm like, what's humidity? Because if you grow up in the desert, there is no—

it's dry.

Yeah. So it just lends itself to, you know, the more moisture you have, the more trouble you have with mycotoxins from growth of mold. And so that's kind of, to me, you know, that's a— it's a naughty little thing about the, the more moisture, the more, uh, different climate changes or exposures there are to that, it can affect, you know, our patients and burden them a little bit more in terms of toxin load. So I know you had your surgery initially done in 1998.

Correct.

And then when we had you come on I'm gonna pull up your docs. I just want to see one thing. There it is. All right, so I just want to pull up your, uh, tox test. And you had some, uh, we call it— it's like the chelated goblin. It's the, uh, mycotoxin that's got the long crazy name. Um, The short answer is you can just say it's CHA, cha, the cha toxin. That's easier. But that's a mold toxin. And then you had some other things, but not bad in the, you know, grand scheme. Now, usually that means that you can handle, or you've taken steps to handle, what you get exposed to. So kind of give us backdrop of maybe initially what led you to augmentation. Did you have other options? Maybe discuss, uh, in 1998, probably wasn't many discussions around fat transfer at that point or other options, but, um, kind of walk us through that because everybody's got a different kind of origin story about it, right?

So, um, it was just actually a rash or rushed decision to get implants in 1998. And I used a doctor in Biloxi, Mississippi, who was well known, fabulous doctor. Got implants in 1998, really didn't do any research of maybe what the future would be with those implants. I was not told that, you know, you need to remove them after so many years. And so leading up to all of my medical issues, going to doctors, trying to say, hey, why am I having these massive migraines? Why do I have so much inflammation? Why do I have MCAS now? Um, they were just like, we can't find anything wrong with you. Um, so then I started doing my research because my sister had breast cancer in 2014. And then leading after that, probably a year, I got a letter from the manufacturer saying your implants are recalled for lymphoma.

Okay.

So, um, that's when I started doing my research. And in Mississippi, we do have some great doctors, and I've seen several doctors, um, actually 5. One that I thought that I was going to settle with, I had second consultation with him, and I'd already done some research, so I had some questions for him. And I'm like, okay, when we go in and we remove these implants, are you going to be able to get the capsule that goes with the implant? And he was like, I can't guarantee that, um, but I'll get your implants out. So he was pushing me to put new implants in, and I've had these implants in since 1998. And they were saline, but even if you do your research, saline can grow mold inside your implants. So, um, I wasn't satisfied and I sat down with my sister and we discussed her having her breast cancer and her reconstructive surgery and I started doing research and that's when I found you and that your sister, I believe, had went through breast cancer. Yeah, and I looked at your detox program, and after COVID I did a lot of research on natural medicines, how to heal your body using castor oil, um, your lymphatic system needs to be drained. And then I seen y'all's whole system, and that's where I had a consultation with you, and I knew I was on the right path. And that's really sad to say because a lot more doctors need to look at healing a patient instead of putting a Band-Aid on it and, and trying to fix it. Um, they want to give you prescription medicines to temporarily fix the problem. So, uh, that's how I found you, and, um, your program is amazing.

Well, there's several key things that you brought up. One, you have saline-filled implants, but the filler is not as important here as the surface of the implant. Now, you brought up that those were recalled. So there was a worldwide recall of textured— the specific texturing that Tonya's talking about is Biocell texturing from— at this point, Allergan owns them, but that was a previous McGann product that was bought by Allergan. So Tanya's product is a McGann implant. The textured surface is BioCell. It's incredibly rough. And the other thing she said was when she visited, uh, with the surgeon, there was, um, maybe a lack of clarity about capsulectomy. So let's just address capsulectomy. There's been a lot of I think concern over is it safe? Yeah, scar tissue removal is not a new thing in surgery, right? That's been going on certainly throughout my career, which started this point in 1996. I've been operating for a little while now. And scar tissues always encountered on revision surgeries, whether it's for, in this case, the breast implant and it was used for cosmetics, or it could be a breast implant used for cancer reconstruction, or it could be a knee implant used in one of the sarcoma reconstructions that I participated in, or an implant used for stabilizing a jaw reconstruction we did for somebody with a cancer of the jawbone. There's all sorts of reasons, um, that we encounter scar tissue in surgery. And, um, removal of that scar tissue somehow has been, um, sensationalized to the point where the patients have been made fearful of it, like it's going to injure them. And so for everybody listening, capsulectomy is a safe procedure. It's not going to injure the lung. If, if you, you know, just kind of like Tonya said, do a little bit of your own fact-finding in this, you'll find that it's quite a bit away from the quote-unquote lung, inside a cavity which is called the pleural cavity. So if, if there's ever anything that goes on, the first thing that happens is the pleural cavity which surrounds the lung is what gets entered, you don't actually hurt the lung. I think there's a bit of confusion about this. And if that were to happen, because the pressure has been changed in the pleural cavity, the lung will deflate. It's not injured. And then when you remove the, uh, the pressure and make it negative again, the lung reinflates. So it's, it's not really this complex, worrisome thing. If that happens, there's a solve for it. It's not going to be a problem. Um, and over the couple thousand I've done, that's happened a handful of times, and the patient's been fine. And they should be fine because the lung is not injured, because that's not what happens. Um, the scar tissue itself, the reason we don't leave it behind is concern over what Tanya brought up, which is a breast implant-associated anaplastic large cell lymphoma, which has the highest association with that type of textured surface. And in my first 1,000 cases, I took out, uh, at that point, one of 8 in the world, which was a B-cell lymphoma from that specific type of texturing. It's, uh, highlighted on my website. We did a little, uh, vignette about it. And So capsulectomy, obviously you can have these breast implant-associated cancers. Typically those are associated with a seroma. Uh, the actual patient I took care of did not have a seroma. So, um, I don't want anybody who listens to this from a patient perspective or provider perspective to have a false sense of security when someone gets examined and they don't have a seroma, because they can still have cancer because as my patient did. And if one person has it, that's one too many, basically. There's no analysis for that. Now, the other thing we published is that when we do capsulectomy and have them analyzed using PCR testing, 29% have bacterial contamination. Now, every once in a while we'll find a fungus It's super uncommon. Um, there's something called mesalysia, which is like this skin fungus, and that would be the most common thing we see because that's the skin, uh, contaminant that you would find. Like, that's fungal. But, uh, what Tanya said, you know, in terms of having things inside the implant, that's a different analysis that we don't do because we do our analysis on the patient's scar tissue. And we've shown that 29% have bacterial contamination. So the reason I bring that up is I don't think anybody should be leaving things behind because of that finding. And then two, um, if you've taken out as many ruptured devices as I have, whether they're, uh, saline ruptures or silicone ruptures, the shells are failing. So Over time, debris from the shell can get stuck in the tissue, and that's another way your immune system can be stimulated. So I don't think we should be so, you know, quick to say that's not important and kind of dismissive. I don't think it's fair to patients.

It's not fair, especially— and that's the thing that bothers me. Like when my sister went through breast cancer, they did not educate her that her implants could rupture. And in fact, they did through her treatment. And when the surgeon went in, they had to literally scrape silicone off of her rib bones because they had ruptured, you know. And then there's a lot of patients out there that are going through breast cancer that have implants. And I have a couple of friends that just went through breast cancer, and I'm like, you need to get your implants removed. Because they could be ruptured, they could be causing you more, um, inflammation, some of the medical issues that you're dealing with. Do your research. And that's where we need more doctors to step up like you and educate patients on how to heal their body after they get the implants removed.

Yeah, certainly. Um, the first instances I had of taking care of patients with implant problems was, uh, with cancer, because I did what's called the DIEP free flap, which is, uh, a tissue reconstruction used for breast reconstruction. And my earliest experiences were if someone had a problem with an infection or an injury from radiation treatment, because you'll get fibrosis and things, and capture contractures are higher. Or you could just develop capsular contractures, or you could have a rupture, or like, it's just a litany of things that can happen because devices can fail. And that should be, you know, really super clear to everybody who's getting them. I think it was 2005 Early on, I had a patient come to me who kept having redness of their chest and tightness of their chest, and, and nobody knew why that kept happening. And the patient was getting more and more frustrated and intermittently was put on IV antibiotics for this problem, which nobody had— honestly, they gave it the name of red breast syndrome, which is not an actual diagnosis of anything. Um, so she came to me and said, uh, there was a paper, newspaper article written about what I did because I was one of the first people doing it in, in the state where I was working at the time, in Wisconsin. Sorry. And that was 2005. And so there was this article written And, uh, she came and, and she's like, can, can this help me? And I said, well, a couple things, right? So in, in the '60s, the first kidney transplant was done by Dr. Joseph Murray, who's a plastic surgeon. So he did that on a genetically identical twin. So he took the kidney from the other twin to the other twin. But the first thing he did was a skin graft from one twin to the other, because the skin will get rejected very fast from one person to another. It has a lot of antigens in it. And the skin graft healed on the, uh, the twin who needed the help. And so they knew they could do the kidney transplant. Plant. He does the kidney transplant in the '60s. It does fine, um, for over a year, I believe, and then the patient passed away from other issues, not, not the kidney transplant. So then the next thing is, how can they do it when you're not a Siamese twin? Because there's obviously not Siamese twins. Running around everywhere. So that would be the next set, would be a non-identical twin. And so they did that with a form of radiation therapy called total body irradiation and, um, ionizing radiation. And that works, but you can't treat everybody like that. That's not a, a treatment that would be appropriate. And then the next step would be doing what is most commonly done, which is a cadaver kidney transplant. So that requires drugs to block the immune response. So the drugs were steroids and something called azathioprine. So I bring it up because a paper was published last summer that was super interesting out of Denmark that shows that at the tissue level where the scar tissue is and I always have my little implant with some paper wrapped around it to mimic scar tissue. At the scar tissue, or that little collagen bag that's wrapped around the implant level, there's more immune system reaction. So in Tonya's case, she had a very rough implant with a biocell surface that creates a very reactive, we'll say, scar capsule. That's common. Now that ends up in some patients developing a lymphoma.

Yes.

And that's— yeah, and that's a T-cell reaction. So in the paper from Denmark, they showed that not only are T-cells happening or increased, or they're in increased amounts, but B-cells and something called plasma cells, which make antibodies. So the reason I bring it up is at the tissue level, this paper said you would be experiencing the same thing that somebody would experience who is rejecting a kidney transplant.

Really?

So you're having a more intense immune response. So I found that fascinating because it makes sense, right? Going back to the patient I mentioned previously, when I took all their scar tissue out and their old implants in that breast cancer reconstruction, and I put their own tissue in there, it's like doing a Siamese twin kidney transplant. So of course it works. And the old tissue that was, you know, irritating or obstructing or infected or whatever is gone because I took it all out. So now you have a functioning tissue reconstruction, or in this case, when we take it all out, that the body has the ability to heal itself. And then we support it with the Sharp Method, all the programming, looking at, you know, genetics and toxicity burden and gut health and food sensitivities and hormonal balance so that, you know, trying to get things to reset and come back online in a normal way and let your body recover makes the most sense. Now, when a cancer patient, you know, hits us up, Tonya, I always tell them my first, you know, inclination is to do what I used to do, which is the deep flap reconstruction, which I haven't done since 2019. And, um, I kind of retired out of that portion of my career, but that's still— if, if that's possible for that patient, if that makes the most sense, aligns with them, that's what I would do if that was practical. If not, I do the flat closure. I do simultaneous fat transfers. I just had a patient come from Nebraska for a second stage fat transfer who I took down their breast cancer reconstruction and helped them recover, and they're doing much better. So there's lots of alternatives if there is— you can, you know, find, uh, the right person.

I think most doctors in for my case, the 5 doctors that I seen, they just wanted to put another implant in. They, they wasn't worried about my health. They were worried about making the dollar, um, and that's fine. And then a lot of people go, well, that's kind of expensive. And I'm like, no, it's not. Take the year that I was given a whole team in your office I had access to you, your team. If I had an issue, within 10 minutes they're responding to me. I was on the SHARP program. You did my genetics. You tested my gut bacteria, which I did have.

Yeah.

And a lot of people don't understand, if you have the gut bacteria, that's your— your stomach is your second brain. And if you have the gut bacteria, just like Luna, one of your, um, medical professionals in your office, she was like, your husband needs to be on the supplement too. So because you can pass the gut bacteria through contact, you know, kissing. And so with all of the, um, the Sharp package and all of the testing that you did, it prepared me before my surgery. It prepared you to how to approach my surgery. And then I had y'all for a total year. And actually, I went over a little year because I had to postpone due to my son's wedding. And y'all still worked with me. And I'm healthier now. I know how to protect my body and fight something without just going and putting a Band-Aid on it. And to me, I'd rather pay a little bit more for the whole package than just having a surgery and then be forgotten once I walk out of the operation room.

Yeah, I think that highlights what most people miss is we have all these other elements going on within the practice. So it's really, you know, I have a plastic surgery clinic, but we have a functional medicine—

yes—

team involved with everybody's care. So I feel like there's this disconnect with understanding what we're doing. So And every time somebody tries to do it differently, then they end up circling back because things didn't work out or they didn't get the right information or whatever the issue.

I mean, you've even had patients that had their surgery elsewhere but then come to you for your detox program because they're still having issues.

You know, it's funny, the folks who have the most difficulty either don't do the detox, or we tell them about it and then they still don't do it, and then they're still either unsettled or dissatisfied somehow. And I don't, you know, it's the expression is you can't lead the horse to water.

That's right.

Or you can lead the horse to water, but you can't make them drink it. So, you know, we're all a series of genes we inherit from our parents, exposures we get over time, and then things we eat, drink and put on our skin and breathe, you know, in terms of air quality. So I think overall, like most of it's just pretty straightforward.

It is.

It's a lot of things that, you know, they make sense, but then people get like, it's tough to get out of your own head, I guess.

It is. And it was hard for me because I'm a routine person. I don't like change. I don't really like taking medicines, you know, and, but if I would not have done the genetic testing and all the tests that you test for before my surgery, I would not have known all the issues I had inside my body, the mold, the plastics. You know, people don't realize other countries detox. We're the only country that do not detox. And, um, we have a lot of plastics in our system, you know, from drinking bottled water, and people don't realize that. And, and if you're having symptoms and you can't put your finger on it, then you need to do a detox program. Even if they don't have surgery with you, people need to reach out and say, hey, I would love to do your detox program, you know, I can't get to the bottom of my illness. And in talking to Millie, there's people that they're off their prescription meds now because they've done your detox program. I haven't had a migraine. I haven't had an MCAS flare-up since I did your program.

Um, I think the thing, you know, like you said, like the— you brought up MCAS and migraines. Migraine is pretty complex. I feel like MCAS has definitely become more top of mind, more people are talking about it. It's brought up a lot. And, you know, certainly since the pandemic, it's, it's been brought up more and more and more. And I have a lot more patients with concerns over it. And, and we've had a lot of success with helping. Um, I think the, the, you know, way forward, like you said, is we can't operate on, you know, as many people as need, you know, surgery. But the programming is the biggest asset to the community of women who need help.

Yes.

If they hear this, I think, you know, sharing the message that you can lower your inflammation just with the program is super important. And whether your timeframe is 2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years, whatever, you can start helping yourself and get feeling better, you know, sooner. So things like, we talk a lot about sleep hygiene, you know, getting enough rest and nutrition and proper supplementation. And, you know, testing, I think, um, I get a little frustrated, Tonya, when I hear that Patients have ran a bunch of different protocols, and I say, that's great, you know, that's great. Like, what, what were they testing? How did they do it? And I get disappointed because there's really no starting points. They just start, you know, running a protocol, but it's not based on any finding.

Yes.

And given the number of toxins that we see on tests I would be— I would put out the kind of public service announcement that before you get placed on a protocol by somebody, like, what is the protocol's beginning and endpoint? What are you doing it for? And how do you measure success?

Yes, right. Correct. I totally agree with that because I, when I saw my test and went over them with Luna, I was shocked. I really was. And I'm not as bad as some of the patients you've had, but it was shocking what I had in my system. So, and I never would have known that if I would not have done your testing, if I would not have done my research. Um, so that's, I wish more people would realize that there's more out there for them to heal their bodies. Don't just stop it. One point, just keep pushing forward. And, and I will be a prime example. Working out, changing my diet. I did an elimination diet. I just could not get the weight off. I was at 150 pounds, right? No matter what I did, the weight wasn't coming off. It wasn't the weight, it was the inflammation. If you look at my before picture, I had the round face shaped like a moon. Now I'm at 130. And I don't have all the inflammation.

Let's just pause there. So you said something that's super important that people do constantly, and that is overtrain or starve themselves.

Yes.

And there's no outcome because that's not the problem.

That's right.

And now I have people adding Ozempic or semaglutide or tirzepatide to it. And now all of those drugs will make you lose weight and give you a false sense of security that you have found the answer.

But it doesn't fix the problem.

That is not the answer, right? You will feel it's a big-ass Band-Aid is what it is.

That's right.

And it's a sneaky Band-Aid too, because you'll lose muscle mass as well as fat, and that'll make you more frail. So I caution everybody, like, those drugs work and they're nothing to be screwed with. Um, if you have diabetes, if you have high blood pressure, or some kind of health situation that you really need that medication, that can be a life-saving type, you know, medication. But in patients with implants who are suffering from inflammation, it simply to me is another agent that masks an underlying problem with chronic inflammation leading to Basically like fluid retention, if you want.

Right.

So yeah, I, I think it's, it's going to muddy the waters, you know, because everybody's like, I can microdose and do this and that. I'm like, well, I can tell you there is no literature to support microdosing because that's not a thing the FDA would run a trial on. You don't set up a drug trial and say, all right, we're going to give Tanya the real dose, we're going to have Rob the microdose. That's not a trial. That's not how you run a trial. There is no such thing as a microdose in a trial. So when you hear that stuff, that stuff is made up by somebody who's trying to manipulate something to, you know, get a response. And, um, that drug is super, super effective.

You're right. Well, I just want people to um, understand that there are people and, well, doctors like you out there that have a program that will work for them if they just give it a chance. Because yeah, do you get— after my surgery, um, talking to Violet, you know, your nurse, and you know, there's people in your clinic that have done the same program that have removed their implants, and I could relate to them. And they're gonna say, hey, when you look in the mirror that's not your final outcome. Give it a year. And I love my outcome. I do not miss my implants. And there's people out there every day, they're like, I'm going to get implants. And I'll say, no, don't do that. Get a fat transfer. You know, you can take your own fat and filter it as you— and you can explain your program because I know that you take an extra step on your fat transfers. And they can have a natural outcome if they want some enhancement, but don't do implants.

Yeah, I think our, you know, our position is always going to be the same. I want to give everybody, um, the right amount of information so they can make a decision. And, you know, for fat transfers for cancer patients is how I got experienced early And often in our careers, um, typically you wouldn't— say for instance, Tonya, if you just went into private practice right after training, like if someone did that in 2005 when I went and started doing mostly cancer reconstruction and somebody started doing just private practice, there would be no chance in hell they could ever match the number of fat transfers I did in a year because they would have no way of doing that. You couldn't advertise, manipulate, or get 150 people to do a fat transfer on in a year, where I would do those every year for over a decade because that's the number of cancer reconstructions I was doing annually, and they typically would get a fat transfer, um, to help with the, uh, the aesthetic appearance of the results. I got really experienced with doing fat transfers. So it's kind of comical when somebody says that you can't do something or you shouldn't do something or I always ask, you know, the patients, I'm like, and patients don't know this, right? You don't know that that's how it works, right? Surgery is an experience or repetition sport, basically. So much like somebody who spends all their time on the golf course practicing or on the soccer field or on the tennis courts, like this is a repetition. You get better at doing something.

As you do it, correct.

Yeah. So the folks, when they say fat transfers don't work, or, um, the other things I hear, like, you should do, uh, you should overgraft the patient— that's a no-no. Because if you just listen to what I said, I did this for cancer patients. When you overgraft a cancer patient, a couple bad things can happen. One, you can have more fat pass away or not take, but two, you can make little bumps or cysts, and that makes them feel like they have cancer again because that's what you are looking for, is like an abnormal feeling area.

Yes.

So of course it sounds completely ludicrous when I hear a surgeon say they should overgraft somebody, and I say, well, really? You sound like you have no common sense. Because if you're doing that for a cancer patient, like my sister was a cancer patient, right, and you gave them a lump or bump or cyst again, they would just think they had cancer and it would start this whole cascade of events again. So no, that's not how you approach it. Everybody can, you know, typically, uh, if they have enough fat, have a fat transfer. So preoperatively we get something called a DEXA scan that looks at your lean body I'm sorry, lean muscle mass, your bone density, and your fat. And that just helps us because we have a lot of patients who are lower BMI, which this helps, you know, clarify, like, okay, this is how much fat there is, and this is where it is. And, you know, I don't want anybody taking the GLP-1 because those all work to, to reduce fat. And people can't be, like you said, fasting or doing weird diets, because you have to have proper sleep hygiene, uh, sleep hygiene, nutrition, and supplementation in order to protect what you're trying to get, which is a result. And, um, I'm very, uh, I'll say no to people, and this pisses people off, and people will go on and write crazy stuff on me, on my profile, and all the things, which is fine. Somebody did this recently. And they're, they're pissed at me, which is fine. Um, you know, the thing is just I have no problem with telling people no. If I don't think it's a good idea, I will tell you it's not a good idea.

And on that point, as you're saying that, you and I discussed fat transfer in the beginning, and you were like, you have to— you could have said, oh yeah, let's just do it, let's just add that on right now, we'll do it. But you didn't. You looked at my testing. You, you knew I had too much inflammation and you're like, I think you need to wait. And then plus your tissue's gonna regenerate, you know, my fat tissue in there. And it did. And you did not force something on me because you knew at that time it wasn't a good idea, even though I was pushing for it because I had too much inflammation, I needed to heal and then look later on we would approach that subject again. So most doctors would've jumped in and said, oh yeah, well, let's just do it.

Yeah, I think I try to do it. And every case is obviously individualized. And some folks, you know, we get them on a program now preoperatively to lower inflammation and decrease toxic burden. And I think that's where, as much as I don't want to write another book because it's so time-consuming, having something written about fat transfer will be helpful, trying to add to the literature about toxicity and what, you know, patients like you and other patients have to face and try to give patients, you know, better information to ask questions. And then from the provider standpoint, try to grow the understanding about it because it's not taught or understood well. Uh, certainly, right. Um, we gave a big 3-part series about golf and toxicity recently, and I think, you know, that's probably where most of the work lies. You gotta continue to work on that. So I think it's, you know, an ongoing evolving discussion all the time with this and toxicity. So I really appreciate you hopping on and sharing your story. I think it's, uh, really a credit to our team first and foremost, because I have a great group that works with me.

And you have a wonderful group.

Yeah. And Tonya wants to continue running our program, which is you can use the Sharp Method really for wellness as a, a tool. And I feel like that also is another way to continue to help patients beyond the, the standard year we're working with patients.

So, well, I was so impressed with your program. It's just like y'all are my family now, and I trust your medical advice. And I know that if I have a question through your SimpLass app that's for your patients, so I can communicate with your office from the doctors to the nurses, I know that I'm going to be taken care of. I know that y'all are going to get to the bottom of this you know, the solution that I'm having an issue with, and I'm healthier for it. And I would love to continue with your office, and, and I hope that other people will, will listen to your podcast and do— if they don't, if they don't agree with everything that you say, well then do your research on it, educate yourself, right?

Yeah, the whole point is just You know, you gotta have and understand the conversation and the information. And all we're ever trying to do is create a better education for patients so they understand, you know, and can do what's best for them. Because everybody's going to be different, right?

That's right. Every case is different. Every person is different.

Yeah. And so on that note, a lot of people know I've gotten basically taken down off of YouTube and other platforms. So you have to listen to the podcast. Go to our private community, drrobscircle.com, which you can access, uh, on that URL, or you can just go to drrobertwhitfieldmd.com and access it through my main website. Now, we've put together a new website that I feel is the most comprehensive in terms of, uh, information about, um, both my FDA testimony, breast implant illness diagnosis, treatment, recovery, our methodology, um, scientific research, including my most recent paper, and we discuss other papers, and we do that on my podcast as well. So I thank everybody for listening. I thank Tanya for hopping on with me today. It was great. Of course.

Thank you.

All right.